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well firebringer was supposed to but he isn't here rn so i had to cover for him
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i put good money on my favorite duck and he didn't pull through. i was devastated
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dunn sounds like normal dunn to me and i think he feels towny bc he put his cute avatar back on
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i was fluffier entering kemusan which you both saw so this is an interesting takeIn post 96, morph the cat wrote:
*WE* have concerns, simultaneously and independently!In post 94, morph the cat wrote: I have similar concerns about fireisredsir.
Fire seems to have taken the "Jupiter in a scum slot fluffyness" and made it a part of himself right now. And I don't like it one little itty bitty bit.
Grrrrrrr.
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In post 103, morph the cat wrote:In post 96, morph the cat wrote: And I don't like it one little itty bitty bit.Spoiler: Wherein Cabd Waxes Poetic about his theories of the evolution of multi-game lasting hydraeSpoiler:
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actiondan is interesting to me. feel safe leaning town for now i think although scum is possibleIn post 112, morph the cat wrote: What has snagged your attention so far?
pooky a little towny
dunn a little towny although his willingness to elaborate so much on reads already was quite surprising to me. i don't think it's scummy though, just surprising
y'all i think feel eager to dig into things which is probably a good enough sign for now that id rather let you do that, although i think the point on me is one that feels misapplied
if i were to put a bet on a scum rn i think id guess STD. that's based on almost nothing however id still take the pookybucks
firebagel feels likely to be readable given time so not worried there rn
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1. morph was using one data point to make a bad read ("fire being fluffy = scum copying jupiter's style in order to cover for him" is just not good in a lot of ways) and i expect better of them particularly when they have access to a second data point that would make the read not make sense and they ignored it. by "interesting" i meant bad. i thought it was scummy at first but eh maybe not. dunn has also played with me a decent amount but his read didn't bother me, maybe because it sounded more gutIn post 149, Spiffeh wrote: 1. What makes morph and Dunn's takes about your fluffiness "interesting" and how does this inform your read on them?
2. Can you go into more detail on the ActionDan read?
2. don't wanna
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i will gladly and eagerly allow wolf ydra to white knight me. ydra locktown for life
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no we didn't talk about very much aside from about melville. wait god ugh hold onIn post 220, Gypyx wrote:
ditto'dIn post 219, Lukewarm wrote:
I find marci's paranoia and handling of the hood info to be townie.In post 188, marcistar wrote: Also sunflower saying theres exactly 1 is a bit wonky but i think the "1 or 0" is farrr worse
Gold star for marci
kinda curious if there's been conversations in the hood around claiming this?
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ebwopIn post 221, Sunflower wrote:
1. morph was using one data point to make a bad read ("fire being fluffy = scum copying jupiter's style in order to cover for him" is just not good in a lot of ways) and i expect better of them particularly when they have access to a second data point that would make the read not make sense and they ignored it. by "interesting" i meant bad. i thought it was scummy at first but eh maybe not. dunn has also played with me a decent amount but his read didn't bother me, maybe because it sounded more gutIn post 149, Spiffeh wrote: 1. What makes morph and Dunn's takes about your fluffiness "interesting" and how does this inform your read on them?
2. Can you go into more detail on the ActionDan read?
2. i would prefer not to
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ok anyway yeah i don't mind the claim of the hood. imo hoods are kinda bad to keep hidden generally i think since scum already know about it. 0 scum in the hood seems pretty unlikely to me
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i think i generally am happy to answer the questions that people ask of em unless im being a bartlebypilled scrivencel
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i thought so tooIn post 230, Gypyx wrote:
i think that by flavor of this game, the hood members can probably switch aroundIn post 227, Shello and Goodbye wrote: i hope theres 0 wolves in the hood i think it would be the funniest choice
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lukewarm is lining up with my mental Picture of lukewarm i think
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i didn't really like the CSF post about oblivion at all but i think i don't agree with dan about suspecting her for the miller claim. im probably not gonna give that much weight i think
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csf scum i think has a way of zeroing in on things that look kinda surface level correct to push on and the post reminded me of that. i think when she's town i tend to agree with her takes more and the solving feels more naturalIn post 241, Shello and Goodbye wrote:
explain?In post 239, Sunflower wrote: i didn't really like the CSF post about oblivion at all but i think i don't agree with dan about suspecting her for the miller claim. im probably not gonna give that much weight i think
for the other part it's mostly that i am not mechbrained and i am starting to get the nagging worry that a lot of the solving of this game is going to go way over my head help im scared
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if anyone would like to volunteer to be our mechanical chaperone here i will locktown you and follow whatever you say
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that's so sad... but probably true idk. i have definitely been gloomy at times. i think i have also been more free-spirited at other times but usually like in dance games or micros. i don't think there's a conscious difference but i also would be surprised if there wasn't one
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that is to say im not making any effort to play in a way that is different than usual. i think the vibe of my posting especially when town tends to be reflective of my mood. as scum it's more manufactured for whatever goal i may have at the time
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i would say that something similar applies to you. here you're a lot more asserting your presence and being forthcoming than i've come to expect lately but i think there's reason to believe that you are just feeling more talkative than you have been so im choosing not to ascribe it to alignment although instinctively it made me a little wary at firstIn post 245, Shello and Goodbye wrote: do you feel like you've always acted this.. idk i don't want to say my idea of fireisredsir is 'gloomy' really but you seem like you're more free-spirited recently so im just curious if theres a difference now in how youre approaching games
i also i guess think it's something that shouldn't be discouraged game-wise since it moves things along in a positive direction and personally-wise because it's nice so i am somewhat disinclined to want to meet it with suspicion
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actually im posting extremely townily because i am town
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this made me realize we should have invited gammagoey and had a reunionIn post 273, morph the cat wrote: I'm a little more concerned about another player in this game who sports the goodfellas banner from Mafia Invictus.
