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Hi fam, great news!
I rolled town this game so I don’t have to live these next few weeks in a constant state of debilitating anxiety! Don’t we love that for me?Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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This is a strange thing to announce to the thread, why wouldn't you just make the comparison and report your findings rather than give your meta target warning that you're going to meta them?In post 116, RH9 wrote: i'm going to reread holiday dance party and check for similarities/differences between lld there and lld here.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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In post 284, Bell wrote: I didn’t realize spiffeh joined the game, that absolute sucker.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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fferylit, Bell Town
Gypyx, Firebringer probably Town
(But I do this thing with Firebringer where I townread him early based off a couple posts and then fail to reevaluate so I'm not gonna do that this time)
RH9's entrance was pretty bad imo but then he had one post that was fine so who knows? I also like that ffery had this exact same thought process and it makes me feel good about myself (and her).
scum!Cabd knows that he has to come into this thread talking a big game about pairing up with/reading ffery so nothing alignment indicative for him so far. I am happy for them to pair up so they can hold each other accountable and maybe I don't have to try to read Cabd because ffery will catch him first if he's bad.
I want someone to pair up with LLD who will not be easily manipulated by her if she happens to be scum and will be willing to leave the dance if she hasn't caught at least two scum by the final phase. I get that these are high standards and open for reevaluation as the game progresses but I can just see scum!LLD being able to dominate this setup if a few key players are removed and with Cabd/fferylit likely pairing up I'm already paranoid of that. For the record, I currently have a town lean on her.
I don't particularly like fireisredsir's posts and would probably be voting there if this were a standard game but I don't have words for this read rn
I am excited to be playing with you all again/for the first time!Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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So I am easily manipulated by scum LLD but I think my constant paranoia and fear of her scum game would outweigh anything she could do to me so I am willing to pair with her. I selfishly kind of don't want to because I don't want to be in a position where I end up taking us both out as town due to said paranoia and ruin the game for everyone. But I am good with pairing with her if people think it could be optimal, and she accepts of course.In post 383, fferyllt wrote: Spiffeh that is a surprising amount of sync. Reminds me of WH13.
At this table who among the gents do you think aren't easily manipulable by a hypothetical scum LLD?
Take all of this with a grain of salt as I have never played this setup before and I'm trash at mechanic-talk, AND I want to ensure everyone's posted and weighed in before making decisions like these, but these are the pairings I've been thinking up in my head:
fferylit/Cabd
Spiffeh/LLD
Ydrasse/someone scummy
Bell/anyone
Assuming all of us were town (statistically unlikely), scum would have some pretty powerhouse pairs to decide on killing and it would ensure at least some people I work well with/trust would be in the game by the last two phases which is what I care about.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Also I only answered myself earlier so some other people I'd be cool with pairing with LLD are Firebringer and Bell, maybe Enchant?In post 383, fferyllt wrote:At this table who among the gents do you think aren't easily manipulable by a hypothetical scum LLD?Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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I won't be around much the next 24 hours (unless I'm phone posting tonight) so I decided to reread and have honored my promise of reevaluating Firebringer in that he is no longer a townread.
I feel like his scum reads on ffery and Bell may just be for shock value to play into his chaotic town gameplay because it's hard for me to believe that he actually feels that way as they are transparently town to me. And while I don't want to discourage his effort-posting I think he's dipping his toe into exiting troll mode little earlier than I've come to expect from town!FB, but I also haven't been playing games the past two years so what do I know?!
I am side-eyeing a lot of Cabd posts but that's not really unusual, and I am waiting for a certain shoe to drop that may or may not make me feel some type of way about him (it's not that important and I've already devoted more words than necessary to say that Cabd is pretty null)
Upon reread, feeling decent about STD, still not thrilled with the other fire (maybe both Fires are scum!)
I also have a non-LLD dance partner in mind so stay tuned!Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Yeah, you’ll catch up eventuallyIn post 501, Bell wrote: Ff is transparently town?Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Can someone explain their fferylit scum read? I’m seeing it so much but still not getting it, what am I missing?Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Bell if you had to pick one of the remaining gentleman to leave out of the dance this phase who would it be and why?
