Mini Normal 2324: Fake Fantasy Facts | Postgame

[Hu Tao]

Hi.

[Hu Tao]

Hi.

I like your entrance the best.

You are town.

Thank you. I will blindly trust this and say you're town too!

[Hu Tao]

Hi.

I like your entrance the best.

You are town.

Thank you. I will blindly trust this and say you're town too!

VOTE: Hu Tao

kinda wanna say this comes from scum? Like, there's a bit of a "oh god i gotta appear towny" in those words imho
"blindly" also sounds hyperaware of the lack of info a townie would normally have

VOTE: gypyx

[Hu Tao]

Hi.

I like your entrance the best.

You are town.

Thank you. I will blindly trust this and say you're town too!

VOTE: Hu Tao

kinda wanna say this comes from scum? Like, there's a bit of a "oh god i gotta appear towny" in those words imho
"blindly" also sounds hyperaware of the lack of info a townie would normally have

I don’t think Hu Tao’s post is that bad
I will say I am likewise getting good vibes from you
For the time being I think a town block of you, me, Hu Tao, and FuDuzn works

Sorry gamma. No adding yourself or anyone else to my town core of me and FuDuzn

[Hu Tao]

I wish i could time travel

huh? what prompts this?

I am tired so i wish to time travel straight to my bed

Well um actually the correct superpowed would be teleportation as time travels only allows you to move through time and not space

[Hu Tao]

Hi.

I like your entrance the best.

You are town.

Thank you. I will blindly trust this and say you're town too!

VOTE: Hu Tao

kinda wanna say this comes from scum? Like, there's a bit of a "oh god i gotta appear towny" in those words imho
"blindly" also sounds hyperaware of the lack of info a townie would normally have

Hu Tao's post sounds like the kind of thing a townie would say tbf

Why would a townie say it?

[Hu Tao]

What did you like about it?

Sorry if I seem to be badgering, but putting someone in a town block based on a dozen words seems strange.

I like this post!

[Hu Tao]

I feel like Clap is a bit too aggressive too early to be scum here

Bestie we have the same read.

[Hu Tao]

Day 1 Vet Bait here, TP/LO on me. Oh wait, wrong game.

Alrighty, so here we are, my first ever comment in my first ever Mafia game. Super excited to try this out, hope I find the time to properly contribute.

I found this site by reading about a funny jester role in a Mafia game with 100 players, and then I kinda got hooked and read the whole thing. It was interesting. My main takeaway was that the dude with the Majoras Mask Profil picture was right, town needs to rule with an iron fist. Less chitty chatty, more substance.

That said, seeing as I’m new to this I obviously don’t intend to tell others how to play. Not like I’d be familiar with the normal meta here already. In Town of Salem which is my main experience with this sort of genre so far it would be customary to start by going down the playerlist asking for roles, but from what I understand that’s not how it works here?

So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.

GL,HF

VOTE: upward

This seems a bit forced for me.

[Hu Tao]

Upwards - might be scum.
Claptastik - leaning town.
FuDuzn - town
Laplacian - the slightest of town reads
Gypyx - might be town

This is where I am so far.

[Hu Tao]

Hi.

I like your entrance the best.

You are town.

Thank you. I will blindly trust this and say you're town too!

VOTE: Hu Tao

kinda wanna say this comes from scum? Like, there's a bit of a "oh god i gotta appear towny" in those words imho
"blindly" also sounds hyperaware of the lack of info a townie would normally have

VOTE: gypyx

Die Die Die

hope that's not a serious vote tbh

It was at the time. But I like your posts following that

[Hu Tao]

Day 1 Vet Bait here, TP/LO on me. Oh wait, wrong game.

Alrighty, so here we are, my first ever comment in my first ever Mafia game. Super excited to try this out, hope I find the time to properly contribute.

I found this site by reading about a funny jester role in a Mafia game with 100 players, and then I kinda got hooked and read the whole thing. It was interesting. My main takeaway was that the dude with the Majoras Mask Profil picture was right, town needs to rule with an iron fist. Less chitty chatty, more substance.

That said, seeing as I’m new to this I obviously don’t intend to tell others how to play. Not like I’d be familiar with the normal meta here already. In Town of Salem which is my main experience with this sort of genre so far it would be customary to start by going down the playerlist asking for roles, but from what I understand that’s not how it works here?

So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.

GL,HF

VOTE: upward

This seems a bit forced for me.

Why is it scum instead of just newb?

Could be. But I feel new people are not as likely to have a scripted opening like that.

[Hu Tao]

eeeeh, just gonna pretend i think Hu Tao is town for now and i'm challenging that when we get to it

Nope. No going back. You MUST decide now if I'm town or not.

[Hu Tao]

I guess I'll make my decision based on more posts then. But I'm fine with my vote being on them now.

[Hu Tao]

eeeeh, just gonna pretend i think Hu Tao is town for now and i'm challenging that when we get to it

Nope. No going back. You MUST decide now if I'm town or not.

Nuh uh

to be clearer i feel like you're the kind of slot that's gonna get easier to read as the game goes on, plus i don't trust i'd be able to successfully lead a push on you anyways (regardless of ur alignement) so no real point dwelling on that

Can you clarify why you think I'll be easier to read as the game goes on?

[Hu Tao]

Also, my posting'll be a little light for next couple days. At the country dance world championships atm. Will have more time after my wife competes.

So plz dont turbo me until then kthx
(Unless it's really funny)

Have fun!

[Hu Tao]

Day 1 Vet Bait here, TP/LO on me. Oh wait, wrong game.

Alrighty, so here we are, my first ever comment in my first ever Mafia game. Super excited to try this out, hope I find the time to properly contribute.

