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[Psyche]

VOTE: bugspray

the question might be performative; mod's reply was predictable

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one of bugspray/psyche is scum, leaning bugspray

how does this kind of either/or read happen

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wait but explain. how did you get an either/or read?

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also why not vote

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wait but explain. how did you get an either/or read?

From my point of view, it's certainly not a strong view that one of you must be scum, but I sense something off with both of your openings, and don't necessarily feel like you would begin that way if bugs was your partner, although of course that is possible. I last played mafia a few years ago now but bugs always lacked confidence as scum so I could see a question like that being asked as an entrance point into the game, and I'm not sure you would put early pressure on your partner by pointing out such a flaw, as you would be overly sensitive to the fact that it could be construed as an awkward opening.

this explains downweight of "scum psyche / scum bugspray", but doesn't give why "scum psyche / town bugspray" and "town psyche / scum bugspray" scenarios are upweighted

[Psyche]

perfect

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my follow-up was totally redundant yeah

[Psyche]

luca is an easy townread
maybe elaborate later

[quote="Luca Blight" post_id=14061031 post_num=45 time=<a href="tel:1706111918">1706111918</a> user_id=23263]
I'm about to go to bed, but right now my feeling is that bugs/Delta + 1 of the quiet ones is scum. I'm leaning town on Ketchup at the moment.

you can't call someone who hasn't posted in 9 hours a quiet one. i literally posted twice and then went to sleep. even when about to sleep you could not consider that is why I have not posted for the amount of time that is around one sleep? that is strange
but not as strange as the maybe scum pt slip
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maybe scum pt slip?

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preview quote is broken?
oh probably the browser extension

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how is what i wrote a scum pt slip? it was literally directed at luca

you were the one who typed "scum pt slip". i was asking you to elaborate on it

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wait but explain. how did you get an either/or read?

From my point of view, it's certainly not a strong view that one of you must be scum, but I sense something off with both of your openings, and don't necessarily feel like you would begin that way if bugs was your partner, although of course that is possible. I last played mafia a few years ago now but bugs always lacked confidence as scum so I could see a question like that being asked as an entrance point into the game, and I'm not sure you would put early pressure on your partner by pointing out such a flaw, as you would be overly sensitive to the fact that it could be construed as an awkward opening.

this explains downweight of "scum psyche / scum bugspray", but doesn't give why "scum psyche / town bugspray" and "town psyche / scum bugspray" scenarios are upweighted

why do you think we can't both be town? surely if you did you would have included us both being town as an alternative. seems like you are trying to take advantage of how scummy i just straight up always seem to appear (it's fucked up, i got TSE'd my most recent games) and then just be like low key appear more town than me

VOTE: psyche

think this is the third post you've plainly misread. i'm not one of the players with an either/or read

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kind of an interesting way to put it. he typed "bugs is definitely scum this game" and still hasn't voted anyone

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would like luca to elaborate on what they see in bug's posts that shift read to definitely scum

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do ludicrous claims usually come from scum in your games

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yes!

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voting people for razor thin reasons on page 1 is protown actually

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but not as strange as the maybe scum pt slip

still seeking explanation for this

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omgg ketchup is so adorable

[Psyche]

UNVOTE:

only have enough energy to give up on all my hopes and dreams before bed

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eggh sure dann is smooth but i honestly don't think bugspray made any scummy posts past their first one

if the incoherence in later posts were performative i feel like it wouldve been played more as silly/detached than it was

even w all the wild stuff there's a consistency of tone across the iso that i think someone not really believing those things would have had trouble committing to

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i'd like you give a hypothesis on the game assuming black and i are two town if you are willing

btw im pretty sure this is exactly how cognitive behavioral therapy works

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@mod you claim this is a normal simple but multitasking is not a simple role modifier. Are all other mechanics in the game simple?

Why not ask this during role pm phase? Seems fake

this rings town too in retrospect
feel like scum would have tried harder to seem as if conveying an original idea

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Dann is good at wiggling out of bad situations, but bug was scummy from their first post. Also with the meta involved.

where is bug's second scummy post

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no i hate being on the periphery!
i should be able to engage better as weekend rolls in

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Psyche also looks a bit dodgy upon a Dann red flip:

eggh sure dann is smooth but i honestly don't think bugspray made any scummy posts past their first one

if the incoherence in later posts were performative i feel like it wouldve been played more as silly/detached than it was

even w all the wild stuff there's a consistency of tone across the iso that i think someone not really believing those things would have had trouble committing to

The fact Psyche scumread Bugs' opening, and then Bugs did nothing to redeem that first bad impression, certainly doesn't warrant a defence at this juncture, especially when Psyche has nothing better to offer up instead.

Dann/OutWorld/Psyche, I'm calling it now.

Of course, with the unreadable lurkers in the game there are still some variables at play.

i disagree that bugs did nothing to redeem the first bad impression. his posts weren't useful but they did read town

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do you think bugs made more than one scummy post?

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i'll figure it out eventually, but in the meantime it's still helpful to try to keep town from getting limmed

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i don't really like to spend time doing this, but 145 is frankly all junk

you assert that bugs made more than one perspective slip. "perspective slips" and "scum pt slips" aren't a real thing. at best they're extremely rare. but the idea that bugs did it repeatedly over like a 5 post timeframe is ridiculous. how many times have you ever perspective slipped in a game as scum? on a similar vein, you repeatedly note that bugs fails to follow the context of what's being written, but only imply that this is scummy without ever engaging w the question of why someone being really bad at reading could say anything about whether they got a town or scum role pm. it doesn't. this set of accusations effectively requires that bugspray be, er, not very good at thinking, but never even considers the possibility that this observation about bugs' abilities could explain in a nai way pretty much every feature of bugs's play, even their first post.

also, you repeatedly cast survivalism -- trying not to get limmed -- as scummy. but town are at least as motivated as scum to not get limmed, both theoretically and empirically. stuff like deflecting attention, appealling to emotions, and so on are totally common responses by any type of player to scrutiny and again you don't attempt to think through how these things you don't like about bugs's posts actually suggest a scum win condition.

there's not enough weighing of alternative explanations here. you're taking things you don't like about bugs' play and handwaving the steps that explain why this play is more likely to come from scum than town.

