Locktown!
What??? I thought you were pretty good at reading me.In post 20, DkKoba wrote: oh no i hate reading all of you except like black who is polarized
Your avatar is really awesome!
Black is my first serious townread.In post 29, Black wrote:I think the last time we played was when we caught KiraIn post 17, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Oh yeah, been a bit since we've played a game together Black.
Shall we catch some wolves?
Skimming through the setup thread briefly, it looks like this is likely for a lot of the roles thereIn post 33, DkKoba wrote: btw my role has potential to be either hilariously useful or uninterestingly useless.
i hope its the former because that would be extremely epic for the type of role i have
it even has the potential to aid scum if the circumstances are right
What about when you're aligned with the *smashing keyboard furiously*?In post 18, DkKoba wrote: when ur aligned with the *throws up*
We are Rogue characters in different D&D worlds that are played by the Hydra Heads.In post 48, Black wrote:Also is this tag based on the Neil Gaiman book?In post 43, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: Corinne
Why the vote changes?
- TheranIn post 109, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote:We are Rogue characters in different D&D worlds that are played by the Hydra Heads.In post 48, Black wrote:Also is this tag based on the Neil Gaiman book?In post 43, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: Corinne
Why the vote changes?
I mean not that I saw?In post 111, Ausuka wrote:do you think there's anything in the vulpix iso that might make me want to switch votes?In post 109, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote:We are Rogue characters in different D&D worlds that are played by the Hydra Heads.In post 48, Black wrote:Also is this tag based on the Neil Gaiman book?In post 43, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: Corinne
Why the vote changes?
To be honest the whole vibe around the shadow wagon felt mostly jokey tone wise, to me at least I don't think it felt like it was a serious read, and felt the same about most of the other people talking about shadow being confscum (koda being the one that immediately comes to mind)In post 113, Black wrote: Not really sure how to feel about tris. Pressuring someone that hadn't even posted kinda felt like she was trying to do stuff to earn town points
There's like this undertone of joking that I'm getting with tris's posts that makes me think she's not being serious and that is making it hard for me to read her. The whole "shaddow is sus" to "shaddow is conf town" just feels like a joke, and I'm wondering if scum!her would post this way to back out of reads or something
Yes
To be fully honest I repped out of that game pretty quickly and tried my best to forget about it. And I thought your read of me was pretty good on VCM.In post 55, DkKoba wrote: i literally shitpushed u for a whole dayphase(assuming this is DE70) when we were TvT or did u forget (also never caught u as scum b4 so i dont have a baseline there)
Not exactly forced, but I tend to exaggerate my early game reads to advance ganestate, yes.In post 56, DkKoba wrote:i do not believe the bolded is a genuine belief and is, in the most charitable interpretation, a forced read in an attempt to advance gamestateIn post 43, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote:Locktown!What??? I thought you were pretty good at reading me.In post 20, DkKoba wrote: oh no i hate reading all of you except like black who is polarizedYour avatar is really awesome!In post 29, Black wrote:I think the last time we played was when we caught KiraIn post 17, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Oh yeah, been a bit since we've played a game together Black.
Shall we catch some wolves?Black is my first serious townread.
- Corinne
Yeah this is scum!HPE methinksIn post 131, HighPrincessErinys wrote:cause a flip this early is a terrible idea lol
That's a weird question to ask right after your interaction with HPE. Do you have any thoughts of its alignment?In post 133, Roden wrote: Would you like to join me on Shaddow in the mean time at least?
Idk, from my limited experience with Adorable this sounds like her natural tone / way of expression.In post 143, Ausuka wrote:Hm ok.In post 121, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: I mean not that I saw?
The reason for my vote is that vulpix's posts felt a bit cautious to me, particularly 84 which doesn't feel like a massively natural response for someone who doesn't 'get the joke' on the shadow wagon - I'd expect them to push back on it like black and hpe did. Also, 77 felt off coming from someone who apparently knows Koba.
Not my fault Black and Roden decided to also scumread you after you were being scummy.In post 210, HighPrincessErinys wrote: this one smells opportunist
I believe this.In post 147, Flare Fluff wrote: I only have 1 player I'm leaning town on and the rest of the players I can't even read.
