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Greetings, everyone. I have plenty of time today to catch up, so, catch up I shall!"Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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I am going to clear this slot's vote as I work through the game.
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Solon's initial set of posts seems a little awkward and over-the-top to me. Post 27, IMO he's going a little overboard with a case, and post 30, he seems a bit sensitive about being voted for.
I get good vibes from GuyInFreezer, kind of an understanding-of-the-game vibe and contributing meaningfully.
Gob seems to just be trolling which is neither townie nor scummy, I guess, and the game is still early (I'm at page 4 as I write this). I do see that he was replaced at some point also.
Kay seems to mostly be sitting on the sidelines, but she's also posting a lot and making her presence known, and that in particular is very townie to me. I think there's generally a good correlation between game involvement and towniness.
I continue to not really understand or follow what Solon is doing. In post 111, I don't get the scum read on GuyInFreezer (GuyInFreezer is probably my strongest town read at this point), nor do I get why he is already speculating on scum teams so early in the game. Also, now I see in post 122 that Solon thinks Kay is town now, despite saying "I do believe you could be scum" to Kay in 111? That seems like a fairly rapid, unnatural progression.
Doctor Drew posted a bit of fluff for a bit. I see here where he voted for Roland, but that vote and his subsequent interrogation don't align with the town read he gave Roland in post 142.
Okay, gonna fire this one off now because I'm finding some weird stuff with Drew I need to address in its own post."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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I guess I want to address this part in particular:
I don't know that I really follow this at all. To recap, this exchange with Drew and Roland went like this:In post 189, Doctor Drew wrote: Your response to my question made me feel good to throw a vote out to see what happens.
And kinda seems like you acted in a way that someone who knows how the game works, but doesn't have all the experience would react as scum
Roland:
Drew:I am telling you that you are twisting my arguments and misrepresenting them. I know what my arguments are, what I am saying, and you do not. It is not your place to decide whether you are fairly representing what I am saying. It is mine and mine alone.
Roland:I really vibe with this, seems like genuine frustration.
Roland, how much experience do you have with mafia?
Drew:I used to play it with an old World of Warcraft guild of mine on our guild forum, though we called it Werewolf rather than mafia. I've played Town of Salem also, more recently. Been a while since I have played a true forum game of mafia, though, and our days were much shorter than this also. So if my playstyle seems a little weird or something y'all aren't used to, that might be why?
Roland:VOTE: RolandIndeed, it makes perfect sense to abandon a town read and do a complete 180 if a person answers your question about mafia history and makes a dark tower reference. This vote makes perfect sense.
I read Roland's response here as very natural and genuine, and his much-touted "reaction" to the vote is basically just "uh...what?" Which I understand, because that's how I felt also, reading this. I don't see what there was in Roland's answer to Drew's question that seems suspicious, nor do I see anything particularly scummy in him giving an "uh...what?" reaction to a vote after he gave what seems like a totally innocuous reply to the question. Drew seems to argue that his reaction to the question was suspicious, and his reaction to the vote was scummy, and I am just not seeing either. I get the strong sense Drew is drumming up a case out of thin air that doesn't seem to align with what's really going on here.
On a side note:
I nearly spit my water out of my mouth when I read this lol. I love the dry sense of humor.In post 169, RolandOfGilead wrote: Yes, Roiland and his quest for the drak toweler."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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Through 10 pages, I note that Random Nurse has said pretty much nothing since a couple RVS votes on page 1, Not_Mafia made a crazy-ass entrance and didn't do anything else, and FancyPants hasn't said MUCH, though that reads list was good. I do actually think maybe I should take a closer look at Kay? It's the fact that I vibe with the Drew read that makes me think perhaps I should take the Kay read seriously?
Post 250, just what the hell, I don't see how GuyInFreezer is "bleeding scum" in the slightest. He's a strong town read. Is Gob trying to discredit the strongest townie? (albeit quite poorly)
lol oh my GOD.In post 278, RolandOfGilead wrote: Stuff it, Kirby.