I found this site by reading about a funny jester role in a Mafia game with 100 players, and then I kinda got hooked and read the whole thing. It was interesting. My main takeaway was that the dude with the Majoras Mask Profil picture was right, town needs to rule with an iron fist. Less chitty chatty, more substance.

That said, seeing as I’m new to this I obviously don’t intend to tell others how to play. Not like I’d be familiar with the normal meta here already. In Town of Salem which is my main experience with this sort of genre so far it would be customary to start by going down the playerlist asking for roles, but from what I understand that’s not how it works here?

So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.

GL,HF

VOTE: upward

This seems a bit forced for me.

Why is it scum instead of just newb?

Could be. But I feel new people are not as likely to have a scripted opening like that.

Wow, I absolutely love it. Like, unironically it made me laugh. Very first post on this site and I get to hear my opening is scripted. Fun Fact: It’s not. It’s just the story of how I came here in the first place, cuz with what else to start? "Hi" was already taken you know. But you’re right, I obviously had some idea of what I wanted to put in there.

Also am I misunderstanding something or are you saying I am not new? I literally had no account just a couple days ago…

Anyways, with this Hu Tao officially comes into my Slightly Town leaning order. I think Mafia would feel silly making such an argument and from what I’ve seen so far she’s on track to become a guiding light. I like Posts 96,97, and 113 simply because it mirrors what I’ve seen from trusted townies in the game I’ve read. This seems to be the way to go. Alternatively she’s a pretty good Scum player.

LMAO you're funny. I think you can be town for now actually.

UNVOTE:

[Hu Tao]

Unfortunately (or fortunately?) I'm having more town reads than scumreads at this point

[Hu Tao]

Um yeah that’s normal, there’s more town than scum, at least there should be in a well-balanced game

I usually find scummy things rather than town reads when I play for some reason.

[Hu Tao]

If Margot gets to e-1 I will quick hammer

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

He's voting you...

VOTE: margot

[Hu Tao]

He's voting you...

VOTE: margot

Tbf he voted lucca and then claimed it was to get reactions.

True. Who are your top townreads btw?

[Hu Tao]

You and gypyx.

Yours?

You and FuDuzn

[Hu Tao]

If Margot gets to e-1 I will quick hammer

Was this serious?

Yes. But i also wanted to see who would unvote and I think it's good for later in the game depending on margot's alignment

[Hu Tao]

We have a whole week left for the day. Going into night when we have like, four or five people who haven't really contributed is not pro-town.

This looks like a post that scum does to contribute to the conversation without actually saying anything.

VOTE: Delta

[Hu Tao]

Unfortunately (or fortunately?) I'm having more town reads than scumreads at this point

Um yeah that’s normal, there’s more town than scum, at least there should be in a well-balanced game

The dynamics of 2 of you feel different.Are you town?

Didn't you say I was town already? And gamma is one of my favorites to play with.

[Hu Tao]

I thought Hu Tao´s entry was towny but as the game progressed, i dont like her dynamics with Gamma at all.
Also dont like Gamma´s reasoning for switching vote on Claptastik. Overall i get a feeling like Gamma is trying to position herself as town, and is worried that she doesnt look towny enough.
I think Gamma+Hu Tao are buddies.
VOTE: Gamma

This is a great post from you. I think you're town (for once)

[Hu Tao]

STAHP VOTING GAMMA YOU MEANIES >:CCCCCC

nah in all seriousness i kinda hate the general vibes around it's wagon, hard to describe but like, it feels like a lot of people each finding their own small thing to be suspicious about

I don't townread gamma at all but her wagon did go up quickly and I think there have been scummier people here.

[Hu Tao]

Who is my crew?

I think gamma is sus for trying to push herself into a town block. But they aren't my top priority right now

[Hu Tao]

I thought Hu Tao´s entry was towny but as the game progressed, i dont like her dynamics with Gamma at all.
Also dont like Gamma´s reasoning for switching vote on Claptastik. Overall i get a feeling like Gamma is trying to position herself as town, and is worried that she doesnt look towny enough.
I think Gamma+Hu Tao are buddies.
VOTE: Gamma

This is a great post from you. I think you're town (for once)

I agree that Naerys feels town, but calling that a great post doesn’t land

I don't agree with the post. But I can see how and why she came to that conclusion so that makes it a great post.

[Hu Tao]

Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????

This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.

[Hu Tao]

We have a whole week left for the day. Going into night when we have like, four or five people who haven't really contributed is not pro-town.

This looks like a post that scum does to contribute to the conversation without actually saying anything.

VOTE: Delta

There is so much bad reasoning behind this post that I don't even know where to start. Is it because I just made a post outlining my reads on everybody, thus making it impossible to say I'm not contributing? Is it because Hu Tao themselves have made multiple no-content posts so this is a pretty hypocritical thing to say? Is it because I actually did have a point by saying I didn't want D1 to end within the first couple of days? (Town benefits from day, scum benefits from night, it's a fact - and we have basically no information from multiple players, one of which is being replaced.) Is it because Hu Tao did nothing to rebut my arguments except for finding the thinnest of reasons to vote for me? Is it because it's plainly OMGUS? If you said "all of the above", you'd be right!

Hu is really near the top of my sussy impostor list.

This seems like such an overreaction. Also if I have so many non content posts, why am I being town read? Why are you the only one saying so?

[Hu Tao]

Who is my crew?

I was joking about the town block, so Gamma, Fudu, Gypyx, but you already discussed gamma.

I think gamma is sus for trying to push herself into a town block. But they aren't my top priority right now

Only Fu and me are in the town block

[Hu Tao]

Gamma is at e-2

[Hu Tao]

OK, I misunderstood the reference.

