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Ooh. I didn't know this was a thing. Looks like you're my competitionIn post 11, Black wrote:Speaking of scummies I'm hoping to win Rising Star this year so I may tryhard this game
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VOTE: thomithIn post 20, Thomith wrote: Why are we putting somebody on E-1 on Page 1?
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This seems like a stretchIn post 24, Black wrote:
This kinda feels like you know I'll flip townIn post 21, ORAM wrote: Feel like anybody who actually hammered her so early would be scumclaiming anyway.-
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Twins!In post 35, Black wrote:
Funny, that's how I feel about your Thomith readIn post 32, Hu Tao wrote:
This seems like a stretchIn post 24, Black wrote:
This kinda feels like you know I'll flip townIn post 21, ORAM wrote: Feel like anybody who actually hammered her so early would be scumclaiming anyway.-
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Why was it necessary to point out that we E-1 someone there when it was clear already? And the person unvoted immediately. Especially when it was a clear rvs wagonIn post 36, Thomith wrote:
In all likelihood Testarossa might not be mafia because knowingly putting someone at E-1 is bringing a lot of attention to herself for little gain. I still kind of want to look at what she does from here before I commit this to a town read though.In post 31, Hu Tao wrote:
VOTE: thomithIn post 20, Thomith wrote: Why are we putting somebody on E-1 on Page 1?
Seems like someone saying the obvious to look towny
I voted anyway to see how people to react, and gave weak reasoning to see who would jump on me.
Gamma jumping on me seemed relatively organic. your vote however feels less so.
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In post 13, Gamma Emerald wrote: VOTE: Black
Was it always okay to openly campaign for receiving a Scummie? It seems to have suddenly become a popular thing to do this yearOkay I saw it wrong it was gamma who unvoted not the person who put black at E1. Even so, it was declared e1 so it just felt like you were repeating information to look busy
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Because the vote itself was self explanatory. From what I noticed scum usually say things to fill out posts with things that don't need to be said but can be implied or is clear to everyone viewing it. It's clear that testa put you at E1, it was stated in the post. it was clear they voted testa for that said action right after. There is nothing wrong with either of those 2 things. My issue is stating it right after looks like trying to justify one's vote to town to look towny, when it didn't need to be said. Without reading that post couldn't you tell the reason thomith voted testa?In post 42, Black wrote: Why are you framing it as him repeating information and not him giving a reason for his vote?
I agree with him that putting me at e-1 isn't necessarily scum indicative, but it's not very pro-town and I don't see any issue with him voting Testarossa for it-
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Okay so you agree that your post was weird but just don't like my reasoning for saying it was weird? Okay I understand better now. And I would say it worked to get more discussion though I wish you waited until others chimed in so I could see any other's opinions on it. Thoughts on Black's reason for voting me based on your post?In post 43, Thomith wrote: I mentioned the E-1 for two reasons.
1) Even though it probably isnt a Maf tell, I still wanted to point it out because regardless of alignment I think putting someone on E-1 on page 1 is silly.
2) I knew it was a very weak reason to vote, and knew it would bring attention to me, so I could gauge the reactions it brought to get the game moving.-
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Also can you explain your thoughts on why gamma's vote feels authentic? All she said was that she feels like voting there at the moment?In post 36, Thomith wrote:
In all likelihood Testarossa might not be mafia because knowingly putting someone at E-1 is bringing a lot of attention to herself for little gain. I still kind of want to look at what she does from here before I commit this to a town read though.In post 31, Hu Tao wrote:
VOTE: thomithIn post 20, Thomith wrote: Why are we putting somebody on E-1 on Page 1?
Seems like someone saying the obvious to look towny
I voted anyway to see how people to react, and gave weak reasoning to see who would jump on me.
Gamma jumping on me seemed relatively organic. your vote however feels less so.
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past few weeks I was on vacation so I couldn't talk much. But I'm back now.In post 49, Naerys wrote: I am not used to seeing Hu tao posts longer than one sentence-
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Spoiler: to Thomith
Could you explain your thoughts on Black? Seems like she's saying the post is not weird, and thus her vote on me is for that. But you admit it is weird since you did it on purpose. What are your thoughts on the discrepancies there.-
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No post now!!!!In post 50, Arko wrote: small heads up that I kinda need to sleep so... no posts for now. I'll get back to you guys when I'm awake, and have time.
Kidding get some sleep-
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Okay I was going to ask your thoughts after but you're ahead of me already.In post 55, Black wrote: I kinda like Hu Tao's questions here
I don't really like Thomith saying his Testa vote was purposely weak after he got some pressure for it. To me it felt like his frustration was real and he was genuinely worried about someone not paying attention to the VC and hammering me, which I think makes sense from a competitive standpoint. But the conversation with Hu makes me think he's trying to play it off as it all being fake for the sake of reactions-
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Okay I'll wait for your response thenIn post 56, Thomith wrote:
Acknowledging I've seen this just haven't got round to answering it yet - I'm leaving work here in a little bit so will answer when I get home.In post 52, Hu Tao wrote:Spoiler: to Thomith
Could you explain your thoughts on Black? Seems like she's saying the post is not weird, and thus her vote on me is for that. But you admit it is weird since you did it on purpose. What are your thoughts on the discrepancies there.