Not_Mafia's reads list, obviously I can't feel great about it with him listing my slot as the scummiest role. I also don't think Gob deserves the towniest read either. But then everything inbetween, I am mostly okay with? Maybe? I think? Feels like I've thrown a lot of what-ifs in there. But most importantly, he didn't talk about these reads at all, hasn't defended them in the slightest, which isn't helpful.
Around the time that JacksonVirgo swapped in, Drew's only contributions are just fluff and not substantive, which doesn't look good for Drew.
As for JacksonVirgo, honestly I don't feel great about his introduction which feels largely meme-y and is skipping over a lot of content. I mean he's even outright admitting to it in post 353. I already had bad vibes about Gob for separate reasons so this slot looks pretty bad to me right now.
If 362 is redacted, why isn't 363?
Post 432 is a head-scratcher for me. He emphasizes that he "dislikes GIF in comparison with the others" and I totally disagree. Also: "I trust Drew/N_M aren't wolves together" - how does he arrive at a conclusion like that when Not_Mafia has done next to nothing in this game?
I really like that Kay asked the question she asked in post 448. Town wants to work with others, wants outside input. I just see Kay sticking around a lot and that is more commonly town to really be around the game a lot.
Infant annihilator sounds like ear cancer, sorry not sorry. What do you listen to if you want to relax?
Hell of a case made by my previous slot partner, and Drew's response in 483 is, like, REALLY bad.
20 pages in now. (posting every 10 pages of review)"Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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I need to take care of some things, will keep catching up as I'm able. Feel free to leave me with questions or comments on whatever."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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Post 512, I see my previous slotted player just had trouble keeping his composure.
On a side note I don't really see why JacksonVirgo was inserting himself needlessly into that Roland vs. Drew interaction; clearly would have been a lot better if he had stayed out of it. I can't say I understand his compulsion to get involved there.
I hate limming players just for being absent too, so I hate this vote.In post 570, Doctor Drew wrote:I hate limming all lurkers on D1.....but I am kinda ok with this here......and I think I am ok with Roland living for another day, I believe they will continue to spew scum if actually scum.......but do realize that we are also matching each other in frustration
VOTE: Nurse
Post 591from FancyPants feels good. I like when a player repeatedly summarizes where they are at with the game.
This post is interesting:
JacksonVirgo appears to be quite pissed off that someone is telling him he doesn't have a grasp on the game. He's being a bit sensitive and he was with this also:In post 598, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Are you joking? What makes you believe you’re right over me? This is honestly insulting, different reads doesn’t mean I don’t have a grasp on the game. Stop this line of thinking immediately.In post 591, FancyPants wrote: I'll vote for anyone in RN/NM/Drew/at this stage - and I'll listen to Roland/Solon/Freezer on who, as my town block, I think Jackson is town but I personally don't think they have a good grasp on this game seeing as their two strongest reads are my strongest townread - and the only person I can confirm is town.
I think my fear is that scum is great at utilizing the appearance of emotion to shut people down. I ask myself what the point of the emotion was, what the outcome was, and the outcome in each case isn't great. He doesn't want FancyPants to be able to give an impression that suggests JacksonVirgo's takes can't be trusted, and the whole "people like you" thing directed at my previous slot owner is quite belittling.In post 580, JacksonVirgo wrote: Kinda wanna flip you simply because of how combative you are, I don't work well with people like you
In post 672, Solon wrote:In post 308, GuyInFreezer wrote: With that said, I am surprisingly ok with N_M’s readlist.
This is terrible. He scum-claimed, and you don't even know for sure who he is talking about with the pseudonyms!
I think Freezer is actually scum here. Either with Not_Mafia, or his tactic is just to keep the insane players alive.
I find myself agreeing with Solon here. I don't really follow why GuyInFreezer is "surprisingly okay" with the reads when it lists my slot as the scummiest, and, to quote GuyInFreezer himself:
So now I find myself feeling better about Solon, feeling worse about GuyInFreezer. But overall I still feel quite townie about GuyInFreezer, so I think I just need to follow up on why GuyInFreezer gave this take when he has such a strong town read on Not_Mafia's scummiest read. And I can't say I agree with this take from Solon either:In post 317, GuyInFreezer wrote: Also I’m going need to see a cop guilty and a flipped cop to see Roland being scum at this point.
