Kemusan - Game Over

[Bell]

Oh, I’m just saying these are the scary scum players that win the games. Because HST asked me who I was referring to when I was talking about my opinion that killing people for having the potential to be scum that can win the game isn’t good.

Because water is wet.
And ydra mention was just a joke.

[Bell]

I think in general that how everyone is playing points to someone actively coaching a few players since there’s deviations to what I’d expect from them.

I’m not actually sure though, I’m not scum.

Feel like elaborating at some point? Doesn't need to be this phase.

I'll want to revisit well before intermission.

I’m basically making a subtle lld/Cabd swipe since they’re the most hands on in terms of coaching.
This is just in reference to unique plays or posts I wouldn’t expect a player to make, such as HST’s vote which someone else might’ve brought to their attention or RH’s near perfect response when I asked them why they didn’t find it weird I couldn’t remember how many scum there were.

I don’t really think enchant can be coached.

[Bell]

Why not this phase? I have no unique insights in this regard, nor am I particularly likely to be accurate and I don’t have much experience with what coaching looks like compared to to a player just being a different alignment.

[Bell]

I’d like to think it’s just because you’re a free spirit and or, I’m never very sure if you’re listening or even reading.

I really don’t know how much effort you put in to mafia. What you get out of it. What the differences are between your alignments and how you choose to pursue your win conditions.

I can never tell when you’re joking and when you’re not.

[Bell]

This was more to state that certain players even if coached 1 on 1 probably wouldn’t look significantly different.

[Bell]

what if i danced with enchant

Who you ask

Everyone

I dunno. If you have confidence that you can salvage enchant or spot them as scum then yeah. Cool. I prefer a more harmonious 3 teams that were fairly sure are all town, but I think that ship sailed.

I guess STD might be town and it might be a good idea to pair there? But that’s just my preference.

[Bell]

Oh, alas.

[Bell]

Skitter, what do you think about RCE’s alignment this game?

[Bell]

Kinda meh but i feel like:
* it's a very popular sr
* if he were actually scum he'd exhibit more urgency in trying to get into a pairing (this goes for all of the unpaired gents, honestly)

Not really convinced he's scum rn

I dub this a hipster read.

[Bell]

I think it’s general rule of thumb for people to associate desperation with vulnerability and undesirability.

Pretty much the desperate are going to work hard to not look desperate.

Then you have players like enchant that likely wouldn’t be desperate no matter what.

In a scum PT there is a lot of panicking about that sort of thing, but they usually hide it decently in thread.

But I dunno, you could be right.

[Bell]

I very much disagree with that, there'll usually be some sort of indication in thread as well imo

Mmm. So you think all of the remaining gents are town?

[Bell]

i can't trust ydrasse she is scum

bell ur up, what is ur read on cakez

Who?

[Bell]

Look man, my scum game isn’t that good.
Give me a break. I’m trying my best here.

[Bell]

I iso’d them and realized I had missed some content.
I have a pace tracker, if someone doesn’t meet a certain pace for developing reads or producing something, I jump on them.

[Bell]

i can't trust ydrasse she is scum

bell ur up, what is ur read on cakez

I have no idea.
Genuinely.
Perhaps the fact they haven’t said anything completely insane yet means they’re scum.
Who?

Read on Sircakez

[Bell]

i can't trust ydrasse she is scum

bell ur up, what is ur read on cakez

Who?

Read on Sircakez

I have no idea.
Genuinely.
Perhaps the fact they haven’t said anything completely insane yet means they’re scum.

Ewbop.

[Bell]

1189: but it’s minor. I guess it feels slightly unguarded. I think it’s just me projecting due to Similar mindset. They seem to be vaguely acknowledging their vulnerability in their post. But posting about it anyway.

[Bell]

They’re not null-town though.
They’re just barely above water.

[Bell]

I will not be advocating for one of the remaining gentlemen to be saved in particular.

[Bell]

Oh, I don’t think we disagree.

[Bell]

Fire’s sudden interest in Lavar death is interesting to me.

Lavar def feels insidious.

[Bell]

Page flop!

[Bell]

i'm too tired from hosting superbowl to pay attention, posting tomorrow lol

Wasn’t that yesterday.

[Bell]

I did want to ask, who did you want to pair with FIR?
I don’t think you’ve mentioned it.
I remember you being pretty in love with Cephrir last dance game and spent some time nurturing that read.

[Bell]

Lavar is giving me bad vibes.