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Okay then what towny thing did ypu do this game?In post 213, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Your fault for having a bad read, thoIn post 212, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote:Not my fault Black and Roden decided to also scumread you after you were being scummy.In post 210, HighPrincessErinys wrote: this one smells opportunist
I feel like wagon analysis is helpful, as it can lead to figuring out motivations to posting which can lead to spotting slip ups. Granted it does seem to be more helpful later on once we have flips.In post 160, Flare Fluff wrote:It looks like you are basing your reads on wagon analysis which is not helpful for reads and it's better to look at the content of the posts. Are you town reading Shadow and Ausuka since you said you suspected there could have been scum on their wagon?In post 155, HighPrincessErinys wrote: It's possible albeit improbable that scum split themselves up, with one being on Shadow while that was hot and another going onto Ausuka. More likely however is one in six is scum and the outlier is in Flare Fluff or the Rogues.
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What don't you like about it?In post 220, tris wrote:dont like this postIn post 207, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: Thoughts up to page 5:
Koba is probably town
vibes wise I don't like HPE
Ausuka - Idk her posting is giving me slightly weird vibes but I don't think this means she has to be scum. I also haven't ever been in a game with Ausuka so I am not rly sure how to read her (oh wait nvm I just realized I HAD been in a game with Ausuka but I was scum). Uhhhhh actually I guess she has different vibes to that game so that could mean she's scum? Dunno
tris - literally 0 clue how to read
everyone else hasn't even made an impression on me.
Huh? Have you ever had a thought like that as scum and then worked backwards from there??? That's not something that scum players do.In post 176, Ausuka wrote:By cautious, I mean it feels deliberate and like you are holding back in some way?In post 151, Flare Fluff wrote:Can you explain what do you mean by cautious?In post 143, Ausuka wrote:Hm ok.In post 121, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: I mean not that I saw?
The reason for my vote is that vulpix's posts felt a bit cautious to me, particularly 84 which doesn't feel like a massively natural response for someone who doesn't 'get the joke' on the shadow wagon - I'd expect them to push back on it like black and hpe did. Also, 77 felt off coming from someone who apparently knows Koba.
I don't understand on what you're saying on this post when you talked about me not getting the jokes on them. At first the votes did look like rvs and once when I saw Shadow being discussed some more about not showing up, it didn't look like a joke to me and I started wondering maybe the players have never played with Shadow and I wanted to clear this up through my experience with Shadow.
Can you also elaborate on what what do you find that's off about 77
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Re: the second paragraph, I think if you thought we were being serious your reaction would have more "what the fuck" alongside it, similar to black and HPE.
I think 77 may come from an unnatural thought process because I don't believe the thought "Koba plays like Not_Mafia" is organic coming from someone who has played with Koba before. It feels constructed, like you thought "I should make a post about how I'm very concerned about eliminating people in RVS" and worked backwards from there, which I think scum are more likely to do.
Hm?
Ausuka was "I didn't get this vibe from town!Ausuka in the past so could be scum"In post 240, shaddowez wrote:In post 207, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: Thoughts up to page 5:
Koba is probably town
vibes wise I don't like HPE
Ausuka - Idk her posting is giving me slightly weird vibes but I don't think this means she has to be scum. I also haven't ever been in a game with Ausuka so I am not rly sure how to read her (oh wait nvm I just realized I HAD been in a game with Ausuka but I was scum). Uhhhhh actually I guess she has different vibes to that game so that could mean she's scum? Dunno
tris - literally 0 clue how to read
everyone else hasn't even made an impression on me.Why HPE over Ausuka when you have similar reasoning ("vibes"), but actually have more to say about Ausuka?
@RodenIn post 209, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote:That's a weird question to ask right after your interaction with HPE. Do you have any thoughts of its alignment?In post 133, Roden wrote: Would you like to join me on Shaddow in the mean time at least?
In post 321, Flare Fluff wrote: I always scum read replacements and once when Margot is done with her catchup and reads list I'm probably going to scum read her too.
- A
Black kind of put exactly into words my first reaction to this post. Your responses I guess I could see where you're coming from, but I'm not sure how you seem adamant that you don't understand how this could come across as weird?In post 323, Black wrote:I don't like how preemptive this feels. Why do you always scumread replacements?In post 321, Flare Fluff wrote: I always scum read replacements and once when Margot is done with her catchup and reads list I'm probably going to scum read her too.
- A
Like, the way this is worded outright sounds like you have already decided you're scumreading the slot no matter what? I understand your point in 332, but I don't understand how you're so adamant that Black misreading/misunderstanding your posts, when this is tbh kind of ambiguous, makes you hard scumread her?In post 326, Flare Fluff wrote:It's the way how they give out their reads afterwards when they are done catching up and I scum read replacements who don't bother on catching up which looks like they are not trying to figure out the game.In post 323, Black wrote:I don't like how preemptive this feels. Why do you always scumread replacements?In post 321, Flare Fluff wrote: I always scum read replacements and once when Margot is done with her catchup and reads list I'm probably going to scum read her too.