That's fine. Overall my town read on you still stands because of everything else. But this goes to show that sometimes you can just misread a thread- which is how this whole line of conversation started, with my mistake on Lucca's post.

VOTE: Gamma,

but I would unvote if Gamma got to E-1

. I still want to get more information out of Alianna's replacement and to get some more activity in general going from people who are lower in the post counts. I'd also like Zeb to explain his vote, which seemed to come out of nowhere, and which made me think some things that I'll share after he explains.

Let's vote out delta please

[Hu Tao]

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

[Hu Tao]

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

I’m having a Deja vu

I’d like to understand your motivation here. Is it the same play you explained in 347?

Personally I’m still suspicious of Gamma but assuming both you and Delta are not bluffing that means we let RNG decide what happens if Gamma gets to E-1? There’s no way to tell who will randomly be on their phone in that moment should it happen.

Why does this scare you if you sus them?

[Hu Tao]

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

I have a question for you: what do you think this is going to accomplish?

Potentially eliminating scum

[Hu Tao]

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

I have a question for you: what do you think this is going to accomplish?

Pretty sure it would accomplish your elimination.

[Hu Tao]

OK, I misunderstood the reference.

That's fine. Overall my town read on you still stands because of everything else. But this goes to show that sometimes you can just misread a thread- which is how this whole line of conversation started, with my mistake on Lucca's post.

VOTE: Gamma,

but I would unvote if Gamma got to E-1

. I still want to get more information out of Alianna's replacement and to get some more activity in general going from people who are lower in the post counts. I'd also like Zeb to explain his vote, which seemed to come out of nowhere, and which made me think some things that I'll share after he explains.

Let's vote out delta please

How often do I get mentioned in the mafia PT?

Deflect more

[Hu Tao]

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

I have a question for you: what do you think this is going to accomplish?

Potentially eliminating scum

are you sure about that? do you think announcing it increases the odds of that happening?

Yes

[Hu Tao]

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

I have a question for you: what do you think this is going to accomplish?

Potentially eliminating scum

are you sure about that? do you think announcing it increases the odds of that happening?

Seems as if the Town Blocc is falling apart

At least I feel like I have one town buddy that came from it

Any guesses on who?

There was literally never a town block. Only me and you town.

[Hu Tao]

Gamma are you willing to vote delta?

[Hu Tao]

There can only be one greek name

[Hu Tao]

Gamma are you willing to vote delta?

Are you willing to explain your vote?

I've already explained, but you're not okay with me answer. So am I scum or am I misguided town from your pov?

[Hu Tao]

@Hu Tao

why is Margot scum?

I think I posted a reads list not too long ago. And I seem to have quite a few townreads. So I'm okay with any one that's not one being gone today

[Hu Tao]

Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????

This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.

I had Margot scummy at the time because of a post but looking back it wasn't as bad as I thought. I'd put her in ???? Tier right now I think.

[Hu Tao]

Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????

This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.

I had Margot scummy at the time because of a post but looking back it wasn't as bad as I thought. I'd put her in ???? Tier right now I think.

Which post were you concerned by out of curiousity?

The one I voted you

[Hu Tao]

Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????

This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.

I had Margot scummy at the time because of a post but looking back it wasn't as bad as I thought. I'd put her in ???? Tier right now I think.

Which post were you concerned by out of curiousity?

The one I voted you

That seems like a flippant response

Are you just annoyed at the question?

No? Just saying it was the post that I voted her that I quoted something she said

[Hu Tao]

Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????

This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.

Why is Gamma "leaning sus?"

I explained but because she tried to join and make a town block with me

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????

This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.

Why is Gamma "leaning sus?"

I explained but because she tried to join and make a town block with me

Why particularly do you find that sus

Why wouldn't joining an existing town core when not asked sus?

[Hu Tao]

I've clearly said I've gotten a lot of townreads so far. So anyone giving me any sort of pause is fine for me to vote

[Hu Tao]

No. Lap is town 100%

[Hu Tao]

No. Lap is town 100%

Now I know you’re capping. There is zero reason you should be townreading that ISO

So am I scum then if I'm lying?

[Hu Tao]

Just his vibe is town. I don't think scum has his vibe

[Hu Tao]

No. Lap is town 100%

Now I know you’re capping. There is zero reason you should be townreading that ISO

So am I scum then if I'm lying?

Are admitting you don’t have a valid reason to TR Lap?

I looked at his newbie game where he was town. He seems the same. As a new player I don't think he'd be the same as scum here.

[Hu Tao]

No. Lap is town 100%

Now I know you’re capping. There is zero reason you should be townreading that ISO

So am I scum then if I'm lying?

Is this the kind of thing where you know Lap is town, Lap gets eliminated, and then you try to gain townpoints as a result?

The posturing of this post is sus. But he only has 3 votes, why would this be the first thing you think of?

[Hu Tao]

Huh, a sudden push on the lowest activity slot in the game. That's not sus at all. This makes me feel better about the gamma and margot wagons, and worse about gypyx.

Same

[Hu Tao]

Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????

This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.

I had Margot scummy at the time because of a post but looking back it wasn't as bad as I thought. I'd put her in ???? Tier right now I think.

Which post were you concerned by out of curiousity?

The one I voted you

So actually because I asked FD if I was being scum read

Yes

[Hu Tao]

Hell, this is game design 101, make sure the first experience is good before people funnel out. It's the reason fortnite gives you an easy win vs bots when you first sign up.

LOL, as I read the first sentence I was thinking the second.

[Hu Tao]

You gonna try forming another townblock any time soon?

[Hu Tao]

From what I can tell, Lap's big sin is that he gave a low-effort read list and then OMGUS'ed Lucca. Is that the case against him?

