Mini Theme 2330 - A Questionable Almost-Normal Game - Postgame

[ketchup777]

hello hello hello

ten people beating me to the confirm? shameful on my part (I was asleep)

[ketchup777]

oh er

VOTE: DkKoba

an anagram of bad kok? sus

[ketchup777]

no content? guys would you rather be a horse or a dung beetle

[ketchup777]

no content? guys would you rather be a horse or a dung beetle

waiting on other ppl to show up

the buddies in your scum PT, you mean?

[ketchup777]

VOTE: ketchup

dam cold with it the heartbreak

when we departed, it was on a promise of storytime and the sharing of anecdotal joys. look how the degradation of mankind shows itself upon you!

(I just had my English lit mock)

[ketchup777]

First ketchup makes an entrance post that's nai imo. Then makes a joke post followed by a question that could only generate fluff followed by another joke post then now followed by another fluff post. Looks like they are just posting to post or looking to fit in.

Alternative theory they could be just excited to be playing

Evidence only last game ketchup played were they were town in a mini normal entrances are a stark contrast.

last time i was more shy and didn’t want to get into it before I fully understood what I was doing. not that I have much more of an idea, although I have since looked at loads of the roles on offer on the wiki and stuff and had loads of fun and now I’m here to enjoy myself. so an astute observation but unfortunately yeah I’m just having a good time

[ketchup777]

First ketchup makes an entrance post that's nai imo. Then makes a joke post followed by a question that could only generate fluff followed by another joke post then now followed by another fluff post. Looks like they are just posting to post or looking to fit in.

Alternative theory they could be just excited to be playing

anyway, while my fourth post was jokey, I was genuinely trying to get some reaction out of someone to analyse or fall back on later on. no one took up the challenge? Id say dung beetle cos it’d be like rolling a snowman all the time
Evidence only last game ketchup played were they were town in a mini normal entrances are a stark contrast.

[ketchup777]

First ketchup makes an entrance post that's nai imo. Then makes a joke post followed by a question that could only generate fluff followed by another joke post then now followed by another fluff post. Looks like they are just posting to post or looking to fit in.

Alternative theory they could be just excited to be playing

anyway, while my fourth post was jokey, I was genuinely trying to get some reaction out of someone to analyse or fall back on later on. no one took up the challenge? Id say dung beetle cos it’d be like rolling a snowman all the time
Evidence only last game ketchup played were they were town in a mini normal entrances are a stark contrast.

messed up quoting

[ketchup777]

Ketchup was really obvious town last game. So I'll give him time to settle in

thanks pre-pocketed bestie I’ll try not accidentally accuse you of being mafia this game unless you are mafia that would be badddd

[ketchup777]

First ketchup makes an entrance post that's nai imo. Then makes a joke post followed by a question that could only generate fluff followed by another joke post then now followed by another fluff post. Looks like they are just posting to post or looking to fit in.

How is their posting meaningfully different from everyone else doing the same thing

The lack of rvs voting. Others were talking to people they knew and making rvs votes. Ketchup comes in no rvs voting and no talking to people they knew.

Alternative theory didn't talk to anyone they knew because those players hadn't posted yet

So far I'm happy with my vote.

you think my vote is a serious one?

[ketchup777]

The slip makes the PC vote more reasonable though

UNVOTE: PC

not really judging you in a bad way but out of curiosity why would that mean you unvote?

[ketchup777]

The slip makes the PC vote more reasonable though

UNVOTE: PC

not really judging you in a bad way but out of curiosity why would that mean you unvote?

PC's vote felt pretty forced but they have forced votes as town too so we were looking for a trigger that would cause them to meta you in 37 there

Ok sure I thought it was just to get out of RvS

[ketchup777]

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

[ketchup777]

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Why do you think disengagement is scummy?

mafia lack motivation to scumhunt if they know everyone’s alignment so will be more likely to get caught in their web of lies, no?

[ketchup777]

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Why do you think disengagement is scummy?

mafia lack motivation to scumhunt if they know everyone’s alignment so will be more likely to get caught in their web of lies, no?

Sure but in this case where is the web of lies? Why would scum!PC lie about thinking you don't have an RVS vote when it can be easily proven that you did?

I don’t think it was a lie, I believe it was an accident. I just think the accident is more likely to come from maf doing a half-hearted job of scumhunting than an awesomely excited very eager to catch all of the mafia townie (hi you’re going down mafalafs)

[ketchup777]

aah I just had flashbacks to calling gypyx scummy mummy

[ketchup777]

56 kinda feels like a townie post

is overlooking an RVS vote by mistake alignment indicative?

Not really, but I'm gut townreading his tone and his eagerness to reevaluate

I mean he said he’s eager but I’m not seeing any eagerness to fix anything

[ketchup777]

it has only been 72 mins but he could’ve stopped to go talk about it in the thread of buddies with guns

[ketchup777]

I feel like I’m posting too much, sorry

[ketchup777]

I feel like I’m posting too much, sorry

Leave some posts for the rest of us, damnnnn

I tried to but noone told me if they would prefer to be a horse or a dung beetle

Very tragic

[ketchup777]

I don’t think it was a lie, I believe it was an accident. I just think the accident is more likely to come from maf doing a half-hearted job of scumhunting than an awesomely excited very eager to catch all of the mafia townie (hi you’re going down mafalafs)

why do you think town are *less* likely to make accidents and slips? considering that we are the uninformed faction? (i am aware this is kinda the opposite question of the one I asked black, but humour me)

because we can go with our true feelings and our mind will pick up from where it left off probably whereas (I imagine, haven't got to try it yet) mafia can easily slip up over who they had decided to fake suspicions on

[ketchup777]

I feel like I’m posting too much, sorry

Leave some posts for the rest of us, damnnnn

I tried to but noone told me if they would prefer to be a horse or a dung beetle

Very tragic

Dung beetle sized horse would be cute

for a second I pictured a horse sized dung beetle and I was terrified

yeah that would be cute (:

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Koba

Just to get it out of my system lol

nice try but i claim uncc miller VOTE: usespython

koba making this joke in a way that lets people laugh it off as a joke but would get a miller to say something feels kinda bad

No I actually claim Miller

Alianna feeling mean hehe, would be funny if there's no cops

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Koba

Just to get it out of my system lol

nice try but i claim uncc miller VOTE: usespython

koba making this joke in a way that lets people laugh it off as a joke but would get a miller to say something feels kinda bad

No I actually claim Miller

Alianna feeling mean hehe, would be funny if there's no cops

it's supposed to be a troll game so I expected either like 7 millers or just be uncc as a names townie

can you unacronymicize uncc please? (:

true

I claim not miller. investigate me if you want to find a town!

[ketchup777]

I fake claim miller

ooooh spooky

UNVOTE: DkKoba

unfamiliar with how often miller is gambitted. my instincts say it's more likely to be true though, as it takes out a lot of options for scum!koba. Well, I say that, but on second thoughts it is a pretty safeclaim actually. hmmmm. I'll pacify for now

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Koba

Just to get it out of my system lol

nice try but i claim uncc miller VOTE: usespython

koba making this joke in a way that lets people laugh it off as a joke but would get a miller to say something feels kinda bad

No I actually claim Miller

Alianna feeling mean hehe, would be funny if there's no cops

it's supposed to be a troll game so I expected either like 7 millers or just be uncc as a names townie

can you unacronymicize uncc please? (:

true

I claim not miller. investigate me if you want to find a town!

Uncc= uncounterclaimed

ah ok i was thinking uncounterclaimable

why did you say it was uncounterclaimed?

[ketchup777]

I fake claim miller

ooooh spooky

UNVOTE: DkKoba

unfamiliar with how often miller is gambitted. my instincts say it's more likely to be true though, as it takes out a lot of options for scum!koba. Well, I say that, but on second thoughts it is a pretty safeclaim actually. hmmmm. I'll pacify for now

it's actually a traitor soft

VERY SPOOKY

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Hu Tao
Serious vote.

why hu tao?

Vibes.

Why

not

Hu Tao?

sorry, im sure one of them (jobs/HT) is a joke. but I don’t know which one. Is top of your list most scummy or least scummy?

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VOTE: Hu Tao
Serious vote.

why hu tao?

Vibes.

Why

not

Hu Tao?

sorry, im sure one of them (jobs/HT) is a joke. but I don’t know which one. Is top of your list most scummy or least scummy?

koba*

[ketchup777]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Koba

Just to get it out of my system lol

nice try but i claim uncc miller VOTE: usespython

koba making this joke in a way that lets people laugh it off as a joke but would get a miller to say something feels kinda bad

No I actually claim Miller

Alianna feeling mean hehe, would be funny if there's no cops

it's supposed to be a troll game so I expected either like 7 millers or just be uncc as a names townie

can you unacronymicize uncc please? (:

true

I claim not miller. investigate me if you want to find a town!

Uncc= uncounterclaimed

ah ok i was thinking uncounterclaimable

why did you say it was uncounterclaimed?

because I don't see any other miller claims do you??

I meant, why feel the need to say uncc in the sixth post of the game (your first post)?

[ketchup777]

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

[ketchup777]

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but

who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

Bolded for emphasis. What do you call who knows if not fencesitting?

no you're right that may seem like I was unwilling to take a side. I'm just not confident in reads yet. I wasn't denying fencesitting there though, I meant (by voting you) I was not fencesitting. partly as a joke but hey I also don't really see get you're on me

[ketchup777]

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but

who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

Bolded for emphasis. What do you call who knows if not fencesitting?

no you're right that may seem like I was unwilling to take a side. I'm just not confident in reads yet. I wasn't denying fencesitting there though, I meant (by voting you) I was not fencesitting. partly as a joke but hey I also don't really see get you're on me

i cannot type

get why you're on me*

oh hi jackson

[ketchup777]

this is a new all-time high number votes on me I think hence marking an all-time low as a townie

*surprised meow*

[ketchup777]

How’s your first scum game going?

haha (:

i am terrified for a future game where I have to replicate my playstyle as scum lmao

[ketchup777]

I'm just not confident in reads yet.