There's also this:In post 680, Solon wrote: I like Jackson's thoughts upon catching-up. Along with what I said above, I think that slot has to be town-binned unless something changes dramatically.
This was directed at Roland. I mean, that "room" is to eliminate an easy inactive target. I think he's overstating how "forgiving" he really is here.In post 703, Doctor Drew wrote: I am leaving room for being incorrect about you
Yeah, so, GuyInFreezer drives that point home, that they're "surprisingly okay" with a list with their top town read as the top scum read? I mean, aren't the names at the extremes of these lists really the most important names in the lists? I don't follow this at all.In post 732, GuyInFreezer wrote: Oh, I don’t townread N_M. I was surprisingly ok with N_M’s readlist, but that’s about it. It’s not like he did anything after that other than wanting to lolhammer RN.
30 pages in. I notice that everyone seems in favor of eliminating our inactive players of Not_Mafia / Random Nurse. I'm genuinely concerned that they are both town, that they are being suspected because they are such easy elimination targets. My needle ticked upwards on Solon so I think it's plausible that my two scummiest reads at the moment, which are Drew / JacksonVirgo, are the scum team."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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I like FancyPants' focus, asking a question in post 752, not getting an answer, so then repeating the question in post 804. I would think scum would just let an unanswered question go, but FancyPants's persistence reads as townie to me.
This:
In my experience, a person says this, it means they're town. I don't know why someone would swap into a game, learn they have one partner whose victory depends on this new player's contributions, and just say "eh fuck it, you can just kill me". Whereas a townie mentality is more like, well, there are lots of townies who probably know this game a lot better than I do, so why bother? I was completely null on this slot prior to this and this definitely trends the slot upwards towards town.In post 812, Snow2697 wrote:
4-5 hrs. returning from work. you can go ahead and hammer me if you feel so based on my predecessor's actions. just do it quickly.In post 805, RolandOfGilead wrote: @Snow, when can we expect your take on the game and your scum reads and such?
I spent a lot of time reading and digesting post 844, as well as the follow-up on it (particularly from GuyInFreezer). I don't think I agree with the reads but also I don't know that Snow has paid close enough attention to everything and is perhaps putting too much weight on the wrong things. Like why is there so much analysis of the Gob / GuyInFreezer interaction at the start, which was pretty clear to me just kind of a troll-y back and forth? I don't think I read Snow as scum for this, as the more obvious explanation is that there's a hell of a lot of ground to cover, in a short amount of time, and his slot is very much under the gun. I shouldn't be taken as a good example of how much a new player normally does when they swap in because I don't have the normal responsibilities you all likely have which would stop you from sinking time into this like I have just now lol. Think I just need to see more from Snow to sort this out.
Snow, do you mind if I ask, are you a native english speaker?
I appreciate that snow submitted post 873 and answered all of GuyInFreezer's questions. Willingness to answer questions and work WITH people is very townie.
I don't like that Not_Mafia didn't answer post 881.
Post 900, totally agree with Solon here. Drew said:
In essence he said "he appears to be town; therefore, we should vote him out". Like what? At the very least, you can be suspicious, but now you're saying that it is SO suspicious that, out of everyone you would like to eliminate today, you want it to be that slot? That does not add up in my mind. He did later try to amend that by saying:Snow actually has out effort in at least, but I am always weary when someone really towns it up when they repp in, so I am still fine with an RN lim.
But that seems like a forced explanation to me. Obviously, just because a slot is scum-READ, that doesn't mean the slot IS scum. And the argument is that, in that case, if someone comes in and seems more townie, then the right logical conclusion is that they aren't? This just doesn't make sense to me.In post 904, Doctor Drew wrote: I guess I should have specified when someone reps into a slot that is highly scum read
After this I see Roland kinda lost his cool and I understood a few pages before he left why he left. This is a stressful game and a lot of hurt feelings can emerge from it, no matter your alignment, so hopefully people don't beat up on the guy and just let him be after he chose to leave.
