Mafia Reunion | Postgame

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I have to figure out the mechanics of this game still

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ribbit ribbit

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sorry

baaa

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i am a frog in wolf's clothing

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Damn this is a cult-like game. Idk how to go about going forward, people will just get converted who i town read.

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Wouldn't the cult just prioritize recruiting the loudest town voices and scum hunters?

Threat kills, day play control, yeah.

Hitting scum early is probably the main play, but that’s kinda difficult to do.

In theory there are roles that could help, and scum could miss a recruit phase, but yeah.

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Damn this is a cult-like game. Idk how to go about going forward, people will just get converted who i town read.

Where'd you get this?

get what, it's basic strat

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also not entirely serious

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The role switch mechanic is what’s different.

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Talking about town reads only gets you shot if you’re likely to be correct and there’s more variables for it.

Thinking about the differences between this compared to a regular game is a pretty valid point of discussion, i feel

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It feels like every game I’ve been playing lately, i stand off early game, and then it’s super slow, so I’m like damn, i can’t even lurk most of early game because nobody does things to get pressure/cause scum to act

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Bianco’s the scummiest slot so far

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Aureal’s weird too, but idk if it’s scum

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Aureal, you’re different this game too.

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Feels like you could be hiding something and doing the talking fast a lot of words thing, and i don’t remember you being like that

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What game

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There's so many to choose from

Ugh decisions are hard

Assign a game to each real name in the set up, whoever gets voted out first is the decided game

How would one know the real names?

In theory a flip would show

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But would be a long time til Aureal can get some game time.

If Aureal ends up being scum this game, calling a Games Tell the Au Reál tell

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Are you trying to fake a dumb tell right now?

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All the names are in the setup post, even i saw that

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Are you trying to fake a dumb tell right now?

All the names are in the setup post, even i saw that

I did not see that, nor did I know I could have chosen what my name could be lol

You got to choose?!?

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Are you trying to fake a dumb tell right now?

All the names are in the setup post, even i saw that

I did not see that, nor did I know I could have chosen what my name could be lol

You got to choose?!?

Are you trying to dumbtell now?

Per the setup post, which I have now read lol:

'Players may send me their top three picks for those names via PM (though this is not mandated and players who don't send any picks will have their 'real name' randomised).'

I still do not see this

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It might only be on sign ups, which i believe i was first and forgot

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It’s public knowledge in this thread too.

The picking of the names aren’t in this thread

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It’s probs just a SK tbh.

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Alright i might claim

I have some info

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I probably wouldn’t have signed up for a cult game if i knew

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Alright

i am a frog in wolf's clothing

Damn this is a cult-like game. Idk how to go about going forward, people will just get converted who i town read.

I’m an undercover journalist. Scum team give ‘REAL NAMES’ to convert.

I was trying to bait to see who knew about it early.

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Target*

I thought names would be randomized with role, but it looks like they’re entirely separate.

I have another part of my role, but it’s not entirely useful at the present. Maybe it’ll have use, but we’ll see

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i am
confused as to why we are already having a claim out but okay then

that is about what i suspected as soon as i noticed we were in a cult game though

I claim early every game basically

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actually thinking about it

informed modifier best play is to out early probably
especially if you do not have a useful role otherwise

I also recall a player asking for a mass name claim earlier.

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yes
but would scum actually be so bold as to straight up ask for a mass name claim

Yeah, that was my thinking. It was bold, but like if they didn’t think about a possible informed?

I can see it both ways.

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Thoughts on massclaiming names?

I think it'd be a good idea to lock people into name claims early, prevent shenanigans on that front.

Nah nah.

And out of RVS we go.

We don't know what the names do per se, this is role phishing.

Pre Edit: Titus knows the score

Why’d you talk about this if you didn’t know what names were?

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It’s probs NAI, Drew, but i think people can be in the right if they think you sketch here.

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Titus kinda scummy

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VOTE: Titus

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Essentially, what I believe massclaiming offers is everyone knowing who they're targeting instead of having to guess if theirs is a role that targets flavor names. Whether this is a net benefit to Town or to Scum depends on the exact roles in play, which we do not know, nor should we be trying to speculate on so early.

However, it is my belief that the chance is worth taking to enforce consistency and accountability.

I have a strong suspicion that the cult can use names to convert. You're nullifying town's advantage by massclaiming so nah.

VOTE: Rat

This reads to me as though Kitty is softing role information. Yet it would be strange if we had multiple roles giving the same information as Town.

So... 50/50 shot between Kitty and Flavor, and I was already suspicious of Kitty

What makes you think scum are going to outwardly push that?

Scum need Real Names, why would Kitty or myself want to speak up about it, actively discouraging real name claims?

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So they can later say "But why would I be against something that benefits me?"

Pushing the mislim through being higher priority than aiming conversions.

Preferring pseudo-randomness for tactical purposes.

It’s fine, in theory, but that defense isn’t stronger than simply not having it ever be known.

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So they can later say "But why would I be against something that benefits me?"

Pushing the mislim through being higher priority than aiming conversions.

Preferring pseudo-randomness for tactical purposes.

In addition to this, I have no problem pushing through mislims as scum, and I don’t think KittyTacky ever pushes like that.

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oh right names are a thing

uh

what is the likelihood that it is helpful to scum

I'd imagine helpful to both.

Damn this is a cult-like game. Idk how to go about going forward, people will just get converted who i town read.

Where'd you get this?

At this point, this looks like how scum act towards stuff like that

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I think we insta kill next person who tries to dumb tell

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I think we insta kill next person who tries to dumb tell

What's a dumb tell?

Good thing it was a test, and was giving free town cred to the next person only

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Is that why you wanted to mass post?

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I’m just playing. It was just funny considering how much you posted.

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I don’t scum read you.

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Eh, it’s new years. Titus wagon just started too. I think we’re fine.

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also ew mountain dew is too close to being energy drink for my tastes

anyways

titus hmmm
i should probably not comment on that one later once drink sets in but for now uh
i can understand having missed that the game was a cult game considering the circumstances

I missed that it was a cult game until the game started, but we were actively talking about it, and the way she questioned it was weird.