My big issue is he promised good content and gave 3 mediocre posts in the promised hour (this timeframe us metaphorical)

Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're voting for Lap because you think he's scum, not as a pressure vote. The reasoning you gave sounds like it would be for a pressure vote.

Good analysis. I admit I may be wrong on delta

[Hu Tao]

FuDuzn just disappearing and posting once a day is concerning to me btw

Why? Couldn't they just be busy? Or is there something wrong with the posts?

[Hu Tao]

Can you fuckers stop immediately assuming I am leaning towards suspecting someone when I ask them a question? It’s happened three times now I think

Am I one of the fuckers?

Ironically enough I have been been questioned this game quite a but when I ask questions.....but it seems we interpret the intent a bit differently.

I mean, I will agree with(Clap I believe it was?) that you have a distinct lack of scum reads......even your vote on lurkyNae seems like a safe place to lock a vote on.

I guess I just spoilered who I think isn't town in the Town Blocc though

Are there other reasons than Nae being quiet behind the scum read?

Is this directed towards me or Gamma?

Towards you

A scum read might be too strong of a phrasing, but like I said it was their lack of scum reads and then a 'safe' vote on Nae, coupled with frustration when people push back on her, all seems a bit suss yes.

So apparently any time I try to do anything I’m the devil. GOT IT.

No I am the Devil

FuDuzn just disappearing and posting once a day is concerning to me btw

Coming from someone who was just prodded for lack of activity......hello pot, meet kettle.

I generally don't have all day to post, and when I was free yesterday I wasn't getting a lot of engagement with my posting, so ya I am not gonna be Clap and just engage with the wall lol

Wait you're right. Lucca was just prodded

[Hu Tao]

Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????

This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.

I had Margot scummy at the time because of a post but looking back it wasn't as bad as I thought. I'd put her in ???? Tier right now I think.

Which post were you concerned by out of curiousity?

The one I voted you

So actually because I asked FD if I was being scum read

Yes

Scum read by me or Hu?

I think it is pretty clear I think you are scum

She meant the reason I changed my read. Nothing to do with your read

[Hu Tao]

No. Lap is town 100%

Now I know you’re capping. There is zero reason you should be townreading that ISO

So am I scum then if I'm lying?

Is this the kind of thing where you know Lap is town, Lap gets eliminated, and then you try to gain townpoints as a result?

The posturing of this post is sus. But he only has 3 votes, why would this be the first thing you think of?

"Am I scum if I'm lying" sounds like you're confidently asserting town status based on an anticipated flip. The inverse of "I'm scum if I'm lying" is "I'm town if I'm telling the truth."

I was trying to figure out if gamma thought I was scum lying because before then she thought I was town. So that's why her post didn't make sense to me

[Hu Tao]

You mean lying about your read on Lap?

Yes she said I was capping. Which means lying

[Hu Tao]

Also is gamma at e-1 right now? Seems like it? I could be wrong though

[Hu Tao]

I guess we wait for claim

[Hu Tao]

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

Cold feet

[Hu Tao]

The Lap read is interesting. I thought similarly, but don't really want to vote low activity slots out d1 just on the basis of low activity, esp when they have decent reasons for absences

I'm not voting him for activity though. I think his posts are scummy.

I don't really see someone who is assumedly vaguely keeping up townreading Hu Tao, who has done nothing since like page 8 but talk about quick hammering and about the townblock stuff

This isn't true. I've been talking with people. You seem to have issues with people's activities for someone who was just prodded

[Hu Tao]

Even if gamma is scum I don't think Margot is partner here.

[Hu Tao]

So I'm not allowed to be suspicious of you gamma and still enjoy playing with you?

[Hu Tao]

Wait wasn't Alianna supposed to be replaced like t days ago?

[Hu Tao]

5*

[Hu Tao]

If you actually enjoyed playing with me, you wouldn’t go out of your way to annoy me.

Well sorry I'm annoying then.

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao and Clap are officially black-balled from the townblock

You were never in the town block

[Hu Tao]

I’m just vanilla, and I don’t believe she was ever going to pivot away from pushing me. So I just sped along the inevitable.

If I thought you were certain scum I would have just voted.

[Hu Tao]

Not true

[Hu Tao]

FuDuzn has died in the night! He was a

Town Tracker

.

Spoiler: Role PM

Town Tracker

Welcome, FuDuzn! You are a

Town Tracker

.

Each night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn which players, if any, that player visited that night.

You win if the mafia is eliminated, and at least one town player remains.

Please confirm by replying with your role and alignment.

MargotRosa has died in the night! She was a

Mafia 1-Shot Juggernaut

.

Spoiler: Role PM

Mafia 1-Shot Juggernaut

Welcome, MargotRosa! You are a

Mafia 1-Shot Juggernaut

.

Your mafia partners are [REDACTED]. You may talk to them here.

Your faction has a factional kill ability. Each night, you or one of your partners may attempt to kill a town-aligned player.

As a 1-Shot Juggernaut, you have an additional ability: Once in the game, when you are performing the factional kill, you may activate your Juggernaut shot. That night, nothing will be able to prevent the kill from going through.

You win if the mafia controls 50% of the votes, or if nothing can prevent this.

Please confirm by replying with your role and alignment, or by posting in the scum PT.

Margot scum. What a surprise

[Hu Tao]

the issue is that I need to re-read but with the flip I think I have a bigger scumread than Lap

Lap is town.

[Hu Tao]

@373

is pretty interesting with the flip, at least.

@Upwards and @Laplacian, did you guys get the time to have a re-read and collect your thoughts during the night? Kinda interested to hear both of your guys opinion, given the complete reevalution of some of my reads.

Right now I'm rereading HuDuzn's posts, seeing who he was leaning towards. Looking for a reason why scum hit him.

Pretty sure scum hit him trying to get a PR

Why?