This is believable. Titus has scumread me before for fencesitting early in a game and this was my reasoning

Are you saying I am believable or ketchup is?

Also, @Ketchup, if you understand my logic, why are you claiming to be confused and voting me?

…I thought I explained, my vote on you was more of a like 'look I’m not fencesitting!' vote. maybe it wasn’t as funny as I thought

[ketchup777]

VOTE: LG

I think the mindset displayed in 93 is probably more likely to come from scum. Scum don't want townies to find each other and it feels like she's bothered that I have a gut townread already

I was actually about to say that she seems different from the last game I was in where she was scum. Do you have any experience with her?

I agree I’m getting townie vibes from light, and from you, hu tao (:

I’d rather be attacked by dragons
than join these crappy day 1 wagons

[ketchup777]

VOTE: LG

I think the mindset displayed in 93 is probably more likely to come from scum. Scum don't want townies to find each other and it feels like she's bothered that I have a gut townread already

I was actually about to say that she seems different from the last game I was in where she was scum. Do you have any experience with her?

I agree I’m getting townie vibes from light, and from you, hu tao (:

I’d rather be attacked by dragons
than join these crappy day 1 wagons

Can you try to explain the townie vibes you're getting?

sure give me a few mins, it’s strawberry milkshake time

Very tasty

[ketchup777]

let's all go scumhunting!

VOTE: Doctor Drew

like I think a lot of what people on this site read as indicative of inexperienced scum is really more indicative of town that doesn't know site meta/culture yet

{DKKoba}
{Doctor Drew}
{Laplacian}
{usesPython}
{ketchup777}
{Hu Tao}

P1.

VOTE: DKKoba
lol

hi ranger I do not understand how you do the lists so early, pls explain

like is it all just vibes or is there anything more there

Light:

This sentence brought me joy. It reminded me of we‘re going on a bearhunt. I imagined Light as an innocent child (not of the role variety), holding hands with the rest of us as we set off into the sunset.

seems like a decent point

I was also curious about Ranger‘s lists, so someone on the same wavelength as me might be coming from the same alignment (the townnnn don’t frownnn the maf are going downnn

this part is in brownnn

)

[ketchup777]

For Hu Tao, I looked just now at her ISO but there’s not actually much there, I guess I was just taken in by her vibes and stuff. To me it seems fairly similar to last time so far. yay!

[ketchup777]

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

wasn't ketchup saying I was scum? odd.

I’m open minded. I only like 55%ed you scum, or whatever the scum%is + 5%.Titus attacking me a few times and not acknowledging my 36 has hit me the wrong way. half joke half scum read

[ketchup777]

anyway, where’s Arko? confirmed a while ago but nothing here

[ketchup777]

Currently, 13/13 players have confirmed.

"Last edited 2:19PM (10hrs ago)“

[ketchup777]

VOTE: LG

I think the mindset displayed in 93 is probably more likely to come from scum. Scum don't want townies to find each other and it feels like she's bothered that I have a gut townread already

I was actually about to say that she seems different from the last game I was in where she was scum. Do you have any experience with her?

I agree I’m getting townie vibes from light, and from you, hu tao (:

I’d rather be attacked by dragons
than join these crappy day 1 wagons

What about me do you think is towny so far?

159 but basically you just feel like the same person as in Thomith‘s game. if you’re amazing at maintaining the same personality whenever, then darn you’ve got me!for now

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For Hu Tao, I looked just now at her ISO but there’s not actually much there, I guess I was just taken in by her vibes and stuff. To me it seems fairly similar to last time so far. yay!

Okay this answers my question

oop you got there nvm

[ketchup777]

Is top of your list most scummy or least scummy?

Which one was accompanied with a declaration of being a serious vote?

I thought that might have been sarcasm
Especially cos DkKoba said he was your top acupressure or something so I got into a neverending cycle of despair

[ketchup777]

STOP AUTOCORRECT STOP
*scumread

[ketchup777]

After considering it. I decided it was probably my alternative theory of them just being excited.

Disappointing. You had a good thing going.

ranger becomes derangedr

[ketchup777]

you're my top acupressure at the moment

):

I’ll keep trying to help you see the light.
last time you seemed convinced early on I was town (tho faltered at parts) so I am alarmed I have been significantly different enough to get you going the opposite way. mystical

[ketchup777]

you're my top acupressure at the moment

):

I’ll keep trying to help you see the light.
last time you seemed convinced early on I was town (tho faltered at parts) so I am alarmed I have been significantly different enough to get you going the opposite way. mystical

Do you think JV is town?

Not sure yet. Aware last time I misjudged heavily

[ketchup777]

you're my top acupressure at the moment

):

I’ll keep trying to help you see the light.
last time you seemed convinced early on I was town (tho faltered at parts) so I am alarmed I have been significantly different enough to get you going the opposite way. mystical

Do you think JV is town?

Not sure yet. Aware last time I misjudged heavily

woahh I looked at the capital letters by chance and realised I accidentally crumbed NAI which makes sense in this context that’s crazy

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last time you seemed convinced early on I was town (tho faltered at parts) so I am alarmed I have been significantly different enough to get you going the opposite way. mystical

You seem to default to the assumption the difference is with you?

am I being dumb? what’s the alternative? if you saw me in a new light, it was probably something I did

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last time you seemed convinced early on I was town (tho faltered at parts) so I am alarmed I have been significantly different enough to get you going the opposite way. mystical

You seem to default to the assumption the difference is with you?

am I being dumb? what’s the alternative? if you saw me in a new light, it was probably something I did

Do you not know why Black asked if you thought I was town?

mmm I’m more confused. I thought she was just doing a bit of general probing to put me under pressure and stuff. what are you getting at?

[ketchup777]

this is a new all-time high number votes on me I think hence marking an all-time low as a townie

*surprised meow*

How’s your first scum game going?

haha (:

i am terrified for a future game where I have to replicate my playstyle as scum lmao

I massively dislike these two posts, if I were to try and put it into words it feels like they're trying to seperate themselves from the accusations and appear nonchalant about them but it's affecting them nonetheless.

I thought I’ve been playing even townier than last time so I was a bit surprised about being joint top wagon almost immediately (but it’s the early days so okkkkk). I think I missed a lot of important clues on day 1 last time. this time, I will not be so lackadaisical. If this gets me limmed, at least I’m having a good time (:

[ketchup777]

My god, this headache is blowing my brains out

the rare self-targeting vigilante

[ketchup777]

mmm I’m more confused. I thought she was just doing a bit of general probing to put me under pressure and stuff. what are you getting at?

What I'm getting at is that it's weird that you seemingly are not considering that the difference is that I'm a wolf this game. You're thinking the difference is within you first and foremost, even when you're not town-reading me which would be the only reason I would imagine this not come across in your head.

Oh ok i see.

Even if you’re a wolfy and making up your sus on me, I expected you to suspect that I would probably cross-question you on your reasons for it. so you had to have some 'reasons', reasons which can only have come from my ISO.

[ketchup777]

After considering it. I decided it was probably my alternative theory of them just being excited.

Disappointing. You had a good thing going.

i really thought I was cooking. it's alright if they are scum they will give me another opportunity. I think he might have slipped up on his vote on titus. why was he frustrated at that point in the game with only 2 people on him part joke vote part scum read? I'm not sure I buy it.

The stuff sounded impressive but you’ve got the wrong person.

I feel like too much is being made of my Titus vote.

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Even if you’re a wolfy and making up your sus on me, I expected you to suspect that I would probably cross-question you on your reasons for it. so you had to have some 'reasons', reasons which can only have come from my ISO.

Ain't no way

I’m so confused I feel like I’ve missed something else really obvious and everyone’s just mutually noticed it and judging me

[ketchup777]

After considering it. I decided it was probably my alternative theory of them just being excited.

Disappointing. You had a good thing going.

i really thought I was cooking. it's alright if they are scum they will give me another opportunity. I think he might have slipped up on his vote on titus. why was he frustrated at that point in the game with only 2 people on him part joke vote part scum read? I'm not sure I buy it.

The stuff sounded impressive but you’ve got the wrong person.

I feel like too much is being made of my Titus vote.

You have no idea how hard it is for me to get off of someone. To me it looks like you flailed from a slight push titus made.

a slight push is better than whyever the hell i voted Koba

[ketchup777]

mmm I’m more confused. I thought she was just doing a bit of general probing to put me under pressure and stuff. what are you getting at?

What I'm getting at is that it's weird that you seemingly are not considering that the difference is that I'm a wolf this game. You're thinking the difference is within you first and foremost, even when you're not town-reading me which would be the only reason I would imagine this not come across in your head.

Oh ok i see.

Even if you’re a wolfy and making up your sus on me, I expected you to suspect that I would probably cross-question you on your reasons for it. so you had to have some 'reasons', reasons which can only have come from my ISO.

This kinda feels like reasoning made up after ketchup was called out for talking to JV like he's town

Ok it seems like I’m inadvertently digging myself into holes. Full disclosure, I may have kind of blindsided on not thinking about Jackson’s alignment, but I was scared to admit that after both of you were on me for it. I’ve seen how Gypyx couldn’t survive after you were both on her. It might have been in the back of the mind, honestly I wasn’t really thinking about Jackson‘s alignment at all though. I was just looking at it from a 'what are the reasons for him suspecting me' kinda viewpoint. I hadn’t really considered alignment would matter, to be honest. I also have a slight reluctance to try and sort Jackson until necessary. I want new exciting gameplay! although a wagon forming on me a day in is not quite what I had in mind

[ketchup777]

I fake claim miller

ooooh spooky

UNVOTE: DkKoba

unfamiliar with how often miller is gambitted. my instincts say it's more likely to be true though, as it takes out a lot of options for scum!koba. Well, I say that, but on second thoughts it is a pretty safeclaim actually. hmmmm. I'll pacify for now

i think the miller claim D1 can be left for now

like i have a very, very old instinct to policy lim claimed millers that i'm trying to get past

sure I mean it won’t affect me really, I was just trying to work out if it was worth going into the claim or not. still new to the meta and all thattt. Good luck to any investigative role diagnosing that cesspit lol

[ketchup777]

After considering it. I decided it was probably my alternative theory of them just being excited.