I can see Titus town doing it, but i think it’s worth pressuring.

I also haven’t had to read Titus in a long time

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Kitty obv town.

I like this new level Kitty been playing at recently

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btw I claim ascetic

Neat. This would also make you unrecruitable?

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I will say that I am also unrecruitable.

I kinda of hinted towards that a bit earlier, wasn't entirely wanting to out it yet, but im bad at holding my information, and with Gamma claiming to be unrecruitable, i think that's kind of interested when regarding the Real Names thing.

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I believe gamma’s claim most of all

You just looking for allies cuz you getting wagoned

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Well, I personally am fine with you sticking around for now, claim seems believable enough, and identifying the number of conversions means helping us find cult's in your best interest.

Yeah I think I agree.
Limming Deas on a later day could also help us figure out the speed conversions are happening at the very least?

If the theory about scum using real names for conversions is correct, then having my real name out there as a decoy is also probably not a bad thing

Scum would know not to use your name and have narrowed down list to use, though

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Each night, if get a good night's sleep, I get 3 real names, 2 of which must be town.

2 must be town, the 3rd could be either?

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The role switch mechanic is what’s different.

The what?

Role switch mechanic, the conversions

I saw this earlier, though, and no clue what i was talking about

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Well, I personally am fine with you sticking around for now, claim seems believable enough, and identifying the number of conversions means helping us find cult's in your best interest.

Yeah I think I agree.
Limming Deas on a later day could also help us figure out the speed conversions are happening at the very least?

If the theory about scum using real names for conversions is correct, then having my real name out there as a decoy is also probably not a bad thing

Scum would know not to use your name and have narrowed down list to use, though

How do scum know my name?

You literally said ‘having my real name out there as a decoy’

I figured that implied you would claim your name

Otherwise, i have no clue what you would be talking about having your name out there?

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And looks like Aureal is having a similar confusion

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It’s tinfoil theory, but I feel it’s possible DV is cult here that claimed 3rd party, and Titus is the 3rd party but didn’t want to claim the 3rd party part, probably cuz anti town.

But just a theory. Something to note for late game

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eh, 25 hours left, and frankly, end of the day, if it comes down to it, 3rd party is of little concern to me to be left alive. They easily could be lying about pieces of their role to come across like they can work with town.

I also dont see much reason for NK15 to push DV here as scum like this.

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Nk15 is obv town

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VOTE: DeasVail

I'm gonna sit here for now.

dunno if there are any real options, i dont have the time or energy to want to push Titus harder. wanna give a chance cuz i havent had to read her in a while since we have been scum together in the games we've played together the past year basically

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eh, 25 hours left, and frankly, end of the day, if it comes down to it, 3rd party is of little concern to me to be left alive. They easily could be lying about pieces of their role to come across like they can work with town.

I also dont see much reason for NK15 to push DV here as scum like this.

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if you can't find anything or any possibility, you're purposefully not looking for a reason.

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it is an easy and safe push for scum to make

your immediate reaction of wanting to push them counters the idea of it being an easy and safe push to make

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3rd party is not town, and while I understand the merit of keeping them alive in some scenarios, DV is by far the best fade after the 3rd party claim if we can't find someone else.

we literally have 25 hours, and like zero real candidates.

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it is an easy and safe push for scum to make

your immediate reaction of wanting to push them counters the idea of it being an easy and safe push to make

i mean i was already voting them

Gamma's attitude towards Nk15 also implies that NK15's stature was hurt from the push onto DV.

I just don't think that's one of those things that actually are scummy, and in fact, is townie.

DV is the correct choice as of this moment. I feel like this deadline came really quick, but dynamic iof this game just made this game super slow to start, i guess.

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deas is also yet another unrecruitable to potentially eat cult shots

which i would view as highly valuable to town and highly detrimental to cult

big assumption, semi fair. end of the day, hitting town is worse than hitting 3rd party.

with 25 hours left, it's not likely we hit scum today unless they bus.

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I dont think I want to fade DV, but agree with Flavor that I dont see any other great options right now.
I'm not sure about the NK15 townread though, because I agree a 3P push is easy and probably beneficial for scum to push?

yeah, but why push it like NK15 did? it did nothing but worsen their standing in the game, went against where the general was thinking after the claim, and doesn't really even do much to try and get people to join DV.

If I dont mention it, NK15 probably ends up being the elim I would say, even.

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i dont see it as a good push for a ScumNK15 at all. Maybe it's a meta thing, idk.

I'm happy to be convinced otherwise, but right now im feeling like Nk15 was about to be turned on and faded for pushing a 3rd party 25 hours to deadline.

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assuming deas is telling the truth at least
someone convince me he might not and i will think again

why are you assuming a self aligned 3rd party is telling the full truth.

im sure there are some small truths, but it's so easy to omit.


you are making a lot of leaps trying to protect a 3rd party.

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i do not intend to get onto the deas wagon ever today so
i personally think it might actually be

worse for town

then a no elimination

LOL

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assuming that deas is benign 3rd party and cannot be recruited he is automatically a +1 necessary recruit for cult to be able to win
he is a slot that cult presumably cannot do anything about without endgaming them if town does not allow him to be eliminated
assuming cult do not have any killing power at least

everytime you say you're assuming you lose all the credibility here.

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you are leaping to assumptions and the literally describing a situation the allows a coast to end game without cult checking, and youre also assuming cult without a killing power.

Any reasonings based off an assumption based on a self aligned 3rd party is immediately rendered moot.

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Flavor, is there a reason for the false sense of urgency given KawaiiKame hasn't even been replaced yet?

i dont have that much urgency, im just kicking this game into the next gear, but idk why any of that matters? we have 25 hours left. is deadline getting extended?

if not, this is not a good post from you.

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VOTE: Theta Alpine

too much assuming

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it's narrative weaving

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the description of win cons and powers deas has suggests an alternative to an ic for this game

they arent even town

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VOTE: titus

Don't like this not just because it's on me. We have a confessed person who doesn't have our wincon. I don't get why you'd unvote DV here.

because it's day one and I wanna get scum scum not the third party which is confirmed to exist

in what world do you think we hit scum here with 25 hours left with zero major candidates?