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i'll figure it out eventually, but in the meantime it's still helpful to try to keep town from getting limmed

It seems to me that, based on what you've posted, Bugs has made the scummiest post of the game in your view.

Is that an accurate assessment?

i think the rest of bugs's iso recontextualized their first post in a way that makes it close to nai and a terrible basis for a vote on page 20

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i'm going to avoid having a back and forth about this though unless dann's lim really seems imminent. i expect i'll follow up with specific players to try to understand whether their votes are convincingly motivated and so on but i agree that providing a better alternative would be the best use of my time.

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sorry for mispronouns

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one of bugspray/psyche is scum, leaning bugspray

how does this kind of either/or read happen

bugspray's comment I do think is scummy and performative: to ask the question genuinely in the first place would require them to believe that the NRG (3 people) + listmod signed off on a game that had a role which is no longer normal/considered simple. It comes off to me as faking a dumbtell and also as a way to say "hey if I was scum I could've just asked this in scum PT".

But it being a genuine brainfart is

not

outside the realm of possibility. I've had dumber moments in my time playing mafia. If this is the case than you, Psyche, could very easily be scum trying to capitalize on a townie blunder, which is how I arrived at the either/or read since at the time I posted that your vote looked a bit more thought out than Drew's; Drew's looked more like a kneejerk reaction and it's why I lean town on him.

you are seriously misrepping this. people make mistakes very frequently. there is so mental gymnastics to ignore occam's razor. i had the concern the moment i read the game thread after checking my role pm and decided to immediately ask it publicly

like, this explanation bugs provided for their first post is already plausible on its own. it gets way more plausible when you see all the other unforced errors they put out before leaving

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hmm guess dannflor also has inconvenient browser extension, and quoted that post from pedit

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nono the bug is that sometimes html ends up being quoted. but in bbcode we would see the tags

pedit: right

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reread of first few pages renews my confidence in luca townread

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btw i still have not read the posts you want me to read.
who does you refer to? it refers to you. the mafia player reading this

This is a disengaged player who will continue to draw out inactivity until their inevitable elimination at the end of the day, in the vain hope that people get distracted and another wagon will emerge. I've seen this pattern many times now. I say 'vain hope', perhaps not - in the meta I provided earlier I had Bugs pegged as scum from early day 1 but they managed to somehow survive until D3.

Town!Bugs is proactive and inquisitive, scum!bugs pretty much throws in the towel when caught. I don't expect much content from Bugs during this day phase.

how do you intepret the replace out

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have to admit that this re-read of dann's posts is not quite going as swimmingly as i figured/remembered
but i'm still on like page 15 somehoww

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yes i did exaggerate my initial scum read on drew to get a reaction

oh ok

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ive only known been aware of ketchup's existence for like a day and a half. but if anything happened to him, i would kill everyone in this thread and then myself.

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ok! i have reads! but a few are still undercooked! from here out i only serve timely, game-driving, fully prepared meals

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iavh what are you even doing here

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woah a surprising number of weekday only players

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ugh oh boy ugh so we are really forcing the dannflor question huh

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i'm worried about admitting it in case i change my mind
but overall i'm more ambivalent about dann's slot than i was before my re-read
this makes it harder to muster the white knighting i planned for this scenario
plus i really am struggling to pull together an alternative scumread that i feel genuinely good about
i need to hurry up and stop being so lameee

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i am whining too much

I’d agree with OWER on the Ketchup post at 323.

It’s the feel of I want everyone to remember this. I’m not part of this etc. It reads fake. Its laying groundwork for a future defence.

I don’t think town need to make such comment and experienced scum wouldn’t make the comment so it seems like a newbie-scum comment.

by the way, i don't agree w the interpretion of ketchup's 323 (my impression lines up more w black's), but this post takes projectry off the table for me
it meaningfully builds on ower's initial reaction to the post and also it does so in a pretty understated way that indicates the opposite of performativity.
projectry essentially announces that he's parroting ower but imo he paints a much fuller picture of how someone might see a scum mindset in 323. ower's explanation by comparison almost looks like it's describing a gutread by comparison.
i feel like scum, being more focused on building town equity than on actually sorting players, would make a much bigger deal of their differences from of elaboration of ower here instead of acting like they're sheeping.

that said, i really don't think the characterization of ketchup's 323 is right.
people are reading "at least I know I wasn't part of it" as "at least

yall

know I wasn't part of it" -- or at least as implicitly expressing this sentiment, but these really are different statements. the latter would be focused on the shift's consequences for ketchup's reputation, but the former just expresses the sort of self-focused handwringing and indecision that might normally accompany big read swings. consequently rings more town to me than anything.

also it's not like the post was just some offhand comment -- ketchup had been directly asked to explain his shift on dannflor.

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yes i did exaggerate my initial scum read on drew to get a reaction but i am not inspired by how drew has continued to engage with me / the game as a whole

dannny
what prompted this post?

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aw cmon

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still ambivalent
at this point i should just dump all what i have about dann and hope it helps someone i guess

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i left d1 most inclined to blame hu tao who's black-and-white approach to sorting dann seemed kind of artificial in retrospect but in truth there were decent reasons to scumread dann around and after his drew vote

will give up on being selective about read disclosure and just dump every worthless thought that occurs in my head

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i feel the opposite. any reasonably experienced player can simulate attempting to solve. dann was scummier than bugs, just more polished. his drew vote and some posts prosecuting the wagon (e.g., where he solicits a "pressure" vote on drew from another slot) read as insincere compared to bugspray's consistently defiant messiness. made it very hard to marshall the resolve to defend dann as game progressed, and now makes it harder to interpret how people positioned around the wagon.

[Psyche]

i am coasting, but it's not on purpose. i'll try one more time starting this evening to get my breakout moment.

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am not the only struggling to put forward content. the other guys just post whatever anyway

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i already said i would share any fully cooked reads when i have them

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i'll have something before the weekend ends or i'll fall on my sword or whatever

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are you asking luca to elaborate on the gut feeling or the sneaky feeling or the decision to shift vote to gut feeling

[Psyche]

in my defense — i nearly flaked from wilson too

[Psyche]

honestly, i always do this. im sorry

[Psyche]

i feel great. stuff soon

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oh ye of little faith

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overall the wagon strikes me as rather lazy in a hypocritical way
am being pressured to do something by people who aren't otherwise doing anything

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the either/or reads from earlygame remain interesting. a decomposition into "these posts are both scummy, but relationally unlikely" makes logical sense, but have an underlying implication that i think an actual person would find uncomfortable believing: that one of the scumreads is flat-out wrong. that discomfort seems a subtlety that scum might miss in a performance but range of ways it might be managed in an earlygame is diverse enough that i'm not clear on how to use that. guess if anything it makes outworldr look worse in retrospect

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okay, what's the difference?

