Mini Normal 2335: Rainbows (Day 4)

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VOTE: awesomeming

Let’s play elimination!

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@Not_Mafia, are you the user Black? I ask for meta read reasons and she used that type of intro.

Lol

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I’m still in rvs, I haven’t decided yet who’s worthy, I need to see more.

We’re out of rvs now though so would be interested to see where you’re at now.

VOTE: T3

Why?

He's been surprisingly quiet, I expect him to be more active even in slower games.

You all can live without me, I'm afraid

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RM is town for reasons Roden stated

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Halfasleep’s vote of RM is bad faith

I don’t really see any critical thinking ig

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@halfasleep: why does [you as scum] apply to rational? rational has a very noticeably distinct playstyle.

155 seems fabricated. It really feels like she's deciding the read direction first and then finding evidence to support it rather than looking at behavior and then deciding what alignment it indicates
this argument doesn't feel like an argument a townie makes

Agreed
Although, this type of read isn’t that uncommon among town, like the after-the fact justification

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Its an early vote by Halfasleep, she might not think this is townie enough to remove to early vote on HMM.

wdym

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I'm not scumreading halfasleep because I disagree with what she's saying, I'm scumreading her because her justification of her vote on RMM is manufactured and made in bad faith.

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I'm not scumreading halfasleep because I disagree with what she's saying, I'm scumreading her because her justification of her vote on RMM is manufactured and made in bad faith.

How can you agree with bad faith reasoning?

I don't agree with her reasoning

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I disagree with what she's saying, but that doesn't mean I scumread her because I don't agree with her

Someone can say "the sky is pink!" and that doesn't mean they're scum, it just means they're colorblind

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awesomeming, black, jacksonvirgo probably town

rationalmadman, hu tao, robbnva maybe scum

Can you explain these scumreads

currently more vibes than anything else

What do you think about the reasoning for RMM being scum that you provided earlier; do you stand by it

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black please explain t3

I didn't get much in terms of scum pings when I was catching up but I liked Roden's vote and I like Roden so far in general so I wanted to add pressure there

Why did you like Roden's vote

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Its an early vote by Halfasleep, she might not think this is townie enough to remove to early vote on HMM.

wdym

It’s only speculation about how she is playing so I have to guess how and why but now that she stated it’s a vibe read I would like her to go more in-depth how she got their.

I don't totally comprehend what you're saying

What did you mean by "this" when you said "...this is townie enough..."

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Ok that makes sense

I think you're town

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anyway i'm a town cop. didn't expect to be made to claim over literally nothing but here we are.

my crumbs are here:

evidently

, i don't agree.

and here:

fair enough lol.

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VOTE: halfasleep

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Fake ass crumb and fake ass claim

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It's 2024

Who puts a Town Cop in their 2024 Mini Normal

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The optimal play is to leave the claimed PR alive. If halfasleep is town then scum have to take care of her at some point. If she's scum then she can potentially spew her teammates and clear people with results

This is probably true, actually

But has the meta really changed so much since when I last frequently played Mini Normals???

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Pure, raw, Town Cop is just not really a role that people like to put in their Mini Normal games

I think I've only seen it once in the 40 or so Mini Normal games I've played

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In all fairness that was his first post of the game and it was probably a joke

sure, probably was but even as a joke, he could have voted me. When he did have a scum read, he didn't vote them either. Just trying to find out why they aren't voting their scum reads.

This is fake too actually

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NM has claimed cop in large coloured text in case others missed it. It's important to bring it up now if NM doesn't cc at all here. I don't comprehend it.

NM was trolling

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It's his whole schtick

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VOTE: awesome

Actual serious vote goes here. This slot is kind of like Charles in that they're not doing anything, but I get the feeling that he's intentionally trying to fly under the radar and keep his posts to a minimum.

I get the vibe that he doesn't care about the game more than that he's trying to fly under the radar

He's a fairly experienced player, he has the mafia capability to make more posts

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RMM is probably town although I don't think it's worth engaging with him

His conspiratorial attitude comes from town more often than not

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Actually 494 might be on to something, idk, I'll look at it more when I come back

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Unvote:

I still dislike Charles but from reading T3's iso 277 and 280 are contradictory saying "I'm not scumreading" to "doesn't mean I scumread her" about HA is so scummy

Vote:T3

I think you’re misunderstanding my words

I was saying that I am scumreading HA because her read was made in bad faith. I was also saying that I’m not scumreading her because I disagree with her read.

These two statements are not contradictory

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VOTE: RationalMadman

Behaviorally I think Rational reads town but I'm starting to think that may just be a personality thing. The reads on me/ming/and LK feel manufactured

I think town!Rational would have an issue with LK going from 0 to 100 on halfasleep. If the thought process of "Black = scum due to halfasleep vote" is real then Rational would have found an issue with LK's progression too. Him completely ignoring it makes it possible that LK is his buddy and 357/362 was a coordinated push to get HA to claim

I also feel like Rational may be spewing ming as town here because the townread makes so little sense that it feels like it has to be informed, though there's a chance he's just coming up with awful reasons to defend his buddy. Regardless I think Rational is probably more likely to flip scum

I buy this

I'm gonna read more but I buy this and might vote RMM

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Reading now

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I get busy for 2 days and then I'm 20 pages behind smh

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you didn't miss much except a fight between rational and I.