[Bell]

You’ll be an old spinster at this rate!

[Bell]

Oh? You shouldn’t have.

[Bell]

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_shouldn%27t_have

[Bell]

Wow. Thank you so much!

[Bell]

Cabs mafia

Agreed.

[Bell]

Are you guys really arguing that Ffery has a Bell problem.

[Bell]

I know i'm not scum doing that tho, and i'm one of the main proponents of scum-ffery

The other loud people pushing that that come to mind are cakez, fire (in the beginning) and idk if they would approach the game with the pov of: i need to tilt town-ffery

Like ig who do you think is scum who is doing this?

Like sure i can see you doing this, but i don't think you're pushing ffery as scum particularly loudly

@cabd

Wow, my posts really do bounce off of you.

[Bell]

I don’t even know if I have reads this game.
It’s been hard to get a real grasp on it.

In spite of being told I’m wrong,

I’m still sitting at

spiffeh-Dragon-HST. Town.
The dragon got points for how they talked to ff.

And I think ff and ydra are scum.

I don’t have a real opinion about anybody else’s alignments.

Maybe a very small scum lean on LLD. Because of their FB interaction feeling similar to an interaction I had with them last time they were scum, but I think just in general they arm twist pretty hard when someone doesn’t do what they want.

[Bell]

Congratulations on the scum win Sircakez, I saw you when you said, “Gee, I can’t believe I was right in limlo for once!”

[Bell]

Im here and around but I am not really feeling much to comment on tbh, my positions are stated now and nothing is changing my mind so far

Apologies, where are your positions stated?

[Bell]

I’m fine giving you two maximum time to try to solve the game without actually sparing either of you.

[Bell]

I don't like your pick of people to flip, it goes counter ro my view of the game and i'm not confident we should just 'kill people and let'a see where we are' or that this is a game plan that will lead to success

Pedit interesting thought, elaborate?

How would you like us to proceed? A no elimination?

[Bell]

Skitter’s been kind of out of step with foundational knowledge in game. I’m not sure what, if anything, to make of it.

Randomly accusing people of bussing is a time honored tradition.

[Bell]

I think you’re focusing too much on their exact wording and not enough with the sentiment, you don’t actually have to take what they’re saying literally,

You can dismantle it and say that LLD finds this group of people scummy and we should kill here first.

A lot of players (ad populim I know),
Would say that grouping and eliminating for a list is scummy and a scum tell,
But like, I dislike that scum tell and think it’s silly.

[Bell]

This is space Bell here, just thought I’d pop in to say hi.

Space Bell asks: if people agree to spare you for the whole game day but you’re the elimination, how precisely are you guys going to get good data to hunt when any push isn’t likely going to mean much of anything.

I would have stepped in if it got out of hand though and it looked like you two were unavailable.

I dunno what LLD is referring to though because I thought they were making a joke about all the posts you two would make which is a way of pushing on it rather than not.

Instead they’re telling me to figure it out myself.
Which just makes me think they’re planning to leave it there as a pivot for later. Which I don’t necessarily find it scummy so much as kind of uncollaborative.

[Bell]

Then you should probably say it now unless my reading is bad.

[Bell]

I dunno what scum could not have thought of. The game seems fairly free of ledges/divots.

[Bell]

If I were scum I wouldn’t have probably thought of it!

[Bell]

About the thing.
You know.
THAT thing.

[Bell]

He is merely creatively interpreting the facts!

[Bell]

All these quips I’m making and nobody complaining about it makes me sad because I’m kind of polluting the game.

I’ll slow down and or make sure my quip to post ratio is less uneven.

[Bell]

I actually think enchant might be town here but don't feel like arguing it with LLD.

Also why is everyone townreading Gypyx, I am going to be honest i am just trusting everyone who says Gypyx is town so i haven't really thought of the slot

I’m neutral on them. They haven’t said or done much.

[Bell]

I actually think enchant might be town here but don't feel like arguing it with LLD.

Also why is everyone townreading Gypyx, I am going to be honest i am just trusting everyone who says Gypyx is town so i haven't really thought of the slot

i think a lot of people are not townreading gypyx, who is everyone

I think the game state earlier was of the lean town consensus. Naturally they diminished when they went on vacation.

[Bell]

Sorry, Cabd.

[Bell]

I recommend that all the remaining gents propose to all the remaining ladies and let them pick.

[Bell]

There's more depth of thought and nuanced thinking than i remember there being; office day so i'll be around (and can quote examples) later

Is that townie?