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have been through this loop many times is all. but i know it's mostly self-inflicted

[Psyche]

These early reads seem a bit mindless… let’s slow down a bit and think about it.

I’m here by the way.

It was intended to be somewhat controlling, since I wanted to try and get things under control. I am a very logic-based person so I wanted to really flesh out the arguments and such.

I think the questions you're asking are fine, but you're digging in a bit much. For right now, I'm with Luca in voting for bugspray but I may acknowledge some other notions as to the scum identity.

#30 by jacob24 is notably cautious.
in #88 jacob provides more context. says he wants to "flesh out the arguments and such". it doesn't seem he ever follows through though.
eg in #83 he places blank vote for bugspray

VOTE: Jacob

I'm not really vibing with his reasons for joining the bug wagon. He said he wants to sheep Luca but Luca hasn't even voted there yet. It almost feels like he wanted to hop on before Luca because he knew Luca would likely join. Feels a little opportunistic

Fair enough. Maybe better to say I liked Luca's reasoning. A lot of people had put votes down on Bug without explaining really so I wanted something a little more formal. Post 26 felt good when I read the ISO on him.

#116 black pressures him for the vote, and he responds
#117 expresses that consistency w/ "logic-based" self-characterization derives from fact that luca provided clearer reasoning for bugspray vote. did luca? oh luca was the one that jacob asked follow-up question to. so jacob liked the answer? odd that this wasn't directly expressed until prompted if it was so persuasive. suggests an inclination to maintain flexibility.

UNVOTE:

Don't need/want e-2 on new player immediately. I'd like to hear them out first.

#227/#254 jacob unvote of bugspray and call for delay on dann is more consistent w/ self-characterization, but rather than logic-based and interest in fleshing out arguments, i'm just seeing caution, which can be okay
otoh 254/256/283 considered together are pretty wild and throws my "cautious" read into doubt

227 feels LAMIST to me and I don't think it makes sense for Jacob to get off the bug wagon if he thinks Luca's read is accurate. Feels more like he wants to give Dannflor a chance to save himself

Uh, yeah, if Dannflor is town I want to give them a chance to save themselves. Luca's read could have been confused by the fact that bugs was disinterested and not really into the game. Also that bugs left points to them being more town as I agree with what was said about not replacing out if scum.

This makes me think you may actually be the one working with Dannflor, calling me out for a reasonable play, making it seem like you want me to keep vote on someone you aren't voting yourself.

black is voting for me

Oop, that's right. Forgot they voted after last count. That vote makes me think she's town and you're scum or you're town and she's scum.

i did not

i actually read the game first this time and made sure i was replacing into what i thought was more likely to be a town slot before i replaced in

This post is crazy to me. Clearly you didn’t read close enough. This feels like an incredibly flimsy defense. Despite me earlier doubts, I’m back with Luca and like Black’s thoughts.

VOTE: Dannflor

in this last one jacob is calling someone out for not reading close enough after failing to notice a vote critical to his reads.
but the whole sequence swings between strong attitudes re dann/black that abandons the told-but-not-really-ever-shown thoughtfulness in prior posts.

jacob is fully committed to the dann wagon by #369, even trying to convince me to jump on

VOTE: ketchup

Still think that ketchup seems scummy. Also Lucca looks bad now for their bad ready of bugs/Dann.

but doesn't seem to reel or reorient at all after being wrong. would imagine that someone as anxious as jacob initially coded having a stronger reaction to error feedback here.

have had trouble reading new players in the past, but rough rule of thumb for reading unskilled players is to try ignoring inconsistencies/bs in the content of their posts and focus on consistency of conveyed emotions/attitudes/dispositions with other behavior. a consistent personality read that works over jacob's trajectory seems impossible, which inclines me to interpretation that the trajectory is faked. but maybe as easy to imagine that scum would try harder to more consistently perform the role he explicitly took on. i'm interested in seeing the slot flip but i can't say i have a firm read on it either way.

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was really hoping jacob would be the one...

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black's 110/116 sync well w my initial reaction to jacob's bugspray vote but black 235 feels by comparison not properly attentive to jacob's prior posts, in particular to the extreme consistency between the diffidence in jacob's bugspray unvote and his initial "let's slow down and think" vibe on p2
runs in contrast w/ her prior vote on and attention to the slot bc i'd expect it to either all be cast under the same lamist umbrella as the unvote, or for the possible personality/nai interpretation to come up

[Psyche]

overall though black's iso seems fine, if a little hall monitory

[Psyche]

still substantially tr projectry/titus and ketchup

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i think i've already run out of momentum

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imo the sequence that produced 368 is close to as easy to townread as luca's whole deal

[Psyche]

ok hu tao lets see

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@mod you claim this is a normal simple but multitasking is not a simple role modifier. Are all other mechanics in the game simple?

Why not ask this during role pm phase? Seems fake

this struck as town bc it was so derivative in an unforced way

Dann is good at wiggling out of bad situations,

but bug was scummy from their first post

. Also with the meta involved.

I'm having a hard time believing you actually believe this. What is so scummy about bug's posts outside of Luca's meta case?

Dann is good at wiggling out of bad situations, but bug was scummy from their first post. Also with the meta involved.

even after being pressed to explain the bug read further, hu never really expanded on basis for voting this slot beyond that one post.

not much else. will have to look at other people's posts to see why people are voting this.

hmm good parts of ketchup's case are just a different interpretation of this stuff
black's vote is naked
oof i bet luca's got a whole wall post about this nope it's the same thing
i mean, i guess i see it. it doesn't look like hu tao was ever very reflective over the course of the push, and was otherwise evasive of straightforward qs about it even while prosecuting the wagon. still painful to be this far w/o something more though

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i think i do? guess i'll have to look

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Yup. I think my reads are right. I could fight but I think my flip will get more sheep than yelling.

so you believe that this town
which has mislimmed already and is supposedly about to do it again
is soo sure to be able clear the game from your flip
that it's not even worthwhile to resist it?

