Eminence in Shadow: Season 1 [Game Over]

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Big Chungus Gaming

[Big Chungus Gaming]

my role is self clearing so I've decided to play like an ass gl gl

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Just kidding this is mafia VOTE: Sakura [t
/v]

[Big Chungus Gaming]

So the appointed time has come . . .

I must reject the curse of knowledge and strike out with my own dark power.

VOTE: Cephrir

hi jjh who is the town

[Big Chungus Gaming]

wtf kyouko is back also shes town

[Big Chungus Gaming]

im gonna scumside for a bit because i think its funny VOTE: pooky

[Big Chungus Gaming]

When is eod btw

eliminate or die?

end of day. based on their other posts I think this person is mainly someone who plays on MU, where there are shorter deadlines and people tend to show up en masse during the last hour of the day phase to determine an elimination here, as opposed to where we kinda slow burn and decide sporadically.

and as to the answer of when is EoD, the day is gonna last at least a week if we don't hammer - but we can vote out anyone at any time if we want(but also if we reach deadline timer without a maj, no one will die)

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ssbm_Kyouko
jjh927
Gamma Emerald
Sakura Hana
Dunnstral
Alisae

pookythemagicalbear

SirCakez

Luka

Duelist Kage

Whemestar


Cephrir
Save the Dragons

Penguinpower

KawaiiKame



T3

ok im posting this bc a) im lazy but also b) i was about to make a list of reads but i realized i havent actually read any of the game so i got stuck in the sorting process kek

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Tour as in I've just been going around and playing games on the website.

I played 2 games there this year and both went I think the exact same: got miseliminated relatively early but still won

I've been gamering and recognized as reputable site wide it's based

most improved player right here

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Hello never watched this show but my character looks hot

based

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ssbm_Kyouko
pookythemagicalbear
Alisae
Sakura Hana
T3
Whemestar
Dunnstral
SirCakez
Penguinpower
Cephrir
jjh927
Gamma Emerald
KawaiiKame
Save the Dragons
Luka
Duelist Kage


this is going to be hilariously wrong and im going to have a completely different list by EoD but if i were a gamer(which I am) this is what I would submit as a solve right now

[Big Chungus Gaming]

so basically you're claiming you can read me accurately

you're claiming i'm mafia

I know I'm town

and you're confused why I think you're mafia for claiming you can read me accurately and saying I'm mafia?

bro u do this all the time and it never works .......... plz

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ssbm_Kyouko
pookythemagicalbear
Alisae
Sakura Hana
T3
Whemestar
Dunnstral
SirCakez
Penguinpower
Cephrir
jjh927
Gamma Emerald
KawaiiKame
Save the Dragons
Luka
Duelist Kage


this is going to be hilariously wrong and im going to have a completely different list by EoD but if i were a gamer(which I am) this is what I would submit as a solve right now

oh wait is this koba

If you're Koba then you're completely town for 103 lol

i plead the 5th

[Big Chungus Gaming]

so basically you're claiming you can read me accurately

you're claiming i'm mafia

I know I'm town

and you're confused why I think you're mafia for claiming you can read me accurately and saying I'm mafia?

bro u do this all the time and it never works .......... plz

ok never works is the wrong phrase but like it is never consistent x.x

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: SirCakes

stop hiding and fight me

seeing this made me realize i completely forgot to move cakez's name in my reads list and ill just make it ambiguous bc its more fun that way

VOTE: sircakez

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ok

ok

[Big Chungus Gaming]

jjh - PLAY
Gamma - Town
Sakura - Town
Dunn - Feels townie
Pooky - Town
SirCakez - Exists
Luka - Town
Duelist Kage - gun to head town
MemeStar - town
STD - Exists
Cephrir - Town
Big Chungus Gaming - I want to townread, my better judgment says no
PP - Exists
KawaiiKame - Town
ssbm_kyouko - town
T3 - I trust him about as far as I can throw him.

VOTE: SirCakez

how do u have luka kage and gamma all town

[Big Chungus Gaming]

are we all kinda thumb twiddling waiting on someone to actually do something lol

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I want to see at least one game that disproves my personal meta experience with t3. I'm positive it must exist but I'd like to put the stupid idea out of my head

T3 - I trust him about as far as I can throw him.

These make me a bit worried about townreading T3 earlier.

why?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Whemestar

What makes you think Whemestar is town?

Whemestar is the most obvious town ive ever seen and anybody who pushes them I instantly chainsaw

What makes them obvious to you?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

sigh.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Whemestar

What makes you think Whemestar is town?

Whemestar is the most obvious town ive ever seen and anybody who pushes them I instantly chainsaw

What makes them obvious to you?

there purity is so blatent and blinding it made me do a double take upon seeing the slot

purity in which posts?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i think theres too many people playing passively rn and thats kinda funny

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ok fk it i wanna be controversial cuz i got some vibez VOTE: luka

[Big Chungus Gaming]

wow we all decided to play at the exact same time, funny

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ok fine i dont have a clearable role, please interact with me, suspect me, idk. im desperate for a crumb of attention

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i also dont think PP will give us anything fwiw even if he is scum atm, boutta be cringe and say i think its a low info wagon that wont lead anywhere

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ok fine i dont have a clearable role, please interact with me, suspect me, idk. im desperate for a crumb of attention

It’s page 17 and you don’t have a solve of 4 players (only one of them is actually scum, 1 is LHF, and the other two are obvtown) that you’ll push for the rest of the game

I’m disappointed in you Koba

i do have a solve, i just havent really said it explicitly yet

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i think i figured out why thread feels stiff and its probably bc some ppl play like frightened kittens when they rand PR so im going to ask only once but please pretend you're vt

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ssbm_Kyouko
pookythemagicalbear
Alisae
Whemestar
Dunnstral
T3
KawaiiKame
Sakura Hana

Cephrir
Penguinpower
Gamma Emerald
SirCakez

Save the Dragons
Luka
jjh927
Duelist Kage


it would be hilarious if the exact scumteam was the 2nd tier bc it would be extremely on brand for my d1 reads but here is where im at, actually fully ordered without forgetting anyone

[Big Chungus Gaming]

im ngl i think ur just tunneled t3 bc halfway down theres counterevidence for your scumread and then you just doubledown with weak justification for keeping it to the point its more productive to sort through the game holistically to see if they actually do end up bottom 4 for you

[Big Chungus Gaming]

oh ye i agree i think klick didnt really evaluate the slot and its kinda just spewing it town lol

[Big Chungus Gaming]

me when im extremely vague

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i think i figured out why thread feels stiff and its probably bc some ppl play like frightened kittens when they rand PR so im going to ask only once but please pretend you're vt

bruh this game is mountainous did u even read the setup

this is awkward

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I don't like the way Big Chungus Gaming is interacting with Klick slot, but do like the way they are interacting with T3

have you considered our lord and savior "sort by postcount" though?

VOTE: jjh

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I don't like the way Big Chungus Gaming is interacting with Klick slot, but do like the way they are interacting with T3

have you considered our lord and savior "sort by postcount" though?

VOTE: jjh

It often works but what does this have to do with the post you quoted? All I can come up with is that its just an open "look over there." And why aren't you passionately pushing anything you believe in?

yes, yes it is

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Has the game even been going long enough to be stuck? I'm still in the vibes phase

To me it feels like the people that are actively participating arent scum and i dunno who else is.

i like when someone says the same thing i have but much more directly

[Big Chungus Gaming]

BCG+Sakura scumteam about to roll us with hyperactivity I called it first

Would believe it from BCG

but is it

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i think i figured out why i find it hard to really engage this game. its the seasonal depression. very cool, brain.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

also interesting how easy it was to get votes on jjh but as long as the slot is just a wet noodle not doing anything im not putting much stock into it beyond "maybe could be preemptive bussing"

[Big Chungus Gaming]

also interesting how easy it was to get votes on jjh but as long as the slot is just a wet noodle not doing anything im not putting much stock into it beyond "maybe could be preemptive bussing"

If that's your only thought on the situation, you should have jjh as +scum and therefore a good vote

I am literally the first vote there ? I guess you not being aware is probably +town

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: bcg

im just not buying what this slot is selling

I originally thought they were town because I saw Koba do something similar to 103 in a recent game

But in that game they had extensive and confident reads and I'm not seeing that here at all

There's no oomph behind any of their reads or pushes

Yes and I'm aware bc I haven't felt anything to really get passionate about bc it's mostly boring

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: bcg

im just not buying what this slot is selling

OK so which slots are townier than mine? Out of every slot

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Can't believe I whiffed that opportunity to post the entire player list. I'm rusty

So you telling me you couldn't buy what I was selling was just projection, got it

We can start by removing 1, jjh. Because by that omision you admit you were just blustering and just saying things

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Now let's do my bottom 4 excluding jjh...
Kage/klick, Luka, STD, cakez. I wanna hear what puts me under these names

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Ooh I get what was missing now. I wasn't being directly interacted with ^.^

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: bcg

im just not buying what this slot is selling

I originally thought they were town because I saw Koba do something similar to 103 in a recent game

But in that game they had extensive and confident reads and I'm not seeing that here at all

There's no oomph behind any of their reads or pushes

Wasn’t 103 made before BCG realized the setup?

