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mafiascum Card Deck (Taking orders again! ~5 decks left!)
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We'll be basing the size of the order on the number of pre-orders, so if you can order early, please do so! I expect we'll pull the trigger on the order in a couple weeks (though given how long this has been delayed already, that should be taken with a boulder of salt).
[edit]16/10/10 - Order placed! See post 576 for details. I will be getting in touch with everyone who ordered to confirm shipping details, so that I can get them sent out as soon as possible once they arrive here.[/edit]-
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Update!
We are up to 39 pre-orders (plus however many I end up ordering for myself and to give away - thinking of donating one to the Dallas Games Marathon library, even though that's a Werewolf crowd). I'll keep taking pre-orders for another couple weeks, and then determine how many decks to order.
We will order some extra beyond the number of pre-orders; however, it would be very helpful if you would express your interest in ordering in this thread so that we can get a more accurate count, even if you are not able to pay currently. (Keep in mind though that the extra decks will go to whoever orders them first, so if you wait too long you may be out of luck unless/until we place a second order.) The price will not change after the pre-order period ends.
If you don't have a paypal account, you can still pay with a credit card through their site. Otherwise, you can make arrangements with me to send me cash or a check. Please contact me by PM if you need this option.
I'm not planning to take orders for individual/replacement cards. However, if there is a great demand for individual cards, we might be able to add some extra decks to break up for that purpose. Also, depending on the popularity we may do a second run and/or an "expansion" deck with more fringe roles (probably including some blanks and extra Vanilla Town and Mafia Goons).
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In post 51, Natirasha wrote:Is there an ETA on when these will be ready to be shipped?
We'll be placing the order in the first week of April (at least, that's the plan), and I would expect a couple weeks before I have them and then another week for getting them shipped. You should start getting decks late April or early May, depending on your location (and any delays).-
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Sorry about the delays, we are close to deciding on a printer, and I will be finalizing the rulebook this weekend if my sinuses cooperate.
When we place the order, we are expecting 2-3 weeks before they arrive here, and then another ~1 week before they get to you (US), a bit longer if you're international.
In post 76, Otolia wrote:If I want 2 decks delivered to me but I only bought one + international delivery, can I buy a new one without paying additional shipping fees ?
If you have placed an international order, you can purchase additional decks 1 at a time - the pricing for international shipping works out so that each additional deck is $20 total. You don't need to add another shipping item.-
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The rulebook is close to being finalized. Please take a look, and if you catch any errors let us know! I am planning to place the order early next week.
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In post 86, Maruchan wrote:Still open for preorder/order? I'm placing an order as soon as I get confirmation that I can give you my money for deck of cards
Yes! We'll be taking orders even after the pre-order window closes (i.e. when we place the order with the printer), it's just that at that point I will know exactly how many we have left.-
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Quick update:
diginova has been crazy busy with the upcoming Windows 10 release; he updated the rulebook yesterday and we will be placing a sample order (tonight? fingers crossed) with the POD place we are likely ordering from to make sure the quality is fine. We should be shipping by the end of the month if all goes well. (But, we've been saying that for a while so...)-
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Still waiting on digi... Last I heard from him he was very close to having the files ready, but this was two weeks ago now. I have no idea when we'll be moving forward - could be tomorrow, could be weeks.
I will be checking with everyone about shipping addresses before I actually send anything, so no worries there. We are in the process of buying a house, so my shipping address will be changing too!-
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In post 109, jeep wrote:I'm pretty sure that I preordered, but now I can't find a confirmation email... is there a way for me to tell if I have ordered?
You should be able to find the transaction through paypal. Anyway, I can confirm that you have placed an order.-
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Today's update: diginova received the sample deck. There is an issue with the sticker sheet, so he's going to try a different stock. Otherwise we're good to go, and we are tentatively planning to place the full order on Monday.
I will be contacting everyone who pre-ordered regarding address updates. More on that later this week.-
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I just pulled the paypal transaction summary. We are sitting right now at 74 decks pre-ordered, plus a handful I am reserving for gifts and possible donations (Dallas Games Marathon library, for example). If we stick with our planned order of 100 decks, that will leave us about 20 to sell after the order is placed. I may order a few more than that if we get more orders over the weekend so we have a bit more stock, we'll see.