[Hu Tao]

GG
I am 1shot vigilant and i shot a scum

Nice work! Though I wish you didn't claim yet since you were pretty towny. Scum might kill you now.

[Hu Tao]

The only viable wagon is Gamma Emerald, at E-2, with it's insaciable leader Claptastik convicing players such as Upwards, Naerys and Delta that this is the correct lim for today.

I mean...Fuck you?

Sorry, but I despise armchair quarterback players who won't take the lead, but then criticize those who do.

I'll take this as you volunteering to lead us to a scum lim today.

Town post

[Hu Tao]

@373

is pretty interesting with the flip, at least.

@Upwards and @Laplacian, did you guys get the time to have a re-read and collect your thoughts during the night? Kinda interested to hear both of your guys opinion, given the complete reevalution of some of my reads.

For starters, the end of day 1 suggested to me that both Delta and Hu Tao are not very trustworthy since they both walked back on their word regarding Gammas E-1. Then again, I seem to have been the only one giving any credit to such claims so perhaps that’s a normal thing to do on this site here, I wouldn’t know.

With Gamma flipping town I could see scum being on that wagon, will look more into that when I find the time. Still think my reasoning back then wasn’t necessarily wrong, but apparently I have overestimated how scummy the early townblock and Gammas strange 323 really was.

Regarding Margots 373:

Think that looks good for Zebedee who she pretended to be suspicious of. On the other hand she claimed to lean town on Gypyx and you, which makes me suspicious. However Gamma being there as well mitigates that a bit.

Scum was likely on that wagon

[Hu Tao]

As with my might power, i bless Hu Tao with conftown status.

HEAL: Hu Tao

Thanks but unvote lap he's pretty towny

[Hu Tao]

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Gamma Emerald (7):

Alianna, Claptastik, Upwards, Naerys, DeltaWave, Laplacian, Gamma Emerald

DeltaWave (2):

Hu Tao, Zebedee

Laplacian (2):

lucca261, Gypyx

MargotRosa (1):

FuDuzn

FuDuzn (1):

MargotRosa

Not Voting (0).

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

Flavor

Dragon Fact #11:

While chromatic dragons are normally considered evil and dangerous, spring-green colored dragons are vegan, so you can approach them safely with no fear of being eaten. Beware though, do not confuse them with regular green dragons, as these LOVE to eat humans.

So I think it's Alianna slot, upward or Delta who was scum on Gamma.

Alianna slot was just a vote that was there for days though so that's likely NAI but could still be a scum vote.

I think I should look into delta and upward.

[Hu Tao]

Of those off the wagon one scum in Zebedee slot, lucca, Gypyx is possible. I doubt all scum was off gamma so 1 was probably on like I said in my previous post

[Hu Tao]

I'll look into Margot posts in a bit

[Hu Tao]

As with my might power, i bless Hu Tao with conftown status.

HEAL: Hu Tao

I’m confused, what does this mean?

Enchant is dramatic. It just means he townreads me

[Hu Tao]

Replacing Claptastik.

Naur

[Hu Tao]

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Gamma Emerald

(7):

Alianna,

Claptastik

, Upwards,

Naerys

, DeltaWave, Laplacian,

Gamma Emerald

DeltaWave (2):

Hu Tao

, Zebedee

Laplacian (2):

lucca261, Gypyx

MargotRosa

(1):

FuDuzn

FuDuzn

(1):

MargotRosa

Not Voting (0).

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

Flavor

Dragon Fact #11:

While chromatic dragons are normally considered evil and dangerous, spring-green colored dragons are vegan, so you can approach them safely with no fear of being eaten. Beware though, do not confuse them with regular green dragons, as these LOVE to eat humans.

Oh unfortunate, Gamma self-hammered

Why are you confident I'm town?

[Hu Tao]

Anyways, gotten around to thinking about Hu Tao again, and i think this slot's kinda weird? At least in terms of good stuff, the interactions with Margot look kinda good 660 and Margot's big read list where she pretty much puts them as scumlean, but with declared intent to get around to pushing them

On the other side, sitting on delta has maaaybe a bit of scum equity for them, as like, that wagon was kind of not going anywhere for a long while? (granted, no wagons were really going anywhere apart from Gamma but such pasiveness kinda indicates a willingness to let things go that way without involving oneself) on top of that if Hu Tao is indeed scum then i think we need to look for the 3rd on the actual Gamma wagon as there's almost no chance that thing is actually pure

Also is gamma at e-1 right now? Seems like it? I could be wrong though

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

Cold feet

this also weird me out a bit as a "my shitposting isn't really working out anymore but i wanna pretend it's still a thing, which is imo more likely to come from a scum mindset aka : more willing to fake viewpoints

kinda annoys me to have that many scumreads but it'll prolly be fine (clueless)

Ironic because I was just thinking you could be scum again

[Hu Tao]

Discrediting me as shitposting day 1 when I had quite a few reads is scummy as well.

[Hu Tao]

Even if gamma is scum I don't think Margot is partner here.

also there was this (during the Gamma flip) which just sounds like a weird thing to say in hu tao's postion

Why would scum defend their partner so hard at the end? It was an independent read to what I thought to them individually

[Hu Tao]

Either way I'm not being voted out today, if you're town I suggest take your energy elsewhere

[Hu Tao]

I was going to unvote if FD didn’t anyway since I wanted to see Margot’s reaction to the wagon, not the blitz elim

this might be what tiny mafia was banking on - Hu Tao was active during the wagon and enticed someone to E-1 it so she could hammer. I think this is big town energy

I'm glad someone saw what I was doing there.