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people drastically overvalue how hard it is to hit scum Day 1 if the scum team literally just helps each other out here and there. like you wanna hit someone you think could be scum, but third party is also a slot to get rid of, and is better than forcing out claims of sorts, maybe not as much in a certain degree, but real name claim,

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all eliminations that come the following day wont happen? so like, day 2 you're immune, not day 1?

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I remember a game awhile back where 3p made a similar type 'Don't worry about me town, I totally am harmless' and the town let them live. In that game Titus was adamant that you should never let 3p live since they are by definition not town and not in the business of helping town.

I may be confusing a couple games but I seem to remember the 3p screwing over town and Titus was correct(maybe she can help me jog my memory).

Point is, DV is not town and DV should not live.

At best he is being truthful and won't directly hurt town(realistically in this case he is purposely hiding something more about his role, even in a best case). Worst case he is completely lying and can hurt us as town, or is just scum trying to claim benevolent 3p.

Either way, they should be disposed of today so he doesn't become a bigger issue going forward.

im not even like that big on that on a mafilosophical level, i just feel like we have the opportunity to just deal with it now being so close to deadline anyways.

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VOTE: titus

Don't like this not just because it's on me. We have a confessed person who doesn't have our wincon. I don't get why you'd unvote DV here.

because it's day one and I wanna get scum scum not the third party which is confirmed to exist

in what world do you think we hit scum here with 25 hours left with zero major candidates?

it can definitely happen

eh, i know if i were scum, it would never happen. just too easy to play it. not everyone can be me, i get it, but you just need 1 solid scum player able to shift weight and it's done.

There's also strats that can be done, like purposefully becoming scummy to split town's votes on a scum/scum counterwagon and move it onto town.

it's just so unlikely from any coordinated scum team and requires town to trust each other temporarily and momentarily come together.

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Join me, my dear invited guests!

Flavor Leaf wishes to have all of you scurry along with him like rats to the pied piper, but not if I have anything to say about it!

It is true, I am not part of the town, and

do I know whether Flavor Leaf is town or scum? No! I do not. But do I care? Only a little if I'm being totally honest.

The point is that such a spectacular coup would be fun!

If there is a more boring and sensible option then I will join in on that, but until then…

See what i mean.

they are inherently not here for town, and only claimed because they wanted they were looking to be faded, and didnt want to use their other ability yet. Then when it looked like it wasn't gonna work, they used the ability.

they're an unreliable narrator.

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it's even worse considering I was the one pushing Titus, the one pushing DV at first.

I had no interest in the DV wagon until 3rd party claim + noticing how close deadline we were.

And a FL wagon is specifically a ploy because me out of the way with this mindset is a giant boon to DV surviving longer term.


Also, if I'm reading what happened correctly, DV can be up for elim today still, but they wont be able to be taken out tomorrow?

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do people really not understand to hit an enthusiast today, you can't have as much dissonance as we have right here? it's just not happening unless we get lucky on a flash wagon and scum are specifically unprepared.

Like I'm okay with discussion around whether or not we should hit the 3rd party, but i think the players hard defending and jumping through hoops have scum in them, so if we move off of DV, I think Theta, Aureal, or Cakez now is a good pool to go after.

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Cakez didn't really do that, I just town read Kitty right now, so i threw him in, but they are def on the least. I kinda like Aureal too, but im really not a fan of that mentality and defense of a non town.

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I have two potential methods of winning. Either:
- I identify the real names of anyone who targeted me the previous night, or;
- immediately upon my elimination I correctly identify the number of people who have been converted (which I thought I could achieve by just being eliminated day 1 and guessing zero, but I misinterpreted and it’s only after the first night that that counts)

I also can be publicly confirmed as the host of the reunion if need be but that makes me immune to eliminations the following day, so I didn’t really want to do that unless asked.

I have a night action where I can visit someone and learn their real name. They will get notification of being visited but not that it was me specifically.

It’s weird and I’ve been out of sorts working out what to even do with myself this game.

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DeasVail is confimed to be the

Reunion Host

. All eliminations that target him the following day will fail.

also, looking at this.

i dont think these are the same thing?

it looks like it's specifically 'eliminations that target him', like a night action vigilante/scum kill would be immune, but then again, it does say following day, not phase.

regardless, i dont think this applies to getting voted out, which is what I feel it was trying to be pushed as.

I think DV has already shown they are playing in bad faith and not with a town agenda, so for everyone saying they can town side, how would you ever trust them?

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say we hit 2 townies in a row, then take out DV. without anything else, if scum can convert every night (successfully), and if there are no kills, then scum could be at a total of 6. now, you have to take out 5 from the townies, and take out DV. so that's 3 people out of the game, making this a 12p game then.

putting the game into 6-6 in the side of cult.

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I think I will be voting Flavor Leaf today since this feels like NQN2!Flavor

in what way?

because keep in mind, that was multiball, and I was essentially correct on 2 scum members there.

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say we hit 2 townies in a row, then take out DV. without anything else, if scum can convert every night (successfully), and if there are no kills, then scum could be at a total of 6. now, you have to take out 5 from the townies, and take out DV. so that's 3 people out of the game, making this a 12p game then.

putting the game into 6-6 in the side of cult.

this is also the case if we lim dv now and then hit two townies in a row

so uh
what is your point

they were asking what's the difference between D1 and D3.

Difference is we have loads more info to go off of and thus dont risk hitting town as often.

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I think I will be voting Flavor Leaf today since this feels like NQN2!Flavor

in what way?

because keep in mind, that was multiball, and I was essentially correct on 2 scum members there.

NQN2 was also me in Peak Jaded Flavor era where I didn't give a shit about anything, and wasn't having fun playing the game for like a year at that point. I also spent the entirety of the day doing that.

Here it's as simple as, see an anti-town, fade an anti-town, move to Day 2. Sounds like a great play.

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if we want to allow deas the chance to win

why should we care about this

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like admirable of you, but i dont care at all about helping a third party get their wincon like that.

