JOAT uPick | FIN!

[Titus]

As a note, I am not feeling well IRL. Any accidental gibberish is brain related. Let's have a nice and wholesome game.

Bell, I do not.

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Hi all, and nice to meet you. Except the person who posted before me.

I'm very excited to be here, the mod was generous enough in accepting my play (some from another site that no longer fully exists outside of archive.org) and some other data to let me join everyone.

I lead a very busy life, so I fully admit that I'm a touch concerned with keeping up given the few games I skimmed before signing up seemed to be very large in page count. But, I'm confident I'll have fun and do my best anyways.

I did want to go ahead and guide discussion towards the uniqueness of a bunch of known one-shot roles, and how that might warp the midgame? Specifically, I think this makes day four or so the more appropriate venue for a massclaim, but that does operate around the assumption that most everyone is going to be firing off their roles early. Additionally, since all investigative are by definition one-shots, is there any reason NOT to have a start-of-day mass hypo-claim? I'm not sure how one would handle lighter investigative roles, and protective ones. I'm also curious as to how everyone thinks we should approach refunded shots? As in, if your shot is refunded, do you claim that without claiming what the item refunded was? Should we just stay silent? Should we full claim everything that was blocked and refunded? My thoughts are less settled there.

Oh and uh, VOTE: Lemon.Tangerine for being one more citrus than I can handle.

I'll get back to you on this.

As of now, I have one role that absolutely should not fire night 1 and one that I probably will. However, I'm not a fan of mass hypo claiming. Let's passively get to know each other and coordinate that way.

Nice to meet you.

Can you describe the type of roles on your site?

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i am striking against the capitalist overlords by refusing to produce content without compensation

Can a hug count as compensation? Your avatar looks so hugable.

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i am striking against the capitalist overlords by refusing to produce content without compensation

Can a hug count as compensation? Your avatar looks so hugable.

titus is a capitalist overlord she is trying to compensate me

gottem

Aww no you misunderstand. We stand as one and get our compensation from the overlords. Some members just need more help than others. Gotta stop them overlords from picking on people.

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LTO, we generally use [spoiler*= Your Header Here] [ /spoiler] tags because then you don't have to highlight them.

Also, you're in for a treat. I don't expect something too wacky from you if that's the depth of your exposure. We've seen some wacky shit.

Spoiler: Example

This is how neat spoilers work.

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Aww no you misunderstand. We stand as one and get our compensation from the overlords. Some members just need more help than others. Gotta stop them overlords from picking on people.

I am willing to reruit you into my

cult

amazing union to fight for workers right and just compensation from the evil capitalist overlords

We can be the

cult

union of the wholesome fedoras!

Welcome Dr. Drew!

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as a totally not corrupt union leader I promise I will not take dues from my members to fund my cocaine habit until the struggle to free mafiascum from the evil capitalist roaders has succeeded

As long as your cocaine habit fuels wholesomeness, we're good to go.

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stop voting my union buster ally

its ok I dont mind her kicking my ass again she at least does it with style

tbf ur ass is very kickable =]

Are you the evil to my wholesome this game?

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stop voting my union buster ally

its ok I dont mind her kicking my ass again she at least does it with style

tbf ur ass is very kickable =]

Are you the evil to my wholesome this game?

idk what ur talking about, u want to support the dirty evil unions.
I am here to free people from those shackles of oppression.
Union Busters are the unsung heroes of old.

I'll just mark you as a double agent. You're too bad to be bad. We'll get you in a fedora eventually. Muahahaha!

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also even if pooky union was as benevolent as he says.
Do u really trust pooky as a leader with THAT MUCH POWER!?!?!?!?

Look at that bear.


LOOK AT HIM

Do you trust him that much you think his intentions so pure that he can't be corrupt on the inside.


The dude looks like a 1930s mafioso!

You remember my old avi right?

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You remember my old avi right?

The women with a mafia hat in a black suit?

Trenchcoat yeah. Looked like a 30s mafioso lol.

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VOTE: Relativistic Harmony

There can only be one queen of wholesome in the union.

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Depends if you want the header or not. :)Both work.

One of mine was modified in a minor bit as well. Spirit still remained.

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VOTE: Joyboy

Let's wagon the unwholesome! Eerie cheer. Let's go.

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Can I get some milk?

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One latte and milk coming up!

Would you like to add foam art or a side of cookies?

Cookies are made with love. Ty. I can share them with a friend.

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LTO, you're reminding me of me way back when. The point of roleplay here is to read multiple players based on gut feels and prior interactions. When I started, I didn't get it much either. The posts aren't meant for logic but for vibes.

Joyboy and Broccoli aren't reading well to me. Relative isn't far behind.

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prior interactions

But doesn't this not work given a player is aware of their own past more so than anyone else? I can begrudgingly accept the vibes approach, even if to me it feels like a complete waste of mental energy. Is it expected to go read the prior games of players before playing with them?

No. I detest meta myself. It's more of my way of reaching out to players with different styles than me and learning. Right now my reads are based off tone, which is my weakest part.

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Some parts of a player's personality are near immutable. For instance, I am a mama hen to those I see as on my side usually and try to work with them but not at the expense of my truth. A rare exception is bussing and that usually comes with a warning.

I can logic my way out of almost anything given enough data.

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Hey Joyboy, you voted for LadyTerminallyOffline, and when asked about it by several people you transitioned to this weird all caps roleplay and ignored them.

Ah, this is unfortunate. I saw it too but was hoping it would go unnoticed so that I could get more information out of the situation.

Not that anyone wants to engage on it besides us apparently.

I did ask for a joyboy wagon...

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Hey Joyboy, you voted for LadyTerminallyOffline, and when asked about it by several people you transitioned to this weird all caps roleplay and ignored them.

Ah, this is unfortunate. I saw it too but was hoping it would go unnoticed so that I could get more information out of the situation.

Not that anyone wants to engage on it besides us apparently.

I have been comrades with Joyboy in a previous revolution. He sadly did the exact same thing. Given historical determinism, we can expect ALL CAPS forever and discussions of meat soon

(And for the no-fun crew who don't like roleplaying, I'll get bored with this communist-manifesto-shitposting bit in a couple days and then start actually trying)

*grabs shovel*

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Thoughts on joyboy hst?

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Why do you have nothing?

Lemon, why?