Yes? I’m not sure what different that makes.

i think i get what gamma is saying but also at the same time i dont xD

[Big Chungus Gaming]

oh. luka might be town xd

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Yeah that's a decent summary of my perspective

I think Dunnstral genuinely believes Pooky is scum here though and doesn't want to *let go* on that basis

I agree that moving on in some capacity would be a lot better for thread health

my "middle 4 rather than bottom 4" is correct theory is gaining credibility lfg

[Big Chungus Gaming]

lastly I recognize that its possible that we're actually T/T here.

Pretty much.
As I was reading all this nonsense i realized

@Dunnstral/Pooky/Klick

: I've read all of this and quite frankly i think all 3 of you are town and just misunderstanding each other, it feels like your entire argument is based of "what you think" the other person is doing rather than what they are actually doing and ended up bloating up the thread arguing about it, you should probably take a step back, re-read the argument or start looking at other people because this isn't helping find scum imo.

stealing your work and just going to sign off on this bc i agree and its lame to just copy what someone else said

[Big Chungus Gaming]

1. I want to know what your strongest reads are at this moment. Which players do you have the most confidence in just being town? Which players do you have a particularly bad feeling about, even if you can't currently justify it? I want to know the opinions that matter most to you atm.

2. Following that, I also want to know what you all think of the following slots:

{STD, Gamma, Penguin, Pooky, Chungus, jjh}

(I'm not solely limited to focusing on those slots, that's just where my own PoE has me atm and I want something to more meaningfully sort between them.)

My end goal is to push the game in a positive direction. I am seeing a lack of cohesion/willingness to drive the game forward all around, and my intention is to change that and get pressure on high equity scum slots.

I also want to trial what happens if I just openly and transparently do this, as opposed to doing it the inconspicuous way. It seems like a good opportunity to try it, considering the stagnant game state.

My reads look like this right now:

[T3, Cephrir, SirCakez, Gamma Emerald, Sakura Hana, Klick, KawaiiKame, Whemestar]
[jjh927, Alisae, ssbm_Kyouko, Luka, Save the Dragons]
[Big Chungus Gaming, PenguinPower, pookythemagicalbear]

My strongest reads here. Let's say you and Sakura Hana. Sakura Hana is quite good at looking town on day 1 when mafia but I like the way they are pushing the game and trying to get people to go back and respond to what they've missed. I do currently think the other 6 names at the top are town but since I have so many names up here I'm not confident. Not really confident that there's more than 1 mafia within Save the Dragons, PenguinPower, or pookythemagicalbear, and when typing this I've realized that Save The Dragons feels the least likely out of the three to be mafia to me. That might be bad reasoning. jjh is null due to no content, which puts them above other people. Big Chungus is slightly below null, I just feel something is off with them. Wary of ssbm_Kyouko and Luka. I don't feel like Alisae has done anything to show their hand either way. I feel like those on top have done something to make me think they are town.

ok i take it back i really hate dunn's perspective i just like his process

[Big Chungus Gaming]

still not worth pushing d1 or even d2 but i trust pooky explicitly while dunns i think is a very "must watch carefully" slot still

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ssbm_Kyouko
pookythemagicalbear
Alisae
Whemestar
Dunnstral
T3
KawaiiKame
Sakura Hana

Cephrir
Penguinpower
Gamma Emerald
SirCakez

Save the Dragons
Luka
jjh927
Duelist Kage


it would be hilarious if the exact scumteam was the 2nd tier bc it would be extremely on brand for my d1 reads but here is where im at, actually fully ordered without forgetting anyone

I think a better and more brief demonstration of how recent content has adjusted my view without being like "all of it" because some things lead to others etc, is to show where ive moved based on catch up reading:

ssbm_Kyouko
pookythemagicalbear
Alisae
Whemestar
Sakura Hana
T3
KawaiiKame

Luka
Klick

Dunnstral
Cephrir
Gamma Emerald
Penguinpower

SirCakez
Save the Dragons
jjh927

"but bcg you only have 3 names in the bottom" - yes but I'll be concerned about that later rather than now, I now feel the vibe of there being a scum influence in some of the discussion and I am unsure who but again, thats a future problem while theres other slots to go fo

VOTE: save the dragons

[Big Chungus Gaming]

@BCG

@BGC

: Did you ever answer Gamma's question in 209.

<snip>

@BGC

: Did you also ever explain what vibes you got on 355?

<snip>

<snip> I also want BCG to answer my questions, im not gonna followup on 523's question for now since it was directed at Ceph, I think overall BCG doesnt look like scum, but some posts made me go "????" so im hoping to get a satisfactory answer.

havent i made it clear i dont care about your question

[Big Chungus Gaming]

still not worth pushing d1 or even d2 but i trust pooky explicitly while dunns i think is a very "must watch carefully" slot still

I don't think this is an opinion you had before, actually, and instead seems to be a reaction to seeing my read on you.

no its because you put all 3 of gamma,cephrir, and cakez in the top tier somehow and also kyouko is in middle tier, etc. something I find, absurd and eyebrow raising and a potential of just "making up reads"

[Big Chungus Gaming]

So what made you put ssbm_Kyouko as top townread never change by post 210 where you first made your list?

thats a question for kyouko to answer

[Big Chungus Gaming]

dont mean to interrupt your confbias rant where you totally dont look unhinged, but thats a list of players from towniest to least towny

[Big Chungus Gaming]

@BCG

do you have any notes on my play so far?

no lmao

[Big Chungus Gaming]

It kinda feels like chungus might be bussing StD???

and jjh too... 2 for the price of 1

[Big Chungus Gaming]

1. jjh927 - please post
2. Gamma Emerald - i remember townreading but I don't remember need to re-eval
3. Sakura Hana - town
4. Dunnstral - don't remember any posts
6.pookythemagicalbear - town
7. SirCakez - mafia
Luka - town
9. Klick - town
10. Whemestar - town
11. Save the Dragons - unreadable
12. Cephrir - town
13. Big Chungus Gaming - cannot determine alignment
14. Penguinpower - gun to head town?
15. KawaiiKame - town
16. ssbm_Kyouko - town
17. T3 - Klick said they're town I sure hope that's sheepable but I can just sit on this for a bit ig they don't die anytime soon

there are 4 mafia

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i have internal bleeding gg

[Big Chungus Gaming]

9. Klick - town

I need the cliff notes for this read

my mum said so

say the real reason plz

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VC in 13 years

please can you delay 2 years, my birthday happens that year

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: jjh

sorting by poe is king and always will be btw

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Also I’m going to be very angy if the sid guy doesn’t give me a power

pls don't be mad

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I actually kinda think the jjh entry was townie

VOTE: jjh

sorting by poe is king and always will be btw

This vote sucks

i had a whole thing typed out about why you think this is townie for jjh then i realized you also were annoying about using meta with me in a previous game and deleted it but also this is the same weaksauce entrance i saw when she subbed in in team mafia and i just operate on the assumption the slot is polarized like that and if jjh does self townspew by eod ill change course but so far this doesnt clear any bars for me.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

If you have questions I will answer them, however they must be phrased elegantly such that they do not ruin the narrative sequence

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

meh fuck it i think the post where jjh explains their lack of push towards me as understanding my thought process made me soften my read annoyingly - so ill bite here now

i have had a 100% consistent read rate on kyouko in every game ive been in with her, only faltering in our first game (but still reaching correct read by midgame).

so ive been treating the slot like its my mason pair and a green check essentially.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

With a made up story he told the girl that she had been cursed. A group known as the Diabolus cult had been hunting her down for her possessed blood. Little did he know...it was true.

Day 1 - Our Story Begins
Vote Count 1.10

Big Chungus Gaming [4][E-5]-T3, Cephrir, Penguinpower, SirCakez
Save the Dragons [3][E-6] Klick, Sakura Hana, Dunnstral
Sir Cakez [2][E-7] - Alisae, Save The Dragons,
ssbm_Kyouko [2][E-7] - Gamma Emerald, jjh927
T3 [1][E-8]- KawaiiKame,
Gamma Emerald [1][E-8] - Luka,
jjh927 [1][E-8] Big Chungus Gaming
Klick [1][E-8] - Whemestar
Dunnstral [1][E-8] - PookytheMagicalBear,

Lurking in Shadows (Not Voting - 1) : ssbm_Kyouko,

With 17 Alive, It Takes 9 to Eliminate.
Deadline is (expired on 2024-01-07 15:45:00)

Mod Note: STD has been prodded he has 24 hours to post. T3 is currently V/LA for 2 days. Sakura Hana is V/LA for next 3 days

mkay VOTE: Save The Dragons

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Now let's do my bottom 4 excluding jjh...
Kage/klick, Luka, STD, cakez. I wanna hear what puts me under these names

oh, it's probably that i think you're scum

i know better than to meet you on a battlefield of your choosing, but at least this frustrating version of you is closer to what i was expecting

ive been patient, cephrir, but I am certainly finding it difficult to track any sort of thought process that actually led you naturally to finding me as scum. This post in particular was a big red flag at the time, but I opted to not comment at the time. It felt very "oh great you're trying to do something thats effective for you" but like theres no reason to think this is some scum plot.

When relooking at this ISO and holistically tracking your mentions of my slot, and looking at the context of my content - I find your read on me to be forced to some degree by some aspect.