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am inclined to agree w ower about titus's confidence seeming performative
the egotism doesn't mesh w the fatalism, nor the faith in town w her current vulnerability
need to revisit older posts from the slot, too tired now

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Yup. I think my reads are right. I could fight but I think my flip will get more sheep than yelling.

so you believe that this town
which has mislimmed already and is supposedly about to do it again
is soo sure to be able clear the game from your flip
that it's not even worthwhile to resist it?

yeah i think this is incredible enough that i can abandon my projectry take

VOTE: titus

[Psyche]

that suits me

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no pls scrolling through your isos is already a lot

[Psyche]

im a one-shot watcher

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is there anything luca could say that would surprise us

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VOTE: Gypyx

Why would you vote. Scum can blitz with 2 town votes

how does hu tao know that there are three scum

[Psyche]

is it that safe to assume?

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what's the most concrete nrg has ever been about how they review balance?
am only seeing equal winrates in wiki but frequently see concepts like swinginess thrown around

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fact that black took hu's post in stride made clear that it was shared information
was just trying to know whether it was certain or a guess

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damn it guys you're stealing my thunder. my moment

[Psyche]

i demand hushed whispers. and a podium

[Psyche]

i saved my watch for D2 :]

[Psyche]

omg pay attention to me

[Psyche]

ok you know what

- i watched drew last night
- gypx is scum
- i am a god a godddd a god
- null levels of info

VOTE: gypx

pedit: jesus let me post

[Psyche]

i honestly don't even care what else happens this game. months from now i will only remember this high

[Psyche]

can you imagine how hard it was to sit on that shot for a whole night. i was so sure luca would be the nk but i just chilled. i just chilledddd

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just beautiful. just a magic wonder. the aurora borealis? at this time of year? on this day? localized entirely within this thread?

[Psyche]

am i supposed to do anything else now besides spam fortnite dance

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objectively indeed lol

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i think i actually do have the energy tonight to work out a fuller reads list!

[Psyche]

objectively indeed lol

Where's my fortnite dances?

sry i don't actually know what fortnite is

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wow she's right i'm celebrating. gypyx sure got me

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ergh i find gypx so impressive that scrolling through her iso for relational reads just begets paranoia. can't really recall what i'm looking for. someone she's inexplicably cool on? someone she makes a big deal of hating w/o much followup or basis? need a better framework. i wonder what titus was expecting us to do with the votecounts by this point

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not much but at least think the "hu tao is very much obvtown right now" line from gypyx in 1663 is sincere
it's also provided w/o a lot of basis, which strengthens this read
have to assume the basis is intended to be in the claim -- with logic that first in a massclaim is an uncomfortable spot to lie about having a PR as extravagant as jailkeeper
in general gypyx seems to take most of the other claims at face value
eg the macho neap claim is taken at face value and used to reason about the validity of my claim (1694/1695) even though gypyx has never expressed a strong tr for ower
both these reads have a similar flavor

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not much but at least think the "hu tao is very much obvtown right now" line from gypyx in 1663 is sincere
it's also provided w/o a lot of basis, which strengthens this read
have to assume the basis is intended to be in the claim -- with logic that first in a massclaim is an uncomfortable spot to lie about having a PR as extravagant as jailkeeper
in general gypyx seems to take most of the other claims at face value
eg the macho neap claim is taken at face value and used to reason about the validity of my claim (1694/1695) even though gypyx has never expressed a strong tr for ower
both these reads have a similar flavor

Why are you even trying to read me

i'm actually trying to read your reads!

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now that i think about it the ower townlock feels more sneaked in than the hu tao stance. but could just be that the read was instrumental for the case against my claim.

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not much but at least think the "hu tao is very much obvtown right now" line from gypyx in 1663 is sincere
it's also provided w/o a lot of basis, which strengthens this read
have to assume the basis is intended to be in the claim -- with logic that first in a massclaim is an uncomfortable spot to lie about having a PR as extravagant as jailkeeper
in general gypyx seems to take most of the other claims at face value
eg the macho neap claim is taken at face value and used to reason about the validity of my claim (1694/1695) even though gypyx has never expressed a strong tr for ower
both these reads have a similar flavor

Why are you even trying to read me

i'm actually trying to read your reads!

Well i'm curious where this goes since even you don't really seem to know what you're looking for

plan is to bumble through and then reflect on gaps and mistakes later

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I have a lot of thoughts, I think I solved the game

jackson you better not start saying stupid shit

honestly i'd be cool with skipping luca's turn so that we may have more time to think about things

Mhm, so you should say what you meant by the doing smthn stupid

i think hu tao is very much obvtown right now

like, yesterday i guess it was less obvious, i thought she sent signals that she had an inno on me and it got mixed with her actual signals of being a PR

Psyche's claim is mighty suspicious also for reasons of lack of synergy with the setup + basically null levels of info it's allowed to bring, and him trying to accuse hu tao on something as flimsy as "knowing there are 3 scum" is comforting me on this idea

That's not what I asked

something stupid would be accusing hu tao

ooh ooh i got one
for those pondering between me and gypx imo this is her scummiest stuff
with the later context in 1772, 1629 reads as performative (how would have declaring a hu tao scumread been so damaging to merit this warning?).
it also assumes jackson is town on two levels.
first, it takes as a given that jackson has sincere reads and is working to prosecute them.
second, it's the opposite of an attempt to sort: it attempts to pre-empt jackson from doing the "stupid" thing that might have made it easier to read them.
follow-up posts cast this as a kneejerk reaction from someone afraid that jackson would derail the day with their reads
if that were the case, i'd expect the townread to be quite strong and confident -- felt deep where her emotions are -- but it's abandoned and switched the the opposite almost immediately afterward when jackson scumreads her
this trajectory is not believable. so believe my claim

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well if i was scum it would be kinda hard for them to hammer

so really it's one in me / psyche / jackson which we already know since there's one in me / psyche

I don't understand your first point.