[Bell]

obfuscating isn’t really the name of the game here.

[Bell]

Then why won't you accept already.

They have not received permission from their forebears and ancestors. The matchmakers are still bickering as the sun rises.

I kind of prefer it though, as odd as it is it’s probably one of the few townie things SC has done but for whatever reason, Idon’t actually think scum do it less.

[Bell]

FB I want to congratulate you.
I dunno why, but I think you’re scum this game.
No, I know it doesn’t make sense. FB, scum?
No, they’re the towniest town person to have ever towned, why they even made a joke about suiciding. No scum would do that. I don’t actually know why they flipped it to they were serious when LLD arm twisted them for saying it.

Were they serious?
I dunno!
But it’s a good thing I’m worried about LLD too so that it doesn’t actually matter which of you is scum and apparently you have both decided that your expiration date is day 2.

For some inexplicable reason.

[Bell]

I am also endlessly paranoid about Lavar purely based on feels of insidiousness and general aura of malevolence.

[Bell]

Happy Valentine’s Day FB, I hope you enjoyed my scum read present!

[Bell]

I’d be super mad at ff for their absurd FB wouldn’t push me first if they were scum.
If they were town and I were scum,
Happily, I am not.
But like. Why do you think the first person to push you is likely town and the hanger’s on are scum?

Like as a rule of thumb in game of a bunch of strangers that makes sense. Or with newer players, but I don’t think anyone in this game has less than a year of playing mafia under their belt.

[Bell]

Your subdued acknowledgement of my suspicion of you is not appreciated FB!

Please do something wildly scummy!

[Bell]

Why do I feel like I’m scum this game when I’m town.

[Bell]

If it helps ur scumread strengthen at all, I have suicided in dance games as scum before

For the love of god, why, lol.

[Bell]

You’re lucky there are no bad dogs FB, I can’t stay mad at you nor hold you accountable for past and or future crimes against win con for fuzzy rationales and/or the lolz.

[Bell]

Does anyone think I’m scum this game or am I where I normally am by day end.

[Bell]

Rude, I keep up.
Kind of.

[Bell]

I get town also wants to not get left behind and there aren't many options left but he really jumped at the opportunity to pair up as soon as someone explicitly said they would accept his request, despite not really discussing pair up options beforehand. Lol maybe I'm tunneled but he just looks like scum to me.

I didn't have time to catch up on everything I missed, but it seemed like it'd be good to move the game along w/ a proposal.

I also think I've been pretty clear wrt my doubts of fireisred.

Also, RCE what's ur motivation in saying you'd like to dance w/ cakez but not actualy proposing?

Mmm

[Bell]

I’m still interested in the answer to the question they asked. So don’t take my mmm to mean you don’t have to answer it RCE.

[Bell]

I’m not sure if RCE’s lack of self preservation skills is a sign of their alignment.

What do you think, RCE? Are you normally unassertive? I can’t really remember.

[Bell]

It depends on the playerlist and the game I guess. I’ve never been in a dance game but I figured I’d try one. It’s not really my game style and my wim has suffered for it.

C’mon if you’re gunna try new things, you might as well do it with enthusiasm.

[Bell]

He has a point. Can’t believe Fire was the one to say it tbh.

[Bell]

I wanna leave Lavar out. With ECe a close second.

Inexplicably I want enchant to live.

[Bell]

I wanna leave Lavar out. With ECe a close second.

Inexplicably I want enchant to live.

X

Use your words.

[Bell]

If it helps ur scumread strengthen at all, I have suicided in dance games as scum before

For the love of god, why, lol.

(Didn't we have a disagreement abt whether or not fire would suicide as scum, and you townreading him b/c what scum would do that?)

I acknowledge this.
Mea culpa and touché both.
It is really bad play in almost every circumstance though.

[Bell]

I’m pretty ambivalent on Skitter, I recall them being pretty dry in Tenet though and I kind of think we naturally clash. They give off slight Titus vibes.

[Bell]

no offense to ydrasse, but i usually don't listen to the ICs.

Boo to generalization and stereotyping.

Boo.

[Bell]

I hear you, but like, already reversed my read there.

[Bell]

FIR will run rings around anyone in a neighborhood if they’re scum.

[Bell]

It does look like a scum pt post, yeah.

[Bell]

Shoot my bad team
Anyways, Bell where does ur scumread on me even come from. It's been pretty apparent, but I can't find much reasoning besides some vague tonal things. I still think ur town, so work with me here plz.