Now - I want you to tell me what shortcut read you made because otherwise the only other conclusion I draw here is that you are scum who pulled the read out of your ass.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

All I have to offer right now is why isn't bcg dead yet

Why should bcg be dead?

i think this question is weird but i cant put a finger on why and im too lazy to ISO gamma rn

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I still want to see meta of t3 doing fucking anything as town

I'm sure it exists but I just want to see it

viewtopic.php?t=91787&user_select%5B%5D=35441

This was my 2nd most recent town game

Thank u

This feels significantly more chilled out to me but I'll worry about it later

I’ve lost 6 towngames in a row so I’ve been trying to win more and I realized that in the game I linked I had meh reads but hammered two of my correct townreads because I was anxious about the thread’s consensus and I doubted the quality of my reads. In addition I voted a correct scumread during Day 2 who no one else had voted before then but I eventually just shrugged and decided to go with the thread consensus. In this game I’ve been trying to be more forceful because of that.

losing should not bias you towards never reevaluating

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i wonder if im being pushed bc i was pushing town and pushing a tvt is obviously good for scum

big thonker

[Big Chungus Gaming]

bc like also PP comes to mind as someone who mismatches my view of what pings them when theyre town - something I experienced personally before when we were both town before. I find it odd that the first wagon PP likes is on me - where I feel I have not fit that profile of a slot PP would push earlier on.

there is another slot that I find odd that wasn't pushed by PP but I have to reread to reremember which one it is.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

STD/Gamma/PP/Cephrir would b a funny team tbh and imma double check to see if I actually am leaning towards that rn

[Big Chungus Gaming]

@alisae why cakez scum i cant see it fwiw. i find his play annoying(bc he scumreads me at a fairly high rate early game mainly) but idt he comes off as fake here

[Big Chungus Gaming]

also if i am trending towards the right answer i will say that mafia is largely a game of endurance game

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ssbm_Kyouko
Sakura Hana
Whemestar
Alisae
KawaiiKame
Luka
Pookythemagicalbear
T3

Klick
Dunnstral
jjh927
SirCakez

Gamma Emerald
Cephrir
Penguinpower
Save the Dragons


hilariously I think this is the middle tier I had in the list I made earlier lmao

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ssbm_Kyouko
pookythemagicalbear
Alisae
Whemestar
Dunnstral
T3
KawaiiKame
Sakura Hana

Cephrir
Penguinpower
Gamma Emerald
SirCakez

Save the Dragons
Luka
jjh927
Duelist Kage


it would be hilarious if the exact scumteam was the 2nd tier bc it would be extremely on brand for my d1 reads but here is where im at, actually fully ordered without forgetting anyone

bruh moment LMAO

[Big Chungus Gaming]

regardless if my gamma playing "deepwolf" read is wrong and it is just cakez im only 3/4 if it is STD, big sadge.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Now let's do my bottom 4 excluding jjh...
Kage/klick, Luka, STD, cakez. I wanna hear what puts me under these names

oh, it's probably that i think you're scum

i know better than to meet you on a battlefield of your choosing, but at least this frustrating version of you is closer to what i was expecting

ive been patient, cephrir, but I am certainly finding it difficult to track any sort of thought process that actually led you naturally to finding me as scum. This post in particular was a big red flag at the time, but I opted to not comment at the time. It felt very "oh great you're trying to do something thats effective for you" but like theres no reason to think this is some scum plot.

When relooking at this ISO and holistically tracking your mentions of my slot, and looking at the context of my content - I find your read on me to be forced to some degree by some aspect.

Now - I want you to tell me what shortcut read you made because otherwise the only other conclusion I draw here is that you are scum who pulled the read out of your ass.

Patient for what I clearly stated I had no intention of answering your question

Your posturing does not scare me

I mean its like blatantly obvious to me at this point you won't engage in any questioning on holistic reads because of my theory that if you are town, you're taking shortcuts, which you are double downing you aren't doing - or you are scum who's ass pulled read would get exposed if I start to nibble at your logic.

Feel free to refuse to engage with my questions - it only speaks volumes about your own slot rather than convincing anyone that I'm scum.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Now let's do my bottom 4 excluding jjh...
Kage/klick, Luka, STD, cakez. I wanna hear what puts me under these names

oh, it's probably that i think you're scum

i know better than to meet you on a battlefield of your choosing, but at least this frustrating version of you is closer to what i was expecting

ive been patient, cephrir, but I am certainly finding it difficult to track any sort of thought process that actually led you naturally to finding me as scum. This post in particular was a big red flag at the time, but I opted to not comment at the time. It felt very "oh great you're trying to do something thats effective for you" but like theres no reason to think this is some scum plot.

When relooking at this ISO and holistically tracking your mentions of my slot, and looking at the context of my content - I find your read on me to be forced to some degree by some aspect.

Now - I want you to tell me what shortcut read you made because otherwise the only other conclusion I draw here is that you are scum who pulled the read out of your ass.

c'mon I can't buy this, I often find it tough to read Cephrir but this game I have been able to figure out where his heads at pretty easily

okay can you explain for the class?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

regardless if my gamma playing "deepwolf" read is wrong and it is just cakez im only 3/4 if it is STD, big sadge.

how is Gamma playing like a deep wolf?

the idea was pushing "correct" reads for cred while encouraging tvt fighting

[Big Chungus Gaming]

regardless if my gamma playing "deepwolf" read is wrong and it is just cakez im only 3/4 if it is STD, big sadge.

how is Gamma playing like a deep wolf?

the idea was pushing "correct" reads for cred while encouraging tvt fighting

What tvt fights is Gamma encouraging?

i dont feel like relooking at what i saw but i think something related to pooky and/or T3 was a couple examples. im not good at conveying my POV in a way that makes sense to others fwiw, my style is kinda "you read what i tell you with x theory and y context and either you get what im saying or you don't" xd

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: Big Chungus Gaming

in context to what I personally perceive as "waking up" and improving my posting and knowing your level of play - I find this vote bizarre for a town POV - although I see some level of reasoning plausible, I find me dropping you from my townreads justified.

because from a scum POV, this is a grab to make sure to keep me viable in reaction to me picking up my behavior.

is PP town now btw? because I think - a more logical point to go towards in your shoes, at least to me if I believed your reads as they were, I would be wanting to push PP here and see how other slots act. I know better than to project my own thought process

[Big Chungus Gaming]

T3 - What do you think of 504?

I thought that there was a chance you could be disingenuous scum but I buy your explanation

Subject: Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

wow klick not gonna even bother asking ME about my petapan fanboy townread.
Rude af

Klick honorary scum.

If you can convince me petapan is town I'm also happy to hear it!
The other fire has a way of speaking to my soul though

Here's Klick using the same language as town in a past game btw

What do you think my explanation was? Are you talking about 495?

Yes.

I was under the impression that you were saying "Klick has a scum mindset because he said 'convince me' rather than 'explain to me'"
I thought this was a bad read, and perhaps disingenuous, but I buy your explanation of "I've seen that phrasing be used many times, but I can't say with confidence it's from both alignments" (or something to that effect)

that's not what I meant at all - I don't think he's scum for the wording, I don't doubt he could use those words as either alignment. In the game you linked, he's been playing from the start.

My point is, one of the first things he did on replacing in, was ask to be convinced that the leading wagon is on scum. This makes sense when the VC is more contentious (think competing E-2 wagons), when the game is longer, and reading a lot of pages will be time-consuming, or when the deadline is shorter, and there isn't enough time to read.

None of that applied here which is why I thought it was scummy. What bugs me maybe even more though is your defense of Klick. I dont know why you're first assuming my read is based on Klick's verbiage, and then why you decided to pull meta on Klick to support town!Klick when as far as I can tell you haven't expressed a TR on me (wanting to steer your TRs the right direction) or Klick(wanting today defend your TRs). I'm thinking there's a possibility that my playstyle is being discussed in the scum PT and I'm being targeted for pocketing, which would mean someone on the scumteam is very familiar with me. That brings Gamma and Koba to my mind right off the bat

I assumed your read was based on Klick's verbiage, yes. I don't see why my misunderstanding of your read makes me scum. I do not have a strong read on either you or Klick, and I defended him from you because I thought your point was illogical. And how does this connect to pocketing you at all?

I feel like the simplest conclusion one would draw reading my 495 is not that my scumread was based on Klick's verbiage, but that it's based on my thinking Klick did not display a town mindset in his [ppst]412[/post]. However, someone who knows me well would know that it is not uncommon for me to nitpick on verbiage as town. I have often found that players' particular word choices are strange and done meta-dives where I check if a player normally uses those words. It feels like you, T3, were familiar with that, and you delivered the evidence of town!Klick to me unprompted, and in a manner that I would normally find Klick to be town for myself if this particular SR on Klick was based on his verbiage. I do not think you should have that level of familiarity with my play, which makes me think that you are in a PT with someone that advised you on my meta. Of this playerlist, that someone is almost certainly one of Gamma or Koba, or maybe Dunnstral.

ok i am just reading this but imma be real with u but even if i was scum i would not have been able to tell anyone much about your play and how to play around your slot, a side effect of having a good handle on your alignment very quickly is that i barely pick up on more nuanced parts of your play

i will say - t3 knowing who I am fairly quick was something mild that pinged me earlier (if I am remembering correctly. I sure am having some bad memory problems this game huh)
I never announced my name, and it was mostly known to pooky afaik from the last game i played on this account(and by extension dunnstral too actually)

i will keep t3/dunn as paired in the back of my head though - in my experience this is more a kinda "bragging rights" type of read that is too variable to commit to but good to think about when sorting other content.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i think the fact that absolutely no1 wants to help me vote dunnstral means he's just mafia

What's your scum case on duun? I haven't read his iso.