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i am hesitant to make excuses for actiondan as im not sure that he's town but i think that both the read on marci and on csf make sense given the mindset that i am presuming he has, and i dont think they're especially surface level
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i think pooky would actually genuinely scumread people off page 1-2 rvs banter
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no, something beneficial to mafia happens if there are still scum in it by a certain point in timeIn post 344, Gypyx wrote: this hood gets info if there are no scums in it by a certain point in time
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i sort of think dann could be doing the thing that he's saying AD is doing but like, one level up
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why do you think this makes me more likely to be scumIn post 466, Dunnstral wrote: For Sunflower I was a little off-put about how they reacted to Morph vs how they reacted to me when there was early suspicion, and they say it was because my read was more "gut"
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people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying
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that's fair enoughIn post 483, Dunnstral wrote:
I feel you were being more wary of Morph as if you were more afraid of them and so that's why you responded more in depth to them. And you had already called me town so maybe it was harder to pivot away from that.In post 473, Sunflower wrote:
why do you think this makes me more likely to be scumIn post 466, Dunnstral wrote: For Sunflower I was a little off-put about how they reacted to Morph vs how they reacted to me when there was early suspicion, and they say it was because my read was more "gut"
i do think it's more disruptive to the thread overall if morph tunnels me incorrectly so there probably is an element of that
mostly though it was that their read made a more specific point that i thought was evidently wrong. yours was kinda vague
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that's valid and i respect thatIn post 488, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
bruh I am going to shamelessly do 0 effort this game and simply read people off my mood and how their avatar looks at meIn post 485, Sunflower wrote: people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying
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ya he's been busyIn post 494, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
is jups gonna post this game or whatIn post 492, Sunflower wrote: that's valid and i respect that
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i was referring to reads on other people as the ones that annoyed meIn post 497, Dannflor wrote:
this is especially annoying when ur scum and the meta reads are accurate imoIn post 485, Sunflower wrote: people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying
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it was absolutely pointed at me wdymIn post 518, Dunnstral wrote:
This response is perhaps too self conscious based off of what Dannflor said. It wasn't pointed at you but you feel defensive about it.In post 504, Sunflower wrote:
i was referring to reads on other people as the ones that annoyed meIn post 497, Dannflor wrote:
this is especially annoying when ur scum and the meta reads are accurate imoIn post 485, Sunflower wrote: people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying
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spiffeh and morph mostlyIn post 524, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Who are you sub tweeting here?In post 485, Sunflower wrote: people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying
i think there was a third that made it feel like a pattern but idr who
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yes that is what dann was sayingIn post 542, Dunnstral wrote:
My thoughts were that you reacted to Dannflor saying it's especially annoying when you're scum and assumed they were talking about you.In post 525, Sunflower wrote:
it was absolutely pointed at me wdymIn post 518, Dunnstral wrote:
This response is perhaps too self conscious based off of what Dannflor said. It wasn't pointed at you but you feel defensive about it.In post 504, Sunflower wrote:
i was referring to reads on other people as the ones that annoyed meIn post 497, Dannflor wrote:
this is especially annoying when ur scum and the meta reads are accurate imoIn post 485, Sunflower wrote: people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying
Thouh I can see how you could interperet it as Dannflor taking a jab at you.
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hold up something very funny is happening you all are less important than the hood
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it's slightly more complicated than what is the obvious assumption
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i wanna explain things but some people don't like that for some reason zzzzzzzzz
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AD is also the victim of being the only one not currently active so take that with a grain of salt because i am definitely biased towards whoever is talking at the moment
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ok im clarifying some timeline things, i think its just confusing to not have things more fully explained in threadIn post 735, Lukewarm wrote:
@sunflowerIn post 188, marcistar wrote: Also sunflower saying theres exactly 1 is a bit wonky but i think the "1 or 0" is farrr worse
When you said exactly 1, had you already figured out that it was a dethy?