Currently catching up on the past twenty-ish pages. I was thinking of asking Gypyx to dance because I'm p. sure she's town and I'm also not particularly concerned with her pulling the wool over my eyes in the long run in the event she is scum, I'll see if this is still a good idea when I've caught up.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Ffery, which of the remaining gentleman would you want to leave out of the dance and why?Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Still catching up but isn't it always suboptimal for a town player to leave before intermission UNLESS they are actively scum reading their dance partner?
Cabd/ffery's plan to leave before Intermission while vocally townreading one another is just...unnecessary
These games are literally lost by Town hastily leaving the dance prematurely so can we stop lining that shit up less than 48 hours into the game? LolQ•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Who are the scum you feel are positioning around her?In post 1004, RCEnigma wrote: I don’t really have a read on ffer either way but I do feel like scum are positioning around the slot in particular in some way.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Does Cabd's vocalized plan to exit the dance before Intermission change this at all? It's a little disappointing to me that you read the entire game and the main thing you choose to have an opinion on is a player's alignment that is likely going to resolve itself (against my will).In post 1038, SirCakez wrote: Yes I want to mega yeet ffery very much still if that wasn't obvious lolQ•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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My fferylit townread hasn't really changed but I will concede that I've never seen her as scum and can at least understand more where people are coming from thanks to skitter's and FB's explanations. However, ffery is someone who's town game I respect a lot and feel we work well together so especially now that Cabd/ffery seem intent to just self-resolve before Intermission anyway I'd prefer if her energy was spent scum hunting rather than having to defend herself (which I think is the direction she is going now)In post 1064, LavarManos wrote:
I was thinking that your last post asking about the ff scumreads seemed sorta random and wk-likeIn post 1059, Spiffeh wrote: Currently catching up on the past twenty-ish pages
with this as context, ig its fine but im curious if ur ff read will change (also not seeing why u read her as town currently?)Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Firebringer has truly run the gamut for me this game and is back to a pretty solid town read, mostly because of his interaction with LLD. I also felt his explanation for his ffery scum read without being asked feels like a townie who thinks he's right and trying to get people to see his perspective. I would expect scum!FB to lean more into his trolly, unhelpful nature as it takes a lot less effort to fake that, but his transition into really fighting to have ffery on everyone's radar was comforting to me.
Cabd's post accepting ffery's dance proposal is probably his towniest its and at this point I don't think scum!Cabd would so confidently vocalize his plan to leave before Intermission if he was just going to back out of it later.
SirCakez's posts were not great but I also think Cakez would try harder to seem town if he were scum? He definitely needs to contribute more substantially at the caliber in which is he is capable because a ffery scum read and a couple of maybe town reads aren't cutting it.
Catching up I was between inviting Gypyx and skitter to be my dance partner, but feel I could be more valuable at sorting Gypyx in a hood than I would skitter. Skitter is probably more capable of meeting my expectations as scum, and while I have only played one game with scum!Gypyx over two years ago, I have some level of confidence that I can sort her in a one on one setting (even though I hate neighborhoods).
Gypyx, may I have this dance?Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Of the gentlemen I think I want RCEnigma or LavarManos left out of the dance. The problem is, that seems too easy...Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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To be fair, he’s really just PoE, nothing stood out to me too much about him.In post 1140, fferyllt wrote:
I kinda liked LavarManos's iso, though it's sparse and there's a lot of stuff he hasn't really interacted with so far.In post 1137, Spiffeh wrote: Of the gentlemen I think I want RCEnigma or LavarManos left out of the dance. The problem is, that seems too easy...
I do find RCEnigma to be talking “around” people to seem present and I really hate the post where he calls you null but says that scum are posturing around your wagon without naming names.