I think the way he pushed me was disingenuous and convoluted. It felt like he had not overarching point and relied on weird verbal tricks to dance around me instead of sorting me. I felt that he never really felt curious about my alignment and wanted to project a lot of certainty about me being mafia which doesn't make sense to me because town!him has never been very good at catching me when I'm mafia like ever. He fell back to wild levels of ate and then quietly shrunk off to vote STD instead when it looked like he was getting nowhere instead of trying to convince anyone I am mafia.

bookmarking this because i want to see where exactly dunn voted std

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i do think that the wagon on me is overwhelmingly pushed by scum/willage and sometimes the line is hard to discern lmao

[Big Chungus Gaming]

cephrir/dunn/PP/STD would b too easy of a team i thinks

maybe one of PP/STD has to be town here xd

regardless, I think VOTE: Dunnstrall is in order

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I like SirCakez this game.

VOTE: jjh

VOTE: jjh

there's definitely scum in here regardless of jjh alignment imo, this wagon is terrible

this take

is bad

It's hard for me to differentiate between your slot and PenguinPower between players who are doing pretty much nothing except voting low hanging slots. I think the both of you are way better votes than jjh right now - I don't like voting for slots that are clearly absent, especially because there's nothing to actually point towards jjh being mafia.

I sort of rambled there but my point is your play is lame right now and SirCakez is right.

ah fuck is this a "same" check in a dunn scum world?

they might both be town??

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Day 1 - Our Story Begins
Vote Count 1.05

Sir Cakez [4][E-5] - PookytheMagicalBear, Penguinpower, Save The Dragons, Alisae,
PookytheMagicalBear [2][E-7]- SirCakez, Cephrir
Klick [2][E-7] - ssbm_Kyouko, Sakura Hana,
Sakura Hana - [1][E-8]- KawaiiKame,
KawaiiKame [1][E-8]-- Gamma Emerald,
Penguinpower [1][E-8] - Dunnstral,
Dunnstral -[1][E-8]- Klick
Cephrir [1][E-8] - jjh927
jjh927 [1][-E8] - Big Chungus Gaming ,
Save the Dragons [1][E-8] Whemestar
Gamma Emerald - [1][E-8] - Luka

Lurking in Shadows (Not Voting - 1) : T3

Day 1 - Our Story Begins
Vote Count 1.06

jjh927 [5][-E4] - Big Chungus Gaming , Klick, PookytheMagicalBear, Penguinpower, Save The Dragons,
Big Chungus Gaming -[2][E-7]-T3, Cephrir
PookytheMagicalBear [1][E-8]- SirCakez
Sakura Hana - [1][E-8]- KawaiiKame,
KawaiiKame [1][E-8]-- Gamma Emerald,
Penguinpower [1][E-8] - Dunnstral,
Cephrir [1][E-8] - jjh927
Sir Cakez [1][E-8] - Alisae,
Save the Dragons [1][E-8] ssbm_Kyouko,
Gamma Emerald - [1][E-8] - Luka,
Klick - [1][E-8] - Whemestar

Lurking in Shadows (Not Voting - 1) : Sakura Hana,

So the Cakez wagon did in fact have no teeth, and the {Pooky/Penguin/Dragons} trio literally in order followed each other from the Cakez wagon to the jjh wagon

you're literally just taking snapshots in time without looking at the context of what actually happened.

I voted for Cakez - then BCG/PP/STD/Sakura/Alisae followed me on the same day to put Cakez at E-3.

cakez re-enters thread at 327 and asks why is pooky not at e-1 which is ? dunnstral asks him whats the reason for suspecting pooky immediately 6m to try to get an answer from cakeboi. Cakes answer is 333 which is basically not answering the question at all.

I dunno if thats just cakez being his usual scummy self or scum cakez being put on the spot by dunn and not having a good answer but I certainly dont see a "train of thought". he then says some shit about me stretching at a gum factory and claiming the wagon on him is garbage which I can see him doing as either alignment.

now compare this to Cakez/Me last game together where we were town/town this is his iso;

viewtopic.php?sid=&f=83&t=91473&user_select%5B%5D=26092

yea he says some shit about me but he doesnt really take the joke too far. he's got nuanced thoughts about ydrasse and votes her and is actively doing things. he even says he thinks he shouldnt push me or SR me because if I'm scum i'll just be obnoxious to him and it'll be difficult. Which is a pretty reasonable thing to believe about me and one of the reasons I ended up TRing him in this game because his thoughts made sense.

here in this game I have no idea what he's doing. wagoning him didn't really give me a readable response so I moved on and I'm giving him space to do his own thing because I think voting him is just going to cause him to become more intractable/hostile and that's not really useful in any way.

cakez/dunn difference check

also the STD vote for only for 5 minutes, I was scammed during my research. fucked up.

was while JJH was leading by a mile, with the context that jjh may just be town here now..... i'll just say that is interesting.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ssbm_Kyouko
pookythemagicalbear
Alisae
Sakura Hana
T3
Whemestar
Dunnstral
SirCakez
Penguinpower
Cephrir
jjh927
Gamma Emerald
KawaiiKame
Save the Dragons
Luka
Duelist Kage


this is going to be hilariously wrong and im going to have a completely different list by EoD but if i were a gamer(which I am) this is what I would submit as a solve right now

oh wait is this koba

If you're Koba then you're completely town for 103 lol

ok nvm stash the t3/dunn tmi scum theory, this is actually completely natural. (doesnt change much for dunn but makes the TMI theory kyouko presented kinda bunk)

[Big Chungus Gaming]

reaching conclusions pooky did like 10 pages ago is somewhat irking tbh lmao

[Big Chungus Gaming]

where i think theres 0 mafia
[ssbm_Kyouko
pookythemagicalbear
Alisae
Whemestar
Sakura Hana
KawaiiKame
Luka
Klick]

paranoid/not there yet
[T3
Gamma Emerald
jjh927]

all mafia here tbh tbh
[Save the Dragons
Penguinpower
SirCakez
Cephrir
Dunnstral]

the top tier i think should be where all the PR shots go fwiw, even if you were to skip me

[Big Chungus Gaming]

that last one is more roughly ordered rather than being obstinate about ordering bc it was more about highlighting the PoE line and creating our box

[Big Chungus Gaming]

What separates jjh and Gamma from bottom tier

significant plausibility of those slots being town

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: Big Chungus Gaming

in context to what I personally perceive as "waking up" and improving my posting and knowing your level of play - I find this vote bizarre for a town POV - although I see some level of reasoning plausible, I find me dropping you from my townreads justified.

because from a scum POV, this is a grab to make sure to keep me viable in reaction to me picking up my behavior.

is PP town now btw? because I think - a more logical point to go towards in your shoes, at least to me if I believed your reads as they were, I would be wanting to push PP here and see how other slots act. I know better than to project my own thought process

dunn, you too scared to interact with my process? you and ceph gonna hide out in audacity until you inevitably both get PoEd to death by every town slot?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

What separates jjh and Gamma from bottom tier

Neither of them are voting for him

trying to use correlation to avoid critical analysis is cute.

the "paint weird things as scummy" shtick doesn't work on me.

i started making better posts and its clear from your reaction that you are flatlining due to a rug being pulled from under you.

gl tho <3

[Big Chungus Gaming]

If powers that Cid hands out is based on flavor, that might do something. Though that could also tip off mafia. Not sure if there's really a reason to flavor claim anyway, as Cid should pick whoever they think is town rather than guessing at powers behind specific flavor claims.

Nevermind the above, I am reading the game mechanics now and it seems flavor won't help. Plus that exposes Cid I guess.

Last Will: Players can leave a message that will be revealed upon their death. This will be posted on death and can contain anything as long as it doesn't break site rules. [To Clarify you must pm the mod your last will PRIOR to your death]

This could change the way investigative roles play in this game; put results in your will and don't claim inno results

I have often found that players' particular word choices are strange and done meta-dives where I check if a player normally uses those words. It feels like you, T3, were familiar with that, and you delivered the evidence of town!Klick to me unprompted, and in a manner that I would normally find Klick to be town for myself if this particular SR on Klick was based on his verbiage. I do not think you should have that level of familiarity with my play, which makes me think that you are in a PT with someone that advised you on my meta. Of this playerlist, that someone is almost certainly one of Gamma or Koba, or maybe Dunnstral.

Setting aside how likely this is to be T3 gaining info rather than a coincidence where you are jumping to conclusions, this seems like something I would be unlikely to do. Perhaps if you look at how I play in the mafia threads I have been a part of, you would agree:

viewtopic.php?t=91474
viewtopic.php?t=90969
viewtopic.php?t=90850

I focus on mech, what we should be claiming, potential town power roles, how we look if specific players die at night. I don't talk about player meta in the mafia pt at all.

was reading to look at plausible pairings more closely from dunns end, this was an extremely cute coincidence. would not bin this as conclusive myself but i know others would

i think dunn actually, unless they were in bus mode due to the lack of play from PP, spew PP town if they flip red - as well as other really cute spew points in their ISO where there are fairly contrived points made.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

[cephrir, cakez, dunn, STD] ??

[Big Chungus Gaming]

[cephrir, cakez, dunn, STD] ??