I will be emailing everyone who has ordered to confirm shipping details. I will post again here when I start doing that (may not be til I have placed the order, will be busy with house stuff this weekend).If you have placed an order it would be helpful at this time to send me a PM with the confirmation number of your order, so that I can have your mafiascum username in my records, in case I need to get in touch quickly by PM for some reason.-
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With the production to start soon, I've added an inventory tracker to the paypal button. We are ordering 100 decks. I have pre-orders for 82, plus a few more I'm purchasing as gifts (including one for Aronis as the design challenge winner). I've set the inventory at 13 decks remaining, there might be a small amount of wiggle room there but if you want a deck you should order ASAP!
I am working on my spreadsheet today with orders and I will be filling in information that has been PMed for confirmation and address changes. I will be in touch with everyone before I actually ship, but if you need to change anything please PM me.
Once we're completely through the printing process, we will be able to evaluate whether there is interest in additional deck orders. Since this is basically a print-on-demand service, we potentially have the opportunity to order 18 card sets with different card distributions (possibly fully customizable per order, but at least for a few preset options such as a small deck of expansion roles, small decks of additional cards for those wanting more of particular roles or for those not needing the full 72 card set, etc.).-
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diginova got the sample from the new printer, and is sending the files tonight.
If you are going to need a new shipping address, you can go ahead and send it to me via PM. Please include the date, name, and address of the order so I can match them up. I will be getting in touch with everyone by email before shipping anyway, but it's better if I can get in touch with more people by PM as well.-
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diginova appears to have vanished again. I am going to make one more attempt to get in touch this afternoon. This evening, a friend of mine who is a graphic designer is coming over for game night, and I will discuss this again with him to see about getting his help with making this happen.
I am aware of a few printers from previous discussions with diginova and suggestions in this thread, but if you have any experience with getting cards printed, feel free to shoot me a PM with thoughts/advice.-
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I'm in the process of contacting printers myself; my friend who does graphic design has the files in case the printer needs any format modification, but hopefully that won't be necessary.
Again, I am very sorry this has taken so long. I was not expecting so much trouble with diginova and/or the printers he has been in touch with. I will of course refund anyone who is fed up with this, totally understandable. Please contact me by PM with "REFUND" in the title so I don't miss it.-
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Got the sample this weekend, cards look good. Still need to figure out the tuckbox and rulebook.
Do they do removable stickers? I remember diginova saying that the ones he tested (with one of our earlier printers) weren't actually as removable as he was hoping. Unless moo's has this option, I will probably be looking at doing something which can be inserted into a card sleeve (which doesn't need to be a sticker).In post 511, crywolf20084 wrote:If you're needing to order stickers, moo's custom stickers are cheap and quick. Use them for work and I like all their printing.-
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So, good news and bad news:
Bad news - we were planning on a 72 card deck. However, the printer apparently has a limitation with their 72-count tuckbox, and it actually only holds 70 cards.
Good news - the prices are such that I will likely get around this by jumping to a 90-count tuckbox and adding some extra cards to the deck, rather than cutting a couple cards. No new artwork or anything, but it'll have some extras of commonly repeated cards, blanks, and possibly some common modifier configurations (superimposing our sticker art over the cards to create a printed 1-shot Vig or Macho Cop or whatever).
Bad news - they don't offer rulebook printing. The deck will likely include a card with a URL and/or QR code linking to the rules and sample setups, as well as mafiawiki. If I can find a reasonably priced way to print the rulebooks separately though, I'll do that and pair them up before shipping (however, this would reduce the number of extra cards we could do if we want the rulebook to fit in the tuckbox).-
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What I'm looking at for the moment is adding 6 setup cards, with front and back having 2-3 setups each with no overlap between player counts. One could then shuffle them up (making sure to flip some while shuffling) and draw until finding a matching player count, if one wanted to select one at random.