When you said agree to disagree, I disagreed.

[Bell]

Can you explain why you’re uncomfortable pairing with FIR and why you feel the need to force a read to pair with them.

If your aim was to pair with a townie player you kind of went about it in very flawed manner.

[Bell]

You have to work with the reality life hands you not the one you would prefer.

[Bell]

i'm not convinced that's a slip
in other news i'm low-key scumreading cabd

They are almost never actual slips.
Nobody truly believes it.
It’s just something you do to put pressure on someone to get a better idea of what they’re saying and thinking.

Lavar is trying to pry my grip off of them.
I find that largely unreadable.

[Bell]

If that post was actually a scumflip then that was a great getaway answer. Although Bell shouldn’t have helped him out like that. Best way to determine if something is a scumslip is to not feed anything and let themselves make themself clear or let them blow themselves up.

Oh. I apologize. I didn’t realize I mistepped.

[Bell]

Personally I don’t think it was scumslip anyway because in order for that to be one the next post had to be one too due to how natural it flowed (and <3 min time, most likely with post button being interrupted by Spiffeh thrrr)

Your time keeping feels like voodoo!

[Bell]

I’m not sure if I should be surprised or not that LLD just argued enchant should die instead of flooding the game saying the same thing. But, iunno.
It doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t care about the outcome that much.

[Bell]

HST's reaction to the "scum slip" is incredibly town, btw

Yeah, I guess, since it’s pretty clearly from the perspective of someone active lurking and deciding not to interfere with a ready rationale for why they did that and why they thought it was townie to do so.

They’ve been trying really hard to get town read though and that scares me!

[Bell]

You know what I think last two posts makes Lavar town.

The floor is yours sir.
Tell me why Lavar’s town.

[Bell]

Eh, I think they could easily have just been afraid of rejection.

Ah. Polite scum.

Fuck.

[Bell]

Eh. This is what I mean though. Lavar’s last two posts are super townie, but their posts before it aren’t really, their grammar also improved.
And they stopped typing like they’re using their grandma’s flip phone.

[Bell]

Insincere, but not necessarily scum.

[Bell]

This isn’t what I mean though.
I was going on about something else and this is just unrelated.

I used it incorrectly, the turn of phrase, I mean.

[Bell]

Bell can you devote some words to your ffery scum read?

I feel like I already did.

1. I think how they approached suspicion of them was scummy.
2. I think their confidence in some reads and not others feels wrong. I do think the first player they pushed as obv town is town though.
Though I already forgot who they were talking about.

[Bell]

I know there was a whole thing about how FF as scum has a guilt complex when pushed and they would never be underhanded as scum because that reflects a self esteem or willingness to lower themselves to get town read. Or at least, left alone.

But I just think it’s on the tin. Their engagement just isn’t right.

[Bell]

Eh, I think they could easily have just been afraid of rejection.

Ah. Polite scum.

Fuck.

Why would someone being afraid of rejection would openly state that they are forcing a fake read to request to dance? Like, sure, transparency doesn’t always mean town, but I don’t think that’s the case here.

Was talking about RCE.

[Bell]

Since ultimately it’s up to FIR.
I’d be super grateful if you gave a solve Lavar!
Sorry for trying to murder you and then ask for things to help me out.
I can be kind of a jerk.

[Bell]

But if there’s one thing that absolutely will help you survive it’s a real reads list,
Since enchant is incapable of advocating for themselves! They can’t compete with your resume. Because theirs is just a picture of a fairy!

[Bell]

Thanks Lavar! I know it wasn’t for me but I appreciate it none the less!

[Bell]

Alright, this isn't for you Bell, but for the rest of the game in case I die

Thoughts:
firebringer/skitter - they've both pinged me positively in the sense that they both frequently produce original thoughts and question old ones. I would keep an eye on what kind of reads they're trying to push through, but none of them seem malicious so far imo

fferyllt/cabd - I still think a lot of her posts sound very manufactured and stilted, but it's growing on me more that perhaps she is just indignant town. On the other hand, I don't have as great of a grasp on Cabd. It feels like he has a lot of presence in the thread, but he doesn't seem to be solving as much comparatively. This is sort of a cop out, but my final verdict is that yall should hold them accountable and make sure they exit before intermission. I'm glad they don't seem opposed.