- we got the role pm, i was like "wtf is this role". talk to jupiter about it a lil bit. game starts
- actiondan says he thinks 0 or 1 scum in hood
- i crumbed in hood (posted a meme about unreliable narrators) and in thread with 49, around the same time. i probably wouldn't have crumbed if i thought there were multiple of this role but i was just thinking about myself and thought it could be a good idea to do
- actiondan immediately afterwards very heavily was hinting that he understood the crumbs and was townreading me for it
- so i was like ok hm actiondan recognizes these. i don't think the crumbs were like super obvious on their own so i think he's signaling to me that he has the same role. kinda weird how strongly he's signaling to me but okay
- i connect the dots that there's 4 possibilities for reliability (the four options are stated in our pm), apparently at least one other hood member has the same role, and there's 5 people in the hood. i think it would make sense if there's 4 people and each of us has one of the reliabilities and we don't know which is which
- i post in hood a few minutes later that i think that 1 scum in our hood feels elegant
- this all happened within an hour of gamestart
- nobody else really reacts to any of the role related stuff which i found a little strange/surprising
- at some point i realize scum probably has to be informed somehow about the roles cause otherwise things would be too easy
- AD was the first one to explicitly mention our weird roles and implied that he thought we all had them, when explaining reasoning for 0 or 1 scum in hood
- klick asks why he thinks that we all have weird roles, std is like i have a weird role, i say scum must be somehow aware of things, jupiter says we should massclaim, AD says he assumes we all have it based on him noticing me crumbing his same role
- marci starts talking about how her role is powerful and i get suspicious of her and think she is scum who doesn't have full info so i want her to claim first
- i propose claim order with marci klick std AD us
- we kinda skip that part and people start talking more explicitly about like, hey i think i know what's going on here. klick and std and i all talk about the theory of each of us being the 4 options of reliability. marci is catching on. std is the first to explicitly mention dethy, klick agrees that's what's happening, me and marci are like "idk how dethy works or what that is". it gets explained
- for the record i have vaguely heard of dethy and looked it up once bc hellbooks kept memeing about it in a coalition game but i did not remember how it worked and didn't realize that was necessarily what was going on until std pointed it out
- after that point we're talking pretty openly. i think that the way std's thought process visibly developed in the hood looks really towny and is very well-faked if mafia. i think looking back at it again now, marci's is also pretty towny. AD i am like a little wary that his signaling to me/townreading to me was strange given his apparent mindset that scum would also be informed. klick and AD are the most suspicious to me, probably klick more at this point
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i already am basically caught up but gonna skim through to see if there's any more explicit questions and then update reads
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cause y'all have gone through 49 pages in less than 24 hours and he's been busy for almost all of that time so idk if he's even looked at main thread
ive kept him caught up on the role stuff but not much else
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klick has just felt kinda positional play in response to all of this and is just not approaching things in the way i tend to expect him to solve. i think he tends to feel really pretty measured and reasonable and confident in his ability to read people and here he feels put on the back foot and the reads don't feel like they're coming naturally
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yeah, a lot more experience with town!klick thoughIn post 1222, morph the cat wrote:
Have you played with scum-Klick before?In post 1221, Sunflower wrote: klick has just felt kinda positional play in response to all of this and is just not approaching things in the way i tend to expect him to solve. i think he tends to feel really pretty measured and reasonable and confident in his ability to read people and here he feels put on the back foot and the reads don't feel like they're coming naturally
i did also see that he won a scumgame that ended quite recently where he was intending to level up his scumplay, but i haven't read it closely yet, just a skim
i think that under normal circumstances i would have him in a "wait and see" position in my reads
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not really i think. marci's mindset generally tracks with outside the thread, and STD shows what feels like a towny one to meIn post 1223, Brian Skies wrote: Is there anything noteworthy in the neighborhood that doesn't have to do with neighborhood mechanics or roles?
marci put me and klick and herself in the mean girls car which made me laugh. pretty noteworthy
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as for main thread, crab and oblivion probably the biggest winners from this for me. both feel solidly town
dunnstral also i think felt pretty towny to me in his reactions to all this
pooky feels pretty on his own and i think the frustration over wasting thread space feels towny. a lot of the stuff with oblivion i think is pretty nai although i think sitting down and trying to sort things out was pro-town
spiffeh i think has been scummy
morph im not really at all sold on but if they're right on spiffeh then they're probably town i guess idk
luke i don't think has been exceptionally towny but i think it feels like he is trying to figure things out and approaching with curiosity rather than wanting to control things and that's enough for a townlean
firebringer posts have made very little effect on me and im not sure what that means for his alignment
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