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im also in do a fuckton of aggressive pushing and forcing people to take a side kind of stuff, and my DV pressure has been the largest rod of causing readable reactions in the entire game so far.

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I think I will be voting Flavor Leaf today since this feels like NQN2!Flavor

in what way?

because keep in mind, that was multiball, and I was essentially correct on 2 scum members there.

yeah but a) I correctly figured out you were scum searching for the other team and b) your push on DV here doesn’t feel right

isn't B like a classic town flavor thing

read my last post.

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I think I will be voting Flavor Leaf today since this feels like NQN2!Flavor

in what way?

because keep in mind, that was multiball, and I was essentially correct on 2 scum members there.

yeah but a) I correctly figured out you were scum searching for the other team and b) your push on DV here doesn’t feel right

i just dont see these 2 as being the same at all. in the scenario with a, my push WAS right.

i admit, im overdoing it on purpose with pushing DV, but I still standby it's probs the best fade. I helped get this game moving like I do every game.

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i do not think i can convince you about this flavor leaf
and i do not think you can convince me to change my mind about this so

i will leave my arguments for other town people to read and then decide on this themselves

and will leave my vote on nk15 in the meantime as my preferred lim here
i will have to look through the results of this discussion over the night as i do not have the ability to think that much right now and probably will not until deadline hits

you need to be more flexible then, cuz i am willing to hear options, but you haven't given any good reasons for a NK15 and seem content with that.

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i do expect scum to be on deas if this goes through though as it simply is too much of an opportunity for them to pass up on i imagine

i personally dont see major scum motivation for taking out DV here this way.

Like they're unrecruitable, sure, but Gamma and I also claimed that, so I feel like I am a bigger threat to scum than DV is right now.

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I think I will be voting Flavor Leaf today since this feels like NQN2!Flavor

in what way?

because keep in mind, that was multiball, and I was essentially correct on 2 scum members there.

yeah but a) I correctly figured out you were scum searching for the other team and b) your push on DV here doesn’t feel right

i just dont see these 2 as being the same at all. in the scenario with a, my push WAS right.

i admit, im overdoing it on purpose with pushing DV, but I still standby it's probs the best fade. I helped get this game moving like I do every game.

Well, if I could pipe in a bit, I got the ball rolling on DV and got the game moving way before you.

My ego couldn't let that slide haha

eh, i was about to derail the DV wagon before they claimed.

I didn't start the wagon, but I feel I helped speed the game up. You starting the wagon lead to them claiming, though, so for sure a chain reaction.

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fuck it, let's just kill me

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I hate cult games.

Theta is scum. I standby DV would always be the best fade Day 1. Have fun.

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I think I will be voting Flavor Leaf today since this feels like NQN2!Flavor

in what way?

because keep in mind, that was multiball, and I was essentially correct on 2 scum members there.

yeah but a) I correctly figured out you were scum searching for the other team and b) your push on DV here doesn’t feel right

i just dont see these 2 as being the same at all. in the scenario with a, my push WAS right.

i admit, im overdoing it on purpose with pushing DV, but I still standby it's probs the best fade. I helped get this game moving like I do every game.

You realize you’re essentially saying you are knowingly making a bad push? Since you’re arguing that your push was right in NQN2 and that it’s not the same as here

My pushes in NQN2 were absolutely legendary levels of good.

This is me bored af in this game, hopping in, seeing we have less than a day left, seeing a 3rd party claim, and going 'yeah, that's the best fade.'

you've seen me push players I've actively town read, and wanted them killed off Day 1 after they claimed Vanilla.

I just hammered Whemestar in that game while actively stating he was town.

And yet, everytime people like to fight the mentality on this, but then town goes onto stomp.

Dunno what to tell ya.

Am I making a good case? Eh, I would say it's a solid case.

Idk what the point of wasting time arguing against this instead of bringing up other options to fade. There's literally a day, stop wasting time, find scum.

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you think you're going to hit scum with less than a day left til deadline?

by all means, go for it.

maybe you'll catch the scum team sleeping. it's possible.

but i stand by that a semi coordinated scum team will very rarely get voted out Day 1. It almost always requires bussing.

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my pushes when I am scum are not bad.

my pushes when I am town appear bad (i think pushes are good even when they are wrong, but people still don't see the value in stuff like that for some reason)

do the math.

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i mean i am not looking to continue arguing about this

i probably should try and put in effort and figure out who is a good chance of rolling scum here to be honest so maybe i will go try that

im talking to Gamma, not you.

You're obv scum imo.

So I am up for a Theta wagon or a DV wagon.

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Pre Edit: Aureal, so you buy DV's claim as fact?

Yes Drew, I think there's a good likelihood of it being true. If true its existence is very useful to town. If false... what, exactly are you afraid of happening? Is allowing him to live to day three going to harm town somehow? Is knowing one person is going to target him one night going to cause town to lose? I'm serious when I ask for these examples. Think about the balance. Just screaming "we're gonna get screwed somehow!" is not useful at all.

i think this is just severely missing the point that we have less than a day until deadline.

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Pre Edit: Aureal, so you buy DV's claim as fact?

Yes Drew, I think there's a good likelihood of it being true. If true its existence is very useful to town. If false... what, exactly are you afraid of happening? Is allowing him to live to day three going to harm town somehow? Is knowing one person is going to target him one night going to cause town to lose? I'm serious when I ask for these examples. Think about the balance. Just screaming "we're gonna get screwed somehow!" is not useful at all.

i would also argue this is far less useful than what Drew is talking about.

If you wanna be useful, find another option, make some scum cases. no point arguing on the DV or not.

End of the day, DV is not town, if we can't make another fade happen, you fade them. Don't see what's so controversial about that take. That should be the standard.

In the mean time, if you really really dont like the idea of fading DV, find an alternative, quit focusing on defending DV here. Find and present another option, and maybe it'll be worth.

I've been leaning Theta for a minute. Maybe look into that.

But yeah, this defense is the least useful thing happening still. This post has been made multiple times now. Let's move on from that defense post.

[Flavor Leaf]

there are 4 people on the DV wagon.

And I am not one of them.