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I DO NOT VIEW TITUS' WAGONING ME EVER AS A DAY 1 WOLF STRATEGY. IF SHE CLAIMED THE ONE PIECE, SHE WOULD NEVER DO SUCH A THING!
SHE WILL BE A FINE ADDITION TO MY PIRATE CREW
HAHAHAHAHAHA

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Being any of you three playing together a lot sounds exhausting. Is it always like this?

Can we talk about other things?

Does FireBringer have a real set of reads yet?

Stop taking Fire and crew seriously. I relate to you and trying to read people based off emotion instead of logic.

I try to leave both to be readable, but due to my brain being wired differently and my skill as scum, I'm rarely universally TRed day 1. Worries me that I am.

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if you just want me to order them in an order of how strongly I feel about each of them it'd be like this:

Towniest

Firebringer
LTO
RelativisticHarmony
HST
Titus
Laplacian

Townleans:
Dunnstral
Lemon
Ircher

least townie

This makes me feel a bit better on my cocaine addicted teddy.

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yea because he said I'd be humiliated for having a wrong read of him being scum

except i'd only be humiliated if I was town and he hasnt even claimed he's townreading me so he doesnt have any basis to say i'd be humiliated.

like his mental image of me in his head is supposed to be ???? Pooky ????

if anything, town!bell might think I'm mafia for incorrectly scumreading him since if I'm town I should be able to read him correctly.

but instead he's saying I'm town and i'll be humiliated because he's also town and I'm reading him incorrectly. but there's no way he'd have the mental image in his head of me being town and being humiliated for the wrong read since he shouldn't be thinking of me as town without actually townreading me - which he hasn't done yet.

Not defending but has Bell ever just automatically assumed everyone is town as town? That's my final decision marker.

@Bell can you provide proof of this?

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VOTE: ladyterminallyoffline

This can die in a fire. Doubly so if Bell is scum. LTO appears to be town, and if not will lead us to her allies. Plus, no limming the noob day 1.

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how I claim these things does and you’re not commenting on it.

why would I comment on it

Because you, as resident Bell tea leaf reader should know. I’m such an easy sort after all. That you should this is pretty out of character for me not to test the waters on stuff first before giving up information or making myself vulnerable.

Why shouldn't we kill you if you can talk after death? In the worst case, we'd get confirmation Pooky is wrong AND have a voice to listen to?

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Anyway inregards to our setup (i read someone posted it about being alot of 1-shot abilities which ofc it is lol) Id say that alot of ppl probably have much more creative abilities than on other forums.

Just a rumour i heard that setups are often more creative on mafiascum, sooo im expecting ppl to be doing more than complain abt union leaders lol

Aka throw nukes everywhere ty <3

Also n1 actions are gonna be p chaotic i assume bc 14 ppl all using joat actions lol (yes 15-1 is 14 after wagon)

So like what happens if everyone just kills another player?

Our noble group is 17 players, not 15. Likewise, we are blessed with a suite of one shots, made abundantly clear in the pre-game literature. Yet, this post is casual, nay, skeptical, about the existence of our one shots. Observe the hedging: "I read someone posted it", "a rumor", "probably have much more creative abilities". Our JOAT abilities were clear from the moment we signed up for the union!

COMRADES! I ask of you, why would a hard-working member of the proletariat ignore their unique skills and abilities? They would not. JOAT abilities are our way of interacting with the world, our way of finding information, our way of aiding and protecting allies, our way of furthering the perpetual march of progress! To ignore our skills is anathema to everything we stand for!

Therefore, there can be only one conclusion. Lemon.tangerine is a perfidious union-buster, as sour as his name. He has ignored his innate skills to focus on another ability, one shared with all scum. Murder.

VOTE: lemon.tangerine

Actually doesn’t this suggest otherwise? Omitting 2 players assumes 3-men team and if my brain still works correctly 17p usually has 4-men team, no?

I would indeed expect a 13-4 split; the foul bourgeoise would have sent no less than that to try, futile though it may be, to shatter our noble spirits. No, Lemon's omission of two comrades is a minor error that I would expect from distraction; instead the smoking gun of their perfidy comes from the skepticism of abilities. Reread their first sentence and tell me that it is not hedging, that is not feigned nonchalance. While the braying of Bell's possible slip still rings in our ears, lemon's words offer a far more damning perspective.

Yup, you and joyboy teamed.

Now maybe Bell, maybe TMI. Still you two are likely scum.

Bell's probably the lim so why fight it?

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Welp missed my pms. Brb.

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Something very odd just happened, will not say what

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VOTE: Bell

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i thought titus was supposed to be wholesome and here she is yelling at people to die in a fire.....

did the definition of wholesome change since the last time i checked

You're right. I should have said be surrounded by gentle flames while drinking from a "This is fine" mug until the flames gently and pleasurably suffocate the scum.

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Titus, please accept my pocket request thank you~

Oh pocketed. I'm kinda distracted bc work and my mind is stuck on confused mode.

Apparently at least two people have the same day action and both targeted me.

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Was anyone else already targeted?

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Second animal cult? We have a bear, a tiger, a cat and a cartoon cat.

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What's Bell at?

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Joyboy is more interesting that Bell

On my personal reads level, yeah. On a gameplay level, Bell. What's the downside in limming Bell?

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Joyboy is more interesting that Bell

On my personal reads level, yeah. On a gameplay level, Bell. What's the downside in limming Bell?

If i had to think of a downside it'd probably being unsure abt bell since from what i remember his posts could come from either alignment. I also checked back and i don't really get the slip comment on them.

Meanwhile Joyboy is a much more attractive vote in my eyes, same as Hu Tao maybe

Did you miss Bell can talk after death?

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Joyboy is more interesting that Bell

On my personal reads level, yeah. On a gameplay level, Bell. What's the downside in limming Bell?

If i had to think of a downside it'd probably being unsure abt bell since from what i remember his posts could come from either alignment. I also checked back and i don't really get the slip comment on them.

Meanwhile Joyboy is a much more attractive vote in my eyes, same as Hu Tao maybe

Did you miss Bell can talk after death?

Titus, why would killing a towns person be better than leaving them alive.

I'm not sure if you're town and you can talk after death so we don't really suffer downsides.

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There are obvious downsides to killing town.
Your perspective ignoring that is anti-town at best.

I don't read you as town and the burden to lim is lower given you aren't silenced.

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Okay and do you think you won’t be able to read me 50 pages from now?

Why would I want a day with 50 more pages when I feel like a good enough case is made and I have theories to test?

I'm not opposed to a joyboy or broccoli lim but I'd rather lim you.