My final thought is that I do think Roland has a totally valid point about why he shouldn't be considered to be partnered with Snow, since he cast a vote on his partner that left him in a very vulnerable position. I mean the other obvious reason that this slot isn't partnered with snow is that this slot isn't mafia anyway lol, but I understand people want to do their theorycrafting and such, and that point in particular is legitimate.
I should be caught up now, but that was undoubtedly a lot of reading in a short amount of time and I may have missed stuff so I'll try to keep looking back and uncovering things as I go. Again please feel free to ask me / prod me about anything."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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Overall I would say JacksonVirgo and Drew are my scummiest reads here. Not sure I am on board with a Not_Mafia elimination, though I am not anything above null on that slot (that just means I'm not scumreading him either). I would say I'm very much not at all on board on eliminating Snow. GuyInFreezer is my top town read, and I feel townie about KayJayQueue, FancyPants, and Solon."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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In post 1037, JacksonVirgo wrote: So your read on me is purely based on the way I react emotionally?
That's an oversimplification of my view here. It is not just those two things; it's also what I feel like is kind of a suspicious pattern of submitting lots of words but not really saying a whole lot. Giving the appearance of being involved, without really BEING involved. That is the kind of vibe I feel like I get from you.In post 1038, JacksonVirgo wrote: That and the way I did my catchup, lol?
If you have any more singular and substantive reads / cases you've made on people, please show me. I know I read fast but I still feel like there wasn't a whole lot of direction or consolidation of things from your end."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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Also, this is my read on your slot, some of which came from Gob. Like I said before I feel like his attempt to frame GuyInFreezer was just flat-out wrong and I don't understand how that read comes from a townie. I totally get why scum would be so threatened by someone who claims to have the whole game figured out "before page 10", so this is not entirely based on your actions."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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That was @JacksonVirgo, btw."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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Ok then, what are your reads, at the moment? Maybe just the two that you think are scum? And what are your thoughts on Not_Mafia in particular?In post 1046, JacksonVirgo wrote: There is no requirement for town to make substantive cases on people. I've made my arguments when I've wanted to make my arguments. I am not really one to consolidate that often, one of my recent games just closed was showing the extreme end of that. In fact, I am trying to fix that side of my playstyle with this very game, hence my behaviour surrounding your predecessor. So given this is one of the games I've been most consolidating, yet still giving my personal direction I feel this read is quite wrong for me as a player. Not expecting you to know how I play of course, that'd be silly."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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@Drew
Forgive me if I missed it, but do you have a reads list also?"Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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And Jackson, what DO you listen to if you want to chill out?"Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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In post 1050, JacksonVirgo wrote: I believe you and Drew are both town. I'm more confident in Drew than I am for you. I believe GIF/Solon are town. I believe Snow's slot is wolf, it started as being my null-consolidation vote as the game was stagnant but that increased to a steady scum-read based on how the game progressed when that started kicking off. Snow's posting in particular did not do anything for me, like it seemed to do for you. N_M is null to me if I were to label it objectively, but if I incorporate my feelings into it. It feels wrong to consider that slot as it is, I am not okay with a wagon there. I am not yet sure if that'sbecauseof the read I have on Snow or if it's isolated to them but it's a feeling nonetheless. Fancy I am on the fence about
Sorry, please ignore my casual question and answer my serious one instead (or both, that's cool too lol):
Can you explain in more detail why you town read Drew?"Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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By the way, you forgot to mention Kay."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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In post 1058, JacksonVirgo wrote: What part of their reaction do you consider bad specifically, I am better at explaining when it's more focused.
It's not their "reaction", it's their logic and the way they are playing I am taking issue with.
If you want something specific, look at what I said in post 1031 and explain that to me."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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You could also reply to post 1040, where I started in with "Post 900, totally agree with Solon here...""Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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You're going to have to explain to me what is scummy, what there is to be "caught" about a guy reacting like "huhwha?" to that line of questioning.In post 1062, JacksonVirgo wrote: Of course you'd believe Roland's response is natural and genuine. It's you.
Do you not see the progression Drew had? It's been explained by Drew, the man himself and even without that I caught it. You and Roland both seemed to miss that magically"Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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In post 1065, JacksonVirgo wrote: Do you want that answer from me? Or from Drew? I don't think I'm the right person to respond if you're trying to read Drew for his posts.