[Hu Tao]

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MargotRosa

(5):

Claptastik

,

Gypyx

, Gamma Emerald, Laplacian, FuDuzn

Upwards (2):

lucca261, Hu Tao

Gamma Emerald (1):

Alianna

Alianna (1):

Naerys

Not Voting (4):

Upwards, Zebedee, DeltaWave, MargotRosa

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

flavor

Dragon Fact #4:

While often depicted as cruel and beastly monsters, dragons are actually highly intelligent, and have a better grasp on science than most humans. In fact, dragons invented modern computers!

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Combined Mod ISO.

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Gamma Emerald (7):

Alianna,

Claptastik

,

Upwards

, Naerys,

DeltaWave

, Laplacian, Gamma Emerald

DeltaWave (2):

Hu Tao, Zebedee

Laplacian (2):

lucca261, Gypyx

MargotRosa (1):

FuDuzn

FuDuzn (1):

MargotRosa

Not Voting (0).

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

Flavor

Dragon Fact #11:

While chromatic dragons are normally considered evil and dangerous, spring-green colored dragons are vegan, so you can approach them safely with no fear of being eaten. Beware though, do not confuse them with regular green dragons, as these LOVE to eat humans.

Looking at the wagons, i wish to solve in Claptastik- Upwards-Delta
they feel the most sus
Also gypyx is likely town

I agree. I think clap slot is town though.

[Hu Tao]

Anyways, gotten around to thinking about Hu Tao again, and i think this slot's kinda weird? At least in terms of good stuff, the interactions with Margot look kinda good 660 and Margot's big read list where she pretty much puts them as scumlean, but with declared intent to get around to pushing them

On the other side, sitting on delta has maaaybe a bit of scum equity for them, as like, that wagon was kind of not going anywhere for a long while? (granted, no wagons were really going anywhere apart from Gamma but such pasiveness kinda indicates a willingness to let things go that way without involving oneself) on top of that if Hu Tao is indeed scum then i think we need to look for the 3rd on the actual Gamma wagon as there's almost no chance that thing is actually pure

Also is gamma at e-1 right now? Seems like it? I could be wrong though

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

Cold feet

this also weird me out a bit as a "my shitposting isn't really working out anymore but i wanna pretend it's still a thing, which is imo more likely to come from a scum mindset aka : more willing to fake viewpoints

kinda annoys me to have that many scumreads but it'll prolly be fine (clueless)

Ironic because I was just thinking you could be scum again

alas we are but the Romeo and Juliet of mafiascum, bound to destroy each other no mattern the strength of our love

[Hu Tao]

Discrediting me as shitposting day 1 when I had quite a few reads is scummy as well.

yeah so, i think you misundersteand my point here, yeah you did stuff day 1, more than the average player even, i'm more talking about the progression of "hey i'm gonna quickbhammer" to "i'm not actually"

Passion explained my reasoning for that

[Hu Tao]

Spoiler: LONG

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MargotRosa

(5):

Claptastik

,

Gypyx

, Gamma Emerald, Laplacian, FuDuzn

Upwards (2):

lucca261, Hu Tao

Gamma Emerald (1):

Alianna

Alianna (1):

Naerys

Not Voting (4):

Upwards, Zebedee, DeltaWave, MargotRosa

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

flavor

Dragon Fact #4:

While often depicted as cruel and beastly monsters, dragons are actually highly intelligent, and have a better grasp on science than most humans. In fact, dragons invented modern computers!

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Combined Mod ISO.

Votecount

Gamma Emerald (7):

Alianna,

Claptastik

,

Upwards

, Naerys,

DeltaWave

, Laplacian, Gamma Emerald

DeltaWave (2):

Hu Tao, Zebedee

Laplacian (2):

lucca261, Gypyx

MargotRosa (1):

FuDuzn

FuDuzn (1):

MargotRosa

Not Voting (0).

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

Flavor

Dragon Fact #11:

While chromatic dragons are normally considered evil and dangerous, spring-green colored dragons are vegan, so you can approach them safely with no fear of being eaten. Beware though, do not confuse them with regular green dragons, as these LOVE to eat humans.

Looking at the wagons, i wish to solve in Claptastik- Upwards-Delta
they feel the most sus
Also gypyx is likely town

great post you are so great today congrats naerys

i don't hate all targaryens now

Do I detect BITTERNESS after Naerys DOMINATED the BIG STRONG MAFIA PR last night?

[Hu Tao]

Oh I just noticed on my little note with reminders of flips and replacements that Alianna is now Enchant
VOTE: Enchant

I think we give enchant a pass for now. Alianna was just on the vote while a replacement was being found. Can't rule them out as scum though. I agree

[Hu Tao]

Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????

This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.

A playerlist-ordered reads list, EH!?

Yes? How else would I get all the names?

[Hu Tao]

Lap is town. Who else do you think is scum?

[Hu Tao]

If I hadn't already voted FD, I'd definitely throw my first vote at Zeb on gut alone right now

This makes me want to vote PoP

[Hu Tao]

Lap is town. Who else do you think is scum?

One of DW, Enchant, PoP, Upwards. Why is Lap town?

His vibe is very towny

[Hu Tao]

I'll consider pairings that aren't Laplacian - most of Laplacians vibes are good.

I get tiny mafia vibes from these two posts. What do you think?

Rofl, 10/10 end to day 1

GG
I am 1shot vigilant and i shot a scum

gg indeed

First one gives me town vibes

[Hu Tao]

Does anyone in my tag team have any concerns with anyone else in my tag team? Or the MUCHO MAN himself?

Hu Tao, Luchador64, Gypyx, Naerys?

I'm not sure on lucca or gypyx really

[Hu Tao]

I'll take theatrics over lurking, and there's analysis once you get past the gimmick. 908 939 941 are all good

Town post

[Hu Tao]

I think we should find the scum that was on gamma. So I think we vote delta or upward

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: upward

[Hu Tao]

This is a very lazy wagon. It doesn't feel like anyone is trying to sort Upwards.