Currently we have 30 setups in the rulebook, and we could break down the card faces like this (or similar):
1. Variable 6+ / 5p
2. Variable 7+ / 5p
3. Variable 7+ / 6p
4. Variable 9+ / 6p
5. 7p / 9p / 11p
6. 7p / 9p / 11p
7. 7p / 9p / 12p
8. 7p / 9p / 12p
9. 7p / 9p / 13p
10. 7p / 9p / 13p
11. 8p / 9p
12. 8p / 10p
The question is whether we can fit three setups on a single card face.
Of course, we don't have to include *all* the setups if we do it this way. Or, if we do manage to include a rulebook (I have a lead), we could still have setup cards which would just have a quick reference rather than the full setup.-
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Entirely new roles are not an option at this point - we don't have artwork for them, and even changing the card text will be difficult (we don't have the raw files from diginova, just the ready-to-print version, so matching layout and font and such exactly is basically impossible; we could get close if we absolutely had to).
The goal right now is to get these decks out. The new cards are just a bonus, and I'd like to get them in with minimal effort. Once everyone has their decks, then we can think about maybe doing a second run and offering "expansion" cards.-
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The sticker idea was to have a sheet of reusable removable stickers which could be added to cards as modifiers. So you'd add the "1x" sticker to your Cop card to turn it into a 1-shot Cop for that game (and then remove it later). The stickers diginova tested weren't all that removable, and the printer we are now using doesn't offer that option anyway.
We will still offer the "sticker" sheet online; they can be printed and inserted with the card in a sleeve to get the same effect. (Or you can just write on slips of paper and do the same thing.)
For those who haven't been following along in the other thread, we are also using some of the extra space in the box to include permanently modified versions of some roles. DGB put together some new art to go along with some unused she had already done, so almost all of these feature different art in addition to the modifier icon to make them immediately distinguishable. For example:
Cop: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B15tX ... GMwRXF0Zjg
1-shot Cop: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B15tX ... TJkZHFoSkk
Macho Cop: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B15tX ... XF0a2ZxcGM
And here's the redesigned tuckbox (a little hard to visualize without the fold/cut lines):
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All that remains to get us printer ready is the sample setup cards. My sister is looking into those this week.-
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This is definitely something I would be interested in revisting eventually, assuming everything with the printing goes well. Now that I've taken this on and have a better idea what I'm doing, I think a 2nd edition or expansion could happen much more smoothly.
Going to bug my sis again tonight, see if we can get these puppies printing this weekend.-
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I thought I had already addressed this somewhere, but can't find it. Anyway:
The overlap in player counts is deliberate. For a given number of players, it often happens that different numbers of Mafia can result in a "fair" game (though obviously with a different EV). For example, Nightless 3:9 has an EV of 50%, while 4:8 has an EV of 33.33%; both are considered reasonable, and in fact 4:8 is more common here, IIRC, and town does very well (the argument is that town does much better than random here because Mafia can't get rid of "good" Townies).
Since these are FTF setups, I also tend to allow for lower town EV range than I might otherwise be ok with - scum have a harder time FTF.
Bus Stop is definitely a bit confusing, but it was the best way to fit it on the card. The actually recommendation that will appear in the rules document will be quite a bit more complex - the setup lends itself to wide ranges of viable counts. Anyway, the idea for the setup card is that any number of Mafia is fine, as long as you have 3-7 more Townies. So if you have 13 players, anywhere from 3-5 Mafia will work (town EV is 36% for 3:10, 35% for 4:9, and 39% for 5:8), depending on what type of game you want (5:8 is much more focused on the day 1 lynch, and town would have a lot of trouble coming back if they don't win immediately).
Noted the "gamer" typo.-
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This is a good point. On the role cards, the colors are only used to highlight the alignment, which is also specified in text. We're using these colors as a shortcut for the setup cards to avoid having to spell out "Mafia" or "Town" in front of every role. Note that the rules text will have these spelled out, so you won't need to rely on the colors, but this certainly makes the setup cards less convenient for you.
I'll see if we can come up with an alternate color scheme or iconography or something for those who would have an issue with it.-
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