sircakez/gypyx - I agree w/ what spiffeh said about cakez, and fsr idt scum!cakez would care to question why I didn't say anything about rce proposing to him. Gypyx sounds p pure and genuine in questioning/attacking, and apparently is not known to enjoy scum so i think it's safe to go town here. Out of the two, I think I'm more confident in cakez being town, but I lump them together because it seems like there's noticable deviation from their typical scumgame.

std - I still have no clue why he achieved consensus town so quickly in the game, but his recent interactions w/ cabd and ff seem pretty earnest which I like. Honestly, there's a paranoia with this slot, but I can't rlly justify it so ig it's a case of more data needed

lld - Don't remember her too much recently, but probably in std tier

spiffeh - scum if ff town, town if ff scum. Ok, that's sorta lazy, but I also feel like his reads are a bit suspect (so many townreads, only me+fireisred as scum?). Keep an eye on this guy

rce - stated in prev post

bell/hst - still think this pair should endgame. Overall body of work + individual moments

rh9/ydrasse/fireisred/enchant - no comment

[Bell]

I feel bad for sorry this and even worse if I’m wrong.

But I guess Lavar is town here. They’re at least pretty good at faking a town mindset and a town perspective in terms of reads and read development.

Except for the no comment thing.
That part sucks.

[Bell]

I read it again with a more skeptical eye and now I’m less sure.
@_@

[Bell]

ill pair up tomorrow morning i am somewhat conflicted

Somewhat?

[Bell]

I think there have been quite a few players that care who lives and dies here. Multiple players have weighed in. It could be pointless and players that are power scum definitely would have weighed in heavier if they cared about the outcome (albeit, I’m not sure how you’d go about defending enchant beyond what has already been posted and pointing at the other player).

Mainly the townier players have weighed in the most. While other players have weighed in only slightly which may be why you’ve noticed that there seems to be a lack of care in the outcome.

Minus skitter. Who has both weighed in and isn’t blindingly townie.

[Bell]

It depends how you define weighing in, I don’t consider the last post by LLD or Cabd weighing in because they were low effort posts.

[Bell]

Which player do you want to live FB?

[Bell]

Makes sense to me.

[Bell]

If you don’t want to choose FIR, I’d be happy to just take responsibility and have you pick enchant to pair with.

….this may be the greatest mistake I’ve ever offered to make.

[Bell]

No shit, it’s improbable to you.
It’s just improbable. Because any combination of three names is improbable at this stage of the game.

[Bell]

Man, I worry we’re going to eat ourselves alive.
But that’s for newbie games.
We’d never make that mistake.

[Bell]

No. They explicitly said they might want Lavar because they seem
More sortable.

[Bell]

“if i take into consideration the factor of "if they're both town, who am i more likely to find as town?" i am also conflicted lol. lavar as a playstyle feels like one id be more able to read over time, but enchant also can be somewhat polarized, and if they're town and decide they actually feel like playing the game at some point then i think id be relatively likely to find them”
-FIR.

Sorry, I took this to mean that you’re less confident sorting enchant than Lavar based on playstyle.

[Bell]

I am absolutely a filthy liar though.

[Bell]

Poor guy.

[Bell]

If it were me I would have chosen Lavar because of their Charmeleon avatar. Charmander supremacy.

[Bell]

This is all everybody else’s fault.

[Bell]

Bye!

[Bell]

So cabd was the scum.

[Bell]

And ff and I are more similar than I thought.
Yikes.

Well, I suck indeed.

[Bell]

I’ll sheep you and I love you FF and I’m sorry forever.

[Bell]

I’m glad Cabd’s dead though.

[Bell]

Yo.

[Bell]

If you don’t want to choose FIR, I’d be happy to just take responsibility and have you pick enchant to pair with.

….this may be the greatest mistake I’ve ever offered to make.

For posterity.

[Bell]

HST made a massive case on RH9 before they died just fyi. I say this because I cannot be the only person embarrassed here, assuming they aren’t scum that intentionally did that.

Alas, I live to scum side another day.

[Bell]

This is a mess and i'm annoyed abt the present state of this game

I’m not. Enchant really should not have killed themselves there, they’re going for soft advantages in exchange for hard ones.
Then again, I’m bad scum and Cabd is not, so.

[Bell]

HST made a massive case on RH9 before they died just fyi. I say this because I cannot be the only person embarrassed here, assuming they aren’t scum that intentionally did that.

Alas, I live to scum side another day.

I hate you.

I love you too.