@pooky analysis

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Dunn is town unfort

if theyre town, they need to start being honest about their thought process and not leave it to ambiguity what side theyre playing for when presented with the truth of their play from a town POV, which in this case is taking shortcuts to avoid sorting the entire playerlist



a glance through their games though I think does reveal some level of town plausibility in that dunn has a weakness of being extremely reliant on mechs being present and this game, as myself I believed too, seemed to be advertised as role madness in a way, and not having mechs to really interact with, dunn drowns regardless of alignment and is unable to sort or fake sort people properly.

like deadass its funny reading thru dunns games and seeing like 90% of these ISOs are all talking about mech, which im surprised i never picked up on because dunn also had good read analysis that I guess was reliant on said mech reading. their social reads in the early games being notably pretty bad, fmpov that being confirmed by their weird confident push on myself and to a certain extent, kyouko. (if you are town dunn, this is just honesty in if you want to see why you went wrong this game at this point - granted days not over yet, the process doesnt matter if you get there in the end)

regardless we can move up the list VOTE: sircakez

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Dunn is town unfort

if theyre town, they need to start being honest about their thought process and not leave it to ambiguity what side theyre playing for when presented with the truth of their play from a town POV, which in this case is taking shortcuts to avoid sorting the entire playerlist



a glance through their games though I think does reveal some level of town plausibility in that dunn has a weakness of being extremely reliant on mechs being present and this game, as myself I believed too, seemed to be advertised as role madness in a way, and not having mechs to really interact with, dunn drowns regardless of alignment and is unable to sort or fake sort people properly.

like deadass its funny reading thru dunns games and seeing like 90% of these ISOs are all talking about mech, which im surprised i never picked up on because dunn also had good read analysis that I guess was reliant on said mech reading. their social reads in the early games being notably pretty bad, fmpov that being confirmed by their weird confident push on myself and to a certain extent, kyouko. (if you are town dunn, this is just honesty in if you want to see why you went wrong this game at this point - granted days not over yet, the process doesnt matter if you get there in the end)

regardless we can move up the list VOTE: sircakez

Subject: Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

The parity cop is scum

Yeah Ydrasse is probably scum.

This is strictly their scum meta. They open up strong and interact with people to leave a good impression, but as the game goes on they taper off and have difficulty contributing to actual content, or doing anything beyond looking good on tone early on.

Why are they voting for malcolm right now? Why did they vote for me? Why are we letting them get away with that?

I get we're not going to elim them based on their claim today but it should be kept in mind for sure

in fact, dunn's push on me resembles how he erroneously pushed ydrasse in this game and displays the same faulty pitfalls

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: Big Chungus Gaming

in context to what I personally perceive as "waking up" and improving my posting and knowing your level of play - I find this vote bizarre for a town POV - although I see some level of reasoning plausible, I find me dropping you from my townreads justified.

because from a scum POV, this is a grab to make sure to keep me viable in reaction to me picking up my behavior.

is PP town now btw? because I think - a more logical point to go towards in your shoes, at least to me if I believed your reads as they were, I would be wanting to push PP here and see how other slots act. I know better than to project my own thought process

everything is "i find this" and not "this is"

its hilarious that out of everything I posted in the past few pages, this is the best you had.

rug pulled successfully.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I don't find the extreme omgus and bad faith arguments coming from Big Chungus Gaming slot to be town
I don't think Pooky is town either

It is annoying to me that both are being binned as town for wall posting arguments without really reading into the arguments. That's the feeling I get at least.

you keep being vague and not citing anything and just hand waving things in a lazy way that if you are town, it's disrespectful to pooky and I's intelligence that you won't engage anything.
Other people are binning us town because you're trying to ignore content that you should not be, just as Cephrir is. An action that often is a scum tactic to continue bad faith arguments- which is why I'm pushing you and cephrir to actually engage directly with things rather than cower in audacious arguments.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I also think both of those players are scum

Hey, it's clear that people outside of cakez, PP, and Dunn, are not buying your extremely weak arguments.

If im so obviously scum like you claim, there should be an easier way to prove it via my process - examining how I'm reaching conclusions.

Believe it or not, but most players here know what I look like when town so arguing that you think you know better than their experience is not going to get you anywhere. And as a bonus, if you do start making real arguments - it'll be easier to engage your thought process and see if it goes beyond what appears to be made up reads

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: kyouko back to this

if you think I'm town, why is this the first game I'm wrong on Kyouko? Don't think that's impossible.
And what makes you feel cephrir is town here?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: kyouko back to this

if you think I'm town, why is this the first game I'm wrong on Kyouko? Don't think that's impossible.
And what makes you feel cephrir is town here?

the level of respect you have for your game and i have for your game are drastically different

as far as cephrir, i feel it in my jellies

Ok well only one of us get consistently killed n1/n2 so

[Big Chungus Gaming]

the level of respect you have for your game and i have for your game are drastically different

congrats for not answering the question must take alot of ard work

/thread

[Big Chungus Gaming]

all u do is complain

[Big Chungus Gaming]

There are no complaints in those posts

"tecknickally its not a complaint even if its implied"

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VC HERE Will get to these within next half hour.

ive been waiting since last year

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Hey dunn and cakez I think they're onto our strategy of agreeing with each other. Let's try tripling down and do it even more, they won't expect that. Hail Whatever The Mafia Faction Is Called!

this is not a real argument against "your thought process is made up due to be being unexplained and not correlating to new developments" btw.

the argument that you have to be playing poorly as scum to be scum is not a good argument when, in fact, you could just be playing poorly due to the gamestate being stacked against you due to people finding eachother town and so on.

although I would counter that none of the people mentioned are a major wagon right now so that assertion is devoid of gamestate context.


it also ignores that I have, for all of the people you are trying to link to yourself - explored town plausible scenarios for all and presented them to some degree. Something you have not offered to anyone - the uncharatibility towards my play feels forced from your end due to the gross negligence of new info. I don't remember you being a person who does nooby tunnels in this manner.


All I can gather from you is that I'm scum because I supposedly changed my reads to fit who is FOSing me for manipulative reasons - something that those that are reading carefully - have noted is not the case at all. I did sandbag the early game. That was partially due to IRL circumstances and partially due to a lack of feeling of where I should be actively pushing towards at the time. I didn't feel like this was a PL where just pushing something random was necessary due to the abundance of people I am already familiar with and most of them being not more sortable by being pushed except for like Pooky who I found as town without needing to push them.


And lets put forth the scenario where I am scum and you are town, and I will explain why your play, in this case, is completely ineffective against me: Your refusal to engage at my level of discussion only makes you look worse objectively. It only makes me look better and have better cred and with the right kill or 2 will completely ruin your ability to swing the game to get them to kill me within a reasonable time frame before I can manipulate the gamestate to be as unsolvable as possible in the late game. You should be happy to engage to to see what I might spew, to see if you might be wrong, to see what I might do.

But instead it seems - to me - that your objective seems to be just to gain an elimination here and not provide much of your own thought process, or holistic view. When a good portion of the rest of the PL has to some extent laid out this process on the table - it means, at least to me, that by default you have to be mafia here.

If its not clear from how I spoke about Dunn in my last series of posts about him - I am at least, objectively, looking to appear to be genuinely solving people by considering different scenarios and contexts - something that shuts down your narrative that I just scumread people who scumread me. Frankly, it doesn't matter because scum can choose to push 1 player collectively. I don't need to have a bottom 4 of a mixed group, while its unlikely statistically, it is not *impossible* statistically. T3 I have maintained a steady townread on - and only slightly dropped them because of others' paranoia of them, which I tend to look to sheep when people have better recent experiences with a player. I personally have a poor record of reading T3 so I prefer to outsource my read if possible while still attempting in good faith to do it myself. PP was null for me having not displayed much of anything resembling a thought process until voting me - which was clear to be a push he personally supported rather than just wagons he was joining. Cakez was low in my reads well before he spoke about my slot and was a reaction to how he treated Pooky. Dunn was a townread early on due to familiarity with his playstyle and dropped due to feeling he was not reaching a BoP. This was later remedied when I reestablished a baseline for his play - which did not take into account he is not a social reads type of player but moreso a mech read player. And you? You have not given a take I felt has been more than surface level this entire game and when prodded to provide more repeatedly, you have given nothing of value. So, frankly, please stop giving excuses because its an insult to all of our intelligences and no one is buying your crap at this point.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I think I've been left off your list like 3 times now

pfp is to cute my judgement on u is clouded

u tr me, i have 100% readrate on this player across both alignments in like 10 games, u can just trust me ez

[Big Chungus Gaming]

kyouko kinda has like "robot" syndrome when scum i feel iirc and thats kinda roughly how I judge her play.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Mafiascum Eliminate Scum That Knows How To Post Lots Of Words Challenge (Impossible)

Top wagon is literally somebody who
1. Just posted a wall post
2. Youre voting
This is not a real thought lol

I was also wagoned before I started making bigger posts lol

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Mafiascum Eliminate Scum That Knows How To Post Lots Of Words Challenge (Impossible)

call me crazy but 50% of eliminations are entirely based on vibes with people making up logic post-hoc to justify it

is this a cop out of reevaluating the new content you missed?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Mafiascum Eliminate Scum That Knows How To Post Lots Of Words Challenge (Impossible)

call me crazy but 50% of eliminations are entirely based on vibes with people making up logic post-hoc to justify it

is this a cop out of reevaluating the new content you missed?

it is 2:16 am and I’m in the bathroom at a new year’s party. My time to read the content I missed/didn’t analyze will come

oh yeah ur like an actual adult now, hf

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: cephrir
I feel like this is a decently scumread player with little motion to actually start anything there, I’m changing that

VOTE: cephrir

we will see how fast the actual explanations start rolling in

[Big Chungus Gaming]

if you wanted to convince me you're so much better than me this aint it

ok mr "its just vibez"

[Big Chungus Gaming]

{KawaiiKame, Sakura Hana, Klick, Cephrir, Memestar, Luka, Chungus, STD, ssbm_Kyouko, Pooky}
{T3}
{Penguin}
{jjh}
{Gamma, Dunnstral}
{Cakez}

start explaining yourself pls

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: cephrir
I feel like this is a decently scumread player with little motion to actually start anything there, I’m changing that

Why doesn't this post contain a read

What does this mean? Seems pretty obvious to me Gamma scumreads you from that post

she dances around actually saying it, making it out like her vote is about game health or something

again, trying to paint something that looks weird on surface level as something scummy.
the implication by voting there is clear.

lets pull something out of your hat of logic though, you must be only saying this because they are voting you

[Big Chungus Gaming]

But yeah why is anyone still focused on STD at all?