It could be two of those as well

your point is "scum would've hammered by now" right? well, that's under the assumptation that i'm town getting wagoned, and while i appreciate the flattery, it's only an assumption

yes it could be two, what i mean more is like, it's at least one of us 3 and as such doesn't give much info

pedit : bruh

Yes I missed the following logic:

If psyche and Jackson are both town, you are scum, because I don't think Town!psyche would lie about his watcher visit at such a crucial time. Therefore yes, it is impossible all three of you are town.

god ketchup is so adorable

[Psyche]

Votecount 1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

Dannflor (7):

Hu Tao,

Jacob24

, Doctor Drew, Luca Blight, DeltaWave, ketchup777, Gypyx

HAMMER

DeltaWave (2):

Dannflor, OutWorldER

ProjEctRy (1):

Black

Hu Tao (1):

iamveryhappy

Not Voting (2):

ProjEctRy,

Psyche

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-03 02:13:32)

Mod Notes

None

By the way just saying it's pretty cool how Black / Jackson / Psyche fits with the majority of the scumteam being offwagon

once again a big reason for that was the deltawave nightkill, it was very risky since obviously it was gonna be the main place to look at by far

and, an easy answer for scum to reply by is simply being apathetic to the wagon taking place in front of their eyes, jacob was basically afk, psyche was actually afk, and black, funnily enough, basically stayed silent until dann died and that's when she decided to chime in

curious

woah so is this what vca is
would you all say that in general scum try to stay off mislim wagons? is that like the central assumption you use for doing this?

[Psyche]

yes i am scraping anything i can find to get this push going! it's genuinely fascinating that you can cast this as scummy

[Psyche]

when there's a single wagon that's basically pushing itself to it's death on town yeah i belive scum is enclined to stay off, claiming otherwise is just not knowing how scum minds work

ughhh i hate when people pull the context card. takes a nice, concrete principle and turns it to something amorphous and untestable
and besides! the wagon distribution on D1 were 3/2/2/1/1 just a couple days before the hammer!

[Psyche]

is very likely that my watcher result will be my peak this game. is too bad but i can't magically become good at mafia

[Psyche]

yes i am scraping anything i can find to get this push going! it's genuinely fascinating that you can cast this as scummy

i mean, you still have my 2 scumbuddies to catch ! maybe that's somewhere you can gain more towncred? it really seems like you want me dead and only me :lol:

also, again really cool that you can take something like me trying to lim my soft guilty (and also not get limmed myself) and cast it as a super scummy thing that is very smart to point out. feels like i am in a master class

[Psyche]

i deliberately muted the emotion in my posts before my result claim to max out the integrity of the massclaim process.
there was a chance that someone besides gypx would claim a drew action that my result could contradict.

[Psyche]

i even tried holding out for luca. on god i did

[Psyche]

i mean i suppose i wish it was hu tao or something. i would never have guessed gypx scum. but that's what makes this moment so much sweeter.

[Psyche]

this game is very different from wilson but it feels like it's ending the same way. i just don't have the rizz to get my pov over the finish line.

[Psyche]

i dont have the heart to talk about wilson w anything but the tone of a war veteran coping with unspecified trauma
also i think this thread gave me an actual fever and that's definitely how fevers work

[Psyche]

Psyche who do you think Gypyx's scumbuddies are

ooh awkward when i apply poe to my townreads it's just you and ower left
i'll figure it out later

[Psyche]

i am legit exhausted mafia is such a game

[Psyche]

will be really tough and maybe irresponsible for me to keep up yesterday's energy for the rest of this weekend. sorry if it means i'm crowded out

[Psyche]

there are a lot of words but i am not really seeing anything in gypx's latest posts that is substantial enough to engage with. the pattern is still to just cast the most anodyne things as deeply, obviously scummy and hope that a confident tone is enough to carry the idea along. seems more efficient for me to engage w the parts of these posts that town identify as compelling than to legitimize the obligation to quote reply the entire gish gallop. i genuinely don't have the time for much more than that

[Psyche]

VOTE: Gypyx

I think there's a big tonal difference in the way Psyche and Gypyx are handling the 1v1

Psyche is acting like he has caught scum. He's going through Gypyx's iso looking for partners and trying to digest her reads

Gypyx for some reason isn't all that interested in Psyche and seems more concerned with proving that Jackson is scum. She even threatened to vote for Jackson over Psyche if the argument was compelling enough. That's just not a statement I think comes from town that supposedly knows Psyche is confscum

It seems like Jackson is repeatedly pushing her with the repetitive+annoying 'you’re being maliciously fallacious', wasting her time so she can’t actually go and get reads

i just don't understand. gypx has reads. she has been presenting the same exact solve for the last dozen pages. there is nothing in gypx's iso that says "this person has no free time to get reads". there's so many ways i could imagine a third party interpreting their exchanges today, but this take is so mystical to me.

[Psyche]

ketchuppp. tell us more. what is your pov? what are you unsure about? is there anything i can comment on that would help you sort or solve

[Psyche]

ketchup you were never vulnerable. id never let them hurt you. ower's claim is null informative at best

[Psyche]

im not showing desperation because i have coping skills. this is me being healthy. cmonnn

[Psyche]

qq im getting nothing done today im too invested

[Psyche]

i was pretty vague on the difference between neapolitan and vanilla cop myself. this is just another nothing

[Psyche]

VOTE: Gypyx

I think there's a big tonal difference in the way Psyche and Gypyx are handling the 1v1

Psyche is acting like he has caught scum. He's going through Gypyx's iso looking for partners and trying to digest her reads

Gypyx for some reason isn't all that interested in Psyche and seems more concerned with proving that Jackson is scum. She even threatened to vote for Jackson over Psyche if the argument was compelling enough. That's just not a statement I think comes from town that supposedly knows Psyche is confscum

It seems like Jackson is repeatedly pushing her with the repetitive+annoying 'you’re being maliciously fallacious', wasting her time so she can’t actually go and get reads

i just don't understand. gypx has reads. she has been presenting the same exact solve for the last dozen pages. there is nothing in gypx's iso that says "this person has no free time to get reads". there's so many ways i could imagine a third party interpreting their exchanges today, but this take is so mystical to me.