Disappointing. You had a good thing going.

i really thought I was cooking. it's alright if they are scum they will give me another opportunity. I think he might have slipped up on his vote on titus. why was he frustrated at that point in the game with only 2 people on him part joke vote part scum read? I'm not sure I buy it.

The stuff sounded impressive but you’ve got the wrong person.

I feel like too much is being made of my Titus vote.

You have no idea how hard it is for me to get off of someone. To me it looks like you flailed from a slight push titus made.

a slight push is better than whyever the hell i voted Koba

so you were very aware of where your vote was and wanted to move it?

My vote was, in fact, on no-one. Voting someone is more fun tho.

[ketchup777]

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I actually though ketchup was newer than he is, but I'm still very inclined to townlean this way of thinking

don’t be fooled by my post count I’ve literally only played 1 game I just made 777 posts

[ketchup777]

I also have a slight reluctance to try and sort Jackson until necessary

Why?

Because we have already spent a long time back and forthing not so long ago (not that I didn’t enjoy myself). Also my current reads on anyone who was in the last game may be skewed.

[ketchup777]

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I actually though ketchup was newer than he is, but I'm still very inclined to townlean this way of thinking

don’t be fooled by my post count I’ve literally only played 1 game I just made 777 posts

actually that makes a lot more sense, thank you

it felt a bit rude calling you a newbie when you've only made 300 odd less game posts than me

Hehehe, hopefully I don’t get wagoned or nightkilled early then i can call

you

the Newbie.

I don’t have any objection to being called a Newbie though (:

[ketchup777]

Guys I'm a miller

added to the progressively more unhinged google doc of Thoughts.

[ketchup777]

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

having just said that, this response makes me feel very nervy about ketchup

nothing to fear here (:

[ketchup777]

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

wasn't ketchup saying I was scum? odd.

I’m open minded. I only like 55%ed you scum, or whatever the scum%is + 5%.Titus attacking me a few times and not acknowledging my 36 has hit me the wrong way. half joke half scum read

36 looks like gibberish. As far as I recall, we've never met. I put it down as trolling. What game did we play together?

OUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[ketchup777]

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

wasn't ketchup saying I was scum? odd.

I’m open minded. I only like 55%ed you scum, or whatever the scum%is + 5%.Titus attacking me a few times and not acknowledging my 36 has hit me the wrong way. half joke half scum read

36 looks like gibberish. As far as I recall, we've never met. I put it down as trolling. What game did we play together?

OUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Mini Normal 2325, I mean i know you weren’t there for that long but likeeee sad

[ketchup777]

Your titus vote wasn't a joke?

Would like some clarification on this as well, I kinda thought Ketchup was my spirit animal......but now fear I was just seeing myself in him a bit too much(play style wise).

The idea came after looking up what fencesitting meant and I was like woah, staying neutral? that sounds like something the mafia would do let’s not do that. but I assure my votes (at least by a couple days from now) will probably mostly be well thought out. Anyway, to answer the question of do i suspect Titus, ignoring post 244 for a sec, yes. A little bit. I wasn‘t expecting to be immediately attacked by any of the friends from a few weeks ago in their first post. And I thought I had made a friendly and recognisable reference to Titus, which I had expected to be reciprocated, but now was surprised when it was both ignored and she voted me.

With 244 having been posted, i guess Titus just gets around. 80,000 posts is a lot. Or she wasn’t truly invested in the last game idk. Anyway. It hurts, but it also explains her opening more.

Basically, I had definitely assumed Titus would remember me, even if we didn’t talk much. Context: I‘m pretty sure I had asked her to tell some interesting mafia stories at the end of a mini convo we‘d been having, but she was hammered before she could respond. So, on the assumption that she remembered me, her cold/standoffishish opening to me was weird.

[ketchup777]

LG not responding to or acknowledging her wagon feels kinda bad

Well than, let's apply more pressure

VOTE: LG

This vote was supposed to be attached to that post lol

the suspense was masterful

[ketchup777]

VOTE: ketchup

dam cold with it the heartbreak

when we departed, it was on a promise of storytime and the sharing of anecdotal joys. look how the degradation of mankind shows itself upon you!

(I just had my English lit mock)

just incase anyone‘s still having doubts about my Titus Vote, I’ll try prove what I said a minute ago.
'heartbreak'= betrayed by a loved one or friend. 'when we departed'= when Titus was hammered last game
'a promise of storytime'= Titus said she had lots of stories she could tell me
'the degradation of mankind' Titus ignored me and voted me (apparently as we just discovered because she didn’t remember me ): ). Also I’m studying very gothic novels so degradation in my head

[ketchup777]

Your titus vote wasn't a joke?

Would like some clarification on this as well, I kinda thought Ketchup was my spirit animal......but now fear I was just seeing myself in him a bit too much(play style wise).

The idea came after looking up what fencesitting meant and I was like woah, staying neutral? that sounds like something the mafia would do let’s not do that. but I assure my votes (at least by a couple days from now) will probably mostly be well thought out. Anyway, to answer the question of do i suspect Titus, ignoring post 244 for a sec, yes. A little bit. I wasn‘t expecting to be immediately attacked by any of the friends from a few weeks ago in their first post. And I thought I had made a friendly and recognisable reference to Titus, which I had expected to be reciprocated, but now was surprised when it was both ignored and she voted me.

With 244 having been posted, i guess Titus just gets around. 80,000 posts is a lot. Or she wasn’t truly invested in the last game idk. Anyway. It hurts, but it also explains her opening more.

Basically, I had definitely assumed Titus would remember me, even if we didn’t talk much. Context: I‘m pretty sure I had asked her to tell some interesting mafia stories at the end of a mini convo we‘d been having, but she was hammered before she could respond. So, on the assumption that she remembered me, her cold/standoffishish opening to me was weird.

Mehhhhh, this is a lot of words to say kinda nothing

Black, Jackson, Political Clout, You, Titus we’re all calling me out for my vote (among other things). I thought I may as well take a couple extra minutes to write a proper response.

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Arko

Will let Titus further develop her not remembering me claim. In the meantime, I will mercilessly target the AFK slot.

[ketchup777]

I‘m going to bed now. More than happy to answer any questions at me when I wake up, I have a day off school tomorrow which is fun.

[ketchup777]

don’t be fooled by my post count I’ve literally only played 1 game I just made 777 posts

This post is the only reason I'm not hopping on the Ketchup train*. They feel flailey, but this context is exactly how I'd expect someone who made 700+ posts one game to react to getting scumread.

*also more of a mustard guy tbh

I‘ll answer important things in a sec but NOOOO MUSTARD IS SO BAD
so tempted to vote you

[ketchup777]

mmm I’m more confused. I thought she was just doing a bit of general probing to put me under pressure and stuff. what are you getting at?

What I'm getting at is that it's weird that you seemingly are not considering that the difference is that I'm a wolf this game. You're thinking the difference is within you first and foremost, even when you're not town-reading me which would be the only reason I would imagine this not come across in your head.

Oh ok i see.

Even if you’re a wolfy and making up your sus on me, I expected you to suspect that I would probably cross-question you on your reasons for it. so you had to have some 'reasons', reasons which can only have come from my ISO.

This kinda feels like reasoning made up after ketchup was called out for talking to JV like he's town

Ok it seems like I’m inadvertently digging myself into holes. Full disclosure, I may have kind of blindsided on not thinking about Jackson’s alignment, but I was scared to admit that after both of you were on me for it. I’ve seen how Gypyx couldn’t survive after you were both on her. It might have been in the back of the mind, honestly I wasn’t really thinking about Jackson‘s alignment at all though. I was just looking at it from a 'what are the reasons for him suspecting me' kinda viewpoint. I hadn’t really considered alignment would matter, to be honest. I also have a slight reluctance to try and sort Jackson until necessary. I want new exciting gameplay! although a wagon forming on me a day in is not quite what I had in mind

Glad to see you're town again

glad you are as well

i hope (:

[ketchup777]

i demand attention

granted. do you have any actual thoughts about who might be scum, or town even?

yea ur mafia

i just pulled up light ganskis most recent game, looked at their early posts, concluded they were scum, and they indeed were scum. im feeling good about myself tbh

ok im ngl just relooked at LG's iso here and maybe im a little silly lol
VOTE: titus

heh at least you can read

I'm not sure I'm following the titus scumreads (koba/ketchup), either of you talk to me about it

I explained already but I had expected Titus to remember me. So I was right her opening was off, just not for the reasons i expected.

[ketchup777]

I do have a slightly tinfoil scum team of Black and JV right now

could you elaborate?

specifically why both of them together?

Just their interactions they have had, seems 'off' to me, and not in a way two buddies would interact in game, at least early on.......but in a way that scum and a traitor would interact in game when they have 'found each other'.

Again, this is a bit tinfoily......but making me squint at both of them.

I do hope I can dance with both of them sometime soon to see if there is actually any juice to squeeze there.

I’m not very (at all) familiar with traitors, but now you mention it some of Jackson‘s posts do look like he’s trying to say he’s the traitor? Saying at the start that he’s a wolf and trying to find the traitor would alert the real scumteam that it might be him, then whipping out a delayed miller claim in 228, both seem kind of traitory I think.

[ketchup777]

Light might be scum w ketchup

^^

I can definitely see this world

I cant (:

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Arko

Will let Titus further develop her not remembering me claim.