Who do you think is scum?

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

[Hu Tao]

Upward should probably claim though

[Hu Tao]

I'm okay with just voting enchant

[Hu Tao]

Alright, thank you.

What I’d like to see now is:

An explanation from Hu Tao about Gamma E-1

A reply from Comical to my 1005

A reply from Enchant to PoPs 1031.

A reply from Delta to my 1047

What about E-1?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: enchant

[Hu Tao]

Alright, thank you.

What I’d like to see now is:

An explanation from Hu Tao about Gamma E-1

A reply from Comical to my 1005

A reply from Enchant to PoPs 1031.

A reply from Delta to my 1047

What about E-1?

A summary of why you played that situation the way you did would be nice.

Because I wanted to see reactions of everyone and how gamma would react in that situation.

[Hu Tao]

Nah. This is scum enchant. Vote him

[Hu Tao]

true

[Hu Tao]

I'm fine with letting comical cook for a bit.

[Hu Tao]

you think i fake claim protective as town and let me good buddy Naerys die with a town gambit?

Lap/PoP is really too on the nose for me. Maybe Gypyx and the team work line is fake and there to discredit me off of Lap.

Delta/Hu Tao probably sweeps this game in a scenario where Dragon did us dirty with the setup like that, but i can see Delta trying to figure out. They're playing it well if scum.

PoP white knighting Lap doesn't make too much sense. Good for them if they are, I just don't see it.

VOTE: Lap

I tried to help you fade me, PoP, but uhm...i don't think you're doing a good enough job convincing others.

You overcooked, unfortunately. Lap is town.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Enchant

I forgot if I'm voting already

[Hu Tao]

I think we should mass claim.

No

[Hu Tao]

We aren't claiming today

[Hu Tao]

Enchant still the vote today please.

[Hu Tao]

Enchant should probably claim

[Hu Tao]

He's scum. He acts like this as scum.

[Hu Tao]

Someone hammer

[Hu Tao]

if you hammer i'm death tunneling you

I wish I could I already voted

[Hu Tao]

Hammer him. Please. Vote me tomorrow if he's town

[Hu Tao]

Wait he's at e-2 damn

[Hu Tao]

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

^^^^^^^^^

He does this as scum to get people to town read him.

[Hu Tao]

Both docs should be on naerys who is conf town. So we keep her alive. This is why we don't go in docs today. Then we go enchant today.

[Hu Tao]

Or vote enchant

[Hu Tao]

He's scum. He acts like this as scum.

btw that's bonkers that this is a common occurence for enchant to act like that

i legit don't get it

This is townEnchant doing this.

Imo, if this was scum enchant doing this, it’s borderline bannable.

How is it worse then self voting as town?

[Hu Tao]

Unfortunately comical is town since that was clap and randy. But I still think lap is town too. I don't want either.

[Hu Tao]

Unfortunately comical is town since that was clap and randy. But I still think lap is town too. I don't want either.

It’s literally impossible for Lap to be town

Are you fake claiming. Yes or no. Cause I have a very strong lap is town read

[Hu Tao]

Well your read is wrong

Are you fake claiming. Yes or no.

[Hu Tao]

Just so funny seeing all of Lap’s posts knowing they are scum

If I said I had an inno on Lap, what would you say?

[Hu Tao]

Comical is just fake claiming and causing this mess. It's kinda sad

[Hu Tao]

We aren't mass claiming day 2.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: delta

[Hu Tao]

Why

[Hu Tao]

If I was scum I would let flavor do his thing and vote out town

[Hu Tao]

moving your vote after you see enchant claim vanilla? not a sus at all yea

I'm still wanting to vote enchant but doesn't seem that is getting done.

[Hu Tao]

Okay well flavor just confirmed he was fake claiming on lap. I'm not an investigation role

[Hu Tao]

Okay well flavor just confirmed he was fake claiming on lap. I'm not an investigation role

Now she’s back tracking and trying to find any opening she can that Lap survives

You realize that if I were scum with lap that would be ACTUAL throwing by doing this?

[Hu Tao]

Okay well flavor just confirmed he was fake claiming on lap. I'm not an investigation role

Please explain how this confirms anything I don’t get it anymore. Are games on here always like this?

No. You were unlucky enough to be in a game flavor wants to fake claim and cause chaos

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao's response to this situation is suspect to me.

Why?

[Hu Tao]

Comical is town I agree.

Problem is I also think lap is town. So this doesn't make sense to me.

[Hu Tao]

If it was any slots but these 2 I wouldn't be struggling so much.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Comical

Can you not

[Hu Tao]

Comical if Lap was scum, why do you think he cc'd instead of just going with the flow of the game

[Hu Tao]

Yeah agreed. Okay. Let's try and solve this game

[Hu Tao]

I'm not sure on enchant here

[Hu Tao]

And then pushes densely that the team is Enchant-Comical.

Like, maybe I’m overestimating their ability, but I think they’re dense town fairly dealing with jittery Flavor

Who do you think is the scum on the gamma wagon? Unless you think all were off

[Hu Tao]

Okay. I'm fine with delta

[Hu Tao]

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE

Can you unvote comical

[Hu Tao]

It's tough trying to find scum here

[Hu Tao]

Maybe we vote PoP

[Hu Tao]

I think we have a Lap, Comical, Hu Tao, Enchant, Naerys town core here, so that’s a good start. It’s only Day 2, plenty of time.

Agreed

[Hu Tao]

Aside from the claimed PRs, Comical's townblock is the one person who can't be picky about who allies with them and the one person who is on a wagon other than Comical or Enchant.