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And why don’t you read me as town?
Why are you leading with “oh if he’s dead then I can still rely on him for commentary therefore he’s currently the best elimination”
Instead of a reason to scum read me?

I like Pooky's case. Not rocksolid and I asked you for evidence and got crickets.

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There are obvious downsides to killing town.
Your perspective ignoring that is anti-town at best.

I don't read you as town and the burden to lim is lower given you aren't silenced.

ew thats a yucky post, gives vibes of "It doesnt matter we can kill you anyway and you can still talk"

Fair. Uncharitable conclusion and phrasing but it is my stance. Much lower burden to vote if I still get an opinion.

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Joyboy is more interesting that Bell

On my personal reads level, yeah. On a gameplay level, Bell. What's the downside in limming Bell?

If i had to think of a downside it'd probably being unsure abt bell since from what i remember his posts could come from either alignment. I also checked back and i don't really get the slip comment on them.

Meanwhile Joyboy is a much more attractive vote in my eyes, same as Hu Tao maybe

Did you miss Bell can talk after death?

Titus, why would killing a towns person be better than leaving them alive.

I'm not sure if you're town and you can talk after death so we don't really suffer downsides.

Comrade, how could you say such a thing! If we assume that Bell is a noble comrade, the loss of his vote and loss of a potential 3rd, as-yet-unclaimed skill from Bell would be a loss of all of us in the union. While I myself am not wholly convinced of Bell's devotion to our socialist causes, this is a callous statement I would expect not from a forward-thinking comrade, but rather from the selfish bourgeoise and their jackbooted thugs.

Why would Bell have a third skill? Did scum get yhree skills?

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hey titus, as of now could you maybe look somewhere else that isnt bell?

I have. Joyboy and broccoli are acceptable.

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hey titus, as of now could you maybe look somewhere else that isnt bell?

I have. Joyboy and broccoli are acceptable.

K, whos broccoli?

Lap. He has the skull made of Broccoli as his avatar.

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hey titus, as of now could you maybe look somewhere else that isnt bell?

I have. Joyboy and broccoli are acceptable.

Note comrades, that after I call out Titus's words as being anti-union, she now casts aspersions on my vegeacious self! There is no supporting evidence in her words. Engels himself described this very action in his work

Behaviors of the Modern Capitalist

as an "OMGUS"

A simple ISO reveals this to be false.

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And why don’t you read me as town?
Why are you leading with “oh if he’s dead then I can still rely on him for commentary therefore he’s currently the best elimination”
Instead of a reason to scum read me?

I like Pooky's case. Not rocksolid and I asked you for evidence and got crickets.

I’m not giving you evidence of me being gotcha’d and being town. You’ve been playing mafia for years and witnessed it yourself.

Ok, you don't have to TR me? No one's making you. Sure it could be wrong but lower burden of proof and all.

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I don't think I know that term. Is that a MafiaScum term?

The "wim" you just mentioned. The wiki says "Want it more"?

Gth = gun to head

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Bell, do you always act this entitled? Genuinely curious.

People are giving me the impression you're so blatantly obvious to read

and you have this entitled air around you. I figured voting you would be funny now I'm just going "lol" about it.

Bell having a sense of being entitled to townread is hallmark of his town game.
Its really annoying when ur scum and he is town. Cause his sense of entitlement makes pushing him annoying.

I recall this as scum in a large many moons ago. I'll see if I can find it.

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Bell, can you do a readslist? Take a position on anyone?

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Bell, can you do a readslist? Take a position on anyone?

why are you giving him hints lol

I wanted to see how long he could go on without scumhunting

It's not hints gosh darn it. It's getting associatives.

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Gun to your head: Any initial thoughts?

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Bell, can you do a readslist? Take a position on anyone?

why are you giving him hints lol

I wanted to see how long he could go on without scumhunting

It's not hints gosh darn it. It's getting associatives.

associatives from how people behave around a caught scum are much more useful than any associatives that originate from said caught scum

Maybe but why not get as much data as possible.

@Bell, I think my thoughts on theories are pretty laid out. Not case level yet but still there.

Flipping you would help me judge them.

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Bell, can you do a readslist? Take a position on anyone?

why are you giving him hints lol

I wanted to see how long he could go on without scumhunting

It's not hints gosh darn it. It's getting associatives.

associatives from how people behave around a caught scum are much more useful than any associatives that originate from said caught scum

Maybe but why not get as much data as possible.

@Bell, I think my thoughts on theories are pretty laid out. Not case level yet but still there.

Flipping you would help me judge them.

Your associative and vote reading have never observably worked beyond randomness. So not only am I town and have little interest in seeing you win off my death(I'd still be around but), but I also know that statistically, this will get us no closer to winning if you're town because it doesn't really seem to work for you.

Sure. Reads day one can be little better than random on hitting scum, when I do them. Day 1 isn't my strength. Early game is about finding a core and something that feels good enough. I'll take the relationships and data, then pounce like I did in Among Us.

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Lto, I feel that Bell's response to my position on limming him matches exactly what you're saying and it was frustrating!

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Wtf did I just read

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I'm in Bell tower. I'm already a tree stump so I'm trying to work through the game in my own way. Just ignore it.

The mod has let us have note pts ffs. Stop grandstanding with gibberish.

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I mostly go by memory but noting things is good, particularly eod

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Broccoli and HST are my biggest SRs at the moment.

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why is that?

Honestly, gut imo. I get the icks when reading them, particularly hst.

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why is that?

Honestly, gut imo. I get the icks when reading them, particularly hst.

we are polar opposites then, and if your biggest scumread is only gut then maybe should try finding something to justify your read there. If you don't find anything id say your gut can be a bit inaccurate.

I use gut early and data later, when there is some. For now it's about socials. I can't quantify an ick. Sure I could case but that leads to tunneling.

Do you TR them?

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why is that?

Honestly, gut imo. I get the icks when reading them, particularly hst.

we are polar opposites then, and if your biggest scumread is only gut then maybe should try finding something to justify your read there. If you don't find anything id say your gut can be a bit inaccurate.

I use gut early and data later, when there is some. For now it's about socials. I can't quantify an ick. Sure I could case but that leads to tunneling.

Do you TR them?

the polar oppsite of scum reading someone is infact towning them yes. My gut feeling townread both of them

Sorry I thought you meant opposite as in casing them vs gut. Do you have a favorite HST post?

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@lemon, what about having no response to a specific post and setup spec strikes you as town?