People coming at me for it still to this point are faking it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Leaf makes a good point

Tbh we have zero reason to believe DV is a benign 3P or that he's being 100% honest about his wincon

I got hard hounded for suggesting it. There were literally 4 people on DV already, he was underpressure. I'm not ever going to assume that they were telling the truth. It's also not our responsibility to help DV win.

would I like to hit scum today? Sure.

But people are focusing on the idea of hard defending DV without offering an alternative. DV already showed he does not have town's best interest in mind when they said they don't care whether im town or scum. I was one of their biggest oppositions at the time, and that vote and turn onto me 'because it would be fun' is a completely self aligned move hidden behind promises of 'fun'.

As time goes on, we have to get rid of them likely anyways in case they aren't telling the truth, and id rather that than some compromise panic wagon almost assuredly going to be on town.

"It might not!"

You're right. There's a chance. There's a chance we all go $50 on a bunch of lottery tickets to split between all of us, and then we win and share the money too.

I just don't think the odds are good, deadline kind of snuck up on us, and we have a perfectly find fade candidate right in front of us.

It's an option. It doesn't have to be the only option, but if we can't come to some sort of fade in the next 24 hours, why fight it.

[Flavor Leaf]

See? We have another alternative in Radical Rat fade popping up right there.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have two potential methods of winning. Either:
- I identify the real names of anyone who targeted me the previous night, or;
- immediately upon my elimination I correctly identify the number of people who have been converted (which I thought I could achieve by just being eliminated day 1 and guessing zero, but I misinterpreted and it’s only after the first night that that counts)

I also can be publicly confirmed as the host of the reunion if need be but that makes me immune to eliminations the following day, so I didn’t really want to do that unless asked.

I have a night action where I can visit someone and learn their real name. They will get notification of being visited but not that it was me specifically.

It’s weird and I’ve been out of sorts working out what to even do with myself this game.

insert flavour later

DeasVail is confimed to be the

Reunion Host

. All eliminations that target him the following day will fail.

also, looking at this.

i dont think these are the same thing?

it looks like it's specifically 'eliminations that target him', like a night action vigilante/scum kill would be immune, but then again, it does say following day, not phase.

regardless, i dont think this applies to getting voted out, which is what I feel it was trying to be pushed as.

I think DV has already shown they are playing in bad faith and not with a town agenda, so for everyone saying they can town side, how would you ever trust them?

I feel confident that elimination means the standard use of elimination- by vote, not

any

method of being removed from the game like nightkills. It means we can't vote him out day two. Not that he can't be killed at night.

Voting and eliminating that way is not targeting. That is worded incorrectly if that is the correct.

[Flavor Leaf]

there is scum taking the defense side of DV 100%. probably scum pushing them too, so that's fair.

but yeah, i'd say 1 scum on each side at least.

[Flavor Leaf]

the beauty of the DV push.

[Flavor Leaf]

when DV's not the exact role they claimed, just know...

I'm here with a big I told yall so

Drew can be there with a 'i told yall first', thats fine

[Flavor Leaf]

Without any publicly known names, cult has a functionally random chance to hit 1 in 12 people.

With Gamma being ascetic, Flavor being immune to recruitment, and DV being 3P immune to recruitment (which like. 3P basically HAS to be immune to work in this kind of setup), scum has a 25% failure rate tonight if we hit cult, or a 27% failure rate if we hit Town. If we eliminate DV, that failure rate drops to 18%.

I think 25 and 27 are better numbers than 18, plus the chance of hitting ACTUAL scum instead of being paranoid about what DV MIGHT be hiding.

On D3, we can revisit this, as by then things matter a bit less since cult will have probably learned some names and have ruled out others if failed recruits happen. But for today? It's just not a good move.

this is only at face value and not counting for possible actions. I think it checks out as occam's, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

thing is, im not really as afraid of a cult hitting their action as a lot of you seem to be?

i feel like that's one of the key things in being able to read cult is finding out who they recruited.

[Flavor Leaf]

i guess that makes sense, though, seems like one of those things id have a different opinion on that i can see it fair being seen the other way.

[Flavor Leaf]

i dont think it's NK15, though. It's probs Titus if there's scum on the DV wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel confident that elimination means the standard use of elimination- by vote, not

any

method of being removed from the game like nightkills. It means we can't vote him out day two. Not that he can't be killed at night.

Voting and eliminating that way is not targeting. That is worded incorrectly if that is the correct.

I don't think the use of the word 'targeting' here means anything in particular, but elimination certainly does. I mean, how the heck else do you phrase that? I guess the use of the word "all"

could

suggest there's things other than the vote that are included but since it also specifies day then... what could it possibly be? I doubt there's dayvigs available here.

i see something saying target, in most scenarios, it requires specifically targeting.

[Flavor Leaf]

well, this was a fun day at the office.

glad i could cause a bit of a stir.

go nuts. imma play some bg3.

[Flavor Leaf]

and uhhh...if day ends...

ribbit.

[Flavor Leaf]

thing is, im not really as afraid of a cult hitting their action as a lot of you seem to be?

i feel like that's one of the key things in being able to read cult is finding out who they recruited.

If it were a regular scumkill, I might agree with you.

But finding out who they recruited is... not super helpful when it's random, and also not guaranteed to happen at all. We don't know if flips will show the original alignment or not, so we'd be dependent on finding contradictory investigations to confirm a recruitment, or hope the target's really bad at not suddenly changing attitudes.

The act of recruitment itself gives us no inherent information, and pretty significantly shifts the numbers balance in cult's favor. I would very much like to prevent that from happening as much as possible.

this only applies if scum dont have a way to learn Real Names, which I highly doubt.

First Night, though, maybe, so I do think it holds up for Day 1.

I just find the idea of a scum team having a random thing not too great of a mechanic.

[Flavor Leaf]

i'm probably down to go back to Titus.

I've eased up on the idea of scum always in the defenders. RR and Aureal seem fine. Theta still could be scum, though, but I'm not opposed to Titus.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Thomith - Middle of Act 3.

[Flavor Leaf]

SO

I'm Amnesiac basically. I get info every night.

Scum team have a Traitor (called an Addict, but it's a Traitor).