In the meantime, I will mercilessly target the AFK slot.

I did this a lot in my first game as scum

again, I feel like the focus on ketchup is very much picking the low hanging fruit

I wouldn't classify ketchup as LHF at all. In the last game we played he was pretty obviously town.

I'm not getting the same vibes here yet

May be a surprising discovery but we’re actually not the same person (:

Operation bringArkointothegame is being abandoned, I’ll trust Hu Tao‘s 326 combined with some of my own instincts to help apply some Laplacian pressure. His complementing Ranger‘s minimal amount of lists based on vibes after 1 post didn’t make much sense to me.

VOTE: Laplacian

But why

[ketchup777]

Hang on he said Scumpoints to ranger i misremembered oops
UNVOTE:

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Arko

Will let Titus further develop her not remembering me claim.

In the meantime, I will mercilessly target the AFK slot.

I did this a lot in my first game as scum

again, I feel like the focus on ketchup is very much picking the low hanging fruit

I wouldn't classify ketchup as LHF at all. In the last game we played he was pretty obviously town. I'm not getting the same vibes here yet

in my first ever game on this site eight years ago, I did a decently good job (as town) of coming across as fairly obvious town. like, better than i've normally been able to replicate since. in my second I got mislimmed, day one, *as an innocent child*. i think from experience that in first games, it can be easier to maintain a high, productive, solve-y *energy* that's easy to TR, but hard to maintain when the first game novelty wears off but you don't yet have the experience to be *confident* in your play, and ketchup very much comes across like that to me rn

I like this post (not just because it’s defending me) because I have had some of the same thoughts

[ketchup777]

also are we still RVS shitposting or is it tryhard time? want to check before I reread the thread

This kinda feels like Laplacian is trying too hard to say 'look, I didn’t ask this question in the mafia PT'

[ketchup777]

oh er

VOTE: DkKoba

an anagram of bad kok? sus

No I actually claim Miller

Dumb reason and actual reason mean I'm not voting DkKoba until like, day 3. Then we kill them and let

God

Mod sort them out

Why does my RVS start preclude you from voting Koba?

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Arko

Will let Titus further develop her not remembering me claim. In the meantime, I will mercilessly target the AFK slot.

considering that arko hasn't posted yet

do you suspect anyone else, besides titus?

the top suspects in no particular order: Black, JacksonVirgo, Ranger, Koba, Titus

the unsorted: Arko, Laplacian, Political Clout, Usespython

the top townies: me, Hu Tao, Drew, Light

[ketchup777]

the top suspects in no particular order: Black, JacksonVirgo, Ranger, Koba, Titus

the unsorted: Arko, Laplacian, Political Clout, Usespython

the top townies: me, Hu Tao, Drew, Light

what makes me a suspect and what makes usespythong unsorted?

I literally tried to post scummy on purpose to some extent with my 2nd post

I feel you might have said this after realising how bad your second post looked in hindsight.

Also, I feel maybe the Miller claim was a strategy you thought of before the game started if you were to roll scum, and just went with it when you did. Based on the premise of this game likely having wacky roles, this was the game you thought a Miller claim would be ok. Maybe.


Python I am getting more solving less trolling energy. can't say anything more rn 'cos going on a walk.

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Koba

Just to get it out of my system lol

nice try but i claim uncc miller VOTE: usespython

koba making this joke in a way that lets people laugh it off as a joke but would get a miller to say something feels kinda bad

why would mafia benefit from knowing who's a miller? if i understand correctly, something like 'miller gunsmith' is possible? or is miller a role not a modifier

[ketchup777]

The slip makes the PC vote more reasonable though

UNVOTE: PC

not really judging you in a bad way but out of curiosity why would that mean you unvote?

PC's vote felt pretty forced but they have forced votes as town too so we were looking for a trigger that would cause them to meta you in 37 there

the team is usespython, titus, and JV wrap it up folks.

so you were so consumed by hu tao posts you completely missed this? since your whole next page was talking about hu tao.

The whole next page was consumed by sorting Drew, Hu Tao was just a proxy to do so

nah you already admitted you saw it and ignored it because it was "shitposting" or whatever you said exactly i already forgot lol, no backtracking

We ignored 367 specifically, we still responded seriously to your serious posts

But this python

wdym

Hu said Lap was town reading her last few games, but Lap(In the JOAT game) targeted Hu because he thought she was scummy

I don't think Lap is scum here

same

VOTE: usespython

Struggling to see how your reading something this easy to verify as a lie instead of Hu misremembering

It was a very key moment in the game, Lap was adamant in not town reading Hu(speaking of the JOAT game)

Hu seemed to paint a different picture that was different than just 'misrembering'

Why do you think Hu would lie about that then

why not

Why do you think Hu would lie about that then

why not

Because it's trivially contradicted

hey hu tao this mf spewed you town lol

These posts feel like detective energy, Koba. Also, Python's argument with Drew feels like TvT

[ketchup777]

Is top of your list most scummy or least scummy?

Which one was accompanied with a declaration of being a serious vote?

How’s your first scum game going?

I like this fire from JV, vibe it town, and agree.

the top suspects in no particular order: Black, JacksonVirgo, Ranger, Koba, Titus

Elaborate on Black, Ranger and especially myself considering you just said that you had no read on me

Ranger:

This post felt actively unhelpful. I thought town!Ranger would be more likely to be more than willing to clarify any confusion over her reads list.

While thinking JV is town is fine, what is there to 'agree' with? Jackson asked a jokey question, not a statement. Didn't make much sense to me.

The mafia PT like (yes, it's fanfiction timeeeeeee)

JV: hoihoihoi Ketchup scares me hoihoi why I am scum
Ranger: om nom nom fear not Jacky boi
JV: Why? I'm very scared, even if I don't show it. I went to the supermarket to buy a cucumber and almost screamed when I got home 'cos I thought there was a snake in my bag
Ranger: tell you what, since I've already put Ketchup as fairly scummy on my Reads list, you push him, and I'll make some generic statement saying I like your posts, without actually voting Ketchup so we can stay separated
JV: ok sounds good
JV: I have done the deed.
Ranger: Ok I said I agree with you
JV: What that didn't even make any sense
Ranger: Whatever, no-one will notice haha
*the next day*
Both: AAAAAAH KETCHUP'S ONTO US

...

Also the lack of posts so far from Ranger in general a bit eh.

Especially

the lack of reads lists. The first 2 were fine, the infinite drought since not so fine. Ranger's playstyle of making readslists of genuine feelings about people at the time would work fine if she's town but it'll be a lottt harder to fake them if she's mafia I suspect.

Black

Actually, I take it back. I think I rushed into thinking she was scum because she was pressuring me, but actually I like some of her probing so far. She can drop back into the unsorted category.

JacksonVirgo

It feels like you're attacking small inconsistencies in specifically my posts, and I think you're tunneling. Whether that's scum or bad play I'm not sure, but between the traitor!Jackson theory and the mafia!Jackson+Ranger theories you can stay at the top for now.

[ketchup777]

Ketchup uses python...

woahh are the tags python? I actually didn't know that

[ketchup777]

You're taking liberal shortcuts there to discard the town pov of those 2 points

Sure, I don't deny that. I'm still a long way from voting you at the moment and having only 3 lists was in hindsight a bit restrictive. Next time I'll probably have 5.

[ketchup777]

Feels awfully opportunistic considering the general view on Black and I

Isn't the fact I've basically only voted with myself out of RvS, like, the opposite of opportunistic

[ketchup777]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You're tunneling on the wrong person again. I promise.

[ketchup777]

Would swearing it on people's lives be OGI?

[ketchup777]

@Ranger readslist please

[ketchup777]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

[ketchup777]

It feels like you're attacking small inconsistencies in specifically my posts, and I think you're tunneling. Whether that's scum or bad play I'm not sure, but between the traitor!Jackson theory and the mafia!Jackson+Ranger theories you can stay at the top for now.

It should feel like I'm doing that, because I am. I am seeing discrepancies in your play and I am calling them out. I'm not tunnelled, I scum-read you and there's a massive difference. I've seen many posts of yours that I would deem townie purely by tone but that does not outweigh the reasons I'm scum-reading you by any degree so I'm not harping on about them.

In your head, you cannot seem to see if my play is townie or scummy. So it's essentially NAI in your head and yet I'm in your top wolf pile because of random tinfoil theories you have with me and other slots? Assuming a traitor before anything else and then throwing me in a scum pool because of it. Right around the time people started pivoting to throwing my name out (and Blacks for that matter), and after you said you had nothing so you seem to be wanting to scum-read me but have nothing because you need to stay consistent and this is what you come up with. It doesn't feel like a genuine thought and this is a consistent behaviour with you this game.

Being in my 'top wolf pile' shouldn't be too scary. You've seen how wrong I was on some people in the early days last time.

Your playstyle is similar to last time, but I have probably been biased by your being on me. The fact that I am town is info to me that I will use to help base my reads, but I'll try to avoid saying it as much this game

[ketchup777]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Zzz

I couldn't care less about being in there, I'm saying the reasons you put me in it is scummy. Don't even

Is that the buzzing of a chainsaw I hear, as you prepare to mercilessly slaughter someone tonight?

Sure ok. I'd rather focus on other people for now, I think focusing on you is going to end up more of a waste of time than a help for anyone

[ketchup777]

Sure ok. I'd rather focus on other people for now, I think focusing on you is going to end up more of a waste of time than a help for anyone

I'm literally pushing you, the hell?

And I'm saying I think we've exhausted it now??

[ketchup777]

Ok, I'm still here. Feel free to query more of my posts.

[ketchup777]

Lmfao, what is this

There are 11 other people for me to sort and I don't think us having a massively prolonged debate 1 day in is very helpful.

[ketchup777]

You didn't even remotely respond to what I said, you pop in say that I read like my last game (which is a town game), shade me with a joke and then try and move the conversation away

441 and 452 don't count as responding to you?