I personally voted him because it felt like a bettlejuice when he popped in to say "Hi", i think he also noticed what had happened coz of his weird "mic check" thing he said afterwards

I think I'm dropping the chuuni bit but oh well

But yeah why is anyone still focused on STD at all? Dude is never going to say anything that is alignment indicative or that is going to convince anyone of anything.

I didn’t really see much change your posting by way of the bit

What does this even mean.

Patient for what I clearly stated I had no intention of answering your question

Your posturing does not scare me

What is exactly scummy about BCG and where are they posturing.

holistic reads

Only reason im quoting this is coz i've seen this word mentioned and i dont know what it means.

This is new, inspired by Sakura

How did anything i say inspire you to reach that conclusion?

I lean towards your sort on Dunn coming from genuinely wanting to figure out his alignment fwiw.

Personally, I agree

VOTE: Big Chungus Gaming

in context to what I personally perceive as "waking up" and improving my posting and knowing your level of play - I find this vote bizarre for a town POV - although I see some level of reasoning plausible, I find me dropping you from my townreads justified.

because from a scum POV, this is a grab to make sure to keep me viable in reaction to me picking up my behavior.

is PP town now btw? because I think - a more logical point to go towards in your shoes, at least to me if I believed your reads as they were, I would be wanting to push PP here and see how other slots act. I know better than to project my own thought process

everything is "i find this" and not "this is"

What does this have to do with anything.

I don't find the extreme omgus and bad faith arguments coming from Big Chungus Gaming slot to be town
I don't think Pooky is town either

It is annoying to me that both are being binned as town for wall posting arguments without really reading into the arguments. That's the feeling I get at least.

I disagree that they are being townbinned just for wall posting. I assume people have read the actual arguments (At least i have)

cephrir is clearly town here

Explain how he is

clearly

town

VOTE: cephrir
I feel like this is a decently scumread player with little motion to actually start anything there, I’m changing that

VOTE: cephrir

we will see how fast the actual explanations start rolling in

I would rather die than dance for you

This is probably the only post from Ceph that gives me pause about him, and thinking he's potentially town, I dont know if it's in scum's best interest to continue pushing this when it could cause them to die.
Now onto BCG, i believe they are very clearly town. Every assesment they presented in 1206 can be backed up by evidence throughout their own ISO. You can clearly see where their thought process comes from and how it changes after research. It's very clear that they are actually researching to be able to solve the game which is a very pro-town mindset.

After this I'm gonna need very compelling reasons for why BCG is scum, or stop this push. This looks wrong and atm BCG is in very real danger of elimination due to plurality.

I personally think out of the people voting BCG right now the most likely scum is SC.
VOTE: SirCakez

holistic meaning reads that take into account every player rather than specific ones in a vacuum. i.e. maybe i find 1 player somewhat towny - but I may have them as scum because they are only somewhat towny while I have many others as more towny than them.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

In post 1113, KawaiiKame wrote:
This is new, inspired by Sakura
How did anything i say inspire you to reach that conclusion?

Don't you have it backwards? I imagine people have better analysis as town than as scum in general, since as scum they have to lie while as town they are genuinely analyzing things.

Either way, i'm still in my belief that unless you're really skilled at lying your analysis as town is gonna be a lot better than your analysis as scum. I have seen nothing to disprove this.

If someone lies/is skilled at lying then they have the highest potential to be mafia, your words inspired this conclusion.

???

Someone's ability to lie doesn't influence their odds of pulling a red Role PM with most moderators

I'm saying someone who lies has a higher chance of being mafia
Someone who lies well is the most dangerous as mafia, so we need to eliminate good liars in case they are mafia

This is BS, It's not about eliminating the player with the greatest ability to lie, it's about eliminating the player who is lying, and even that it's just oversimplifying the game as it's not as easy as that. Something like this will lead you to want to eliminate the same player in every game just because they are good at lying, instead of... because of their actual alignment.

That last sentence hit home

[Big Chungus Gaming]

this is a public notice I'm starting to entertain plausible teams with alisae in them when looking for teams - although I still don't wish to immediately go for alisae rn.

The multiple assertions that cephrir is town, even if some are from slots I distrust has finally softened me slightly in that direction - although I still am widely skeptical of this. Moreso a gamestate feel of cephrir looking "alone" in the way the recent defense looked.

probably also a good time to bring up that my primary d1 strategy is to look for the slot I find least towny and go there in order to maximize the efficacy of the info that slot gives in the worst case scenario.


Also somewhat related - but going forward as we approach elimination decision time, anyone who claims they are the special PR distributer should be not voted - OR cc'd. Instead we choose 2 targets for them among people not being voted out and enforce them giving PR powers to those 2 as means of hiding our only self clearing role - and if they are fake, the real one must go outside these 2 - so if neither gains a PR, it is automatic confirmation the claim was fake the next day.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i think the vast majority of flips that arent slots like pooky or kyouko are high info and im lowkey just not into trying to push something strongly to end up maybe wrong tbh

kinda a vent but how i feel abt the gamestate atm

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I'm too town for elim and I don't even have to try hard to do it

I have to vote this bullshit
VOTE: alisae

this is a wolfclaim from cakez btw.
I know him enough to know this

Alisae prob town if I haven't said already (I've been thinking it). I don't think that scum!Alisae would see my cakez vote, connect it to this post, and automatically go doomer on cakez' inevitable lim, even if e does know cakez well enough to know that cakez betrayed himself with that one.

i say this as someone who almost got conned by alisae this year but alisae got notably better at tone + play as scum this year and idk how much meta from when you last played with them is present here.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I'm too town for elim and I don't even have to try hard to do it

I have to vote this bullshit
VOTE: alisae

this is a wolfclaim from cakez btw.
I know him enough to know this

Alisae prob town if I haven't said already (I've been thinking it). I don't think that scum!Alisae would see my cakez vote, connect it to this post, and automatically go doomer on cakez' inevitable lim, even if e does know cakez well enough to know that cakez betrayed himself with that one.

i say this as someone who almost got conned by alisae this year but alisae got notably better at tone + play as scum this year and idk how much meta from when you last played with them is present here.

i dont mean to say this like "abandon your townread" but rather to help you read the best read you can from your own POV by providing critical context you may lack here

[Big Chungus Gaming]

im gonna be boring and say PP is probably a good wagon here and not a bad elimination, I am fitting him into nearly all worlds I have, like theyre a piece thats like "well if X and Y are mafia then yeah PP has to fit in somehow here" like for example, a recent team I was trying to build around was Alisae/Dunnstrall, and while I struggle to figure out a 4th, I think PP like always fits as 3rd for example.

cephrir alignment kinda important to really crack this game open imo, last time i played vs scum him it did take me many game days to bury him and only thru sheer luck of a replacement who self cleared for me and several blunders around his slot - I find it high priority to have any investigatives used on that slot.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

oh i forgot to include a vote rofl VOTE: penguinpower

[Big Chungus Gaming]

pooky

Why do you townread pooky?

because he has towny tone for him, and he responded more smugly to him getting pushed and not all grr angy and tilted

[Big Chungus Gaming]

pooky

Why do you townread pooky?

because he has towny tone for him, and he responded more smugly to him getting pushed and not all grr angy and tilted

You don't think that scum Pooky can respond smugly to being pushed?

if you think I'm wrong, disprove me instead of trying to subtly sow doubt into my read/discredit me for it

[Big Chungus Gaming]

cephrir alignment kinda important to really crack this game open imo, last time i played vs scum him it did take me many game days to bury him and only thru sheer luck of a replacement who self cleared for me and several blunders around his slot - I find it high priority to have any investigatives used on that slot.