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@lemon, what about having no response to a specific post and setup spec strikes you as town?

the response of honesty and bluntness as in them not being required to respond thoroughly.

The setup related post is just a good followup to it bc it showed some interest in the setup

First paragraph: Huh?
Second paragraph: That interaction would lead to no formation of reads by either side and scum love to hide in setup spec.

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First: Most banal comments aren't seeking approval.

Second: If it "didn't mean much", how is it the basis for a townread?

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It feels like you can't justify a townread there.

There's nothing that feels good in HST's iso.

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It feels like you can't justify a townread there.

There's nothing that feels good in HST's iso.

Thats fine if you don't understand my thought process.

Now the better question is if there is something that feels bad in hst's iso

The absence of hunting. Not any specific post.

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It feels like you can't justify a townread there.

There's nothing that feels good in HST's iso.

So I've been continuing in my notes PT with that read wall. but it's vital that I respond to 157#: my shades negate Pooky's shades.

You gunna respond to my request for more reads that aren't the reads you posted before I asked you for more reads or you good, Titus?

Huh?

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I'm in Bell tower. I'm already a tree stump so I'm trying to work through the game in my own way. Just ignore it.

The mod has let us have note pts ffs. Stop grandstanding with gibberish.

I will honor this. But I’d like for you to give more reads.

We're literally discussing my SRs?

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Are you asking for a readslist or what?

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I'm asking for more reads. You know, the thing you do when you hunt for the scums and figure out who the towns are and then write what you think.

Ask me specifically who? I'm mostly vibing with people but LTO and Pooky are my biggest townreads.

If you want me to case someone, it'll have to wait till I get back

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reads on ppl you havent talked abt is the simple answer

Like WHO?

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Show me your thinking by answering who you're concerned with. I only have a few minutes.

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reads on ppl you havent talked abt is the simple answer

Like WHO?

idfk who you havent given a read on yet. Plus it isnt even my question, however if i turned it into my question id ask for a Hu tao and doctor drew read

They haven't posted enough...

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It's an open ended question Titus. I'm trying to give you room to explain your interpretation of people's play however you like and letting you pick and choose who you specifically want to talk about because I'm interested in where your attention is placed.

My attention is on following the expression God gave you two ears and one mouth.

I'm working with Pooky and LTO at the moment while bouncing my SRs off of people.

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Bell - sus
Joyboy - I don't hate at the moment. He did the same thing as town last game.
Dunnstral - who?
Maid Cafe - mindmelted could be town
HolySpiritTurtle- who?
Laplacian - very similar to the town lap I saw for 2 games, role-playing aside
greedant - who?
PookyTheMagicalBear - don't hate any of their posts
Firebringer - prob town seems more natural than his scum game
Sakura Hana - could be scum, when she was scum she was similar to this
LadyTerminallyOffline - mind melted could be town
Relativistic Harmony - who?
light_ganski -who?
lemon.tangerine - scum
Titus - I think she gets more obvious as the day goes on.
Ircher - I was scum with him before and it's similar so far but not a reliable read. Leaning null

This can be a town readslist. Not a fan of the Lap read but I share most of the sentiments.

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For Drew lean scum. I want to see if Drew keeps his implicit promise in a post but his iso is vapid.

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It's an open ended question Titus. I'm trying to give you room to explain your interpretation of people's play however you like and letting you pick and choose who you specifically want to talk about because I'm interested in where your attention is placed.

My attention is on following the expression God gave you two ears and one mouth.

I'm working with Pooky and LTO at the moment while bouncing my SRs off of people.

Does this work with a judge? You're giving me your interpretation/narrative of your own play, not your interpretation of other people's play.

Don't be silly. I'm the judge. I'm listening and judging based on the burden of proof while asking targeted questions.

This feels less like genuine inquiry but more like looking to pick a fight.

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When I get a solid case, then I launch into murder mode.

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I haven't read up, but I am seeing somethingbabout me being "hostile". There's a difference between being hostile and annoyed. I'm not about to tolerate slots I suspect basically begging me to talk about anyone else with no specific direction when I'm not tunneling in any way. Either ask me a specific question or gtfo.

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P much with the attitude Titus has been having and going abt questioning me on justifying my reads, If they were a consistent town they wouldve asked me why i put them higher in their town reads and asked for reasoning same as hst

They didnt thus that post is a lie

I've already commented on this. I just didn't specifically ask you. Now that I push you to give me a valid reason on obvious scum, you can't. I would have accepted vibes as it is early. However, you provided a post that had zero substance.

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I seem to have woken up to a Bizzaro world where Bell is scum hunting and putting in effort. Would somebody mind pinching me?

No, Bell is infact town (maybe) this isnt a dream

I get an IIoA feel from Bell. Lots of words but hard to parse anything useful.

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Broccoli and HST are my biggest SRs at the moment.

Wait who is broccoli

Lap

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@Pooky, this feels like Among us! Bell but I don't have any mech to back it.

People got real particular on trying to find something to assail me on after that but aside from Hu were all people I was suspecting/pushed anyhow.

How likely is it that Bell, Broccoli, HST, Lemon and RH contain most or all of the scum?

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pooky ur tunnel isn't getting u anywhere i hope u realize

wdym

i don't think its convincing.
And if ur goal is to intimidate bell into being more openly scummy by reactions, I don't think that will work. I don't think bell is scum.

Fire, that's not what's going on here imo. The tonal match feels exactly like among us for Bell.

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Well Titus is town

Please fellow animal cultist, how accurate am I? I know you want to invite Bell, but the others?

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@Pooky, this feels like Among us! Bell but I don't have any mech to back it.

i dont even remember what his alignment is in among us

Scum and I was town.

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pooky ur tunnel isn't getting u anywhere i hope u realize

wdym

i don't think its convincing.
And if ur goal is to intimidate bell into being more openly scummy by reactions, I don't think that will work. I don't think bell is scum.

Fire, that's not what's going on here imo. The tonal match feels exactly like among us for Bell.

I skimmed among us.
I disagree that is the same bell as here.
And I think im better with tone than you

Why? If I'm wrong, I'd like to know what I should see differently.

[Titus]

Rand released?

@Fire, Ok. Thoughts on my other reads?

[Titus]

They are also proactive and don’t shy away from engagement. At the least they’re a terrible day one elim.

I didn't say I wanted to lim lemon d1 in particular. I'm less certain on lemon than HST or Broccoli. However, a scum is scum.