P.S. I’m joining the ranks of the high tonight but I’ll probably fall asleep before 9 PM ET so I hope there will still be people around to high-post with later on!!!Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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I have to say I’m pretty underwhelmed with my current solve of RCEnigma/SirCakez/Fireisredsir/someone else so I probably need to stop writing people off so early!Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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@ffery I will go find your post to RCE from last night when I’m back at my computer
@LLD I think the pair I’d most lobby for would be Ydrasse/STD because I think that would be a town/town pair that may not draw a nightkill despite having the IC in it. I would say you/FB or ffery/Cabd but am pretty sure I would want both of those pairs removed before endgame due to paranoia.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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I’m honestly also fine with Ydrasse pairing with someone like Enchant because if scum wants to shoot the IC it forces them to remove Enchant who I am finding difficult to readQ•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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What specifically are you underwhelmed by? Who do you think I should be scum reading?In post 1188, fireisredsir wrote:
i am also extremely underwhelmedIn post 1147, Spiffeh wrote: I have to say I’m pretty underwhelmed with my current solve of RCEnigma/SirCakez/Fireisredsir/someone else so I probably need to stop writing people off so early!Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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I'm here I'm high and I'm HUNTING SCUM (also much less filtered!)Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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I feel a little worse about skitter after her most recent posts fsrQ•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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I'm hoping your contributions aren't relegated to just before the intermission, I don't think you being the IC should stifle how you wanted to play the game and I'd much prefer to have your opinion to work with throughout.In post 1201, Ydrasse wrote: people can take who they want from pairings
i am of the opinion the most optimal way to play atm is for me to do ... like next to no input until it's necessary from me especially as we get closer to intermission
which is kind of lame because i WAS looking forward to playing/posting more but i think if i did so now i'd make it a bit harder, especially when people are independently figuring out what they wanna do without the Town Opinion of mine warping what mafia think is best
so go ahead if you want a specific partner, take that partnerQ•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Yeah I just ISO'd LavarManos and there was nothing in it that makes me not ok with that slot dying this phase. I'm good as long as STD and RH7 aren't left behind.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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HST is someone I am tonally reading as town but could low-key be scum and someone I'm overlookingQ•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Can you explain specifically what you liked in his ISO?Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Which of the ladies are you scumreading currently?In post 1200, fireisredsir wrote: right now my general read on this game is that there's a lot of gents who i think are likely to be relatively easy miselims (sorry) who i am currently reading as various strengths of leanings of town
im probably wrong on one, maybe two, but it feels to me like a game where there's 3 scum ladiesQ•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Good to see you too, it's always fun playing with you Firebringer!
Except when you suspect me so please continue to accurately townread me, ok?Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Wow Not Spiffeh really needs to step it upQ•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Cabd when you are being srs I would like you to advise which of the remaining gentlemen you would like to leave behind and why.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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I think any of RCEnigma, LavarManos, and Enchant have a chance at flipping scum, but I'm also not super confident in any of them.In post 1245, Firebringer wrote:
do u think any of them contain scumIn post 1244, Spiffeh wrote: Cabd when you are being srs I would like you to advise which of the remaining gentlemen you would like to leave behind and why.
I think this will be more of a "find and follow strong town reads, POE the rest" game than a "find scum" game for meQ•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Why are you town reading HST?In post 1258, Cabd wrote: If I had to yolo call it I'd make the final two endgame pairs HST-Bell and Spiffeh-Gypyx and be pretty self-assured we won.
I bet this statement is going to make Spay spit out her liquor.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Has anyone experienced scum!Gypyx recently that can weigh in on how they feel about her here? She has exceeded my expectations so far but it's not a townread I'm married to.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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It's already past my bedtime so I don't how much longer I'll be active here just an fyi!Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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I can typically hold my own as scum, I would just be VERY intimidated and self-conscious had I rolled scum in this playerlist specifically.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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No I promise I would have HATED to roll scum here
Kinda like how Cakez hates that he rolled scum hereQ•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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I'll do the people I know
I would hate rolling scum
Cakez would hate rolling scum
Gypyx would hate rolling scum
ffery would dislike rolling scum
Bell would dislike rolling scum
skitter would be fine with rolling scum
STD would be fine with rolling scum
Cabd would be fine with rolling scum
Ydrasse would like rolling scum
FB would like rolling scum
LLD would LOVE rolling scumQ•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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I don't know, I was wondering when/why you stopped town reading me...Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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I'm still fairly certain you're town and that's never really changed, I was just curious as to the reasons people were scum reading you as I was worried I was missing something.