[ketchup777]

It feels like you're attacking small inconsistencies in specifically my posts, and I think you're tunneling. Whether that's scum or bad play I'm not sure, but between the traitor!Jackson theory and the mafia!Jackson+Ranger theories you can stay at the top for now.

It should feel like I'm doing that, because I am. I am seeing discrepancies in your play and I am calling them out.

I'm not tunnelled, I scum-read you and there's a massive difference.

I've seen many posts of yours that I would deem townie purely by tone but that does not outweigh the reasons I'm scum-reading you by any degree so I'm not harping on about them.

In your head, you cannot seem to see if my play is townie or scummy.

So it's essentially NAI in your head and

yet I'm in your top wolf pile because of random tinfoil theories you have with me and other slots?

Assuming a traitor before anything else

and then throwing me in a scum pool because of it. Right around the time people started pivoting to throwing my name out (and Blacks for that matter), and after you said you had nothing so you seem to be wanting to scum-read me but have nothing because you need to stay consistent and this is what you come up with. It doesn't feel like a genuine thought and

this is a consistent behaviour with you this game.

Being in my 'top wolf pile' shouldn't be too scary. You've seen how wrong I was on some people in the early days last time.

Your playstyle is similar to last time, but I have probably been biased by your being on me. The fact that I am town is info to me that I will use to help base my reads, but I'll try to avoid saying it as much this game

Ok, response attempt 2.

Whether you scumread me or whether you're mafia, you're tunneling me. If you think it's justified, sure you do you (you're wrong tho). But you can't deny you're tunneling me.

Feels like you've got one theory (I'm mafia) and morphing everything to it. I think confbiasing is the appropriate term?

This is true. But the 'unsorted' category was more of a 'not a clue' category, so I have slightly more reasons to put you as mafia than as town, hence the 'top suspects' list which was maybe a bit of a misnomer.

Last time I was only able to really catch OutWorldEr by the fact that he had to be scum in every possible scenario. Obviously there are wayyyyy too many other possible scenarios right now, but, yes, I have 2 theories right now and you're scum in both of them. That's more than 'unsorted'.

I stole the idea off somebody else. Why not go after them?

I thought you said lots of my posts had been townie by tone...(Yes this one's a weak point on my end)

pedit: didn't read any of the posts made after writing this

[ketchup777]

But this python

wdym

Hu said Lap was town reading her last few games, but Lap(In the JOAT game) targeted Hu because he thought she was scummy

I don't think Lap is scum here

He said I was towny day 1. But he could have been lying. But I also don't think someone would parity cop a scum read

Why wouldn't they parity cop a scum read

[ketchup777]

the thing about finding people town is that no one in the history of mafia has randed mafia and only "slipped" in a single specific interaction or way, its a trackable pattern you can point to at multiple points, not just "this person did this 1 thing and that makes them mafia"

yes im subtly implying things about whats going on currently, but also would like to break down pushes

against who i consider in most worlds a likely n1 kill

and thus a waste of threadspace to push lol

I don't wanna dieeee ):

[ketchup777]

ok i just had a bit of a revelation. still think ranger is a good vote atm but lol rereading something with town python and town LG in mind after I had changed my mind on those 2 slots was pretty interesting implications for someone elses alignment

ooooh sounds good

[ketchup777]

the thing about finding people town is that no one in the history of mafia has randed mafia and only "slipped" in a single specific interaction or way, its a trackable pattern you can point to at multiple points, not just "this person did this 1 thing and that makes them mafia"

yes im subtly implying things about whats going on currently, but also would like to break down pushes

against who i consider in most worlds a likely n1 kill

and thus a waste of threadspace to push lol

I don't wanna dieeee ):

too bad its for the good of the people (im the people)

lucky i got 7-shot bulletproof right

[ketchup777]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

BANGER POST

THANK YOU

[ketchup777]

But this python

wdym

Hu said Lap was town reading her last few games, but Lap(In the JOAT game) targeted Hu because he thought she was scummy

I don't think Lap is scum here

He said I was towny day 1. But he could have been lying. But I also don't think someone would parity cop a scum read

Why wouldn't they parity cop a scum read

Cause it was 3 people. I'd assume you'd go for all 3 town. But I could be wrong. I've never been one before

Ahh okok i'm with you

[ketchup777]

Could he be lying? Maybe. But I've never seen a fake Miller claim so far when it's been that early

i have a special wheel of fakeclaims to make during d1 in normal setups to make sure to add variance to play and add plausibility so who knows...maybe i did fake it. heheh :3 but really i am trueclaiming here, since it is important setup info due to the gimmick. (but it is within my meta to claim negative utility as either scum or town while not having it)

could be wifom but i think Koba confessing this is towny

[ketchup777]

Could he be lying? Maybe. But I've never seen a fake Miller claim so far when it's been that early

i have a special wheel of fakeclaims to make during d1 in normal setups to make sure to add variance to play and add plausibility so who knows...maybe i did fake it. heheh :3 but really i am trueclaiming here, since it is important setup info due to the gimmick. (but it is within my meta to claim negative utility as either scum or town while not having it)

could be wifom but i think Koba confessing this is towny

It's NAI

i know you have more experience than me but i'm sure you can't immediately write it off as NAI. lots of things have

some

alignment hint

not permanently ignoring your colours post btw just procrastinating

[ketchup777]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

oh yeah also what I don't understand what you're trying to say Titus

[ketchup777]

Oh, back off. I tried to tell you to fuck off respectfully

So when I try to disengage from you it's a problem, but when Koba minipushes you they have to disengage?

[ketchup777]

It feels like you're attacking small inconsistencies in specifically my posts, and I think you're tunneling. Whether that's scum or bad play I'm not sure, but between the traitor!Jackson theory and the mafia!Jackson+Ranger theories you can stay at the top for now.

It should feel like I'm doing that, because I am. I am seeing discrepancies in your play and I am calling them out.

I'm not tunnelled, I scum-read you and there's a massive difference.

I've seen many posts of yours that I would deem townie purely by tone but that does not outweigh the reasons I'm scum-reading you by any degree so I'm not harping on about them.

In your head, you cannot seem to see if my play is townie or scummy.

So it's essentially NAI in your head and

yet I'm in your top wolf pile because of random tinfoil theories you have with me and other slots?

Assuming a traitor before anything else

and then throwing me in a scum pool because of it. Right around the time people started pivoting to throwing my name out (and Blacks for that matter), and after you said you had nothing so you seem to be wanting to scum-read me but have nothing because you need to stay consistent and this is what you come up with. It doesn't feel like a genuine thought and

this is a consistent behaviour with you this game.

Being in my 'top wolf pile' shouldn't be too scary. You've seen how wrong I was on some people in the early days last time.

Your playstyle is similar to last time, but I have probably been biased by your being on me. The fact that I am town is info to me that I will use to help base my reads, but I'll try to avoid saying it as much this game

Ok, response attempt 2.

Whether you scumread me or whether you're mafia, you're tunneling me. If you think it's justified, sure you do you (you're wrong tho). But you can't deny you're tunneling me.

Feels like you've got one theory (I'm mafia) and morphing everything to it. I think confbiasing is the appropriate term?

This is true. But the 'unsorted' category was more of a 'not a clue' category, so I have slightly more reasons to put you as mafia than as town, hence the 'top suspects' list which was maybe a bit of a misnomer.

Last time I was only able to really catch OutWorldEr by the fact that he had to be scum in every possible scenario. Obviously there are wayyyyy too many other possible scenarios right now, but, yes, I have 2 theories right now and you're scum in both of them. That's more than 'unsorted'.

I stole the idea off somebody else. Why not go after them?

I thought you said lots of my posts had been townie by tone...(Yes this one's a weak point on my end)

pedit: didn't read any of the posts made after writing this

What do you consider the difference? It's easy to label something as a tunnel when you don't like it. Do that for me.

I've been trying to sort you, seeing scummy things from you that outweight the townie things and thus came to the conclusion you're a wolf. Conf-biasing would be the term if I were conf-biasing which I am not doing, the game is still fresh and I'm making my arguments only for you to immediately try and discount them by labelling them as a tunnel or conf-bias instead of actually acknowledging them.

I will come back to this

Give me your whole scum tier, in order and with reasoning for each even if massively simplified.

Because I'm talking about YOUR reads dude, I don't care who came up with them. You're utilising them to the highest degree

I did because it's true, what does that have to do with what I said there?

what? I'm saying both count as tunnelling. If you mean how do you tell the difference between a scum tunnel and a town tunnel, I don't know. Just hope scum slips up a few times and uses flimsy arguments or something I guess.

"Conf-biasing would be the term if I were conf-biasing". mmmmm very helpful LMAO.
Anyways, why do you keep saying I'm not acknowledging them. I

am

trying to acknowledge them.

Ok.

1) scummy gal

Ranger:

have already explained. lack of reads lists among a couple other things is a bit sus.

2) not as scummy gal

Titus:

Titus has jumped up suddenly because it seems like she is low-efforting this game, but then again she did do that last time so idkk. But she is also on me. As I know lots of people (e.g. Hu Tao, Koba) are able to confidently townread me, votes on me are always a bit weird.

3) bronze medal

JV:

I don't know. Feels like you're tryharding to get me limmed if you know I might be a threat to you later on. But you're not top of the list.

yes, Black and Koba are not up there for now anymore.

Yes, you're talking about my reads. You're tunneling. I have nothing to hide though so it'll be like policemen banging down my door without a search warrant and then saying that they found a chocolate wrapper under the sofa that means I've committed 7 felonies, 4 heists and 6 kidnappings.

I meant, if you've "seen many posts of yours that [you] would deem townie purely by tone", it doesn't fully add up with "It doesn't feel like a genuine thought and this is a consistent behaviour with you[Ketchup] this game."

pedit: didn't read any pedits and I refuse to engage any further with you Jackson today.