I teased it yesterDay, but I'll full claim it because now it makes more sense. I am basically an Amnesiac Miller

[Flavor Leaf]

I think this means that scum have a Cop of sorts and because of the way they convert, they don't know their team, and I can be a fake teammate for them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Are you the traitor?

While I only have 1 game of Traitor meta, you can go check and see if this is similar if you got that paranoia.

[Flavor Leaf]

And before we get the Flavor paranoia push, there's way too many of yall who know me for me to pull this shit as scum here.

So quit the inkling.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think this means that scum have a Cop of sorts and because of the way they convert, they don't know their team, and I can be a fake teammate for them.

Mafia Have a Cop PT 2?

I'm just speculating, but probably.

I doubt they dont have a way to get Real Names somehow.

[Flavor Leaf]

And before we get the Flavor paranoia push, there's way too many of yall who know me for me to pull this shit as scum here.

So quit the inkling.

Aww but that is always a fun part of the game

Nah, it's fine. It's kinda a compliment and a curse.

this is a cult game, so im like fuck it, play recklessly until end game, and solve.

[Flavor Leaf]

i should clarify that i am novice and non-consecutive

so i mean i could target you tonight deas but if i do it will be night four when i can actually do something useful with my role probably

why are you giving so much of your role away?

[Flavor Leaf]

Do you still think bianco is scummy FL?

not really, but more because i didnt interact with them past that point, and it feels like a long time since this game was played, so i forgot a lot.

[Flavor Leaf]

Do you still think bianco is scummy FL?

not really, but more because i didnt interact with them past that point, and it feels like a long time since this game was played, so i forgot a lot.

I can relate, the biggest thing I will never forget is DV must be taken care of......but I will never have enough support to do just that and it bums me out.

i might try to vote DV to see what happens.

VOTE: DV

But I standby that 3rd party was the best slot to kill. I looked over their wincons, and if nobody targets them (which I guess isn't always possible because Real Names), then they have to get lucky on conversion guess. But that only happens if they get eliminated. So they either have to work with town to help leave the game, lowering town's numbers an EXTRA amount by losing an extra player.

I just dont see why people were defending a slot that can dissolve itself individually in a cult game.

[Flavor Leaf]

im indifferent with RR. Kitty push was bad, but so was the NK15 push.

It's also super bold of RR to try and mass claim real names early like that.

[Flavor Leaf]

but i can see it as potential scum who didnt expect me to have info like that.

[Flavor Leaf]

You are a part of the Friendship Group and may hang out with your friends here at all times.

oh.

whoever is in this Friendship group, claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

deas cannot be killed today by mod confirmation but okay then

let me reread the game again to gather reads on people but
i think the best play power-wise for me tonight might indeed be to target deas with my power and just have them guess my real name that they have now and then hopefully that removes them from the game and we no longer have to worry about third party existing

im testing it.

you not remember my whole shpeal on the wording of it?

i am not targeting DV with an elimination.

[Flavor Leaf]

why are you always in the sketchy neighborhood.

[Flavor Leaf]

please say there's more in the friendship group

[Flavor Leaf]

i would say that's just flavored neighborhood.

NK15 role implies there's a player in there who has outside communication.

That being said, with my Traitor info, it is decently likely a traitor could be in there, and then a player with outside comms is red herring.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'd interpreted the friendship group as a pseudo-masonry, where everyone starts Town but could still be converted.

I may just be reading too much into that though

oh thats kind of cool setup wise.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'd interpreted the friendship group as a pseudo-masonry, where everyone starts Town but could still be converted.

I may just be reading too much into that though

burn this fishing/bs w extreme prejudice; also DV plz full-claim again for me/specify in new words what your deal w true names is...?

VOTE: RR

what is the scum motivation behind pushing the Friendship Group as a pseudo-masonry?

I don't agree that it is that, it could be all town, but i dont think that's like the thing that should be immediately thought.

But RR by saying that cancels any sort of push that they could make on anyone in that Group, which I just dont think is good scum play.

[Flavor Leaf]

fuck it. as soon as we get a VC, and I get confirmation DV isnt able to be voted, I'll join the RR wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

ill just bus my buddy then

VOTE: RR

[Flavor Leaf]

if the hood was a pseudo-Masonry, demanding to know who is in it so brazenly like this, & actually getting ppl to take the bait would allow Scum to start more easily targeting conversions in the smaller-informed-minority they may think they can get flavor info from if they convert

i mean sure but there is one small detail

flavor leaf has claimed informed that cult uses real names to recruit
meaning they cannot target specific people unless real names get claimed

unless im scum lying

[Flavor Leaf]

I think RR is in claim range.

[Flavor Leaf]

claim role and name

[Flavor Leaf]

yes name. i want it.

[Flavor Leaf]

claim real name.

[Flavor Leaf]

PE3: Leaf, don't make fun of me, why are you & Rat so in lock-step here on this hood bs if you're fine taking them out

what do you mean?

RR said it's a Pseudo Masonry, and I specifically think there is scum in there?

[Flavor Leaf]

I am not claiming real name publicly, ever.

I would also prefer not to claim my role just yet... but it is

partially confirmable.

I really hate this lol

[Flavor Leaf]

not that RR did it, just in general, every game and it always ends up coming from scum

lol @marcistar

[Flavor Leaf]

REAL NAME

[Flavor Leaf]

PE3: Leaf, don't make fun of me, why are you & Rat so in lock-step here on this hood bs if you're fine taking them out

what do you mean?

RR said it's a Pseudo Masonry, and I specifically think there is scum in there?

i do want this explained more, though, because I don't get it. RR and I had exact opposite reads in regards to what the Friendship Group alignment dispersement was, so idk the 'lock-step' meaning.

i thought originally they were saying it cuz i was defending RR.