Lim a lurker scum = oh no, no info
Lim an active scum = oh no, they'll give info on their buddies.

The only info I care about is the choices people make. An active player with no counter sends alarm bells.

[Titus]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Comrade Firebringer, while our interactions in the past have sadly been few, I now feel compelled to ask why have you aimed your lens of suspicion at Comrade Dunnstral? Perusing the minutes of our past union meetings, the only time I can find you mentioning them was in missive #285. I had assumed this was in jest rather than a serious accusation of Dunn being a perfidious capitalist. Is there any further evidence for these aspersions so I may draw my own conclusions from your logic?

What do you think?

[Titus]

@firebringer do you want to do a hero solve competition rn

Can I pre-enter w mine?

[Titus]

Rand released?

@Fire, Ok. Thoughts on my other reads?

They claimed all their roles and then said it was tactical when I asked them about it and told me not to pursue it and they’ll explain later. It doesn’t really make sense for them to do all this ground work when just being a blank slate is easier.

Lemon uses he/him pronouns...who is the they you're talking about and where did they claim?

[Titus]

@firebringer do you want to do a hero solve competition rn

Can I pre-enter w mine?

sure all entrants are welcomed

put them in spoilers i'll collate the entries later

Spoiler: Titus guess

Bell, lemon, hst, broccoli

RH and joyboy if 5 and 6 respectively

[Titus]

@firebringer do you want to do a hero solve competition rn

Can I pre-enter w mine?

sure all entrants are welcomed

put them in spoilers i'll collate the entries later

Fire, Bell, LTO, Harmony

Oops not spoilered

I'd die for Fire and LTO. LTO is muh precious pocket. No touchie.

[Titus]

@firebringer do you want to do a hero solve competition rn

Can I pre-enter w mine?

sure all entrants are welcomed

put them in spoilers i'll collate the entries later

Fire, Bell, LTO, Harmony

Oops not spoilered

I'd die for Fire and LTO. LTO is muh precious pocket. No touchie.

I can deal with letting LTO live, but Fire is acting like a suss woofbringer......why not him?

Fire would kiss my ass as scum imo.

[Titus]

Hi new avi who dis

[Titus]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Comrade Firebringer, while our interactions in the past have sadly been few, I now feel compelled to ask why have you aimed your lens of suspicion at Comrade Dunnstral? Perusing the minutes of our past union meetings, the only time I can find you mentioning them was in missive #285. I had assumed this was in jest rather than a serious accusation of Dunn being a perfidious capitalist. Is there any further evidence for these aspersions so I may draw my own conclusions from your logic?

What do you think?

I think

I townread Firebringer and was confused by their vote, since I also townread Dunnstral. And it was right of me to ask since it was a meta argument and this is my 6th game on this site. I also think this is a bullshit post that exists solely because you've scumread me; I don't see anyone else asking other people questions getting

bold accusatory statements

. Likely case, you're tunneled. Worst case, scum trying to set me up as a future wagon.

And to get back in character. Something something unions good

If asking for an actual opinion is accusatory, then...I guess everything is accusatory. I have accused you of being scum, but directly giving you the opportunity to address my concerns is the opposite.

What are your HST and Lemon reads?

[Titus]

Dunn is the bait.

[Titus]

Dunn is the bait.

what do you mean by this?

-TL

Lim bait. There's no valid reason to FoS Dunn and Dunn's detractors are people looking to move away from Bell.

[Titus]

all this discrediting of my dunnstral wagon.
Shame on pooky and Titus

I'm Ms. Garth Brooks. Shameless.

[Titus]

I dont really trust any meta statements from that bear, and i dont have time to make the research myself so if someone else could confirm or deny that, that'd be nice, preferably someone im townreading that isnt Bell.

Just look at how Bell treats me in Among us versus this game. That's the meta. Both larges. I'm town in both. He treats me the same. I'm not a meta fan based on words but I remember how I am treated. If I had a vig, I'd execute there.

[Titus]

Y'all could help me brainstorm my romance novel between a person studying for the bar and a tow truck driver in a small county?

[Titus]

Pooky, whaddya think of a towncore of you me fire lto hu and light?

[Titus]

I love it when the babies grow up.

[Titus]

Bell, we were being wholesome.

Pooky, townblock thoughts? Sakura?

[Titus]

Sakura?

Isn't it a bit early. I have literally no info i can be confident on for townreading anyone to the point of townbloccing.

Who are your biggest TRs? Why is about 60 pages not enough?

[Titus]

I love it when the babies grow up.

What is this new avatar haha

Feels like you are silently judging me from afar

Silently?

Feeling guilty? Need to confess? Scratch my coat?

[Titus]

Sakura?

Isn't it a bit early. I have literally no info i can be confident on for townreading anyone to the point of townbloccing.

Who are your biggest TRs? Why is about 60 pages not enough?

Firepup and Bell. Why is page count relevant? Literally 70% of those pages have been Bell vs the world

You've played with me for years. Yet you can't read me despite the amount of TRs on me. You've seen my interactions with Bell, yet it feels like you haven't even thought about me.

[Titus]

Sakura, thoughts on me?

[Titus]

You've played with me for years.

I've played with you for years, yet there was a period of like 2 years where i didnt play mafia and literally the first thing when i came back was decide to drop the meta i knew of everyone. Only thing I remember about when i played with you is to reverse whatever read i was feeling from your posting.

Fair, 4 years ago. I had a massive personal shift. You've seen me well since then. Even then, there's still plenty of content there.

[Titus]

Yet you can't read me despite the amount of TRs on me. You've seen my interactions with Bell, yet it feels like you haven't even thought about me.

Although about this, i was actually leaning scum on you at that point.

And now?

[Titus]

You've played with me for years.

I've played with you for years, yet there was a period of like 2 years where i didnt play mafia and literally the first thing when i came back was decide to drop the meta i knew of everyone. Only thing I remember about when i played with you is to reverse whatever read i was feeling from your posting.

Fair, 4 years ago. I had a massive personal shift. You've seen me well since then. Even then, there's still plenty of content there.

Whether that's true or not, i dont really remember much of your meta, sorry. I... dont really have that good of way of readong people by meta most of the time and made a lot of mistakes due to not using meta correctly in the past. Only meta i use reliably nowadays is stuff that's pretty clear and cut in how people play.
In any other instance, i'll just read them in that game.

Have you looked at Bell in Among us?

[Titus]

Have you looked at Bell in Among us?