I've been filtering out like 50% of what RMM has saying

I do very much agree that people are townreading RMM for his personality though

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Black the reason I showed intent to hammer is due to the fact in many posts I wanted to hear some reason for the vibe reads HA had. I wanted to get a little more concrete reasons for these not having her out. That is my bad, but this is better than someone hammering without stating intent. I don't want that to happen to anyone for any reason. It sounds so shitty to have happen while your away or doing other things.

I agree that it's better to declare intent but the issue I'm having is I don't understand why you declared intent in the first place

I will say I was probably not going to vote her out. I want to put pressure on things so I can understand more HA's reads would have helped me a lot if I had specific quotes for them

Claiming intent to vote someone out while not actually intending to vote that person out is uh...not particularly townie. That's blatant role fishing. I can't think of any real reason why town would do this.

Town would do this because they're new or bored. Boredom is the main culprit, I suspect

NM Vs HA, one scum there I reckon. Not 2 though, just 1.

Black and Robb vs Awesomeming, 1 or 2 scum there and I bet it's Black.

Third otherwise if not Robb?

Hu Tao or greedybear.

This is my theory.

If my Hu Tao wagon peters out, I join your Black wagon and they flip green, can I interest you in Hu Tao down the line? I do scumread Black but do not think Hu Tao/Black/HA is a viable team and im building myself a railroad.

This is blatantly lining up miselims

VOTE: Greedy

scummy af

Is lining up mislims even a thing that people do?

I like Greedy's sass, not in the "I think it's townie" kind of way but in the "this game needs a blunt aggressive voice" kind of way

This is 70% meta dependent, 30% true for all dependent.

30% is that everyone in general if prkksijg to show up later and dedicating to vote Black on a serious read as well as pushing things like 'go for it vote NM, I will reread the game get to this in depth later' etc but then suddenly doesn't, that's more often scum than Town.

Is this really true?

593 and 591 are terrible responses to what I did and far more indicative of retaliation than attempting to sort my actions. 590 and 524 are more about if he can kill RM in the day phase than trying to sort RM's actions. 526 her response to a Robb/Black/HA scum team idea is that its not black. No mention of Robb. Vote is on charles at this point? No attempt to evaluate. 366 reads to me as wow I can't believe my partner claimed THAT to THIS. No attempt to evaluate the claim beyond unvoting. Waits to read the room before reacting to someone to give a take on the veracity of the actual claim. Posts and moves vote in the meantime where it languished doing nothing till she realised I was onto her.

593 is definitely bad
I agree with 526, less sure about 591 and 366 being scum indicative, in fact 366 might be town indicative, but I read Hu Tao as scum on balance

Charles you're making it really hard for me to not scumread you right now

also like, by usually do you refer to... 2022 charles meta? It's past outdated lol

This scumread was justified by Gypyx saying that Charles was scum because his joking felt unnatural, but at this moment I don't really see how Charles was joking around. Or I at least don't quite get how this conclusion was reached.

I'm townread the bite you have in your tone and I think your questions and logic feel natural

I don't townread the bite in his town, it's probably just a personality trait/alt gimmick. Tbh, the personality trait probably creates a false sense of GB's competency more than anything else.

I don't see how his questions are 'natural' per se? His questions just seem like questions that were prompted by one thing or another and are equally likely to come from scum and town.

Greedy just seems a bit too. Theatrical for me. That's why I think they are scum

This is a terrible read, however

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Has Ming really only made 12 posts

I'll hammer if he doesn't get online and my preferred wagons don't get momentum

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T3 who do you scumread besides me?

Ming, maybe

Gypyx, maybe

RMM, maybe

halfasleep, definitely

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Is it worth speculating why two people replaced out of the same slot or nah?

You're not allowed to speculate about replacements

You just have to assume that people replaced out because they had a personal situation

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Yikes

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I guess Hu Tao's minimalist style of posting and lack of reads made scum think she was PR

NM being vigged was obvious so we have no information whatsoever

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I mean I’ve been out of it for 4 years but I don’t feel that’s balanced. It was already unlikely of just a cop but now with a gunsmith and cop? I’d have to check and see if that’s ever been done before. I’ve gone through normal reviews before.

I doubt that would ever be approved, scum would need a lot of power. it’s plausible but improbable

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funny thing is that HA claimed full cop so now i'm gonna murder her

i at no point claimed i was unlimited. it seemed to me more helpful to scum than town to specify more than necessary.

copium

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funny thing is that HA claimed full cop so now i'm gonna murder her

i at no point claimed i was unlimited. it seemed to me more helpful to scum than town to specify more than necessary.

Idk about everyone else but i was definetly under the impression that you claimed to be a full cop

i mean i did try to gently steer the thread away from that misconception without outright saying it. no one was paying me any mind at that point, though.

no you didn't
lol

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VOTE: halfasleep

E-1, claim your result now