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Is piggybacking somebody inherently scummy?
Why do you think there's a scum between us and Shadow?In post 319, MargotRosa wrote: Ok, initial thoughts are that the solve is in Black or HPE (one of the two, not both), TL1R and Shadow.
Ausuka is easy Town Lock and Koba's play seems too natural to me. It's been a while, and I'm rusty as hell with a bad streak thus far in the return, so take it all with a grain of salt, and I'll do another reread later today
I never had a thought process like this as scum?In post 392, shaddowez wrote: I think that figuring out how to get to a desired outcome is highly common - for instance, at end game scum probably have a pretty good idea of who they want with them, so then they have to figure out how to lim the rest of town. @Rogues
why don't you think scum would work backwards?
I meant Ausuka and Margot, didn't notice you were also at 2.In post 401, Flare Fluff wrote: Which wagons? It says Margot, me, and Ausuka are leading the votes by 2.
In my mind it did seem like an obvious joke read, which is why I do acknowledge that my view of it could be biased. But because ein my view it was obvious, my mindset is scum could use that opportunisticly for an easy wagon. It was one of those things that felt odd to me in the moment that I couldn't properly explain why at the time.In post 389, Black wrote:I thought tris was being serious with her read, and in that world I feel like it was a scummy readIn post 376, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: Again, maybe it's because I clocked the shadow wagon as a joke, but I do see this as a potentially easy/potentially opportunistic way to jump onto Tris?. I didn't even jump onto tris though so I'm not sure why you are scumreading this
Is Fluff posting more townie than posting content less frequently/"inactivity"?In post 443, Flare Fluff wrote: town leans
koba -lean town from there post and fluff early game
tris lean town, from there post and fluff early game
margotrosa- lean town, redon vs HPE look like tvt, redon got frustrated bye HPE and left.
HighPrincessErinys the attitude looks like scum town with aggressive attitude. Scum would likely avoid this type of play, so lean town. but very scum town attitude.
scum leans
Ausuka -early day 1 vote, reason cautious, later feels off. there not much scum haunting beside label others as Maybe reads, with out further reason.
Shadow -not much around because busy
Two Level 1 Rogues
(hydra of DragonEater70 & Thomith) tbh this could be scum, with low activity. but more on null/scum
~H
I was asking you a question on your opinion? You stated in your reads that you scumread less active players but town read fluff posters, I was questioning you based off of that, to try and understand your reasoning better.In post 460, Flare Fluff wrote:oh you think both town/scum can't be inactive, it only town?In post 451, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: Is Fluff posting more townie than posting content less frequently/"inactivity"?
- Theran
~H
I wanted more like to see you sort these two but okay.In post 406, Flare Fluff wrote:The votes on Ausuka and Margot I am fine with the votes on them. I have been leaning scum Ausuka and Margot I am null on. A wagon on a null read hopefully it should be able to help me get a better read on them and a wagon on a scum lean it makes me wonder if I am right on the read and if I am wrong I might be able to figure out that I am wrong on my read just by seeing what else does the scum lean would say and if they start to make towny posts or not.In post 404, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote:I meant Ausuka and Margot, didn't notice you were also at 2.In post 401, Flare Fluff wrote: Which wagons? It says Margot, me, and Ausuka are leading the votes by 2.
- A
I was feeling pretty strongly that Black and Fluff were TvT, and I thought it would be good to try and direct their attention to other areas instead of tunneling each other.In post 430, Ausuka wrote:What was the point of asking this?In post 397, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: @Black, Flare Fluff - What do you think about the two leading wagons?
- Corinne
In post 413, tris wrote:its because i bribed her with a cat photoIn post 263, Black wrote:I don't understand why you think Roden and tris are townIn post 261, Ausuka wrote: {HPE, Roden, tris} maybe town
{black, koba} idk
{shaddowez, rogues, vulpix} maybe scum
And I know this is a preflip read, but I think this makes Ausuka and tris look really freaking partnered. Like aside from tris casually and blatantly counterwagoning ausuka, their interaction and the townread don't feel very natural.In post 427, Ausuka wrote:Girl I am literally the most voted player in the gameIn post 422, tris wrote: i've heard she can be good at scum, so i'm a little bit warry though
Uhh... where did you say why? Your vote on us is literally sandwiched by posts about Flare Fluff.In post 587, Ausuka wrote: my take is still we should vote out rogues, already said why i think that and nothing substantial has changed since i did.
i do need to read that mu game though.