Actually, I thought your response to Bell in 1311 felt very genuine, and don't think as scum you would start accusing me when I am one of the few actively calling you town right now (even though you seem to be interpreting it differently)
So if anything I'm actually more confident that you are town at this juncture.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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I understand that your reads list is probably rightfully not really considering this, but how do you reconcile having Cabd and FB so low when they've both vocally and confidently claimed they will be leaving the dance at some point before endgame? This is something I'd really only expect from town as scum can easily be held accountable for statements like these. Is this something that's reflected in your read on them, or does this not really matter to you?In post 1353, fireisredsir wrote:
not nearly enough data but slightly lean scummy:In post 1341, skitter30 wrote: I am actually v interested in ur reads
[LLD, cabd, gypyx, rce]
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i don't think i would necessarily say that firebringer is my strongest scumread but that may be because im not sure that i have a solid scumread anywhere. previously it was spiffeh for a while but now im less sure on thatQ•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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My fferylit townread is something I've explained a couple times, albeit nothing super substantial until recently in my post 1318 (sorry idk how to link posts anymore).In post 1398, LavarManos wrote: -mindmelding with fire on his spiffeh scumread. idt I caught on to why exactly fire has that read
fmpov tho, spiffeh had a very analytical opening that I liked, but he's fallen off a lot since in terms of depth of analysis. Also, idt he ever explained why he townreads ff, which looks really bad if ff were to flip town
What about my interaction with the fferylit suspicion specifically makes you think that I "look bad" if she flips town? This feels a little like you're trying to line me up to take the fall in the event that she flips town upon leaving the dance, which feels a little bad given you've mischaracterized how I've handled that read. Would I look bad if someone like STD flipped town? That is actually a town read I haven't really substantiated yet, so I'm a little confused as to why you're assigning badness to me wrt ffery's town flip and not the potential town flips of the slots that actually fit your stated criteria?
I don't particularly hate too much of LavarManos' content other than the above, but there's also nothing in there that makes me desperately need to save that slot from being left behind this phase.
I would also be interested in hearing Ydrasse's thoughts on her final four (?) potential pairings and which she most wants to be left behind.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Kinda bummed that Cabd keeps touting this hero-solve before intermission but has yet to really weigh in on who should be left behind this phase when I'd think that would something he'd want some input in and would lay a good foundation for said hero-solve?
Unless I missed a post from him or somethingQ•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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I don't have much of a read on Enchant but I will say that of everyone his entrance seemed the most desperate to lock in a pairing early, which is kind of how I expected scum to approach this game. I haven't really sensed any desperation from him recently though, and I'd expect scum to become more and more anxious to pair as the options start being limited.
I also kind of agree with whoever said that RCE not really trying to lock in a pair for himself doesn't quite align with him being scum.
I'm wondering if this is just something I just shouldn't take into consideration because I don't feel like thinking too hard about itQ•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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If I were scum I would never actually exit the dance. I may talk a big game about it to look town, but I wouldn't ever actually leave because a one for one trade as scum (assuming I'm not in a dual-scum pair in your hypothetical) is never worth it from what I can tell.In post 1415, RCEnigma wrote:
Not to step in for fire but.In post 1409, Spiffeh wrote: I understand that your reads list is probably rightfully not really considering this, but how do you reconcile having Cabd and FB so low when they've both vocally and confidently claimed they will be leaving the dance at some point before endgame? This is something I'd really only expect from town as scum can easily be held accountable for statements like these. Is this something that's reflected in your read on them, or does this not really matter to you?
I think you’re ignoring that slots like Cabd,FB,LLD, don’t have a high probability end game route as either alignment. If we can agree on that, an extra phase is a lot more valuable to any of those slots as scum than as town.
