But I do find it very strange that Pooky would not claim a reflexive loverizer
While lurking out last day phase, while simultaneously admonishing maid for not playing strictly to win condition.
In post 3874, MariaR wrote:
Drew/Light/Lap ends the game, right? Time to relax.
It does?
Don't you think the ordering here by MariaR is weird? She does Drew first, then Light, then Lap, but what prompted that order? If it were alphabetical it would be Drew, then Lap, then Light. If it were based on length of the name it would be Lap, then Drew, then Light; though these are shortened names so perhaps that is arbitrary anyway. If it were based on who she finds the most likely it should be Light first and then probably Drew and then Lap last. If it was based on the order names appear in the player list it would be Lap, then Drew, and then finally Light. But no, we got Drew first, Light second, Lap third. It's so random.
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Post #4191 (isolation #211) » Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:43 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 4094, Cabd wrote:
Essentially, this means I want everyone to name the three players they want to eliminate outside of the lovers and myself, in order of most to least.
Doctor Drew, Laplacian, Ircher
I don't think it is MariaR, lemon.tangerine, or HolySpiritTurtle
I don't really think it is Bell or Pooky either, honestly. Or you.
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Post #4193 (isolation #213) » Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:46 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 4145, Cabd wrote:
Things that absolutely bug the shit out of me about Laplacian right now:
A: We have no actual proof there were three targets, we only KNOW of one, which was claimed to be hu tao. (Titus saw him on Bell)
B: If the parity cop is real, they chose two easily flipped townies, and Hu Tao, with a parity-town "clear" that sets Hu Tao up to endgame as "cleared town." Possible luck but weeeeeeeird.
C: They're demoralized as shit, which is kind of where I expect the final maf to be headspace wise.
D: Town already had several other investigative flipped (or claimed, me) (A hider that can basically never die)
E: If the parity cop is real, why wasn't it novice or otherwise gated? A N1 parity cop is fucking HUGE.
My own role was made Novice. I noticed bell claimed their role was made Novice too. It does bug me that triple parity cop was not a novice role.
With that said, if MariaR is a compulsive lightning rod maker that makes their role easier to believe as it would always fail night 1 anyways. Though we did have Bell's role which could have stopped that, or the elimination.
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Post #4194 (isolation #214) » Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:51 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
Forensic Investigator is a pretty powerful role if we give Doctor Drew several nights to set up.
We would wait for mafia to make another night kill... then wait for Doctor Drew to target that player the next night... and then decide if we want to believe them
In post 4189, Laplacian wrote:
Yes and no. We chose a pool of abilities, then alignments rolled, then abilities picked from our pools. So while I wouldn't call 3Pesque abilities definitive proof, it's still some evidence
Wait, I thought you could choose your specific abilities
The mod chose from our submitted lists and then made adjustments when necessary. We did not get every role we asked for. Balance and all that.
In post 4187, Laplacian wrote:
Actually, Pooky's activated BP + reflexive loverizer also has big 3p energy
I disagree with that. What 3p wants to become a lover with someone else and die?
Again though, roles were chosen before alignment
But the mod is still trying to keep things fair and balanced, and a 3p having that ability which is out of their control doesn't really seem fair to me.
Also isn't the optimal play for like, us to vote out Lap Drew checks Fire or Joy (prob Fire given how popular Joy was)
Vote out lovers carry on?
If Doctor Drew waits a night they can find the current mafia making kills. otherwise it could be one of the already dead mafia who targeted those players.
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Post #4263 (isolation #221) » Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:46 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 4211, Cabd wrote:
What is the optimal MAFIA usage of a parity cop? Hint: Pick two murky towns and one scum and then when that scum flips you have a guaranteed mislim, OR when one of those towns dies anyways, well, now you have your murk-scum "cleared as town".
First usage here doesn't make sense to me, as it is trading 1 town for 1 mafia which is not a good play.
In post 4266, Dunnstral wrote:
If we wait an extra night we know the kill has to come from the currently alive mafia. Or they will need to block or kill Drew if he is town.
Are you still in contact with Pooky?
What if anything has he noted in relation to the new posts that have hit the thread?
I'm in contact with Bell. Who sometimes sends stuff over from Pooky. Pooky wanted it known that they suspect Ircher some more.
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Post #4280 (isolation #225) » Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:09 am
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 4272, Cabd wrote:
And Bell? What exactly does sir bell have to say?
They don't think it's you, MariaR, Lemon, HST. And are wondering if we have enough eliminations with those as town. They are less suspicious of Drew and are surprised by your read of Laplacian. They mentioned we should look at drew and Ircher before mentioning their fading suspicion.
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Post #4308 (isolation #228) » Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:58 am
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 4291, Laplacian wrote:
As a reminder, (because I totally forgot it too) no one died last night. I roleblocked Drew. This could be a galaxy brained mafia play, could be that one of pooky and bell are scum in their little shadow realm. But uhhh, yeah
Not exactly galaxy brained. Mafia wouldn't want to clear both Bell and Pooky by killing somebody, so very believable that they simply no kill for a night.