[Flavor Leaf]

we don't know for sure that the Enthusiast/Cult conversion is fully-Factional - we only know that the Factional ability of the informed minority/Enthusiasts/Cult involves conversions, which could just be CYA/nitty-gritty or it could be extremely significant

y'all need to acknowledge this btw bc if we're going to try solving/grammar-ing our way out of shit like w reading into DV's "elims won't work today" stuff, this is even more interesting/potentially significant & I'm surprised it hasn't been touched on yet? or maybe it has

PE: yeah, that makes sense actually nvm - except for any flavor cop/Conversions (if we trust Leaf, etc.) real names may not mean shit to Town so I may never claim mine either, sue me

PE2: what I meant is, you both (or more accurately, Rat RIGHT after you) started demanding to know who was in the hood, etc. & you 2 bites on that bait

ew

where did Rat try getting them to claim? I think I'm the only one who pushed for Friendship Group to claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

pretty sure it is standard practice for a hood to claim members once it gets exposed actually

Especially after NK15 role implications.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Maestro - Quote where RR tried getting them to claim, cuz right now, you're making that up.

[Flavor Leaf]

guhhh what’s going on

im bored and trolling and thought we could get a quick fade, but then they mentioned Titus needs to come back and claim, which I agree with, so now I'm in troll mode.

[Flavor Leaf]

i do want this explained more, though, because I don't get it. RR and I had exact opposite reads in regards to what the Friendship Group alignment dispersement was, so idk the 'lock-step' meaning.

i thought originally they were saying it cuz i was defending RR.

what I was saying & what is way more significant is you & RR (you & a scumread, ostensibly?) being in favor of full-claiming one of, essentially, Town's PRs, just on assumptions about whether or not it was a pseudo-Masonry

it's honestly more ping-y & interesting that you're not on the same page about it, but both want the same thing, so you're right that we should discuss that more - I would think ScumRat could easily have posted about a "pseudo-Masonry" first to try to get the bites on the bait, so I disagree that it's Rat eliminating others from his own elim-pool, PoV-wise; I think it's fine Scumplay idk why you don't see that

PE: well I think that's stupid lol it's a Town PR, why just claim right away - a hood's internal "power" (another slightly-smaller-possibly-semi-informed-minority) isn't immediately lessened necessarily by publicly knowing that one exists...? in fact, I'd say it increases in power if some members have flipped

PE2: Rat implying hood = pseudo-Masonry is implicitly saying "y'all can claim, I won't Scumread ya cuz I think you could be Masons! don't worry one bit, no sireebob" so no, it wasn't a demand like you made, but you both

clearly wanted hood members to claim

; stop twisting my words troll

that is not the same at all. Rat definitely did not imply that they should all claim there, lol.

I am still thinking they need to claim, because I specifically think there is scum in there.

I also don't consider Neighbors as PR's

[Flavor Leaf]

If RR flips town, insta fade Maestro here

[Flavor Leaf]

i do want this explained more, though, because I don't get it. RR and I had exact opposite reads in regards to what the Friendship Group alignment dispersement was, so idk the 'lock-step' meaning.

i thought originally they were saying it cuz i was defending RR.

what I was saying & what is way more significant is you & RR (you & a scumread, ostensibly?) being in favor of full-claiming one of, essentially, Town's PRs, just on assumptions about whether or not it was a pseudo-Masonry

it's honestly more ping-y & interesting that you're not on the same page about it, but both want the same thing, so you're right that we should discuss that more - I would think ScumRat could easily have posted about a "pseudo-Masonry" first to try to get the bites on the bait, so I disagree that it's Rat eliminating others from his own elim-pool, PoV-wise; I think it's fine Scumplay idk why you don't see that

PE: well I think that's stupid lol it's a Town PR, why just claim right away - a hood's internal "power" (another slightly-smaller-possibly-semi-informed-minority) isn't immediately lessened necessarily by publicly knowing that one exists...? in fact, I'd say it increases in power if some members have flipped

PE2: Rat implying hood = pseudo-Masonry is implicitly saying "y'all can claim, I won't Scumread ya cuz I think you could be Masons! don't worry one bit, no sireebob" so no, it wasn't a demand like you made, but you both

clearly wanted hood members to claim

; stop twisting my words troll

Absolutely not, lol.

I dont get any sense that Radical was trying to get them to claim. You're twisting their words.

[Flavor Leaf]

but you both clearly wanted hood members to claim

I would like everyone else to answer this.

Do you think that RR clearly wanted the Friendship Group to claim?

[Flavor Leaf]

Specifically clearly, since to Maestro it was so obvious apparently.

[Flavor Leaf]

guhhh what’s going on

for what it's worth, this is what a townie reacts to my ridiculous Real Name claiming.

Scum try and act townie like Maestro/Theta.

[Flavor Leaf]

but you both clearly wanted hood members to claim

I would like everyone else to answer this.

Do you think that RR clearly wanted the Friendship Group to claim?

[Flavor Leaf]

but you both clearly wanted hood members to claim

I would like everyone else to answer this.

Do you think that RR clearly wanted the Friendship Group to claim?

No but if maestro is correct that was a subtle attempt to influence a reveal of members then it would be clear scum wanted that info! This is mafia we take an inch and assume a mile, sometimes correctly.

For me this is not the main plot. I understand the point

Exactly.

I'm fine with the call out of me.

I'm still advocating proudly that we should have em all claim.

My point is that Maestro was trying to tie me together with RR specifically with a bogus reason. There were better reasons to tie us together than that.

[Flavor Leaf]

but you both clearly wanted hood members to claim

I would like everyone else to answer this.

Do you think that RR clearly wanted the Friendship Group to claim?

pls provide relevant quotes, I ain’t going back for that rn

there are none because RR didn't do that.

[Flavor Leaf]

don't fuckin say it's a reaction test that you asked for real name claims........notareactiontestplznotareactiontestplznotareactiontest

[Flavor Leaf]

but you both clearly wanted hood members to claim

I would like everyone else to answer this.

Do you think that RR clearly wanted the Friendship Group to claim?

pls provide relevant quotes, I ain’t going back for that rn

there are none because RR didn't do that.

What is being construed as that, then?

@Maestro - what are the posts you thought RR was doing this. Quote them please.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Flavor Leaf]

sheep me

[Flavor Leaf]

i hate cult games with a passion

[Flavor Leaf]

if you kill me, you get confirmation of my info.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh wait that was a trap, wasn’t it?

everything's a trap. sometimes im just the one that jumps into just to feel a little something

[Flavor Leaf]

also, it's not opinion with Maestro's thing, it's fact.