Just as a general hypothetical, if you were scum that knew you were exiting what would your play be?Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Nope, not to the level of calling us both locktown and calling for us to last until endgame so early.In post 1418, skitter30 wrote:
Do u think cabd should be townreading you and gypyx so strongly?In post 1411, Spiffeh wrote: Kinda bummed that Cabd keeps touting this hero-solve before intermission but has yet to really weigh in on who should be left behind this phase when I'd think that would something he'd want some input in and would lay a good foundation for said hero-solve?
Unless I missed a post from him or something
However, I can see town!Cabd strongly townreading both myself and Gypyx INITIALLY based on what we have presented to the thread so far. Gypyx specifically is like night and day from her scum game in Tenet, where scum buddies Cabd and LLD and sometimes the rest of us had to coach her through many of her posts to avoid getting her eliminated and clearing half of the game (lol Tenet game mechanics).
But that was over two years ago and I think Cabd should be able to recognize that people can improve meta changes.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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This is valid and I should probably treat it as NAI tbhIn post 1440, fireisredsir wrote:
in my experience, scum will claim this all the time in dance games because they know that people expect only town will do this. i think generally in dances there ends up being too many people who say this sort of thing (some of them being town) for it to be reasonably held accountable. especially when there's what you might call "power pairings", it's almost a given that people will make that sort of threat, town or scum. it doesn't really affect my read on themIn post 1409, Spiffeh wrote: I understand that your reads list is probably rightfully not really considering this, but how do you reconcile having Cabd and FB so low when they've both vocally and confidently claimed they will be leaving the dance at some point before endgame? This is something I'd really only expect from town as scum can easily be held accountable for statements like these. Is this something that's reflected in your read on them, or does this not really matter to you?Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Gypyx's carefree posting here contradicts how I expect her to behave as scum in this playerlist based entirely on my one time playing with her as her scumbuddy in Tenet. Yes I recognize it's a very low sample size, but in Tenet my recollection is that she was scared to even post as scum and needed someone from our team (Cabd, LLD, etc.) to review and edit her posts. Her initial posts in this game struck me as town because they seemed genuine and worry-free, which isn't something I've seen from her before.In post 1443, skitter30 wrote: For me the spiffeh thing has less to do with how i think he'd behave as scum, and more to do with some of his recent posting, namely:
- kinda don't understand his gypyx trajectory, or how he became that confident in town-her
- cabd declaring them a high confidence tvt pair made me go ... huh?
- ffery townread almost feels white-knight-y
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I'd also expect her to try to get on Cabd's good side ASAP, not scum read him from jump (unless she and Cabd were scum together, I guess) and risk drawing Cabd's focus immediately, someone who has had an intimate look at her scum game previously.
I have a couple of other comments regarding Gypyx, but I'm not looking to reveal these at this point.
As for ffery, she's just hit all the notes I expect her to hit as town. I feel we've shared a lot of similar reads/noticed the same things and given she is someone I work well with, that was encouraging to me. I don't think she has much reason to begin vocally suspecting me as scum when I am one of the few actively town reading her.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Cabd is always overdramatic and I feel his declaration that our pair should be locktown for the rest of the game is NAI.In post 1523, skitter30 wrote:
Ok so:In post 1518, Spiffeh wrote:
Nope, not to the level of calling us both locktown and calling for us to last until endgame so early.In post 1418, skitter30 wrote:
Do u think cabd should be townreading you and gypyx so strongly?In post 1411, Spiffeh wrote: Kinda bummed that Cabd keeps touting this hero-solve before intermission but has yet to really weigh in on who should be left behind this phase when I'd think that would something he'd want some input in and would lay a good foundation for said hero-solve?
Unless I missed a post from him or something
However, I can see town!Cabd strongly townreading both myself and Gypyx INITIALLY based on what we have presented to the thread so far. Gypyx specifically is like night and day from her scum game in Tenet, where scum buddies Cabd and LLD and sometimes the rest of us had to coach her through many of her posts to avoid getting her eliminated and clearing half of the game (lol Tenet game mechanics).