All i remember from Bell, is that he supposedly had a meta that was much like Creature's old meta. Which from what I've read this game is apparently not the case anymore. The only person that i've seen brought up Bell's meta this game is Pooky who i don't feel i can trust, much less blindly even if i townread him.

..............you don't think I have?

[Titus]

So If i get this correctly, Bell in Among Us! was scum and you think Bell here feels similar to Bell in Among Us!?

@Titus

Yes.

[Titus]

Ok fine
VOTE: Bell

I shouldn't complain but why hadn't you seen my comments before? Wouldn't you want to verify it? Particularly when I'm not a meta queen?

[Titus]

viewtopic.php?t=85156

There you go. That's Among us

[Titus]

I'm done playing this not actually playing the game BS.

While I'm not usually a meta player, it's still playing the game...it's just a tool much like gambits, setup spec, vca, interrogating or trolling...

[Titus]

VOTE: Dunn

Dunn's the town wagon to save Bell imo. Like Dunn isn't superactive but still

[Titus]

Good luck with your romance novel Titus.

Thank you.

[Titus]

if i trust a townread on Titus, Ircher, Lto, Bell, Pooky, Hst, Hutao, Joyboy, Other hydra rh Harmony smth (forgot name), Sakura, Firebringer, Laplician

That leaves
Doctor drew
lightski
Maid cafe

though i doubt the game is this easy

Someone's fitting their scumteam into trs

[Titus]

Meh, I

still want Bell

but RH has been in my list of potential partners. So I will vote RH necause my biggest TR is making a decent case. Meanwhile, I'll note how much easier this is.

Please lim Bell tomorrow.

VOTE: RH

[Titus]

Why do people change the names of things, it confuses me

so true

I'm changing SH's name to Secretly Heavenly so she thinks about being awesome.

[Titus]

^^^ is RH's partner. Do not forget. They both give "nth" chances.

[Titus]

same as titus

Strong town lean

[Titus]

Scum MariaR would likely just blame bloat and do nothing.

[Titus]

Slow down dang it. I got work.

[Titus]

Why do we have so much nonsense on Maid ?

[Titus]

also I don't think I've treated anyone in bad faith this game.

I simply believe Bell is mafia. I have tried to look for ways for him to be town and I just don't see it.

maybe I'm a washed up scrub who's lost his touch and has no clue how to read even Bell of all people but it is what it is. I ain't gonna lie about what I believe.

I'm fine with never yeeting Bell this entire game because if he's mafia he's going to hate playing for a long time and if he wins as mafia I will get to gloat so much post game it would make me happier than yeeting him d1 tbqh

Vibing with this until the last paragraph

[Titus]

Why do we have so much nonsense on Maid ?

why aren't you openminded?

Because I listen to facts then render a verdict. Only new facts can change my mind.

[Titus]

Why do we have so much nonsense on Maid ?

What has maid done to deserve a tr?

Wrong. What has maid done to deserve an SR or a wagon when scum is wagoned?

[Titus]

SPECIFICALLY, I REQUIRE THE POSTING RATION OF PIRATE TL POSTS TO PIRATE RH POSTS

Rh has a bit more but relatively even and streaky.

[Titus]

RH9 has posted 13 posts.
TL has posted 10 posts.
I have 23 posts.

This is close to mine. 26 posts total.

[Titus]

Have you shared all of your abilities with Titus and has Titus shared all of their abilities with you?

If so, who shared first?

Okay so TL is standoffish and Titus is supportive.
Then TL completely shut down.

Maybe on lto. No on me. However, I hope lto doesn't kill me for this, but one of us intends to protect the other.

[Titus]

Hey lto can you give me a brief summary abt titus's discussions with you? To save time just the Maid cafe parts but id still like to hear the rest

I've been at work, so we haven't substantively discussed Maid yet. I've been discussing more blocking. Lto was worried about not having solved everyone yet, and I was assuring her that she should do what she can when she can and we all think differently.

I hope we can have a mutual reads list pow wow.

[Titus]

Neither of us has her in our top 8 town reads, but she's not in our bottom four. She's in the "middle float" area.

That's all I'm willing to divulge, sorry.

You can wait for our read lists to come out before end of this phase to hear more.

good to know, thanks

This is correct

[Titus]

I'm here now lto. Let's knock these last reads in our hoods in case of strongmen.

[Titus]

UNVOTE: RH

Will be back in a bit.

[Titus]

Lto asked me to confirm she saw the RH thing before Pooky mentioned it. Dunno why that's important but I'll give lto a bit of room.

[Titus]

In a world where Pooky is mafia with you, this confirms that he could have been tipped off to hard bus and to un-clear him if you ever came back as mafia or vice versa. Call me Lady Terminally Paranoid.

Ok. Whatever

[Titus]

*tilts head*
No, I pretty much think RH is just easy to eliminate as either alignment.
Does Titus think RH is scum?

Yes. Just sorting stuff with lto.

[Titus]

*tilts head*
No, I pretty much think RH is just easy to eliminate as either alignment.
Does Titus think RH is scum?

Yes. Just sorting stuff with lto.

Are you in a neighborhood with just LTO or both RH and LTO together?

Lto and rh separately

[Titus]

*tilts head*
No, I pretty much think RH is just easy to eliminate as either alignment.
Does Titus think RH is scum?

Yes. Just sorting stuff with lto.

Why do you think RH is scum?

Awkward responses. Felt more interested in what was going on with lto than hunting. No real wim despite their comments and/or claim in hood.

[Titus]

They're in two neighborhoods. LTO is in a neighbor with TITUS and RH.
RH and Titus are in a neighborhood.

No three hoods
Lto rh
Lto me
Me rh

[Titus]

I have zero doubt lto is scum now. She just asked me what VCA was. XD

[Titus]

I'm legit laughing my ass off.

[Titus]

Ohhhh god. Don't poison her with ur VCA talk

No team in their right mind has her select me and then not tell her what vca is. XD

[Titus]

Ohhhh god. Don't poison her with ur VCA talk

No team in their right mind has her select me and then not tell her what vca is. XD

I mean....that is under the assumption
A) LTO talked about her decision to neighborize you with her team.
B) Her team has at all talked about you.
C) Someone on the team described your playstyle to her. After mentioning you or talking about you.
D) Even if all three above true. She might have missed VCA in all those discussion and for first time now questions it.


I don't know titus. We could be looking at a lurker team that doesn't like talking to LTO

Theoretically this is possibly. It's also possible that we have a precise scumteam not familiar with me.