She has more than I realised, you're right. But I still think Jackson is trying to stop her go get evidence and drive her emotions up unnecessarily, maybe trying to spam his ISO to cover up something in the same way that hangman could have been. Analysing the hangman (lmfao this sounds so stupid but forgive me), his choice of word, 'love', feels as if he was trying to portray goodness and purity, which a mafia would be more desperate to do than a town

i...i don't know what to say

[Psyche]

like, this is very much a scum slip, it doesn't get more obvious than that, save for it, accidentally posting in the game thread a message meant for the scum PT

god i wish i could perform this level of confidence about literally anything

[Psyche]

I'm not caught, I made a simple mistake you're blowing up because you have fucking nothing except "omg they're all piling on me" and "lol he made a mistake he's conf wolf"

We already lost too much time from the massclaim to just waste it further on your superficial "just in case" plan

We mass claimed in like 12 hours of the day starting, I wouldn't say we lost any time at all :lol:

Shh don't tell anybody, I clicked the page 60 on my spam through the pages to see the last VC which I thought was at a particular page and thought we had a day left in a panic

It hasn't been your only mistake though Jackson

but ketchuppp. how does the mistake say anything about jackson's win condition? what does jackson win for pretending he doesn't know the difference between a neapolitan and a vanilla cop? do you really think he was hoping to ride that to your elimination? where does this thought process go?

[Psyche]

black's iso just blah to me but i scumread her w ower based on poe. if the read is wrong, only hu tao is left. but i'm inclined based on costs/benefits analysis to agree that hu tao's claim seems credible. maybe more strongly i think that gypx's stances around hu tao demonstrate pocketing rather than team association. gypx has been scumreading black all game but has never found the time to seriously push her. there are reasons to dissociate them, maybe the chiefest being black's vote on her right now. but black's vote came late -- after luca signaled a likelihood of voting gypx -- and can easily be hedging for the possibility of a forced bus, or w the aim of taking a possible team solve off the table. and besides, the vote doesn't put gypyx at L-1 and would be easy to move anyway after i make a mistake on the level of mixing up vanilla cop and neapolitan or something. so it's pretty safe vote and fits fine w/ black's relative skill as scum. i worry i'm wrong and that saying all this will push black onto my wagon, but this is my best take atm.

[Psyche]

Jackson was the one who made this mistake though, not Black. Unless Black told him as much in the PT...?

I only brought up the mistake as an example of something people can push as an Obvious Scumslip even though there's nothing to it. speaking of which, i want to resurface this question:

I'm not caught, I made a simple mistake you're blowing up because you have fucking nothing except "omg they're all piling on me" and "lol he made a mistake he's conf wolf"

We already lost too much time from the massclaim to just waste it further on your superficial "just in case" plan

We mass claimed in like 12 hours of the day starting, I wouldn't say we lost any time at all :lol:

Shh don't tell anybody, I clicked the page 60 on my spam through the pages to see the last VC which I thought was at a particular page and thought we had a day left in a panic

It hasn't been your only mistake though Jackson

but ketchuppp. how does the mistake say anything about jackson's win condition? what does jackson win for pretending he doesn't know the difference between a neapolitan and a vanilla cop? do you really think he was hoping to ride that to your elimination? where does this thought process go?

[Psyche]

honestly still feels like a reach but i feel like in the last game i was in w black, she was doing more to push for a clear resolution to her reads and to ignore/phase out irrelevant rabbitholes. by comparison, black's play here has felt a little more hall monitory -- more uniformly critical of everything. but can be argued that this game is just harder. in wilson, scum was narrowed pretty early and the playerlist was smaller. i didn't expect this game to feel very different in pacing from wilson but the difference between 13 and 7 players has felt massive for me at least.

[Psyche]

i agree that it probably wasn't an attempt at killing ketchup, still there's a lot to get from it

a lot? oh don't go selling yourself short now. it's a scumslip. only posting something from the scum pt would be more obvious.

[Psyche]

if i could do it all again i'd have claimed my result in that post right after luca suggested massclaim. i thought holding back would be strategically wise but it was maybe the opposite.

[Psyche]

this thing reminds me of dannflor's mistake. he made a bigger deal of his drew read than it was thinking it would help build town equity. but the confidence only came off as artificial (because it was!) and secured his elim. most he could do after that was acknowledge the error and take the l. i could use some of that grace

[Psyche]

pretty much everyone around was talking about having something in store when i made that post

[Psyche]

also a drew watch was a particularly obvious action that i feel like anyone would suspect may have happened once i made my claim. based on how you reacted to it am pretty sure you saw my result coming too

[Psyche]

you were saying it was only allowed to bring null levels of info when i first made the claim

[Psyche]

you were saying it was only allowed to bring null levels of info when i first made the claim

by that i probably meant my point about how this claim allows you to fake my guilty and that's it, nothing more to add, really convinient to avoid being caught fakeclaiming

i was the second-to-last claim. i in fact had plenty of space to make a really extravagant claim if i'd wanted to.
and imo you'd be making the exact opposite argument on the basis of this right now if i had.
similarly you'd be presenting the exact opposite take on watcher's swinginess if it were more convenient

[Psyche]

i do ultimately agree that the role has swing. it's still the role i got though!

[Psyche]

you were saying it was only allowed to bring null levels of info when i first made the claim

by that i probably meant my point about how this claim allows you to fake my guilty and that's it, nothing more to add, really convinient to avoid being caught fakeclaiming

i was the second-to-last claim. i in fact had plenty of space to make a really extravagant claim if i'd wanted to.
and imo you'd be making the exact opposite argument on the basis of this right now if i had.
similarly

you'd be presenting the exact opposite take on watcher's swinginess

if it were more convenient

so why the fuck are you arguing for this then

because i think it's true

[Psyche]

the watcher result was enough to fulfill what i needed emotionally from this game. if it's not enough to win i'm fine with it. and yet i still keep refreshing this pageeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Psyche]

I AM LEAVING FOR 8 HOURS. PLEASE DON'T ASSUME I'M NOT REPLYING BECAUSE GYPX SAID SOMETHING SUPER INCISIVE AND UNANSWERABLE AND AM AFRAID OF BEING HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR MY VARIOUS SINS. I AM IN FACT MORALLY PERFECT AND BEING ABLE TO ANSWER THINGS IS ONE OF MY BEST TRAITS

[Psyche]

hey Psyche how about you walk back the watcher claim and we just become buddies

bet. i was just lying about being a watcher and you being scum as a reaction test. and also ketchup failed

[Psyche]

the watcher result was enough to fulfill what i needed emotionally from this game. if it's not enough to win i'm fine with it. and yet i still keep refreshing this pageeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

why are you acting so anxious about winnning? You've already got 3 votes on me things are looking up for you aren't they?

omg leave me alone

[Psyche]

im very worried. i posted about worrying. i have to
nononono i paid for this app called cold turkey and im going to use it good day madam

[Psyche]

i finished a thing so i guess i return early

[Psyche]

the mason claims just make my poe feel better. in particular everything's just cleaner if ower's claim is fake. why is everyone townlocking him?