[Bell]

This is a mess and i'm annoyed abt the present state of this game

I’m not. Enchant really should not have killed themselves there, they’re going for soft advantages in exchange for hard ones.
Then again, I’m bad scum and Cabd is not, so.

I'm kinda assuminv that was planned by the team overall, no?

Likw i don't think that was lol-leaving from enchant

I hope it wasn’t, but with enchant it’s hard to know for sure lol.

[Bell]

@FB: that’s an emergency decision so before i process everything else, it’s panda.

[Bell]

Ydra did nothing and died.
She was the perfect innocent child.

Imoimo.

[Bell]

I am genuinely sorry about fucking up on the Lavar/enchant choice.
And ff thing, though the ff thing didn’t have a direct influence on the game from a numbers perspective.

I’m reluctant to take a back seat here even though I think there are players that will call me out for daring to give another read or opinion.

I suppose I’m up for just sheeping FF though!

[Bell]

skitter, what's your read on LLD?
Like, none of this "idk she's too good of a player so needs to die :^)"

Idk but if i had to pick, scum
Functionally doesn't matter because she's not making endgame

It does matter.

[Bell]

LLD wants a turn at the wheel and they set themselves up for that last day phase.

[Bell]

She doesn’t have to make it to end game. To do as much damage as possible if she’s scum.
It’s a fight I’m reluctant to pick for obvious reasons though.

I’ll just watch.
But yeah. It does matter.

[Bell]

She's basically said she would suicide as soon as shs gets a wrong pairing, and so has fire

So functionally ... doesn't matter

….you know the last time I said scum would never suicide and then enchant and Cabd Suicided one on top of the other.

[Bell]

And cabd doesn’t suck.
It’s like they did it just specifically to spite me.

[Bell]

I'm fine picking that fight
And i will pick it if she's wrong

Pedit right so not suiciding would be a bad indicator here

Pedit2 it's a large reason why i'm townreading you tbh, your stance is wild if that was the plan

Ah yes, the “scum wouldn’t possibly embarrass themselves” tell.

It’s a good one.
It doesn’t work on Dunnstral though.

[Bell]

I do think HST is town. At this time. I do have paranoia, but it’s just that. Paranoia.

[Bell]

I find spiffeh scum, mildly unlikely.

[Bell]

I would defend HST but they’ve been posting fine all game so as long as they continue to do they should fade away on their own.

[Bell]

I would refrain from making assumptions.
All I know is that Cabd had a game plan.
That somehow involved him killing himself and then enchant.
They thought that was a good idea.
They thought that was a good idea. …

[Bell]

Spiffeh, LLD, Skitter. FB.

Spiffeh and Skitter are both getting pulled into LLD’s argument that they deserve a turn.

I don’t know why Skitter thinks LLD deserves a turn when they haven’t had a turn yet(?).

Gyphx, SC, RCE, STD.

[Bell]

Genuinely I think we have to win this game because I feel vaguely insulted.

[Bell]

Cabd and Enchant killed themselves and that’s mathematically the wrong play. They think the soft advantage they gained by doing it made up for the math being bad.

It’s like they decided to play with a handicap.

[Bell]

LLD, my argument is that you’re here to run the yards so that your team can get a touch down at the end.

Uh. But that’s only if you’re scum.

[Bell]

How’d skitter’s and your (enigma)
Neighborhood good over the break?

[Bell]

I need to talk to Gyphx. About how they show their town.

I kind of need them to do so, since I feel pretty comfortable with town binning Spiff.

[Bell]

I need to talk to Gyphx. About how she shows she’s town.

I kind of need her to do so, since I feel pretty comfortable with town binning Spiff.

Ebwop.

[Bell]

How was neighborhood chat Spiff?

[Bell]

I don’t think HST is scum, I know their main and they’ve kind of been in a scum funk lately. Trust ff there.

[Bell]

I don’t think HST is scum, I know their main and they’ve kind of been in a scum funk lately. Trust ff there.

I want to trust in FF’ solve but also my strongest 2 townreads are you/skitter.

You don’t have to trust their solve. Just trust the HST read. It was one of their more confident ones and they had the prerequisite reasoning.

[Bell]

FB already made the historical case that scum just always kill t-t pairings IC pairings and that significantly weakens the “well they needed to kill the obvious town pair, the fact they didn’t says a lot”

It pretty much says nothing apparently.

[Bell]

The fact we’re alive has more to do with the IC pairing than that one of us is scum.

[Bell]

I had an email etiquette training and I was told that all caps was bad because they might think you’re yelling at someone.