[ketchup777]

They're telling me my push is shit because they think their way is better, that isn't a minipush.

That seems like a bit of an extreme way to frame it, but ok.

[ketchup777]

My entire point was that it's NAI because I like to make my scum and town meta overlap

I know. I'm just going off faint instincts.

[ketchup777]

I'm not going to look at the thread for 5 hours or so. final mock exam tomorrow may as well not flunk it.

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Ranger

vote might be important

anyway I dip again byeeee

[ketchup777]

Ok maybe ketchup is town

How so?

He's finally starting to feel like how he felt in our last game. Are you not seeing it?

I am to a degree, but that doesn't mean much on its own. Unless you know how his scum game differs from his town games.

I probably would have made 50 posts instead of 119

But guessing ofc

[ketchup777]

oh heyyyy drew how are you

[ketchup777]

Also, ketchup I am not low effort. I'm in trial.

Sorry. If I come off as rude it’s totally on me I kinda just speak my mind before thinking sometimes. …are you innocent?

[ketchup777]

pedit: didn't read any pedits and I refuse to engage any further with you Jackson today.

Are you joking?

I mean I’m not going to flat out ignore you but like. Where is this going, seriously. You’ve pressured me, maybe you’ve got what you wanted, I don’t know. It’s time to move on for now. Please

[ketchup777]

Town destroying itself while scum sit back sipping martinis any%

[ketchup777]

This does read like you are really tunnelled on Ketchup

Zzz

Drew is wolf

interesting, that post actually just pinged me as well

[ketchup777]

Town destroying itself while scum sit back sipping martinis any%

note I am underage so could not drink a martini therefore I am equivalent to an innocent child here

[ketchup777]

what? I'm saying both count as tunnelling. If you mean how do you tell the difference between a scum tunnel and a town tunnel, I don't know. Just hope scum slips up a few times and uses flimsy arguments or something I guess.

What do you consider a tunnel is what I am asking

Anyways, why do you keep saying I'm not acknowledging them. I am trying to acknowledge them.

You didn't seem to be when all your responses seemed to come up to is me being tunnelled which isn't talking about what I've been saying. Just throwing them in a bucket which is infuriating to say the least, especially when you keep trying to end the conversation when I'm just trying to get on the same page.

3) bronze medal JV: I don't know. Feels like you're tryharding to get me limmed if you know I might be a threat to you later on. But you're not top of the list.

And what's the difference between pushing my scum-read?

If I was so afraid of you, I'd pocket and/or shoot you

.

Yes, you're talking about my reads. You're tunneling. I have nothing to hide though so it'll be like policemen banging down my door without a search warrant and then saying that they found a chocolate wrapper under the sofa that means I've committed 7 felonies, 4 heists and 6 kidnappings.

Once again just labelling shit as tunnelling and moving on, jesus fuckin christ.

I meant, if you've "seen many posts of yours that [you] would deem townie purely by tone", it doesn't fully add up with "It doesn't feel like a genuine thought and this is a consistent behaviour with you[Ketchup] this game."

Behaviour and tone are different.

sorry i find colours easy so will go back to colours here

excessively focusing on one person without good reason. you can raise your points, but i don't think it's possible to confidently read anyone yet so early on and with all 13 of us still alive. I learnt my lesson from last time when luca finally convinced me he was 100% confident on bugs only to have the VT flip*.

sorry if you feel that way, I don't really have much more to say though yet

pocketing me would be questionable after we had very different views in MeLo last time. Shooting me could work, but idk. Probably not worth hyperfixating on why you've decided to heavily go after me. I hope you'll see the light soon

ok

*(although it was also kind of on me for not having enough patience)

pedit: hell yeahhh

[ketchup777]

Then by that definition I was not tunnelling you, and what does different views last time have anything to do with pocketing you?

in my opinion at least, you ticked both the 'excessively focussing (ok, a bit of a hyperbole but still) on one person' box and the 'without good reason' box

As to the latter half of your post, I think you'd find it hard to pocket me when you know I am aware of the dangers of siding with you

[ketchup777]

Then by that definition I was not tunnelling you, and what does different views last time have anything to do with pocketing you?

in my opinion at least, you ticked both the 'excessively focussing (ok, a bit of a hyperbole but still) on one person' box and the 'without good reason' box

As to the latter half of your post, I think you'd find it hard to pocket me when you know I am aware of the dangers of siding with you

The dangers

There's more to pocketing than having you side with me

Again my lack of terminology knowledge gets brutally exposed. What else constitutes pocketing?(:

[ketchup777]

I feel like a broken record, I was never tunnelled. I scum-read them, I made my arguments and they responded in a way that made it stronger. If having and pushing a read is a tunnel, then everybody who is pushing a scumread is tunnelled.

That’s in principle a good thing, it just felt weird that you had got such a strong sense I was scum so early. But it’s okkkkk

[ketchup777]

Well I consider it just doing anything to appeal to you as a person, as a way to soften your gaze towards me or to push you into a direction I want you to go into.

Aha ok. But yeah, you can try, but i like to think I can survive any charming attempts. You’ve seen how determined on things i will probably get once I start gaining more confidence about people. For now, I am happy to sit back and analyse what others are- wait why do I have a quarter of this games posts

[ketchup777]

That’s in principle a good thing, it just felt weird that you had got such a strong sense I was scum so early. But it’s okkkkk

Why is it weird? Chances are people are wrong in the early game regardless, that's the game. You being hyperaware of your own alignment may have something to do with that paired with how I show/force confidence, I don't know.

Parroting your points, yes, I am probably biased because I know I’m town and yes, you are a very confident person. Yes, people are probably wrong in the early game. Hence why I wouldn’t really have questioned a few posts going for me. But it just felt like whatever I said you bounded after. now I recently saw an Instagram reel of something bounding after something, and that was a dog, and dogs are wolves so er. yeah

[ketchup777]

Well I consider it just doing anything to appeal to you as a person, as a way to soften your gaze towards me or to push you into a direction I want you to go into.

Aha ok. But yeah, you can try, but i like to think I can survive any charming attempts. You’ve seen how determined on things i will probably get once I start gaining more confidence about people. For now, I am happy to sit back and analyse what others are- wait why do I have a quarter of this games posts

Majority of people think they're better than the majority of people.

I’m happy to admit there will be lots of people here who are better than me. I just hope im not a manipulatable person. using mafia to find out my inner truths lol

[ketchup777]

Not saying what you said isn't true, I don't know but food for thought

sure

I sleep now

[ketchup777]

I’m happy to admit there will be lots of people here who are better than me. I just hope im not a manipulatable person. using mafia to find out my inner truths lol

Oh please don't take that as me calling you worse than anybody else, that wasn't what I was getting at (and I absolutely do not mean that)

I just thought you were warning me not to think I’m better than everyone. What were you trying to say?

[ketchup777]

Umm, you have made a big to do, and still are, that you are not tunneled even though you are..... that's what I mean.

Am I high? A big to do?

You’re not high, I’m equally mystified

and sleepy

good angel: stop refreshing the thread
bad angel: tap tap tap

[ketchup777]

Ok maybe ketchup is town

How so?

He's finally starting to feel like how he felt in our last game. Are you not seeing it?

I am to a degree, but that doesn't mean much on its own. Unless you know how his scum game differs from his town games.

I think he could be good at faking his town self as scum. Like maybe ketchup realized what it took for him to get a bunch of townreads in the last game and started to emulate that once getting pushed here. I think it's probably more likely he's just town though

I hadn’t worked out if I was going to look back at what I did or just go into it as me if I rolled scum, but was glad when my green PM simplified things.

[ketchup777]

ok it’s cool you’re here and all black but I’m actually going to sleep for real this time, see you in a bit (:

[ketchup777]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

I'm starting to think he might actually be tunnelling town

why 'actually'? I thought you already thought I was town

[ketchup777]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

I'm starting to think he might actually be tunnelling town

why 'actually'? I thought you already thought I was town

to save u some time imma clarify that you misread bc they were referring to JV

Really? The post she quoted was definitely referring to JV tunnelling me

[ketchup777]

I lost my trial.

Oh no how long are you going to prison for D:

[ketchup777]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

I'm starting to think he might actually be tunnelling town

why 'actually'? I thought you already thought I was town

to save u some time imma clarify that you misread bc they were referring to JV

Really? The post she quoted was definitely referring to JV tunnelling me

im not surewhat u misunderstood. but yeah since JV is the one referred to be tunneling.. theyre like almost certainly referring to JV(and misgendering them oop)

There’s a difference between

'He might actually be a tunneling town' and 'He might actually be tunnelling town'. The latter, the one used, implies that the object of the tunneling,I, am town

[ketchup777]

I lost my trial.

Oh no how long are you going to prison for D:

she is a lawyer lol

ahh phew

[ketchup777]

Ok well maybe this is where I drop that I think lap/titus/ranger is my current running solve

150ish posts before that you said I was town. Want to explain the opinion flip?

yeah i was high asf

I think town would be more likely to get high tbh

[ketchup777]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

I'm starting to think he might actually be tunnelling town

why 'actually'? I thought you already thought I was town

to save u some time imma clarify that you misread bc they were referring to JV

Really? The post she quoted was definitely referring to JV tunnelling me

im not surewhat u misunderstood. but yeah since JV is the one referred to be tunneling.. theyre like almost certainly referring to JV(and misgendering them oop)

There’s a difference between

'He might actually be a tunneling town' and 'He might actually be tunnelling town'. The latter, the one used, implies that the object of the tunneling,I, am town

i think this is semantics that you might be owning yourself with lol i just dont get what the important of such a tiny micro part of their ISO is important here.

Juuuust a little inconsistency I noticed

[ketchup777]

Drewpoints can only be redeemed by registered Drewidians, not sure if ketchup qualifies

Drew's to say?