However, having lto buddy me with a hood it would make sense to explain what I do.

[Titus]

Ohhhh god. Don't poison her with ur VCA talk

No team in their right mind has her select me and then not tell her what vca is. XD

Confused, why does that make her scum then?

She's NOT scum lol.

[Titus]

VOTE: RH

[Titus]

Rh, you can still fullclaim

[Titus]

Home on my laptop, just copied the player list from the OP, so this is NOT in order of towny to scummy, as promised FB:

Bell - Still think is scummy, but kinda wavering a bit and going back to my original read that maybe they are actually town, I think they are weirdly obsessed with me, but I am also a bit tunneled since they have a way of posting that irks me.....so trying to be fair here
Joyboy - If this is who I think it is, could be a deepwolf, but they seem to know me and are reading me consistent. Want to say town, but gonna be null for now since they got me worried about who they are(I know that shouldn't be a reason for a read per se, but waddya gonna do)
Dunnstral - I feel like we always clash in a game, not like yelling a each other, but just don't agree, which him seeing somewhat agreeable towards me seems odd, kinda slight scum lean(but hey, I am glad I could do the impossible and put a smile on his face lol)
Maid Cafe - Town, this just feels like the classic 'seasoned player who hasn't played with me' thing that I haven't run into in awhile tbh, but I remember how that goes. I do like how they are pushing RH since they think we could be buddies
HolySpiritTurtle - Meh, got nothing here tbh(though stay safe from the cold my friend)
Laplacian - I feel like I should have more here, but I kinda glossed over their gimmick posting, and not super familiar with them as a payer in general
Hu Tao - Never really correctly read her a scum, but I am also not getting those scum vibes from here(sounds weird I know, but she seems to show herself as town eventually, and I 'think' I understand her as town now), but null for now......work in progress
greedant - Clearly scum
PookyTheMagicalBear - Like, the effort I see him putting into tunneling Bell, I can't see from town. My Drew brain says this is scum theater between them, but the rest of my brain says solid town
Firebringer - The only person scummier than greedant.....burn him with fire(but seriously, feel like his defense of bell is odd......but that is also coming from my tunneled mind of how I am reading Bell.......but the only other time I remember Fire being so sure of a town read, he was scum.......so will kinda lean scum here......you're welcome Boo
Sakura Hana - Vibe feels very townie
LadyTerminallyOffline - Here is my completely going against Sunday Drew, starting to lean scum here......This is tied into how she was going after Bell a bit, and is tied into how Fire is defending Bell......something just seems amiss with these three......
Relativistic Harmony - Scum, as someone pointed out there is a lack of consistency with their posts and reads......I think TL is too afraid to ruffle feathers here that I am not used too
light_ganski - Kinda the same deal as Turtle, I know they have posted but I can't pick out a post of theirs
lemon.tangerine - Town, seem like they are trying to do things to helps sort people for themselves, even if people disagree with how they are going about it
Titus - Kinda scum lean here, this is really just vibe(but not strong at all since I have been way off on her as of late)
Ircher - Actually feel really good as town here, not that he has posted a whole lot, but there seems to be substance to what he has posted

Was just about to post this before the thread was locked lol

I spit my drink at this lmfao

[Titus]

tbh wondering if its worth for me claim my modifiers or not due to a could reasons

if you want.
tho i'd recommend waiting until you're run up to e-1.
claiming too early will benefit scum.
~rh

ehh ill claim cause why not i suppose. I don't have anything exactly game changing

2 abilities

1-shot even night Soul-binding curse
p much i try to predict the nk, and pair them with someone of my choosing. So if one dies the other dies

1-shot odd night snoopy coworker

I learn all abilties of said person and know if theyve been used or not

This first ability does not seem like something mafia would have, assuming it is true and not a fake claim based on what they submitted but did not get. So this could be a good choice for a role cop or similar role.

Umm this reads like a double nk and rolecop just saying. However, it can have some synergy too so meh. I punted on that.

[Titus]

Rh, you can still fullclaim

I'd want RH to post before fullclaiming ideally

or I'd fullclaim when I'm in the tent as a last ditch effort

-TL

You pretty much are

[Titus]

tbh wondering if its worth for me claim my modifiers or not due to a could reasons

if you want.
tho i'd recommend waiting until you're run up to e-1.
claiming too early will benefit scum.
~rh

ehh ill claim cause why not i suppose. I don't have anything exactly game changing

2 abilities

1-shot even night Soul-binding curse
p much i try to predict the nk, and pair them with someone of my choosing. So if one dies the other dies

1-shot odd night snoopy coworker

I learn all abilties of said person and know if theyve been used or not

This first ability does not seem like something mafia would have, assuming it is true and not a fake claim based on what they submitted but did not get. So this could be a good choice for a role cop or similar role.

Umm this reads like a double nk and rolecop just saying. However, it can have some synergy too so meh. I punted on that.

Yeah but I don't think mafia would have the double nk. The ability is just an extra kill if they are mafia as they don't need to do any guesswork.

....with the amount of protection and revive here...

[Titus]

i don't know why u guys bother with RH claim here. It isn't like theres a claim that will magically make u guys townread the slot lol

We get all the evidence, even if it won't matter. Everyone has a right.

[Titus]

That tree stump revival thing sounds moderately useful.

Which is why I wanted to see more wim to believe it's town.

[Titus]

Their first ability is busted if we believe them

My abilities are way stronger.

Mine can be

[Titus]

@RH, why didn't you claim novice in the hood?

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

i volunteer to be kidnapped by bell and protected by RH's ability XD

Stop scumsiding pooky.

[Titus]

RH is literally fabricating things to make their role plausible. They are just scum here.

I'll eat my hat if they are town.

[Titus]

I kept true to plans....that's all I'll say for the moment as I expect it to look like I didn't.

I might have 1.5 guilties

[Titus]

Could be 3 in really obscure scenarios

[Titus]

I meant to go shopping for grapes but magically bought avacados instead.

Above it there were figs and olives.

Very very odd. I think a truck driver got confused.

The thing is due to me thinking I was getting grapes, the avacado salesman may know.

[Titus]

oh and i should explain my warning to maid last day phase since its the next day

Pretty much i wasn't really going to target myself and them, it was a bluff. However if i died you'd be able to clear them because it wouldve hinted at mafia wanting the 2 kills in one night phase

Can you eli5

[Titus]

no clue what eli5 means

Explain it like I am 5

[Titus]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Why?