In post 553, Ausuka wrote:I think rogue's question about "what does flare fluff think about the wagons", including me, was a really scummy post.I don't think the push on Black was great, and idk I guess their treatment of flare feels a bit weird to me. I think I might have to think about how I can verbalise that feeling better, and them being a hydra with two very different approaches to the slot complicates things. I usually don't play games with hydras so I'm not super used to dealing with it. In any case, I think the core of my problem with it is it feels like Theran kind of wants to push FF but doesn't actually do it?
What? No I was asking Black to stop tunneling Fluff.In post 597, tris wrote:wasn't ausuka one of the wagons? how would that lead them away from tunneling ausuka?In post 589, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote:I was feeling pretty strongly that Black and Fluff were TvT, and I thought it would be good to try and direct their attention to other areas instead of tunneling each other.In post 430, Ausuka wrote:What was the point of asking this?In post 397, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: @Black, Flare Fluff - What do you think about the two leading wagons?
- Corinne
UhhhhhIn post 595, Black wrote:Do you have any examples of this other than Flavorless Hell? In that game you admitted IRL stuff made you go afkIn post 592, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: Uh why would that be +town for me
I literally have a history of AFKing in scum games.
- Corrine, to be clear
Enjoy!In post 602, Skygazer wrote: vc here later (i'm about to go sledding)
I. Uh. Could probably explain this post game.In post 607, Black wrote:So you don't have a history of this at allIn post 606, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote:UhhhhhIn post 595, Black wrote:Do you have any examples of this other than Flavorless Hell? In that game you admitted IRL stuff made you go afkIn post 592, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: Uh why would that be +town for me
I literally have a history of AFKing in scum games.
- Corrine, to be clear
No I don't have any other examples other than FH.
I reread this part of the thread again, and after also listening to Corinne, I do feel a lot better about Black. At the time it felt like this could have been scum jumping on an obvious (to me) joke, but on this reread, it read a lot more organic than it did the first time round, and I think I do believe her on tone, that she did just not get that it was a joke, rather than being opportunistic to jump on tris for this.In post 449, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote:In my mind it did seem like an obvious joke read, which is why I do acknowledge that my view of it could be biased. But because ein my view it was obvious, my mindset is scum could use that opportunisticly for an easy wagon. It was one of those things that felt odd to me in the moment that I couldn't properly explain why at the time.In post 389, Black wrote:I thought tris was being serious with her read, and in that world I feel like it was a scummy readIn post 376, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: Again, maybe it's because I clocked the shadow wagon as a joke, but I do see this as a potentially easy/potentially opportunistic way to jump onto Tris?. I didn't even jump onto tris though so I'm not sure why you are scumreading this
The bolded is a good point though, and does make me feel better about it than I did originally.
I'm gunna reread it later today to see if 1) I do still feel the same way and 2) to see if other people also reacted similarly than you did that I'm not remembering off hand.
- Theran
) If you answered this later, let me know and I'll go looking, but this stuck out to me when skim reading - but why do you think this could be the solve?In post 687, DkKoba wrote: anyways since i can stop pretending to have this role, and the fact that i really think that the top 2 wagons are town, im going to be pushing that I think the solve is Tris/Flare Fluff and I want one of those 2 people killed this dayphase.
Other way round - at the last minute before the game started, because the hydra name is kind of D&D themed we decided to sign off as D&D Rogue characters we played.In post 824, HighPrincessErinys wrote: genuinely have not been sure which head is who so far. my gut says corinne is thomith and de is theran but idk lmao
In post 460, Flare Fluff wrote:oh you think both town/scum can't be inactive, it only town?In post 451, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: Is Fluff posting more townie than posting content less frequently/"inactivity"?
- Theran
~H
In post 461, Flare Fluff wrote:i mention activity, because i don't understand players here much on forum, also are you also saying only town can be inactive? and not scum, imo this is bad as seen scum win in past as inactive/low key not to draw attention on themselves.In post 450, shaddowez wrote: This reads list seems very shallow, with most of them being based on activity. Specifically regarding koba and tris, what about their "fluff" makes them towny?
~H
These posts are the ones that to me seemed to come across as "frustrated townie"In post 465, Flare Fluff wrote: so people here think low activity instant =100% town read
by the claim it shallow, while coming off as really bias. so basically by this bias logic, anyone low activity is confirmed town..
alright
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