I do plan on recruiting Ketchup as a Drewidian, he is the Drew Vader to my Drew Sidious

HYPE

[ketchup777]

Ok, I read the stuff I missed, I’ll try reply to things aimed at me but only have 20 mins or so

[ketchup777]

Ok maybe ketchup is town

How so?

He's finally starting to feel like how he felt in our last game. Are you not seeing it?

I am to a degree, but that doesn't mean much on its own. Unless you know how his scum game differs from his town games.

I probably would have made 50 posts instead of 119

But guessing ofc

Do you think the best strategy as scum is to lurk and post less?

Best? No. Most commonly used? Probably. Humans gravitate towards laziness

[ketchup777]

pedit: hell yeahhh

Are you not curious at all why JV suddenly reversed course on you?

I’m curious but I was just happy it seemed like we’d temporarily escaped our arguing phase

[ketchup777]

Why do I keep accidentally getting pagetops

You’re just cool like that


Hi can I get cool points too

[ketchup777]

Ok maybe ketchup is town

How so?

He's finally starting to feel like how he felt in our last game. Are you not seeing it?

I am to a degree, but that doesn't mean much on its own. Unless you know how his scum game differs from his town games.

I probably would have made 50 posts instead of 119

But guessing ofc

Do you think the best strategy as scum is to lurk and post less?

im not ketchup- but yes i personally do because out of sight = out of mind

tadaaa

It’s always(usually) the quiet ones

[ketchup777]

The "you seem to be on a similar wavelength" line in particular feels a lot like it could be fishing

Or, they seemed to be on a similar wavelength. Considering they seemingly caught exactly what I caught, and asked ketchup if they thought I was town because of that discrepency which I then brought up and talked about. Don't kid yourself

response feels genuine...

Why is it genuine for sure and not frustrated wolf

[ketchup777]

jackson your gifs are making me laugh too much

[ketchup777]

I’ll drop you to unsorted

[ketchup777]

/like I think the likelihood of ketchup v jackson being TvT

is probably at least as high as it being TvS after the page 19 interactions

mm i think I was letting bias cloud my judgments, it does kind of feel like he’s town again (he was in the last one we played together)

[ketchup777]

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I actually though ketchup was newer than he is, but I'm still very inclined to townlean this way of thinking

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

having just said that, this response makes me feel very nervy about ketchup

I skipped paged 9 just light hedging their bets here.

Hmm I like this, interesting take. However aware that lots of people have said I say a bunch of stuff that makes them nervous so could be nothing

[ketchup777]

ok i just had a bit of a revelation. still think ranger is a good vote atm but lol rereading something with town python and town LG in mind after I had changed my mind on those 2 slots was pretty interesting implications for someone elses alignment

give us the tea, don't tease meeeeeeeeee

the tea was that i reevaluated jackson to more towny

I was hoping for something spicier, but I see nothing wrong with that

I read this as spider the first time, it all make so much more sense nowww

[ketchup777]

Ok well maybe this is where I drop that I think lap/titus/ranger is my current running solve

150ish posts before that you said I was town. Want to explain the opinion flip?

yeah i was high asf

I think town would be more likely to get high tbh

Because town!koba probably has nothing to hide whereas scum!koba has everything to hide. Allowing yourself to post to the thread while high as mafia would be an amusing but dangerous enterprise. On the contrary, being high as town would merely help to bring out your inner thoughts and you would probably appear more honest at the same time.

[ketchup777]

I'm pretty confident that lap is flipping scum here

Is still this only from misremembering JOAT or do you have other reasons?

Your town games you were more free. Here you seem nervous or something. Like unsure how to act.

Ironic since here I'm just going full stream of consciousness posting while last game I spent like 15 fucking minutes perfecting the wording on each of my socialist propaganda posts

So you’re saying there’s a contrast between what your towngame was and what you think looks like a towngame. Interesting

VOTE: Laplacian

Still heavy sus on Ranger and Titus but Laplacian also makes it into my top 3 now I think

[ketchup777]

so you're claiming? /jk

Crumbing, there's a difference!

Can someone explain the reference to me

[ketchup777]

Is top of your list most scummy or least scummy?

Which one was accompanied with a declaration of being a serious vote?

This misunderstanding feels like it should never have happened dumbtelling tbh.

Agreed

Look, if Ranger immediately votes his top townread next to his list, how am I supposed to magically work out that he was joking? Yes he said 'lol' but that could have just been because he thought Koba was so obvious, or something else entirely.

Anyway, I think Ranger has conveniently posted a few more lists so she can subtly slip onto the Light wagon, while getting off Hu Tao after getting no support there. I don’t think Hu Tao had done nearly enough to warrant being Ranger’s top scum read for 9 pages. She opened with her standard 'Hi.’ and then a few other friendly posts, nothing scummy at all imo. Ranger’s reads list feels very forced, as though she knows she is endplayed into this line of play style but unsure who to say she suspects. The stopping of reads lists after getting to a point where she could vote Lightganski also feels oh so conveeeeeenient

[ketchup777]

Oops messed up quoting. that should be it from me now though. Want to vote Ranger but Lap’ll be ok for now

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Hu Tao
Serious vote.

why hu tao?

Vibes.

Why

not

Hu Tao?

A very generic and evasive answer

[ketchup777]

Usually vibes come with like a reason. Like did one of my posts come off weird to you?

Yes, all of them.

Again, no specifics. Feels like she knows she’s making it up

[ketchup777]

Is top of your list most scummy or least scummy?

Which one was accompanied with a declaration of being a serious vote?

This misunderstanding feels like it should never have happened dumbtelling tbh.

Agreed

Look, if Ranger immediately votes his top townread next to his list, how am I supposed to magically work out that he was joking? Yes he said 'lol' but that could have just been because he thought Koba was so obvious, or something else entirely.

Anyway, I think Ranger has conveniently posted a few more lists so she can subtly slip onto the Light wagon, while getting off Hu Tao after getting no support there. I don’t think Hu Tao had done nearly enough to warrant being Ranger’s top scum read for 9 pages. She opened with her standard 'Hi.’ and then a few other friendly posts, nothing scummy at all imo. Ranger’s reads list feels very forced, as though she knows she is endplayed into this line of play style but unsure who to say she suspects. The stopping of reads lists after getting to a point where she could vote Lightganski also feels oh so conveeeeeenient

You got the order wrong. Top of the list is town, bottom is scum.

No I’ve realised that now. I’m taking about 49 as why I was confused which way up the reads list went. Danger voted Koba, his top town read. I knew one of the Koba/Hu Tao votes were a joke but I didn’t know which

[ketchup777]

Sorry, Ranger and her*

[ketchup777]

Ketchup what's your read on Hu Tao

Town because she feels very similar to Mini Normal 2325 which I just played with her, where she was also town. I can do an ISO dive at some point but I might save most of those until day 2 (if I’m alive)

[ketchup777]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

I'm starting to think he might actually be tunnelling town

why 'actually'? I thought you already thought I was town

I believe they're referring to me being town AND tunnelling moreso than tunnelling someone that is town

okay I probably misread the first time thanks peoples

[ketchup777]

Oh no how long are you going to prison for D:

Spat out my drink

I thought I might be wrong but I was genuinely concerned. My first thought was oh no we’re going to need a replacement lmao

Then I thought maybe Titus has just been fined for drunk driving or something

but being a lawyer would add up

[ketchup777]

I think town would be more likely to get high tbh

Nahhh but like it’s a good point I think. Mafia might get high if they start getting wagoned in the late game but I don’t think scum!koba has the motivation to smoke some joints here

[ketchup777]

Juuuust a little inconsistency I noticed

Weren't you previously getting all up in my face about talking about small inconsistencies?

true dat you got me. But when I came to explain the inconsistencies, you just went after my responses too. The never ending cycle D:

Why do I keep accidentally getting pagetops

You’re just cool like that


Hi can I get cool points too

You already have more cool points than you can handle

Aww (:

I’ll drop you to unsorted

My headcanon is that you're dropping me

because

of the gifs.

I make no comment upon the accuracy of this statement (;

[ketchup777]

Do you have any other reads of Ranger that you disagree with/don't understand

At the other end of the spectrum, placing Jackson as most confident townread clashed somewhat with my reads. The rest is middling stuff so whatever

[ketchup777]

UNVOTE:

Because I have no idea what’s happened while I’ve been gone

[ketchup777]

I'm in for a treat when I can catch up.

Speaking of, may be busy. Had dishwasher explode and ruin $300 of stuff last night. Will try.

And she sacrifices
THE DISHWASHERRRR

[ketchup777]

town python be big srs mode and scum python constantly cracks jokes and has trouble being serious

Interestingly, you generally feel the inverse, and this game feels a serious mode from vibes.

Ehh I would say there’s been a lot of jokes from koba, no?

[ketchup777]

I think Ranger has conveniently posted a few more lists so she can subtly slip onto the Light wagon, while getting off Hu Tao after getting no support there.

I'm honored you think I'm capable of giving that level of forethought.

Alas.

I don’t think Hu Tao had done nearly enough to warrant being Ranger’s top scum read for 9 pages.

It started as bad vibes of Hu Tao looking like scum putting effort in to look town, although later content made me doubt my scumread there. Hu Tao's no longer a scumread so much as among my least-town slots so far.

The stopping of reads lists after getting to a point where she could vote Lightganski also feels oh so conveeeeeenient

Please do not call into question my real life as the reason I stopped is immediately after I posted my last post my fiance began to panic, noticing leaking soapwater all over the kitchen emanating from our dishwasher.

you seem pretty competent to me, and using these reads lists must be a familiar enough format for you that you’ve generated some ideas on how to best manipulate them as scum. I’m sure you would know how to do something like what I suggested

you answered my question, but i don’t seem this a promising answer. It feels very unbacked up/ shovelling it all onto vibes, and very convenient in being able to take the read 1 way or the other depending on what best suits you at the time. Methinks.

ok… i didn’t know that lolll. you can see where I’m coming from though, no?