Meaning?

[Hu Tao]

That seems like a silly discredit. I think we vote out delta here

[Hu Tao]

I said earlier that Hu Tao's approach was suspect because she should have the same perspective as I did, which is having a townread on Lap and also knowing that Comical's claim was fake.

I think she too easily discounted the possibility of Comical being scum. If Comical is town, Hu Tao is likely scum who played to pocket Comical, which would have been fairly easy to do.

No. I just know comical fake claims a lot. I can show you my last game where he literally did

[Hu Tao]

I think we have a Lap, Comical, Hu Tao, Enchant, Naerys town core here, so that’s a good start. It’s only Day 2, plenty of time.

Agreed

I just noticed enchant. I agree to those not enchant

[Hu Tao]

Comical is town I agree.

Problem is I also think lap is town. So this doesn't make sense to me.

If it was any slots but these 2 I wouldn't be struggling so much.

Why did you make these posts? You weren't struggling.

Yes I was. Because they were my top 2 trs and they are saying they are in a 1vs1.

[Hu Tao]

My point is that we both knew the claim was 100% fake, either Comical town fakeclaiming or Comical scum. My issue is that you fully treated him as town and didn't question it, when from an uninformed perspective you should be capable of seeing that his play here accomplishes scum goals far more than it does town goals.

As scum it was a risky play for a slot that was heavily Town read, so neither made sense as scum

[Hu Tao]

Yes.. because I Town read both of them. I didn't care about his claim unless he was hard claiming. Which he didn't

[Hu Tao]

Because he kept saying it was a 1vs1. And I'm the one who stopped it from being a 1vs1 by saying I had an innocent on lap

[Hu Tao]

Policy votes are the worst thing. It's just voting someone just so you don't feel like you have to take accountability. And if they are town you just go "oh well not my fault"

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

Yeah, Enchant & Comical came out of this mess looking good. Definitely wasn't the most efficient and sanity-maintaining way to do it, but it got us there.

I think Delta looks worse, but she was already hanging out on my scumlist so I've got some bias there.

PoP seemed legit, but I reallllly don't like 1818.

Agreed on the last part

[Hu Tao]

We only have 1 day left. Can we get 2 more votes on delta?

[Hu Tao]

15 hours left and we need 2 more votes on delta.

[Hu Tao]

Enchant can you vote delta?

[Hu Tao]

Crazy how basically 2 conf town are on delta and no one wants to vote with them.

[Hu Tao]

@1878 no problem calling me Luca if it's saves time actually

will be here for the end of the counter if it comes to that

Why not just vote now?

[Hu Tao]

Crazy how basically 2 conf town are on delta and no one wants to vote with them.

Crazy how basically 2 conftowns were also on Gamma Day 1

Votecount 1.12

Combined Mod ISO.

Votecount

Gamma Emerald (7):

Alianna, Claptastik, Upwards, Naerys, DeltaWave, Laplacian, Gamma Emerald

DeltaWave (2):

Hu Tao, Zebedee

Laplacian (2):

lucca261, Gypyx

MargotRosa (1):

FuDuzn

FuDuzn (1):

MargotRosa

Not Voting (0).

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

Flavor

Dragon Fact #11:

While chromatic dragons are normally considered evil and dangerous, spring-green colored dragons are vegan, so you can approach them safely with no fear of being eaten. Beware though, do not confuse them with regular green dragons, as these LOVE to eat humans.

Crazy how that works huh, who would've guesses, like, wow, i'm flabbergasted

pedit : Lucca you're litterally me

This is a discredit. Gypyx might be scum here instead of delta but we don't have much time. Obviously different scenarios, we didn't know they were conf town at the time

[Hu Tao]

We need info out of today.

[Hu Tao]

fuck it

VOTE: Upwards

flash wagon, anyone?

No. We only have 3 hours

[Hu Tao]

Upwards can you hammer?

[Hu Tao]

Come on... why?

[Hu Tao]

As for my vote:

I lean more town on Enchant now following the reasoning that is behavior is slightly less crazy as Town than as Scum.

That still leaves me with Delta, Hu Tao and Comical as my three most suspicious reads at this point. And out of those, Scum!Comical would be the biggest threat, since he clearly has some kind of 4D Chess plan that I’m not fully getting. Also not a fan of him coming in calling me super fake only to townlean on me now with the only reason given being that he hadn’t realized I’m new when he made the first statement, after I had asked for clarification on Mucho Mans unreasonable arguments against me.

Since there’s only my and Deltas wagon left though, and I don’t wanna hammer when I’m the counterwagon, I’ll say that I really like PoPs and Luccas argument here.

VOTE: Upwards

If you suspect delta just vote delta. Who cares if you're the counter

[Hu Tao]

Nobody died during the night!

[Hu Tao]

Naerys

Enchant

Hu Tao
Laplacian

Lucca/Upwards
Gypyx/PoP

Order from town to scum most likely

Me being below enchant is a crime

[Hu Tao]

what makes hu tao so towny again?

?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: gypyx

[Hu Tao]

I think she's just given up. No reason to act like that as town

[Hu Tao]

Can someone hammer

[Hu Tao]

Confirm

[Hu Tao]

Someone just hammer please....

[Hu Tao]

Nobody died in the night!

What??

[Hu Tao]

Shall we go Upwards today?

Let's talk things out a bit more. We just need to find one more town

[Hu Tao]

Me you lap and comical are town. We need 1 more tr.

[Hu Tao]

Your defense is that I thought you had a funny post beginning of day 1?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: upwards

[Hu Tao]

Yaaay. Good work everyone!

[Hu Tao]

Yeah I thought Upwards was town in the beginning but his self vote on the delta vote and today's defense solidified him as scum. Very good work, upward!