[Psyche]

The way I see it. 1 shot watcher isn't strong enough for it to just be: odd night Vigilante, odd night jailkeeper, 1 shot watcher against scum.

My last game scum had: 2 shot Vig, Cop, Jailkeeper against 3 goons and that was balanced.

So this game has to be the OWER role as town I think to be balanced. Because scum prob have at least 1 scum pr

this is what i'm talking about. add a pair of masons to this logic. does a neopolitan still fit in?

[Psyche]

can i get more page synopses from that mason thread? specifically interested in d2

[Psyche]

my attention is still divided and all this is moving too fast for me to meaningfully digest. is there anything i need to address right now?

[Psyche]

i was pretty vague on the difference between neapolitan and vanilla cop myself. this is just another nothing

psycheeeee were you trying to shut us down

yes

[Psyche]

i was pretty vague on the difference between neapolitan and vanilla cop myself. this is just another nothing

It's actually starting to piss me off

because you're being caught for the wrong reasons? whoever alerted me to that, was it Dann? it seems to be a case in point here

i was starting to type a lecture about forming reads based on mindset and counterfactuals but how obnoxious would it be to do all that w/o having shared any good reads to speak of this entire game

[Psyche]

I get gypyx's energy seems townie, I thought so too, but psyche in my opinion has been townier without pushing agendas or manipulating anything.

this is great but also wild to me. ive been literal trash this whole game except for one decision i can't prove happened. ive been gloating but this is going to be really close at best and it's all my fault

[Psyche]

i was pretty vague on the difference between neapolitan and vanilla cop myself. this is just another nothing

It's actually starting to piss me off

because you're being caught for the wrong reasons? whoever alerted me to that, was it Dann? it seems to be a case in point here

i was starting to type a lecture about forming reads based on mindset and counterfactuals but how obnoxious would it be to do all that w/o having shared any good reads to speak of this entire game

I was accusing Jackson here, not you

yess but it's bad reads all the way down

[Psyche]

yess but it's bad reads all the way down

see even that was obnoxious

[Psyche]

is maybe not worth bothering anymore but could masons ctrl+f for the stuff about ketchup in your thread

[Psyche]

am caught up. not as much substance to engage w as i thought. a no lim seems fine? i still think other two are ower/black and will probably try casing them both

[Psyche]

i guess biggest potential issue w no lim is that hutao misses and scum just optimize the voter pool for an even more likely mislim tomorrow. wifom would keep trajectories from meaningfully updating.

[Psyche]

i really need to get more work done. grateful for the extra time.

[Psyche]

every time i think about re-engaging w this game i think about what i could be doing w that energy instead

[Psyche]

i had a feeling things would take this trajectory from the moment i got my result. i can't match gypx's engagement here. i have other things going on and probably should have replaced out ages ago. i can't do all the cajoling and the badgering and the flinging of shit on the wall hoping something sticks. i don't have the liberty to fake dumb reads i don't have and pretend everything she and the others do are obvious scumslips. but this latest solve is literally the same one i had but with our 1v1 flipped. ive had it since before the mason claims! it doesn't even matter to gypx if the other slots are actually scum. scum only needs one flip. couldn't i have just claimed vt and played along if i were lying?? it's not like town has had a great hit rate thus far. couldn't i have coordinated a better fakeclaim if it were me/ower? a better target?? i had a feeling things would take this trajectory from the moment i got my result. god there are like ten more posts now

[Psyche]

my attention is still divided and all this is moving too fast for me to meaningfully digest. is there anything i need to address right now?

why did you not see Luca visiting Drew too?

thinking of traps, was this meant to be a trap for psyche? or what were you thinking. I was confused at the time but didn't comment in case it was a gambit

Yeah absolutely, psyche didn't respond from what i recall so it's not been too fruitful although if you are in the mood to entertain my ramblings i'm saying this is kinda in line with him being afraid scum who doesn't want to slip, town would *at least* want to call me out on this shit eating trap i think

he seems pretty burnt out anyways so maybe i'm holding him to innapropriate standarts

ughh this is exactly what i'm talking about. gypx made the post on a page where the mason claims were actively being discussed and after i had already acknowledged them. it was the laziest reaction test that's happened this game. do i really have to engage w every nothing gypx posts in order to make it through this?

[Psyche]

now that i have reads having reads is scummy too

[Psyche]

also my current engagement is so far from minimal. there is a vast vast chasm between the level of obsession gypx can muster and minimal engagement

[Psyche]

is totally true that my play this game is”i’ve tried nothing and i'm all out of ideas". i genuinely don’t see much else to try that would work. i think the comparative reason is that i can’t pretend to see stuff in gypx’s posts in a way someone free to openly lie and dissemble can.

[Psyche]

can break down 3335 further if people find it compelling but the gist of its error is that in places it’s a non sequitor or just misrepresents what has actually happened.

i had plenty of reasons to moderate my excitement when i made my claim. gypx is a formidable player who i could not have scumread otherwise. by comparison i haven’t managed anything of value this whole game and received a lot of warranted pressure the day before. furthermore she was already casting doubt on the claim from my first word of it using logic that i’d need to do a lot of follow-up research re setup design to even start engaging with. the closest thing to a recourse i have is to case a slot whose iso is massive and impenetrable. jackson’s posts gave me some hope that things would work out but now that the initial high has fallen out i’m honestly surprised that it’s not already over. even still i expressed plenty of ecstasy when i made my claim and will feel plenty good about it no matter how this game goes. this entire paragraph in her attack is flowery but poorly reasoned and contradicts what actually happened in the thread.