Well you are the one claiming to know what he was thinking, right? It's not a guarantee that you actually knew what he was getting at, so it's worth asking you."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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I thought we were talking about what happened after he cast the vote. Specifically I am looking at everything Roland said and did between Drew making that vote and post 189 where Drew gives the full debrief on his experiment; the experiment is over at that point. What he is evaluating is between the vote in post 171 and the debrief in post 189.
All of that can be found here:
In post 172, RolandOfGilead wrote: Indeed, it makes perfect sense to abandon a town read and do a complete 180 if a person answers your question about mafia history and makes a dark tower reference. This vote makes perfect sense.In post 173, RolandOfGilead wrote: I said perfect sense twice. Damn my redundancy!In post 176, RolandOfGilead wrote:
I thought that was what you meant to convey when you commented on my frustration. I guess that wasn't your intent, then?In post 175, Doctor Drew wrote:
Also, who said I was town reading you?In post 172, RolandOfGilead wrote: Indeed, it makes perfect sense to abandon a town read and do a complete 180 if a person answers your question about mafia history and makes a dark tower reference. This vote makes perfect sense.In post 181, RolandOfGilead wrote:In post 179, KayJayQueue wrote:
Damn, that sounds like Misery but good for you for taking The Stand. Your strong opinions are The Shining quality here. IT must be difficult to be the Gunslinger in what must feel like The Dead Zone, Under the Dome. Maybe we should pull a Shawshank Redemption and bust out of this Pet Sematary to send the scum walking down The Green Mile. Anyway, let’s get back to the game and catch some bad guys!In post 174, Doctor Drew wrote: I have a strong disdain for the works of Stephen King
Carrie on.
In case anyone is wondering, this is the most award-worthy post of this game.In post 182, RolandOfGilead wrote:
To convey that you were townreading me.In post 177, Doctor Drew wrote: What do you think my intent was?
To understand me better. For the same reason anyone asks anyone how much experience they have in any activity they are participating in.Also about asking what your mafia experience was as well.
These feel like some pretty straightforward questions and I don't understand why you needed to ask them.In post 184, RolandOfGilead wrote:In post 183, gob wrote:
The game barely started and you're already throwing out value judgements every which way. How about you yourself move the game state forward? Hm? These posts are just as worthless as many as mine.In post 181, RolandOfGilead wrote:In post 179, KayJayQueue wrote:
Damn, that sounds like Misery but good for you for taking The Stand. Your strong opinions are The Shining quality here. IT must be difficult to be the Gunslinger in what must feel like The Dead Zone, Under the Dome. Maybe we should pull a Shawshank Redemption and bust out of this Pet Sematary to send the scum walking down The Green Mile. Anyway, let’s get back to the game and catch some bad guys!In post 174, Doctor Drew wrote: I have a strong disdain for the works of Stephen King
Carrie on.
In case anyone is wondering, this is the most award-worthy post of this game.
It looks like I just did.In post 185, RolandOfGilead wrote: What I mean is: your frustration here seems genuine. If you were scum, I don't think you'd have minded that I said that you were pretty null at this point in the game. But you seem at least a little pissed off that I said you weren't really moving the game forward. That's some good evidence of your towniness and helps all of us to focus our efforts better.
All of the stuff contained in the spoiler tag, that Roland said, was enough for Drew to say this:
And what I am saying is, I don't see what, in the material contained in the spoiler tag above, constitutes what Drew is describing here.kinda seems like you acted in a way that someone who knows how the game works, but doesn't have all the experience would react as scum"Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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K that spoiler tag definitely didn't work..."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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By the way, Jackson, how would you explain Gob having such a scummy read on GuyInFreezer?"Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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Sure. Do you admit it's weird that he had such a strong scum read on a pretty comprehensively town-read role?"Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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I dunno, maybe this is a problematic and maybe even illegal line of questioning. I bring it up because it makes me feel kinda bad about your slot, and without an explanation, it remains a black mark on your slot."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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What do you mean by this? My predecessor judged you for things Gob did too?In post 1076, JacksonVirgo wrote: This is the same type of faulty logic I was calling Roland out for, and now you're doing it too"Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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In post 1076, JacksonVirgo wrote: This is the same type of faulty logic I was calling Roland out for, and now you're doing it too
If you don't like talking about your predecessor, I don't see why I should need to answer for it either."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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In post 1086, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I'm not asking you to explain your preds actions, I'm sayingIn post 1085, Malachai wrote:In post 1076, JacksonVirgo wrote: This is the same type of faulty logic I was calling Roland out for, and now you're doing it too
If you don't like talking about your predecessor, I don't see why I should need to answer for it either.your logicis based in the assumption that different = scummy.