It'd be a waste at this point I'm pretty sure he's town

if thats the case, what would make them scum here? because i went back to the game where they were caught only in late game, and his posts in THAT game were better than here - and that I attribute to having mechs to hide behind.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

like what is the separating factor here that makes them only plausible as town here?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Can you link that most recent cephrir scumgame you spoke of, BCG?

oh its not recent, its just the most recent I have played in. scp upic, where i got your slot miskilled before turning on cephrir and then being pocketed by dwlee and killing t3 lol

we need enchant to sub into this game now to make this a soft reboot of that game now lmao

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Ceph is good at efforting and trying hard as scum

He feels more relaxed here and open with his thoughts

He also gets annoyed or tilted easily on here (Sorry babe) and he has had personal frustration leak into the game to a point where he was sassing gamma and later apologized for it. I don't think scum cephrir does that. But town cephrir can be more biting because he's not worried about drawing negative attention to himself.

My natural inclination is to scumread cephrir. The fact I can townread him so easily makes me just think he's really town here

oh yeah well
pee pee

and also poo poo

[Big Chungus Gaming]

So like
STD is good at figuring out Ceph's alignment (Town)
Klick is good at figuring out Kawaii's alignment (Town)
BCG is good at figuring out Kyouko's alignment (Town)

At the moment i have no reason to believe any of these 3 are scum, and for as long as that's true im willing to take them on their word about the other 3, so that's... basically 6 free TRs.

this is literally one of my secrets of my play is figuring out who is sheepable on who LMAO.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

This is an open call-to-action until stated otherwise: if kyouko attempts to eliminate Cakez after I die, kill her.

you are defending a wolfclaimed player

Do. You. Think. I. Give. A. Shit. What. You. Think?

I want to town lock this

just FYI gamma can channel frustration as scum too, but if you know Gamma, you can tell the subtleties of scum gamma frustration and town gamma frustration when it is a prolonged matter

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You know what, sure, my vote isnt doing anything and i dont townread Cakez, heck i've gone into scumreading him a couple times but then back to neutral.
VOTE: Cakez

Vote feels bad and nervous

i think u are hungry for tinfoil

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cephrir alignment kinda important to really crack this game open imo, last time i played vs scum him it did take me many game days to bury him and only thru sheer luck of a replacement who self cleared for me and several blunders around his slot - I find it high priority to have any investigatives used on that slot.

It'd be a waste at this point I'm pretty sure he's town

if thats the case, what would make them scum here? because i went back to the game where they were caught only in late game, and his posts in THAT game were better than here - and that I attribute to having mechs to hide behind.

I actually can kind of see where you get a scumread of me from if that game is your primary meta lmao

I'm kind of hard to pin down with meta. At one point notoriously so. I will say that at baseline I make "better" posts as scum because I care about appearing to make sense, but I'm very aware of that baseline so idk if it's even useful anymore

ok well I've shown my spotlight for now, its only d1, and theres enough plausibility + logical sense in the explanation by others townreading you that I can solve safely without considering your slot atp.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Honestly I always get reads based on how ppl interact with my wagon when I get ran up day 1 and usually I’m always right so u guys are rly fckin this up

scummy performative post VOTE: wheme

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i think if cakez is scum here i dont think anyone actually really caught him on merit of finding him not town, but rather sheer luck of scumreading him for playstyle, and I lean that cakez is kinda town here

[Big Chungus Gaming]

this is an open admission that im just watching and eating popcorn rn bc I genuinely have no idea how to interact with this game state except with the fun way of seeing how ppl react to me saying this post

[Big Chungus Gaming]

this is an open admission that im just watching and eating popcorn rn bc I genuinely have no idea how to interact with this game state except with the fun way of seeing how ppl react to me saying this post

Must be nice

im actually eating a burrito so im actively lying too

[Big Chungus Gaming]

chipotle is ass why did they charge me for extra steak when I didn’t ask for it

bro u gotta try mexica in tewksbury

[Big Chungus Gaming]

chipotle is cutting corners like crazy internally and pushing growth of growth nonsense by sacrificing quality

[Big Chungus Gaming]

chipotle is ass why did they charge me for extra steak when I didn’t ask for it

bro u gotta try mexica in tewksbury

What the fuck is a Tewksbury google maps says it’s 8 hours by train

bro what https://maps.app.goo.gl/1j1pARjHzdAKT73c7

[Big Chungus Gaming]

chipotle is cutting corners like crazy internally and pushing growth of growth nonsense by sacrificing quality

They love my wife at my chipotle (they love her everywhere we go) so we get hookup bowls every time even from new employees because the other employees not on the line recognize us. We got our bowls for less than half price once, pretty sure the guy on cash just used his shift meal code for us or something, because we saw him hitting something extra on the register after ringing us in

employee 50% discount (or they gave u a cop discount lolz)

source - i used to work at chipotle, and even run a chipotle employee discord server

btw new limited run barbacoa is coming soon(like carne asada type promo shit), you didnt hear it from me tho

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but actually taking player count into account he's posting like exactly 1/17th of the posts here with 17 alive, and in Isekai he posted a little over half of what 1/13th of the playerlist would be posting, so he's posting here more than he did in Isekai, relative to the player count and total posts of both games' D1s

explain

[Big Chungus Gaming]

anyone voting kyouko needs to eliminate me first because if kyouko is scum then i am scum too but me scum doesnt necessarily mean kyouko scum

[Big Chungus Gaming]

also i genuinely think PP is the best course here atp

i also think T3/alisae are possibly paired and t3 is just setting up distance rn

[Big Chungus Gaming]

anyone voting kyouko needs to eliminate me first because if kyouko is scum then i am scum too but me scum doesnt necessarily mean kyouko scum

you could also be wrong

absurd notion to hold on day 1 when prior evidence of my ability to read that particular player should tell you killing kyouko d1 is the dumbest thing you could do in context of kyouko and me being in the game

the only argument i see for kyouko being scum is "i dont like what theyre doing because i wouldnt do that" which is like the most non-reason to find someone scum.

there are 4 mafia and you think all 4 will magically get away if i happen to be wrong on 1/4?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

deadline is approaching and im against a dunn kill atp, I think he has demonstrated enough plausibility of being town here and gamma is the only other viable option here and i am likely to be busy this weekend.

VOTE: gamma

willing to flashwagon onto PP, so consider my vote there in spirit.

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i wont be because theres nothing indicative she magically evolved her scum game to be doing what she is doing now but gl

you can argue she is making wrong conclusions but the idea that her process on you is in bad faith is quite frankly extremely absurd, and your slot is one atm that if i had to miskill a townie, I would not feel so bad about.

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deadline is approaching and im against a dunn kill atp, I think he has demonstrated enough plausibility of being town here and gamma is the only other viable option here and i am likely to be busy this weekend.

VOTE: gamma

willing to flashwagon onto PP, so consider my vote there in spirit.

Also, there’s over 48 hours which is plenty of time, and I feel like T3 should actually be considered as an elimination for today since this feels like he’s crashing and burning. In fact, I am getting some mild flashbacks to mini 2213 rn

48 hours on MS with hammer required to hammer is more like 24 hours left, the last 24 hours is always treated as a buffer so we dont accidentally no eliminate.

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deadline is approaching and im against a dunn kill atp, I think he has demonstrated enough plausibility of being town here and gamma is the only other viable option here and i am likely to be busy this weekend.

VOTE: gamma

willing to flashwagon onto PP, so consider my vote there in spirit.

Also, there’s over 48 hours which is plenty of time, and I feel like T3 should actually be considered as an elimination for today since this feels like he’s crashing and burning. In fact, I am getting some mild flashbacks to mini 2213 rn

48 hours on MS with hammer required to hammer is more like 24 hours left, the last 24 hours is always treated as a buffer so we dont accidentally no eliminate.

This game has plurality lims

well regardless, we have a very important PR we do not want to throw and eliminate to turn this into mountainous.

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jjh was a lurksack as town iirc last time i faced them when i was scum fwiw. i just think they are lurky in general, its more of the quality of his posts that matters and iirc they kinda passed the quality that is lacking in their scum game but i might be misremembering

[Big Chungus Gaming]

My priorities are a little different than usual while I'm embracing my inner chuuni

So how much of the thread have you read, and what made you vote ssbm_Kyouko?

I see all

Kyouko's STD vote followed by later unvote and apparent confusion at the wagon is my primary point of focus. Voting STD with the intention of generating content should be known to be completely pointless because STD won't do that. I don't think the 'default wagon' line of reasoning works from the standpoint of one who was willing to vote there initially

Interesting that you think Kyouko comes off more believable in the Kyouko/T3 interactions

Kyouko's 582 is specific, but comes out at a later point in conversation where the layers have built up and scum could reach for a conclusion like that. The point itself doesn't hold up to a very basic level of scrutiny either. The idea that someone would specifically give T3 extra advice about Kyouko's towngame to handle that interaction is entirely outlandish, but makes sense from the perspective of scum actively trying to include "I am town" in their line of reasoning.

The bit that actually concerns me on the flip side is the recent exchange where T3 backs off and deescalates. I am aware T3 has a fairly good scumgame and he's around the middle of my list of people I want to have a conversation with

Your take on 568 is downright concerning though

Do you actually believe that

just some examples plus the top post actually correlates with what I said too wrt being lurky as either alignment nowadays

[Big Chungus Gaming]

actually nvm thats not what the top post says but i will check the game i am talking about - its one ran by jingle a couple years back where pregame we voted 2 players to be treestumped for the whole game pre-rand and play for town.