We were looking at a number drawn on the ground from different angles, Maestro was arguing it was a 6, I was arguing it was a 9.

RR came out and said it was a 9.

I am factually correct in a semantics way.

I'm fine with you 'seeing it as a 6' at the time, and now i'm proven correct. :shrug:

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, NK15 was a bad fade, and that's coming from me who will fade my top town read if i think it's time to go forward.

[Flavor Leaf]

it wasn't that bad, just thought it was obvious they were town based on the pushback to DV. scum obviously wanted DV alive.

[Flavor Leaf]

it wasn't that bad, just thought it was obvious they were town based on the pushback to DV. scum obviously wanted DV alive.

I honestly don’t know why

scum dont want you dead because if you get your wincon, that's an extra player that's out of the game. this is cult, they need player numbers to go down so they can have majority. you getting faded yesterday would have kept us having an extra townie in the game + give you the ability to get your wincon and leave the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

damn maestro saying anyone can GET IT

long walk for a small sip of water

[Flavor Leaf]

lets just hear from Titus, and kill RR then.

[Flavor Leaf]

ah, Friendship Group has an action probs.

[Flavor Leaf]

maybe they have a guilty on RR.

[Flavor Leaf]

That my role PM says that there are actions shared by multiple people. Implying more than one.

still rly need to just close the tab so I don't see these notifications, but friend, you realize "factional" only = Scum/Cult in this game, correct...?

PE: unless that, I guess... can one of Drew/Dan share if they know about a Friendship "factional" ability? wouldn't such an ability necessarily be in NF15's role PM, or else it couldn't be considered "factional" & wouldn't be considered part of this assumption Thomith is making...? I would have strong words w/ any mod that considered it ok to give what they then called a "factional" ability to a group that is not a faction in the game, just a hood/whatever so I think this is all a huge jump

its seen it done a few times. i remember liking both games i saw with it too.

[Flavor Leaf]

im kinda leaning maestro town, the logic leaps they spittin feel too much to be scum, but idk

[Flavor Leaf]

on play, i dont see RR as scum here, I will say, but I'm feeling solid about Drew and Dan right now. Dan is a super strong scum player, though, so little paranoid, but I feel trusting my gut there is probably the right move.

drew, if town, we'll probably go after each other eventually, but our push on DV kinda put us on the same page

[Flavor Leaf]

I have also been described as "too much" when both Town & Scum

I haven't played a game in years; I am an enigma to you & that's ok lol

PE: wtf is a factional traitor cop uuuuugh

dont see it as scum you here. too much wanting to prove you could be scum doing this now

[Flavor Leaf]

so we can go back to my point about any Factional shit probably needing to be in NF15's role PM or else this is all kinda BS role-fishing 2: eelectric boogalloo, right?

PE: "so how does Flavor Leaf feel about Maestro? apparerntly even they don't know for shit; more news @11"

how to tell they're a First time with Flavor for 200.

[Flavor Leaf]

not gonna lie, that makes me feel like it's even more likely a scum is in that group

[Flavor Leaf]

how to tell they're a First time with Flavor for 200.

but it's not? you lying...? we literally just talked about how I knew your alt better than you recently - do you not play on the alt that I know? not trying to out-of-game influence, just respecting your wishes to maybe keep the accounts separate & fairly certain we have played together before but whatever

it's possible we have, but i dont believe it was in an era where I started playing on this account, so it's been a loooonnngggg time.

and ibarely remember what i had for breakfast yesterday

[Flavor Leaf]

i will flip flop on you 5 more times before i decide what i really think of your alignment, and that's pretty classic, so you trying to discredit like i dont even know my read on you is wack

i know my read on you, i just dont know if it's scum or town, right now im leaning town, initially i was leaning scum, does this make you town? no. does that make you scum? no. just where i am leaning at this exact moment in time

[Flavor Leaf]

Im rereading Radical's ISO, and it does kinda look like they could be informed of the Real Name things.

I can see them cozying up to me a bit too on the reread, so I think I kinda see what Maestro's getting at.

They're playing right behind me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh fuck, didn't realize deadline was that close.

I'll do Kitty, Titus, or any of the lurkers.

Absolutely will not do Theta or Flavor Leaf.

this could be a fake traitor association tell to try and take down either myself or Theta afterwards. We were both pretty active around this time.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh fuck, didn't realize deadline was that close.

I'll do Kitty, Titus, or any of the lurkers.

Absolutely will not do Theta or Flavor Leaf.

Titus gets put a lot into these, and they eventually turn and say they want Titus alive, so could be signaling to Titus/Kitty here. I think Kitty's town this game, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Titus, have you been reading the game?

[Flavor Leaf]

eh, im reaching. i thought there would be more. I spent some time looking over a couple ISOs for traitor crumbs a little while ago, but i didnt do too many people. might spend some time.

[Flavor Leaf]

what's the case on RR?

lol, i was gonna make a funny post, then forgot, and started playing the game again

[Flavor Leaf]

viewtopic.php?t=72397&hilit=boon

oh damn. Maestro was in an old school BooneyToonz game

[Flavor Leaf]

i dont think it typically call out lurkers to begin with?

[Flavor Leaf]

to be honest i forgot kawaii was supposed to be in the game myself or i might have proposed eliming them in the last days of day 1 instead of nk15

actiondan seems pretty good though so probably for the best that did not happen

they're already doing more than i've seen them do in the past few games ive played with them, but im okay blindly believing it to just be more time/energy/right mindset to play right now compared to the last few games.

[Flavor Leaf]

to be honest i forgot kawaii was supposed to be in the game myself or i might have proposed eliming them in the last days of day 1 instead of nk15

actiondan seems pretty good though so probably for the best that did not happen

they're already doing more than i've seen them do in the past few games ive played with them, but im okay blindly believing it to just be more time/energy/right mindset to play right now compared to the last few games.

I definitely have reason to believe Dan is town

i dont have any scum reads, so im happy to sheep

[Flavor Leaf]

I just don’t see Kitty ever saying that as scum