Well it's not just the read itself. Indeed if I scum read anyone with different reads from me, I'd probably scum read 100% of everyone I ever play with, right?
I do think there's something to a read that doesn't jive with ANYONE, though, and which seems REALLY off from my best efforts to characterize people. Both of these things are true of Gob's read there. I do indeed look at a unique read that nobody else shares, that seems to fly in the face of my own understanding of the game, with suspicion. And I should bring up a third and equally important factor: how well-defended it is. Because for sure someone can come out of nowhere with a totally new read, totally different from everyone else, but if they offer a good case for it, I'm a lot more likely to take that read as a serious, sincere read. Gob, as far as I can understand, didn't even try to prove that case.
So it does go a lot further beyond "you're just scum-reading the guy for having a different read"."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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But at the same time I realize I won't get anywhere with asking you to explain what your predecessor did so I think I'm going to have to table this one on my end."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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As for Drew stuff, I still haven't heard a good explanation for what I mentioned in the middle of post 1040 or what I brought up in post 1068.
Whoever wants to try and explain it is free to do so..."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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Alright. I'm satisfied with JacksonVirgo and moving him out of scum territory for now."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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You made a valid argument on why I should probably drop the whole Gob thing.
You're also tackling my questions pretty directly, not avoiding them and equivocating, which is townie behavior."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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I agree. I think the scum team is Not_Mafia and Drew, and Drew's actions last night really bear that out too. I am highly skeptical that Snow is scum and I've found good reasons to trust everyone else."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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VOTE: Not_Mafia"Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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In post 1122, KayJayQueue wrote: At this point is there anything I could possibly do that you wouldn’t scumread me for? To quote an ancient 20 year old movie called Mean Girls: “Why are you so obsessed with me?”
I also like to quote the main character from the ancient boomer TV series The Wire: "the fuck didIdo?""Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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For me, the reason I townread Kay so much is a combination of how involved she is / how much she's willing to post, and how willing she is to get involved in pretty much every angle being discussed. When JacksonVirgo showed up and started going through opinions on people, and Kay said something like "ohh do me!", that struck me as something a scum would NEVER say. They would neverIn post 1126, Snow2697 wrote: Kay, don't worry. It's my 2nd game here as well, so you should not treat my thoughts on you as very authoritative. And I think I never called you locked scum.
I simply feel that you avoid confrontation, try to look good and nice, call people town, see conflicts as TvT, target not active players who can hardly respond. I really disliked your criticism of RN in 602 and 605. And not just because I am in his slot now. He was an easy target as player here, his message to put it mildly was not ideal and was subject to fair criticism, but why would a town player of your style jump on him as you did? To prove that you are active and brave? Looked like a posturing.
What really stops me from pushing you is that you could have been in team with Roland (who was sus for me, but his slot went up on my scale) and I don't see you in team with Drew or Jackson (who are going down). And yes, you can be a newbie townie whose mislim would not give a lot in terms of overall picture.enthusiasticallyask someone else to weigh in on their towniness; they wouldn't encourage it in the slightest.
FWIW Snow, I don't scum read you either, so with Kay I think you've just got the wrong read is all."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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Kay we could probably talk about lots of movies from the late 1900s!"Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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I legitimately read Not Mafia as scum at this point. It is partially process-of-elimination for me, but I also just really do not like that he provides these reads and doesn't describe them at all. It's odd to me that anyone gives him credit for his reads when he gives us nothing about why he even has those reads in the first place. And the reads themselves, I just do not like...of course I'm naturally going to be a little biased since he calls me his scummiest read, but I think I can also pretty convincingly argue that having Gob as the towniest read at that point made absolutely 0 sense, as he did nothing to deserve being townread so strongly at that stage of the game. NM's choice to use a color spectrum means that he was indeed showing the degree to how much he supposedly believes each slot is town / scum, and even THAT is kinda weird to me, as I think it's pretty tough to have really confident distinctions between people instead of general buckets at this stage of the game.In post 1128, Solon wrote:In post 1107, JacksonVirgo wrote: I'm against an NM elim
He isn't playing the game, why shouldn't we eliminate him?