[Bell]

Compared to this day phase, I would not say you extensively and loudly pushed for their death.

You didn’t even use all caps.

[Bell]

Good ahead LLD, get this game on lock.
I’ll be over here taking my own notes.

[Bell]

Hi std how did neighborhood chat go?

[Bell]

Hi std how did neighborhood chat go?

Fine

I threatened to leave

Didn't love skitters reaction

Tempted to sheep fferys read on skitter

We will see

spicy that skitter didn’t mention this

It sure is. /:

[Bell]

@HST: Firebringer answered this.
Apparently scum have ALWAYS killed the IC pair if they were both town during N1.
So it’s probably best not to think too hard on it.

[Bell]

and everyone in this game is so good I really shouldn't trust any of y'all

Yeah, I’m really playing well this game.

[Bell]

I’m unhappy that Skitter didn’t bring up the STD pressure in their neighborhood.

Likewise I would appreciate if STD would explain what they do not like about Skitter.

Firebringer, did you try to do any solving with LLD or was it just LLD throwing a frisbee and you fetching the whole time.

[Bell]

Should I just assume that HST would never stoop to fake miss post a brain dump in the main thread meant for the PT.

I like that it doesn’t really go anywhere though.
More town points.

Need gyphx to figuratively post their role PM in thread.

Badly.

[Bell]

Miscommunication, I wasn’t asking if you had interrogated LLD in a neighborhood. I was asking if you had done any solving *with* LLD. I just wanted to know what was said and done there.

[Bell]

I’m told that we literally need to find one other town pair to win.

Please try your best.

[Bell]

I’m hopping back and forth between LLD and Skitter.

With a side of RCE/Sircakez in the background.

I really think we’d be better off just finding one more town pairing and then just eliminating in no particular order as long as we painfully, carefully, excruciatingly make sure it’s actually a bin.

[Bell]

Spiffeh,
Please shake Gyphx until her alignment falls out.
Actually if everyone could shake gyphx until their alignment falls out I’d appreciate it.

[Bell]

I think this is it. There’s only one intermission and we’re in second dance now.

[Bell]

Is there an intermission after X players alive in second dance? Or can people just leave whenever?

no inter

*shakes Gyphx*
Brain dump every thought you’ve ever had in this game or about this game.

[Bell]

also its 4 am why is everyone up

Last few weeks I keep waking up and falling back to sleep. It sucks.

[Bell]

Yes, I am pretty okay with betting the game on me reading my role PM right and HST being town for *checks notes*
4 different reasons?

[Bell]

Gyphx isn’t town spewing.

[Bell]

I believe in you Gyphx. You can do this.
Try again. But this time just use run on sentences and blab about everything related to the game. Rather than some half assed reads list.

[Bell]

I don't want to pick the endgame town pair yet, we still have several eliminations

Are you volunteering to be eliminated first? Because it kind of sounds like it!

[Bell]

My read on RCE is improving toward a town read.
I dunno where they suddenly found motivation for this game tho.

[Bell]

bell if i could hit a "townspew" button on command i think i would do it

like shit, tf you want me to say? i just don't have it, sorry

i assume you're looking for something in specific or something but like it's very annoying to face from my POV and the thoughts just aren't comming

Sigh, nothing is ever easy. I’m largely looking for an HST post, like the one you called fake.

[Bell]

Why aren’t you able to ramble on like HST did?

[Bell]

Bell I’m not really sold on ffer’s solve and by extension their reads. Bet I’m super willing to believe that you trust their read on HST.

I was townreading HST for pre dance and the paranoia is really only because of the exits (same with lld) so I’m just going to accept you’re a t/t pair.

Being transparent I don’t even 100% trust my reads outside of Bell!town.

Skitter I scumread most of the back half of predance. The olive branch to the unpaired slots made me think they were positioning for more power from the less popular pairs. That’s only really likely if all of myself/Lavar/enchant were town.

Also thought they were pushing rh9 up to be paired ahead of those three so rh9+skitter was the scum pair I was thinking of.

Also didn’t like fbs rh9 interactions. But rh9 flipping town makes fb probably town. Shocking take, I know. But FB was the first person I remember being vocal about rh9!town and I don’t think it would have been necessary from scum!FB?

These posts look good to me, the second reads as pretty natural.

[Bell]

Please refrain from pushing doubt on or trying to get my pairing killed if you can’t obvtown.
Try something else.

[Bell]

Why do you think HST is scum?