I do want to do this for now;
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MaybeIn post 59, Gamma Emerald wrote: I think Hu Tao picked up on the same things I did, just expressed them in a way that wasn’t perfect-
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I was just about to say I wanted more people who haven't commented on the situation to talk, so I'm glad you commented. Can you explain why you townread black?In post 63, ORAM wrote: I actually believe Thomith about his thought process, I think it's flawed and more complicated a plan than necessary but it feels real to me.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
If you thought Thomith was being weird, why vote him with no followup? One could say you've voted and explained later yourself.
I think Black and Hu Tao can be town for now. My gut says at least one of the scumteam is in the group of players who haven't engaged yet, but it's early in the day and as they get involved they should become sortable.-
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Yep, I see it. I think I'm okay with that at the moment. I understand what you did since I do something similar at times. I'm not sure I get the black townread from it.In post 68, Thomith wrote:
May I ask why you felt my responses felt desperate?In post 62, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Not great. Feels kinda desperateIn post 60, Black wrote:
What do you think of Thomith's responses afterward?In post 59, Gamma Emerald wrote: I think Hu Tao picked up on the same things I did, just expressed them in a way that wasn’t perfect
I really just don’t care for the fact that the vote came before the explanation like it did
Just as a heads up I did end up responding in Post 61In post 65, Hu Tao wrote:
Okay I'll wait for your response thenIn post 56, Thomith wrote:
Acknowledging I've seen this just haven't got round to answering it yet - I'm leaving work here in a little bit so will answer when I get home.In post 52, Hu Tao wrote:Spoiler: to Thomith
Could you explain your thoughts on Black? Seems like she's saying the post is not weird, and thus her vote on me is for that. But you admit it is weird since you did it on purpose. What are your thoughts on the discrepancies there.
I do want to do this for now;
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Reads? You've been around but not saying much of substance when there has been things that could be saidIn post 76, Naerys wrote: Bloop-
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This is very fairIn post 82, Arko wrote: That was honestly slightly hard to make since well- 80 Posts plus the fact 3 people aren't really posting.-
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VOTE: gammaIn post 86, Gamma Emerald wrote: VOTE: kittiesecret
I don’t like the narration-esque manner of writing or the lack of any tangible content. Doesn’t feel like she actually gives a damn to solve.
Feels like pushing on a new person. They stated they were new, why not ask a specific question if you're worried she's not trying to solve?-
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This is the response I'd expect from gamma if she's town. I've seen gamma ask lots of questions before so I know she's capable, so she could be scum hereIn post 87, Thomith wrote:
Hey!In post 85, Kittiesecret wrote: Good evening!
I just finished catching up, and there was a lot of things said with out a lot of things being said.
I am new I only have one game under my belt. And I don't have any day one reads on any one yet.
What do you think of Hu Tao's questioning of me?
What do you think of my responses to that questioning?
What do you think of how Black has been posting so far?
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Ooh. I'm interested as to why?
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Yet you haven't explained why you scumread me at all, even though I asked why directly
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Yeah I'm fine with Kittie for now.In post 129, Black wrote: Yeah Kittie seems fine-
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You're selling me on Black. I could see a Black + Gamma team. I think you're my first true townread so far.In post 151, Arko wrote: Anyways fuck it I've got a reads list to post.
Same reasons. I want klick to say why they scumread this.Hu Tao - Town -
Indirect read on Thom, mentioned directly in the post about black. Go there if you wanna learn why thom is likely town.Thomith - Town -
Still like testa as much as the previous read post, but since they posted more, I have more confidence in it. Honestly can see putting it up to town later.Testa - Possible Town -
Generally no reason to suspect currently. Last post was good but not like, spectacular.Kittie - Possible Town -
I like naerys, definitely closer to town than scum. Problem is I don't have too much confidence and they haven't been really too active. still need a bit more time to decide, but what little there is I'm liking fine enough.Naerys - Neutral -
I don't mind gamma, but hasn't really been pinging either town or scum sensors. felt like they went into the background, honestly. It's not that you haven't posted much, you've just faded in compared to the other people I've been seeing, talking more about... etc.Gamma - Neutral -
Generally needs to elaborate more. slightly disliked their predecessor, and I don't know what the actual fuck is going through klick right now. Please, please god elaborate with your thoughtsKlick - Neutral -
No further elaboration. Full, entire post for this. Go read that.Black - SCUM -
scum is Black + one of Gamma, Klick, Or Naerys I presume. Other combinations possible, but less likely to me. If anything, I should try to look at black's patterns a bit- might confirm hu tao a bit more, because I think she might of pulled the same thing she did in the recent scum round and possibly even the newbie with someone else.-
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How are my posts careful if I've been directly suspecting and analyzing posts?In post 152, Klick wrote: Got a bit of time before work
I feel like the townreads on Hu Tao are rather weak reasoning for how strongly they're being expressedIn post 137, Arko wrote:3: Klick voting Hu Tao: Can I get some like, thoughts on this vote? you are probably the first person here to have something besides a town read, let alone having a scum read. Would also be nice to hear your thoughts on more than just Hu Tao though.