If I'm wrong about Drew or Not Mafia, I think the next two up for me would be Snow / FancyPants, but I have yet to see anyone make a decent case to suspect either of them. Every argument I see is just based on feels, which none of us can relate to. Like this is how JacksonVirgo describes his read on Snow:
I know I'm not asking him in that moment to really make a case, but obviously, if people aren't making arguments, using evidence that the rest of us can latch on to and such, it's obviously not going to be convincing to anyone. I feel like I can pretty easily put a finger on actions from both Drew and Not Mafia and describe to everyone here how they don't add up and how they seem indicative of scum behavior, and I find myself unable to do that for anyone else at the moment.In post 1050, JacksonVirgo wrote: I believe Snow's slot is wolf, it started as being my null-consolidation vote as the game was stagnant but that increased to a steady scum-read based on how the game progressed when that started kicking off. Snow's posting in particular did not do anything for me, like it seemed to do for you."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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In post 1054, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I answered that? But here's one particular songIn post 1051, Malachai wrote: And Jackson, what DO you listen to if you want to chill out?
This song has been played so much lately, this performance version in particular.
BTW even this I would not listen to if I wanted to chill haha. This is still very much angsty spectrum for me. If I'm looking to chill, I'm listening to stuff like Cigarettes After Sex or Aphex Twin. (I'm also probably a hopeless hipster...former college radio DJ here, FYI lol)"Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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+1 on this sentiment.In post 1136, Solon wrote:@Mod: How is Not_Mafia playing to his win condition here? Serious question. There is a lack of consistency when one player is kicked while another isn't, you can't blame me for thinking it might be alignment indicative.
If you don't want me to draw such conclusions then be consistent and kick both players, not just one, for game throwing and playing against win con."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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And your explanations?In post 1140, Not_Mafia wrote:S+(7I/11)
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None of us can read your mind, so yeah, it's appropriate.In post 1150, Not_Mafia wrote:
I'll provide explanations if I think it's appropriateIn post 1141, Malachai wrote:
And your explanations?In post 1140, Not_Mafia wrote:S+(7I/11)
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In post 1192, Snow2697 wrote:
Solon, I think you had better retract your latest posts and apologize to the mod.In post 1166, Solon wrote: I can only laugh at 'Not mafia hasn't breached any rules so far'.That's truly insulting our intelligence.
You make a mockery of your own rules, and you threaten players who are actually contributing to the game while ignoring blatant game-throwing.
He doesn't need to apologize. Not Mafia is either going to flip scum, or Solon will be 100% right. I don't know how anyone could argue with a straight face that a town Not Mafia was playing to his win condition here."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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In post 1159, GuyInFreezer wrote: I kinda wanna cfd drew now for funsies.
Then why didn't you? I don't really think what Solon was doing was really a good reason to back off making a case.
In post 1096, GuyInFreezer wrote: I’m still on my phone and unfortunately probably will for today, but I’ve been considering all day if I want to townread snow for that 3-scum thing
What's the resolution on this?"Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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In post 1187, JacksonVirgo wrote: I’ll start. Snow > Fancy > NM
In lieu of just hearing the wagons, I'd like to hear WHY people have these wagons. I'd like to hear more about why you think Snow is so scummy."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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In post 1193, Snow2697 wrote:
I'd like to hear Fancy first. I agree with some of his points and disagree with the others, but even if I disagree it helps my analysis.In post 1191, JacksonVirgo wrote: Can you be a bro and give me your preferences for the lim?
If I had to decide now, I would probably think about Solon.