[Titus]

no clue what eli5 means

Explain it like I am 5

it was a 4d chess move, to bluff a mafia kill

Explain the 4d chess move step by step please.

[Titus]

Titus-

Decoder ring used, I follow.

Your call on how to proceed, my target and result should be obvious, yours is more impactful.

I think explaining mid day will be helpful. We can slow roll because you can just out my info anyway.

[Titus]

no clue what eli5 means

Explain it like I am 5

it was a 4d chess move, to bluff a mafia kill

Explain the 4d chess move step by step please.

sigh.

If i died tonight it would be clearing for maid cafe, because i had an overall serious tone and wolf!maid wouldn't have risked themselves possibly dying to me.

It was a bluff to give a public warning of death based on the night kill. Now if i did die though it would mean the wolves were oppurtunistic enough to go for the double kill

Where does this double kill thing come from since I doubt you visited maid?

[Titus]

I still doubt Bell is town. Remember, we have a rogue shipping element lto

[Titus]

Two things.

Sorry at work.

1. Favorite vegetable is tomatoes. I received a message addressed to Hu Tao.
2. I have a bomb strapped to me, I die at the end of the day. I get three guesses on who planted the bomb on my chest, it explodes at the end of the game day.

Who does it kill? What happens if it is diffused?

[Titus]

Lto, how confident are you that Bell should be helped?

[Titus]

I kept true to plans....that's all I'll say for the moment as I expect it to look like I didn't.

I might have 1.5 guilties

Out the 1 at least?

Well no. This gives more time to sort and people to claim real actions. Always slow play guilties or erratic shit if possible.

However, since someone intended to visit you, are you a redirector in any way

[Titus]

I kept true to plans....that's all I'll say for the moment as I expect it to look like I didn't.

I might have 1.5 guilties

Oh we are revealing those? I have a guilty aswell

Did you intend to visit Hu Tao?

[Titus]

I kept true to plans....that's all I'll say for the moment as I expect it to look like I didn't.

I might have 1.5 guilties

Oh we are revealing those? I have a guilty aswell

Did you intend to visit Hu Tao?

no, i have a different person as a visit. I also fps'd about having only 2 abilities

Ok, so that rules out a bus driver unless you're scum.

[Titus]

Good morning comrades! I hope that we are all well rested and ready to resume our glorious revolution! Through a combination of meditation, interrogation, and rooting through garbage for suspicious evidence, I believe I have identified several comrades who are, surprisingly, trustworthy

Weird choice to post this then not actually, you know, just come out and say them in the same post. But you do you.


I have to say the last bits of yesterday were thrilling, and I see why folks play this game more often than once a decade.

Going to wait for a little longer to see if there's claims of a redirector or bus driver

At least one person got fucked up with

[Titus]

I already submitted a pooky guess in my note PT.
But I did it before N1 resolved haven’t looked if mod responded.

But yeah feel free to control the rest, I don’t care.

It's almost certainly one of two people.

[Titus]

I kept true to plans....that's all I'll say for the moment as I expect it to look like I didn't.

I might have 1.5 guilties

Oh we are revealing those? I have a guilty aswell

Did you intend to visit Hu Tao?

What is this correlation

A message sent to you was sent to Bell. A bus driver or redirector is in play.

[Titus]

There is at least 1 scum between Lap and Lemon.

[Logical gaps]

Bell is town.

[Titus]

Well 90% sure

[Titus]

Well, important point of confirmation.

Bell. When did you receive this vest? Over the night one phase? Or on day one?

Yeah dumb question but we should clarify that.

[Titus]

So Bell you were strapped up in the day?#confused

[Titus]

Welllllll... about that.

I was trying to watch YOU, Hu Tao.

Lto give me a second to logic this out. I get the gambit but let me claim it in time.

[Titus]

There is at least 1 scum between Lap and Lemon.

[Logical gaps]

Bell is town.

TItus, what ability led to this? I'm having trouble meshing this with my parity results

*lips sealed*

[Titus]

We are not sure if this is a redirect or a bus driver, so let's not jump to conclusions. It's equally possible that the bomb was targeted at Bell directly, and that it was a redirect NOT a bus drive.

what is a busdriver btw

It's a role that makes other players target other people.

So if Adam and Bob target Charlie, they'd get a result that says they targeted Daniel if Daniel and Charlie were bus drove.

[Titus]

ok so the mafia had to have bus driven you 2 right

Pooky give me five to lay out what we know.

[Titus]

Here's what we know

1) An action targeting Hu Tao was redirected to Bell.
2) Lap claimed an action on Hu Tao.
3) Lemon says not bus driver and didn't target Hu Tao.

Then we know that unless lemon specifically claims to have targeted Bell, then there's a scum between them.

And that's because 4) only lemon and lap visisted Bell barring a ninja.

[Titus]

*Well 4 is aside from myself or lto

[Titus]

Here's what we know

1) An action targeting Hu Tao was redirected to Bell.
2) Lap claimed an action on Hu Tao.
3) Lemon says not bus driver and didn't target Hu Tao.

Then we know that unless lemon specifically claims to have targeted Bell, then there's a scum between them.

And that's because 4) only lemon and lap visisted Bell barring a ninja.

I'm confused. So I was drove by lemon or lap?

Nah a witch is a possibility.

Meaning that only my or lto's action was redirected.

[Titus]

my visit is completely unrelated to the topic on hand

You very explicitly did visit Bell, the mod says this game is not one where they can lie.

show me

Quoting mod feedback is against the rules. One of myself or lto watched bell either directly or accidentally.

[Titus]

Lap, did your feedback say your targets are all aligned or specific names?

[Titus]

Because we have to sort out whether Bell is a lightning rod or whether Hu was bus drove. If Bell is a lightning rod, then lap's result (if town) is worthless.

[Titus]

I still think Lap is lying for the record because of how lap implied their feedback was given, but that'll be sorted out by bullets or endgame.

[Titus]

ok this might be dumb and i might be missing something

but if theres only 2 people who could have bombed bell via watcher result and bell has 2 guesses. why dont we just let bell guess both names and we yeet the one who planted the bomb

Because the bomb sender isn't necessarily mafia?

if the bomb sender is between lemon and lacplace doesnt he have to be becuz theyd be lying about night actions

Lemon claimed the bomb but that it was intended for light_ganski.

[Titus]

Well the thing is a lightning rod is problematic unless something changes in the OoO. I don't think there is a lightning rod, but it is possible if the other of my or lto's actions went before the action of a lightning rod.