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I think koba’s point holds water, I was also in the townstumps game so I have at least a vague memory of what they’re talking about

Them being afk was a big part of helping Nancy and I slide by in lylo bc iirc they were one of the stumps

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: PP

[Big Chungus Gaming]

On one hand we have a lurker who may or may not contribute on later days and an easily sortable good player who is lurking for unknown reasons

On the other hand we have a player with poorly thought out reads and who is unwilling to compromise whose future contributions will invariably disrupt the gamestate and make it difficult to solve

Someone please give me a good reason for not voting Alisae that isn’t “uh um good vibes”

Town!Alisae is a large asset who will contribute more positively later on than you are giving credit for

That combined with said 'good vibes' makes me resistant to an Alisae push

Idt it's town alisae atp but it's true she's not the play this day phase but I think she needs more scrutiny as time goes on and there's evidence for her to work with if town.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

General takes here
I think the people making commentary on my meta are poorly informed
I really don't feel like town!Alisae votes me without a confident read
Without going back to look, I think Pooky is playing very similarly to gng upick and that's why I would consider him to be hard town here.
I don't think I have a second interesting enough read in isolation for Klick's request at the present time. 'Interesting' is the qualifier though. Tonight, when I am no longer phoneposting in response to an email ping, I'll make a proper readslist and Klick or anyone else can quiz me on something I guess.
Out of my wagon, I'm confident Klick and Wheme are town and a bit optimistic that STD is town and maybe actually readable, but I've had an eye on Cephrir for basically the whole phase, PP could easily be scum, and I've already mentioned Alisae
I'll put down a vote when I centre myself with a readlist

This mirrors my thoughts almost entirely.
But also I'm assuming I'm the exception wrt the meta comment

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Someone please give me a good reason for not voting Alisae that isn’t “uh um good vibes”

bussing is bad and alisae hates it

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Alisae, Wheme, Luka, Klick, Sakura - wherever the majority of these go I'll probably go as long as it's not on one of them or on KK, preferably not Cephrir but I'm willing to accept my reasoning for jjh is not strong enough to take him off the table for D1 "compromise" type voting

really

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Day 1 - Our Story Begins
Vote Count 1.19

jjh927 [6][E-3] - Alisae, Cephrir, Klick, Whemestar, Save The Dragons, Penguinpower,
Dunnstral [3][E-6] - PookytheMagicalBear, Luka, Sakura Hana,
Alisae [3][E-6] - SirCakez, KawaiiKame, T3,
PenguinPower [2][E-7]- Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald,
Gamma Emerald [2][E-7] - ssbm_Kyouko, Big Chungus Gaming,

Lurking in Shadows (Not Voting - 1) : jjh927,

With 17 Alive, It Takes 9 to Eliminate.
Deadline is (expired on 2024-01-07 15:45:00)

Mod Note: jjh927 has been prodded

First 4 on the jjh wagon seem pure. STD maybe pure, PP questionable. With plurality in effect, voting him now won't even mean that scum need to hammer him and incriminate themselves unfortunately.
Dunn - Luka and Sakura are here - not sure about Pooky in this game, but I feel better about jjh than Dunn and STD moved from jjh to Dunn recently, as did PP. Feel like STD and PP have been moving around together throughout the day, don't think scum would be that blatant all day even after they get called out on it. If Dunn is scum maybe one is bussing because it would look weird if they

didn't

vote Dunn atp
Alisae wagon is trash - idk why KK is voting there maybe I should look into that.
Gamma right now voting PP

with

Dunnstral, and I do agree that I don't really see the jjh wagon's merit beyond "lurker" - I could go around in circles with the WIFOM of it so I'll just leave this alone - though I already didn't think the jjh lim would be good.
BCG is just against the Dunn lim it looks like and so he was voting Gamma and now is voting PP, the counterwagon. This seems odd that he didn't vote jjh instead of Gamma maybe? Actually no, looking at the VC, Gamma's wagon was the leading wagon as Dunnstral's was picking up steam.

I kinda want to see what this brings tbh. scum!Dunn looks bad for BCG
VOTE: Dunnstral

classic short term memory mafia player thinks dunn mafia looks bad for me

[Big Chungus Gaming]

objectively i am one of the most cleared players off dunn mafia but please keep pushing the silly surface level assumption that "defended them d1 so must be mafia"

stop using whos on the wagon and preflips to determine your reads

[Big Chungus Gaming]

but also i would atp put money on dunn flipping town so i hope you eat a heaping pile of crow for it bc it seems like thats the scum agenda wagon now

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Looks like 4 of my top 5 town say Dunn could be scum or have him in the bottom quarter/third of their readslist. Wheme is the one that thinks town!Dunn

WHO CARES HOW MANY PPL THINK IT THAT YOU TOWNREAD

townreads and reliability of reads are 2 separate metrics

hell if a scumread of yours presents a read that is well made, you can follow that too because it could be, wait for it, TMI of their partner too!

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ssbm_Kyouko
Sakura Hana
Whemestar
Klick
KawaiiKame
Luka
Pookythemagicalbear


Cephrir
jjh927
Save the Dragons
Gamma Emerald
Dunnstral
SirCakez


Alisae
T3
Penguinpower

ok admittedly this is where I'm at and I guess dunn technically fmpov isnt a toss to resolve, expected to have a more solid bottom 4 that I felt good about, but this is where I'm at and I think Cakez/Alisae have difficulty fitting together which is why I find it awkward lol


still think PP is like the easiest to figure out is a guaranteed hit from an objective standpoint

[Big Chungus Gaming]

but also i would atp put money on dunn flipping town so i hope you eat a heaping pile of crow for it bc it seems like thats the scum agenda wagon now

Instead of this sidelining tell me who the scum is pushing the Dunn agenda so I can vote them pls ty.

admittedly just looked at the VC and realized JJH was the one in the lead and is the scum agenda push likely rather than dunn and I rescind this statement

[Big Chungus Gaming]

objectively i am one of the most cleared players off dunn mafia but please keep pushing the silly surface level assumption that "defended them d1 so must be mafia"

stop using whos on the wagon and preflips to determine your reads

but also i would atp put money on dunn flipping town so i hope you eat a heaping pile of crow for it bc it seems like thats the scum agenda wagon now

I'm not SRing you, I think I've found a good block of town players I'm confident in though, and they all seem to agree Dunn is scummy. I've got him at null myself, can't say I have any idea how to read him. The one time I caught him as scum was in Isekai where I tracked him to the NK. The only reason I even tracked him was because I thought he was so town he'd get killed later on and I was an activated Watcher that had to track my target before I was allowed to target them with my Watcher ability. I was literally setting up to catch the scum that killed Dunn in the game where he was scum because he had me and the rest of the playerlist that snowed.

When I was looking at why you were voting Gamma it seemed pretty clear the reason was because you think Dunn is town, which also explains why you'd be voting PP now. It's not a crime to misread scum as town, or to defend your TRs by voting the counterwagon at the end of day, but if he flips scum, it

does start to look bad

. No denying that.

I don't think PP and Dunn are incompatible by any means and I think you completely missed where I felt dunn has town plausibility but not high enough to bin town, but high enough to pass on day 1 to me.

I feel in a game like this with mechs he will only improve in content if he is town after n1 and that a chance to show himself would be worthwhile

I like elimination orders and I think PP is the correct one to go first here

[Big Chungus Gaming]

pee pee poo poo tldr mixed up jjh and dunn's names in my thought process for a bit but still Nuance

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Idg why pp is happening

Everything feels wrong now I'm gonna VOTE: pooky uselessly for a bit

he isn't, dunn/jjh is the primary wagon battle rn. It's my preferred elim for day 1.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

but also i would atp put money on dunn flipping town so i hope you eat a heaping pile of crow for it bc it seems like thats the scum agenda wagon now

Instead of this sidelining tell me who the scum is pushing the Dunn agenda so I can vote them pls ty.

Do you agree dunn is a proscum wagon or are you just looking for more meaningful commentary from BCG?

nothing to agree with as I had made a faulty statement based on a misconception

[Big Chungus Gaming]

as is I have my preferences in this order for viable wagons at this point:

PP>dunn>alisae>jjh

and then if t3 was to become a flashwagon I would put that above dunn

[Big Chungus Gaming]

can we not use OGI

[Big Chungus Gaming]

like I think both are probably maf at this moment but lets stay in the spirit of the game please

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Katsuki replaces KawaiiKame. Everyone please welcome the Cupcake.

Note: I am not extending deadline at all.

can you reduce the deadline

[Big Chungus Gaming]

HELLO HELLO HELLO
SHAME I WASN'T ACTIVE LAST TIME BUT WE'RE FINALLY IN A GAME TOGETHER POOKY

DONT PLAN ON READING
THIS WILL BE MY CONTRIBUTION TO THIS GAME INSTEAD

[IMAGE REMOVED]

i am automatically biased against your slot for hornyposting frame 1

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I think it's different when the gut-based player is partners with the player they're reading and knows them very very well
But idk

wow i just got mafiascum lore

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Btw disclaimer that i know nothing about the flavor

YOU SHOULD AMEND THIS BTW
ITS NOT TOO LATE TO START

no

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Ugh nevermind
VOTE: Dunn
I feel like, a lot of things Dunn does is like trying to avoid answering things or misdirecting them? It's kinda weird.

oh this is hammer

[Big Chungus Gaming]

DONT FORGET TO WRITE YOUR WILLS

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ESPECIALLY if dunn flips green thats important but still dont forget on a red flip(esp if you defended them)

you dont know if you will die or not 100% if you are town

[Big Chungus Gaming]

zzz

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how tf was jjh elimed