If it wasn't ircher that has the weirdness about stuff going through it was the recipient.
Which is laplacian. I am pretty sure.
Right now though I need to be talked down from worrying about HST and Dunn.
Well I pushed Relativistic Harmony, and while I was waffling between HST and the 2 mafia I did say I would eliminate both Hu Tao and Light.Ganski if HST flipped town. And I ended up flipping to Hu Tao when new information from Sakura came out.
HST is town because of interactions with other mafia. I don't think Hu Tao would have claimed like that if they knew HST's role and that they claimed to Sakura.
In post 4492, Cabd wrote:
I mean, if somebody not me or you is capable of the tripple-fakeout deepwolf, it's HST?
does he even like doing those weird gambits? I thought he was a straight shooter, I guess I havent really played with him that much but like the way that d2 went down with the fake cop into the reflector thingy did not feel planned.
tho I guess he could be a fucking criminal mastermind but I just feel like nah?
maybe he's in my blind spot because he has a cute anime avatar and I can never scumread those
I wouldn't really expect HST to be bussing their whole team here. They were clearly leaning towards light.ganski even without the guilty result.
I don’t think they’re scum this game because of the neighborhood shenanigans, their utilization of Titus, their clear interest and proactivity etc etc.
Would be super surprised if cabd scum.
I’m near certain he’ll die before end game if we don’t hit scum before then.
They are pretty much confirmed not scum due to Laplacian's claim. Cabd would have been the target of the elimination. Unless mafia had a way to ignore the bus driver.
wasnt the plan to make him inspect the latest murder victim so he could get a positive ID on the killer
Uhh, one scum left......and Joyboy was the latest murder victim at that point.
I literally was yelled at yesterday about why I hadn't used the forensics yet
Well I told you multiple times that you would only get a guilty if you waited for the latest kill, otherwise one of the existing mafia could have made that kill.
Titus was a labor activist from the United States, a
JOAT Union Member
Spoiler: Titus's Role PM
Hu Tao would have had to have used the day ability cop on Joyboy for this result. They couldn't have killed Joyboy. Last mafia is either MariaR or Laplacian.
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Post #4570 (isolation #237) » Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:21 am
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 4564, Bell wrote:
This point feels mute with Drew’s result.
Either Drew is scum or its cabd, Maria, or laplace.
It's not Cabd because Laplacian is claiming to have bus drove lemon and Cabd, and lemon died. So Cabd would have been targeted with the kill this night.
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Post #4571 (isolation #238) » Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:22 am
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 4559, Bell wrote:
Yeah, so, it does indeed have to be one of those three unless..
Uh no I can’t think of anything since pretty sure ninja would still show up. Yeah?
That's not clear to me, actually... it could function either way
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Post #4633 (isolation #239) » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:59 am
Postby Dunnstral »
Last mafia is Laplacian by the way. Dr. Drew would be arguing himself into a corner with that list of players as I believe we had enough eliminations remaining for Maria, Dr. Drew, and Laplacian.
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Post #4639 (isolation #240) » Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:02 am
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 4624, MariaR wrote:
The way we would joint win is if exe the mafia at the time I have everyone else marked by the way but that's the only way. If that sounds too much of a hassle you can exe me.
Alternatively MariaR is the last mafia and is trying to endgame us with this
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Post #4646 (isolation #242) » Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:09 am
Postby Dunnstral »
From Lemon's role:
1-shot Even Night Snoopy Coworker. On the even night of your choice, you can target a player to learn what non-factional ability types they have and whether the abilities have been used.
From Hu Tao's role:
Your abilities are:
1-shot Day Ability cop - Once during a game day you can investigate another player and learn what kinds of JOAT abilities they have
1-shot Vengeful - If you are eliminated, during twilight you can choose a player to kill on your way out
Your factional abilities are:
[REDACTED]
I'm pretty sure MariaR is lying. Their factional ability would itself be a factional ability and Lemon wouldn't be able to see it. This means MariaR has another ability she is not claiming.
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Post #4653 (isolation #243) » Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:16 am
Postby Dunnstral »
Well I don't really mind if we want to try to win with MariaR. Or if we don't. There's no reason too and she might be screwing us over. If we do decide to do it I'd prefer if we planned things out. If she can get everyone paired before final 3/4 with one of drew/laplacian already dead that would be ideal.
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Post #4843 (isolation #245) » Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:52 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 4802, Sakura Hana wrote:
Funny thought i had after i died?
If bell had been blown up by the vest, after we elimmed Hu tao, that's 2 deaths, Hu Tao wouldnt have been able to fire either. Either that or Bell survives i guess.
Well I pondered the same thing and the mod said that the vest would resolve in twilight. So presumably it would all work
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Post #4844 (isolation #246) » Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:36 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
The reason I didn't put much emphasis on the "hard mechanical cc" between MariaR and Ircher is that I've been burned from assuming things like this before, and often what people assume is a cc is that both players are just town and something else happened. In this game MariaR was super open with their claim and so was Ircher, neither was in response to pressure and both could have kept quiet. For that reason it felt like something else had happened.