i am quite conscious my “case” against gypx isn’t amazing but that’s different from not believing she’s scum. the critique of this might be superficially reasonable if i had long-established reasons in thread to scumread her but i only know she’s scum because of my result. i’m under a lot of pressure to pull something out of my ass and argue that every post she’s made proves a scum mindset but that’s just not realistic. maybe it would be wiser to pretend that it is but i can’t marshal the energy anyway. and besides, i’d probably look inauthentic doing it. i can and depending on how much longer this goes on probably will do more to single out posts in gypx’s iso that could conceivably sway a ketchup or a hu tao but i can hardly tell what in their iso particularly entrenches their reads on this slot. maybe i dive into their isos too for hints of this.

the non sequitors in all this are that even if they were true, none of these claims about my play do anything to predict win condition. laziness, ineffectuality, defeatism - none of them are unique to scum and in fact i’ve been guilty of them all in perhaps the great majority of my games. i thought i’d shaken these traits off but i still don’t know how to consistently manage the game’s fundamental ambiguity.

now that i think about it, if anything, i think gypx’s contrastive confidence in her poorly-substanced reads make her more clearly scum than less. when jackson was still an option for a mislim, she was able to confidently cast their flub of the difference between a neap and a vanilla cop as an obvious scumslip while the straightforward counterfactual that he overlooked a difference between two very similar roles was effortlessly discounted. similarly her vca highlighting that her scumreads were all off wagon is incredibly superficial and basically reasoned in comparison to how strongly she values it as evidence. and as another example, she all but cleared ower solely on the basis of his claim’s “synergy” with hu tao’s jk claim until the mason claims forced her to drop it. it was always nothing! bullshit pretending to be gold abounds in her iso (most today are about me) and her case against me almost totally amounts to my inability to match this output.

i know the easy alternative explanation for all this is that she’s just that much more experienced as a player and has the knowledge and track record to back up this confidence. but the gaps in these reasonings are the flaw in that interpretation and should upweight the actually true explanation — that she can be so inventive of and confident in these reads because she doesn’t have to believe in them and she doesn’t have to worry that she might be wrong. she just needs to convince two players of a solve that excludes her.

i still think that interaction i highlighted w jackson re tao goes part and parcel with all this and can probably expand on that and other examples that show this disinterest in sorting and performative confidence in weak reads that don’t deserve it.

[Psyche]

ugh but thatks like another half hour down the drain

[Psyche]

you dont sayyyyyyyyy

[Psyche]

alexa whats a very polite way to ask a group of people if they have lives

[Psyche]

i just want to get back to work

Changed to size 75 to accommodate rule 11

[Psyche]

i hate you soo much

[Psyche]

in game of course in game

[Psyche]

plssssssssss

[Psyche]

ketchuppp if i wait to read and reply to that post until like tomorrow will you hate me forever

[Psyche]

also please just lim me or gypx don't be cruel

[Psyche]

there are two gazelles!

[Psyche]

ughhh
so like
- it gets even harder for gypx to lose the 1v1 if another nk succeeds
- another nk succeeds because hu tao is all but hopelesssss
- i can't take another day of this
- if before this game ends the sun dies and the earth is flinged out of its orbit to freeze under an erstwhile eternal night before being absorbed into jupiter's core gypx will still be there spinning up multi-color wallposts explaining why im the scummiest thing since the british empire

[Psyche]

there's like zero chance that ower cleared his buddy ketchup in the Coolest Gambit Ever right

[Psyche]

no. this is not optimal. it only hands more edge to scum. especially with hu tao locked on townreading gypx. if you're at all open to me being town you have to see this. it's worse odds and more hell

[Psyche]

the sun is setting im out im out im out im out

[Psyche]

i should be trying harder to understand what ketchup is on about

[Psyche]

i almost got hit by a car tonight
im taking it as a timely reminder

[Psyche]

i took a melatonin but it's not working

[Psyche]

its workin a liytle

[Psyche]

will do more stuff after work today (if ive gotta)

[Psyche]

nope goodbye i'll see you all in at least 5 hoursnope goodbye i'll see you all in at least 5 hoursnope goodbye i'll see you all in at least 5 hoursnope goodbye i'll see you all in at least 5 hours

[Psyche]

Votecount 3.15

Votecount 3.15

Gypyx (4):

Psyche, Black, JacksonVirgo, OutWorldER

E-1

Psyche (2):

Gypyx, Hu Tao

Not Voting (2):

Luca Blight, ketchup777

With 8 Alive, it takes 5 to secure an execution, and 4 to secure a no execution.

Day Three ends in (expired on 2024-02-19 03:52:11)

Mod Notes

Combined Mod ISO is Here

how convenient the congregation upon Gypyx is now the deadly non-Gypyx potential team

sooo convenient

[Psyche]

part of me thinks i do all this now to avoid letting it hang over my head for the rest of the day
but there will always be more to do more suspense more trouble

[Psyche]

given that your gypx read is bound to factor into a jk choice i'd say the odds are far less than 20%
and then the math for actually limming her gets even worse

[Psyche]

i swear you know that the ower wagon is terrible idea if your gypx read is wrong but you're just pushing it anyway out of confidence

[Psyche]

given that your gypx read is bound to factor into a jk choice i'd say the odds are far less than 20%
and then the math for actually limming her gets even worse

This is a slip.

He just confirmed gypyx is town.

like the neap/vanilla cop thing was a slip

[Psyche]

stop sending me this shit

[Psyche]

haha!

[Psyche]

it's a relatively safe bluff. if it works, they win. if it doesn't then survivors have a hard-to-fake bus to bank on tomorrow. how do they get anywhere just nakedly congregating on their mislim target the whole day?

[Psyche]

i mean it probably fails if they don't win the 1v1 but it's the best way to hedge for that they have

[Psyche]

fat lot we get from a tighter pool if she's all but guaranteed not to target you

[Psyche]

if i could just go 10 minutes without refreshing egosearch

[Psyche]

i can't help it. i have so much to do but i can't help it. i haven't had a complete thought since friday. i just want to go back to before this game even happened and slap myself.

[Psyche]

is there a way i can hang on without destroying myself?
i guess its really simple. i have to follow through on the timeboxing i planned for myself

[Psyche]

Who did the night kill?

OutWorldER

Darn. I was gonna choose black or ower. I chose the wrong one

phew