But that was over two years ago and I think Cabd should be able to recognize that people can improve meta changes.
* given that cabd is townreading her so strongly, what does that say to you abt his alignment
* why are *you* townreading her ao strongly
I also think you are overestimating how strongly I'm townreading Gypyx. I have indeed provided my reasons for town reading her overall, but the fact that she's been AWOL ever since I stated my intention to dance with her is not lost on me. That's what our neighborhood is for.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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This reminds me. Can people explain why they are town reading HST?In post 1541, HolySpiritTurtle wrote: Was anyone not townreading Spiffeh or something
While the quoted post truly sets her apart as a prestigious mafia player, I am not yet seeing why she's so universally townread.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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No specific reason, just no reason to write her off as town like a lot people seem to be doing.In post 1550, SirCakez wrote:
I feel like her posts are pretty transparently town tonally, motivationally, everything. What reason do you have to not think she is town?In post 1547, Spiffeh wrote:
This reminds me. Can people explain why they are town reading HST?In post 1541, HolySpiritTurtle wrote: Was anyone not townreading Spiffeh or something
While the quoted post truly sets her apart as a prestigious mafia player, I am not yet seeing why she's so universally townread.
I think many players thought her asking Bell the role PM confirmation question made her town and I don't find that alignment indicative in the slightest.
Cakez, do you have any scum reads other than ffery at the moment? If so, can you elaborate on those a little bit (or point me to where you've already done so?)
P.S. I'm going to be catching up on my phone for the next hour or so but will be back later this evening for some more ~high~ posting to honor what we've built here.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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Can you tell me what you like about skitter?In post 1482, fferyllt wrote: Despite my paranoia reads list (which you don't get to see atm), I like some recent Skitter posts.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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I agree with thisIn post 1596, fireisredsir wrote:
this feels very weirdly uncharitableIn post 1561, LavarManos wrote:
I get the feel that ur backtracking from an enchant townread that you never rlly declared in the first placeIn post 1404, fireisredsir wrote:
ok i had in my brain that there were things that i felt were towny from enchant but i reread iso and there's basically nothing actuallyIn post 1400, LavarManos wrote: how do u feel about enchant this game?
807 and 808 are like a tiny bit towny coming from enchant imo but thats like it
so idk actually i think id most prefer to leave enchant out right now. they were way townier in new years dance (and did actually end up getting paired at the end): viewtopic.php?t=90239&user_select%5B%5D=35064
And ur post sorta feels all over the place with u first saying there's basically nothing towny from enchant, then quoting two minimally AI posts as towny, and then finally saying that you prefer enchant to actually be the one left out
i have expressed that there were things i found towny from enchant (1200, 1353), but even if i hadn't, why is it scummy to show a progression from a read that hadn't been previously stated?
and "all over the place" is a nothing statement when it's like very clear that i am pointing out that the only things i see as towny from enchant add up to very little and so therefore there's no reason to townread them. the three things you are framing as different are all along the same line of thoughtQ•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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In post 794, LavarManos wrote: fwiw fire, i feel p good about u rn and bad about ff. 765 pings of possible TMI
I'm also curious
Cabd, how much of u accepting ff's proposal is u actually townreading her compared to linking up w/ an old buddy in the hopes that she's also town and that yall could have fun solving together
LavarManos, can you explain if your read on fferylit changed between these two posts and if so what made you change your mind?In post 1064, LavarManos wrote:
I was thinking that your last post asking about the ff scumreads seemed sorta random and wk-likeIn post 1059, Spiffeh wrote: Currently catching up on the past twenty-ish pages
with this as context, ig its fine but im curious if ur ff read will change (also not seeing why u read her as town currently?)
In the first, you explain that ffery looks bad to you, but in the second you mention that it looks like I'm white knighting her (and double down on that thought later on).
This opinion doesn't really align with your stated read, so it just feels like you're trying to take a potshot at me to look busy.Q•U•E•E•N•U•P•T•O•O•L•A•T•E•2•0•1•7-
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