[Bell]

Why do you lean more town after their icky post?

[Bell]

Skitter made a post about how they expected to hold LLD accountable if they missed. If they expect to be dead they can’t hold them accountable.

[Bell]

Can everyone provide a list (top 4) strongest town reads. I want to use that list to try and focus down on who I want everyone to work together to try and sort.

[Bell]

Bell, HST, Spiffy, RCE.

RCE may change/slot out very fast but based on posting rate and general posting I find it unlikely the other two are likely to dive into my scum reads.

[Bell]

Gyphx, FB, LLD, STD, SC.

Give your lists.

[Bell]

Cabd why are u so confident on gypyx-town?

Wait, seriously?

I genuinely thought this would be a universal town read.

She's like, so transparently town that she's seeing the doctor due to ongoing green colored shits. (I recommend fiber)

374 is my biggest sticking point though! The way in which she immediately and urgently jumps down Turtle's throat for a read on me (which hey, there's no ACTUAL guarantee that Spay and I nuke ourselves and don't make town do it) puts her right in the forefront of the conversation about two players who, if she's mafia and my call on spay is right, are ABSOLUTELY going to be having their reads listened to after death?

That's a take no prisoners town approach and I am HERE for it.

Bell, thoughts?

I think it’s somewhat interesting that there is a small subset of slots that Cabd gave some semblance of a read on outside of Ffer. Those being (Enchant, gypyx, std, lld, spiffeh…somewhat).

But this is the only one I’d say they gave depth to. Only difference with ffer is they were openly vocal about their towniness and with gypyx it was in the spot prompting.

I’m not really making any conclusive jumps on the interactions with lld since they don’t lead anywhere tangible.

I’m trying to sort Gyphx on my own, since she’s actually the key to winning this game if she’s town.
To be frank I’ve only been interested in Cabd’s town game. I don’t know much about how they approach the game as scum beyond cutthroat, goal directed, etc. I think how they approached Gyphx follows that same goal directed behavior. You can, I think so it in how they outwardly read me and gently tipped the scales on Lavar (not that they really needed to do that).

Top 4 please I forgot to ask you too.

[Bell]

I don’t have an answer, my initial feeling from an outside of Cabd specific experience is that they’re informed and saying they should totally be town binned.

But you see,
That’s what they want me to think.

[Bell]

Can everyone provide a list (top 4) strongest town reads. I want to use that list to try and focus down on who I want everyone to work together to try and sort.

24 hours. Missing RCE, SC, LLD.

[Bell]

I’m very impatient!

[Bell]

*squints*

Is it a pinkie promise?

[Bell]

Deal. Pinkie promise, go.

[Bell]

I still need those reads though. LLD, SC, RCE.

[Bell]

Where do you live? Wikipedia says we have to cross pinkie fingers for that

It’s okay, a verbal pinkie promise using the following template will do.

“I ____ Pinky promise that I am aligned with the town in Kemusan dance game If this contract is breached I am liable for penalties outlined in line 4, subsection 2. “

Penalities:
Line 4, subsection 2: If found in breach of contract by a third, neutral partyI will be liable for damages for breach of contract and shall pay five(5,000,000) millions dollars to the injured party.

[Bell]

If spiff and gyphx are both town how does scum win here?

Scum pair?

[Bell]

Give me your four town top town reads before you go

[Bell]

I shall make my long awaited return tomorrow

Poke.

[Bell]

So i kinda think hst is scum here
I'm having a hard time parsing where remaining scum is and I feel like someone i'm townreading i shouldn't be

Lmk, when that kinda becomes more confident.

[Bell]

Btw, the only reason I'm not drowning this game in an avalanche of posts is because I'm universally town read.
I read half the game again instead and am mulling over stuff, I got yelled at for quote walling By penguin 2 games ago, so I'm trying not to, but it's hard when I wanna discuss things.

Spiffeh has moved to top of "this can't possibly be scum" pile and they're a chronic worrier, so I desperately wanna spam worry together.

[Bell]

Sync achieved.

VOTE: Gyphx

[Bell]

Okay.

[Bell]

*deep breathes*

It’s okay Bell you got this.

[Bell]

Nah, nevermind.

Let’s just murder FB/LLD, SC/RCE,

[Bell]

I hate people.

[Bell]

Well.
Ugh.

[Bell]

Well, time to test my theory that LLD and FB are the scum pair.

[Bell]

And by that I mean, we lose rn if that’s the case so.