[ketchup777]

UNVOTE:

Because I have no idea what’s happened while I’ve been gone

I'm curious about the thought process behind this unvote

I noticed people voting people at the end when I logged on and didn’t want to accidentally be E-1ing Laplacian. I think it’s good so might hop back on in a min but yeah caution first

[ketchup777]

UNVOTE:

Because I have no idea what’s happened while I’ve been gone

I'm curious about the thought process behind this unvote

I noticed people voting people at the end when I logged on and didn’t want to accidentally be E-1ing Laplacian. I think it’s good so might hop back on in a min but yeah caution first

What's wrong with putting me at E-1? Means I'll claim, and if you think I'm scum then you should be happy to put me there

It’s early days, and in my first game i played a few weeks ago someone was at E-2, i decided to vote them for some action and that quickly got hammered and I was not very proud of myself

[ketchup777]

UNVOTE:

Because I have no idea what’s happened while I’ve been gone

I'm curious about the thought process behind this unvote

I noticed people voting people at the end when I logged on and didn’t want to accidentally be E-1ing Laplacian. I think it’s good so might hop back on in a min but yeah caution first

What's wrong with putting me at E-1? Means I'll claim, and if you think I'm scum then you should be happy to put me there

It’s early days, and in my first game i played a few weeks ago someone was at E-2, i decided to vote them for some action and that quickly got hammered and I was not very proud of myself

This was at a similar point on day 1

[ketchup777]

If you actually are town I don’t want to force you into claiming

[ketchup777]

Part of my vote on you is also a VCA social experiment

[ketchup777]

{JacksonVirgo, ketchup777}

@ketchup

Spoiler: tw: flashy lights

woahhh our argument turned us into friendly neighbours

[ketchup777]

{JacksonVirgo, ketchup777}
{usesPython, Black}
{Political Clout, Hu Tao}
{Doctor Drew}
{Titus}
{DKKoba}
{light_ganski}
{Laplacian}

P26

Ok now I’m liking the list more, although I still think Koba is time after getting high

[ketchup777]

town*

[ketchup777]

So you’re saying there’s a contrast between what your towngame was and what you think looks like a towngame. Interesting

VOTE: Laplacian

Still heavy sus on Ranger and Titus but Laplacian also makes it into my top 3 now I think

Also, Ranger's voted me and I've dropped to the bottom of the List. Does that mean you're rethinking ranger & me both as scum or do you think they're using the list to bus me?

I haven’t thought about you being partnered, just both sus in isolation

[ketchup777]

VOTE: light_ganski

Every post is a regression to the mean. She goes to defend people as soon as anyone posts a scumread, pushing against them as if they don't want any scum to be found. No strong reads or votes. Even L_G voting for me isn't "Lap is scum," it's "lets see where this goes".

This feels like more of a panic vote at being at E-2 and having another wagon opportunity rather than a genuine belief Light is scum

[ketchup777]

It'd be really funny if everyone disappeared over the weekend so that we spend the entire phase active when no one else is on

This was a joke not an invitation

i will have to dip Sunday but I’ll be around tomorrow. I just bought more Alice in borderland manga to help fuel my addiction so will be reading that as well (:

[ketchup777]

{Political Clout}
{Titus, Hu Tao}

P20

{Political Clout, Hu Tao}
{Titus}

P21

None of these people posted on page 21, what prompted the change?

I think this is either scum!Ranger+town!python being on the ball or scum!Ranger+scum!Python Ranger letting Python 'notice' something to look good

[ketchup777]

{Political Clout}
{Titus, Hu Tao}

P20

{Political Clout, Hu Tao}
{Titus}

P21

None of these people posted on page 21, what prompted the change?

I think this is either scum!Ranger+town!python being on the ball or scum!Ranger+scum!Python Ranger letting Python 'notice' something to look good

or both town, sorry. i think it’s unlikely it’s scum!python+town!ranger

[ketchup777]

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:

Because I have no idea what’s happened while I’ve been gone

I'm curious about the thought process behind this unvote

I noticed people voting people at the end when I logged on and didn’t want to accidentally be E-1ing Laplacian. I think it’s good so might hop back on in a min but yeah caution first

If you actually are town I don’t want to force you into claiming

Part of my vote on you is also a VCA social experiment

{JacksonVirgo, ketchup777}
{usesPython, Black}
{Political Clout, Hu Tao}
{Doctor Drew}
{Titus}
{DKKoba}
{light_ganski}
{Laplacian}

P26

Ok now I’m liking the list more, although I still think Koba is time after getting high

It feels like there is a disconnect here. You like Ranger's list which I'm assuming means Lap is your #1 suspect too, but you were afraid of him being at e-1 because you don't want him to claim, and you don't want him to claim because he might be town? Am I understanding that correctly

Also I'm not sure why you're mentioning the social experiment here? It feels like you're trying to justify unvoting for Lap. What is the experiment and how big of a factor was it in your vote?

Nope, my top suspect is probably still Ranger. I never claimed that Lap was my top scumvote, but I can understand why someone would put him up there. Basically I’ll let people differ in reads unless it seems wayyy out.

I probably made it sound overly fancy, just like 'what happens? who jumps on?' instincts tell me that the people who jump fourth, fifth, sixth onto wagons are a bit sus (why do i keep jumping on at sus points frick)

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Ketchup777

wait, i can’t look too innocent, i might get nightkilled ):

[ketchup777]

Cuz I’m a wolf and we have a traitor I don’t wanna accidentally kill

No biggie, sure you can understand

it's okay i get it, playing to your win condition and all that <3

OMG WHAT IF THIS ISNT A LOVEHEART BUT IS ACTUALLY A LESS THAN 3; LIGHT IS HINTING THAT SHE KNOWS THERE ARE LESS THAN 3 MAFIA WHO KNOW EACH OTHERS IDENTITY

[ketchup777]

VOTE: light_ganski

Every post is a regression to the mean. She goes to defend people as soon as anyone posts a scumread, pushing against them as if they don't want any scum to be found. No strong reads or votes. Even L_G voting for me isn't "Lap is scum," it's "lets see where this goes".

This feels like more of a panic vote at being at E-2 and having another wagon opportunity rather than a genuine belief Light is scum

Go reread light's ISO and tell me they're doing actual work. Twice the posts of me and nothing of substance

75 could be a pre planned interaction between Light and Ranger, I suppose. Some of the other things she said have felt genuine though

[ketchup777]

Cuz I’m a wolf and we have a traitor I don’t wanna accidentally kill

No biggie, sure you can understand

it's okay i get it, playing to your win condition and all that <3

OMG WHAT IF THIS ISNT A LOVEHEART BUT IS ACTUALLY A LESS THAN 3; LIGHT IS HINTING THAT SHE KNOWS THERE ARE LESS THAN 3 MAFIA WHO KNOW EACH OTHERS IDENTITY

What made you look back at this post?

Laplacian told me to go reread Lightganski’s ISO in 854. So I did. Tho i confess I think I only read like 2/3 of it

[ketchup777]

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:

Because I have no idea what’s happened while I’ve been gone

I'm curious about the thought process behind this unvote

I noticed people voting people at the end when I logged on and didn’t want to accidentally be E-1ing Laplacian. I think it’s good so might hop back on in a min but yeah caution first

If you actually are town I don’t want to force you into claiming

Part of my vote on you is also a VCA social experiment

{JacksonVirgo, ketchup777}
{usesPython, Black}
{Political Clout, Hu Tao}
{Doctor Drew}
{Titus}
{DKKoba}
{light_ganski}
{Laplacian}

P26

Ok now I’m liking the list more, although I still think Koba is time after getting high

It feels like there is a disconnect here. You like Ranger's list which I'm assuming means Lap is your #1 suspect too, but you were afraid of him being at e-1 because you don't want him to claim, and you don't want him to claim because he might be town? Am I understanding that correctly

Also I'm not sure why you're mentioning the social experiment here? It feels like you're trying to justify unvoting for Lap. What is the experiment and how big of a factor was it in your vote?

Nope, my top suspect is probably still Ranger. I never claimed that Lap was my top scumvote, but I can understand why someone would put him up there. Basically I’ll let people differ in reads unless it seems wayyy out.

I probably made it sound overly fancy, just like 'what happens? who jumps on?' instincts tell me that the people who jump fourth, fifth, sixth onto wagons are a bit sus (why do i keep jumping on at sus points frick)

Why Ranger? And why would you rather go back to the Lap wagon instead of vote for her?

I know there’s a lot of posts to wade through but I have explained my thoughts on Ranger multiple times. I might just be new to her meta but I think she’s remaining very fluid on who to vote and not creating a genuine readslist. When I suggested that she only made as many reads lists as necessary to shift onto Light, her response was not ‘no i wasn’t doing that' but(paraphrasing) 'I would not be capable of doing that'. +microwave problems which obviously seems NAI. I get the sense that they

would

be capable of doing that, so the response felt like a lie.

However, I might be reading into it too much. I’m actually lacking many confident reads at all yet

[ketchup777]

Oh fuck I love playing with you

phew, you had me scared when you called me infuriating a couple times jacky-snacky

[ketchup777]

The lists are NAI for Ranger. If you're voting her because of the lists then it's a waste of time

But that’s like 3/4 of her posts

[ketchup777]

Oh fuck I love playing with you

phew, you had me scared when you called me infuriating a couple times jacky-snacky

Yeah, my choice of words can be poor at times whoops. Whenever you say cute ass names like that it gives me Noraa vibes, I miss her

aww i don’t know who Nora is but now I miss them toooo

[ketchup777]

Oh shit

Every time I read this it makes me laugh at the randomness, but er, what were you alarmed about?

[ketchup777]

I feel like I keep getting lost in this game. let me reread the game again gimme a second or two.

Sounds good, but I’m going sleepies catch you another time