Why Solon? He is probably my towniest read at this point, given everything that just went down."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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Gonna take forever if we want to wait for every person to chime in with an answer here. Especially since Solon said he wasn't going to talk until something was done, and who knows how long that will be. We should be able to read and figure out who people want gone on our own.
Malachai: 1) Not_Mafia 2) Drew 3) FancyPants
Jackson: 1) Snow 2) Fancy 3) Not_Mafia
Snow: 1) Kay 2) Drew 3) Not_Mafia (though he suggested just now he might see a reason to move Solon up, but he previously had him as his towniest read)
Not_Mafia: 1) Not_Mafia (.....) 2) Drew 3) Jackson
Drew: 1) Malachai 2) Not_Mafia 3) N/A
GuyInFreezer: x) Not_Mafia x) Snow x) Drew x) FancyPants
Solon: 1) Not_Mafia 2) Snow 3) GuyInFreezer
Kay: Tie between Snow / Not_Mafia
FancyPants: 1) Snow 2) Kay 3) N/A
If I got any of those wrong, people are more likely to speak up when they can correct you on something instead of offering something up on their own But from what I glean from everything everyone has just said, this should be quite accurate.
Not_Mafia: 8 list appearances
Snow: 5 list appearances
Drew: 4 list appearances
That's your top 3. Seems clear who this town wants to vote out."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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Eh. The difference here is that I think there's a near 0% chance that Solon is scum, and his recent actions just reinforce what was already a strong belief for me in the first place. Whereas you can find plenty of reasoning to believe Not Mafia really just is scum here.
Leave matters of moderation to the moderator and leave matters of the game to the players of the game. With the exception of MAYBE Solon, I'm pretty confident that the rest of us are voting for Not Mafia because we do legitimately believe he is scum."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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This would suggest that a Snow / Not_Mafia team is entirely plausible."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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I was townie on Snow before, but his insistence on voting for Solon here feels very contrived to me and incredibly opportunistic. I trust that this situation is going to resolve itself without us needing to vote him out of the game.
FYI, if what he is doing is deemed unacceptable by the mod, he would probably be force-replaced, not killed. So whatever angle you are working that assumes he will be killed by the mod and that we'd have 0 mis-eliminations left if we missed wrong today, you really shouldn't be thinking that way."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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In post 1206, Snow2697 wrote: We have to make opinions and decisions here vis-a-vis other players and we base these opinions/decisions on various factors. We can agree or disagree in full or in part on these opinions, decisions or factors. I am fine with that. It's just a game. But to refuse to play with another player altogether and start a dispute with the mod in this way about it seems too much.
I might be wrong on mislim attempts or other things. I certainly don't insist that the others follow me. This is my personal decision, and I apologize if someone thinks it's inappropriate.
Solon - it's very easy for you to have this vote taken away, but this is your personal decision and I will respect it.
VOTE: Solon
Just to be clear: you do not think Solon is scum and you still townread him, right?"Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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That's E-1."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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I don't see how mocking other players is doing you any favors here. You mock Solon for a "dry and dilettante playstyle", you use demeaning language to insult Kay's approach to the game, and your reads lists are just your own way of teasing and mocking each and every player in this game however you see fit. I don't know why any of us should have to put up with this shit."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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In post 1222, Doctor Drew wrote: VOTE: Not Mafia
If anything this is good for the game moving forward with no distractions
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Truly the orange comb-over man of mafia."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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VOTE: Snow2697"Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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I'm voting almost entirely on this:
I am not sure if he could have offered more substance and attention than he did now. And the focus on a policy elimination is just bad. All signs are pointing that I should be going this direction with my vote.In post 1282, Snow2697 wrote: I expected more substance and attention from Fancy."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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In post 1280, GuyInFreezer wrote: I’ll have desktop access in like 6 hours so let me put my last thoughts in before we end the day and I get nightkilled for being too town.
Honestly I really don't have a clue why you think you are "too town"."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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I say this because I'm getting a bad feeling about GuyInFreezer after he keeps dropping some allusions to things he might talk about and push and then just....doesn't do them. It's starting to get really weird to me. I see FancyPants still has him as a scum read too and so I really do start to scratch my head over him at this point."Nothing can be further than the truth!" -George W. Bush-
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