I see no real reason she couldn't be scum
Her posting feels... careful, is probably the best way to describe it? I feel like there's a deliberate effort to make her posts feel like accurate description and to put out a large amount of content
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Can you explain the naerys read?In post 154, Klick wrote: In terms of other reads, I think you and Naerys are pretty solidly town. I feel good about Thom too, the reaction test stuff felt very authentic and like he genuinely wanted to use it to get reads and content that he could parse.
I'm fairly happy with the Black wagon, I think there's potential for scum there but I don't really want to add momentum to it atm-
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In post 161, Gamma Emerald wrote: Hu Tao stop being trash pls
I'm a sucker for ATE.In post 162, Gamma Emerald wrote: Like, you seem dead-set on me being scum for…pushing a new player to provide better content??? And you additionally seem to be giving that new player a pass for what exactly???
Like, I’m not gonna play with kid gloves on, those were thrown in the wood chipper after my last off-site game. I am not gonna just let bad play snowball because a player is newer.
And yes, I know but just based on experience you seem the type to talk it out first. I could be wrong though-
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Tbf I have a soft spot for newer players so it could be my fault.In post 163, Arko wrote: I'm going to bed.
I kinda did the same thing the first like 1.5 days so I don't find it too bad but yeah they aren't really too active and would need to be a bit now. so fully neutral on that debate. if they don't add much tomorrow yeah the possi town ranking could go down. but I do have a small gut feeling in her being town.-
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That was my original interpretation tooIn post 165, Naerys wrote:
I dont like the aggression in this post.I agree that bad play should not be tolerated, not even newbies. But pushing for their 3rd or 4th post? That feels as if you were a shark that has smellt their preyIn post 162, Gamma Emerald wrote: Like, you seem dead-set on me being scum for…pushing a new player to provide better content??? And you additionally seem to be giving that new player a pass for what exactly???
Like, I’m not gonna play with kid gloves on, those were thrown in the wood chipper after my last off-site game. I am not gonna just let bad play snowball because a player is newer.-
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Considering I'm not voting you currently and never expressed a town read on you. (In fact I've been more weary of your slot considering I've been asking people thoughts on your positions) why does that make me scummy? You already are E-2 why would it need my help to Elim you? This seems overly defensive for no reasonIn post 167, Black wrote: Arko's case on me is hot garbage. It's based entirely on meta, and I'm not some formulaic robot that plays the exact same way every game. My play is more influenced by things like what is going on in a game and what is going on in my actual life than it is by my alignment. I think comparing my early game posting between my town and scum games is a really poor way to try and determine my alignment, and that's even more evident considering Arko's conclusion here
That being said I like Arko's posts after the case, specifically his thoughts on Klick/Hu Tao in 151. I'm getting the vibe that he's probably just tunneled town here. I think part of this read is influenced by Hu's response to the case. 158 is really bad and makes her lose some town points imo. How is a case this bad selling her on scum!me? Feels more like she's trying to push the wagon along because she's fine with the mislim
I'm still not really sure about Thomith. I like Gamma's responses over the past couple of pages and I think she's probably town-
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In post 169, Black wrote:In post 91, Hu Tao wrote:
VOTE: gammaIn post 86, Gamma Emerald wrote: VOTE: kittiesecret
I don’t like the narration-esque manner of writing or the lack of any tangible content. Doesn’t feel like she actually gives a damn to solve.
Feels like pushing on a new person. They stated they were new, why not ask a specific question if you're worried she's not trying to solve?
This case on gamma is just bad. Asking questions is like the easiest thing for scum to do so I'm not sure why gamma not asking questions is scum indicativeIn post 92, Hu Tao wrote:
This is the response I'd expect from gamma if she's town. I've seen gamma ask lots of questions before so I know she's capable, so she could be scum hereIn post 87, Thomith wrote:
Hey!In post 85, Kittiesecret wrote: Good evening!
I just finished catching up, and there was a lot of things said with out a lot of things being said.
I am new I only have one game under my belt. And I don't have any day one reads on any one yet.
What do you think of Hu Tao's questioning of me?
What do you think of my responses to that questioning?
What do you think of how Black has been posting so far?
What do you think of Arko's read list? Do you agree?
I'm starting to think Hu could definitely be scum here but I can't rule out bad/inaccurate town-
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Looking forward to it ~In post 174, Kittiesecret wrote: Good afternoon,
Popping into skim on my lunch break. I have no where to be this evening. I'll be back later with my thoughts to date.
And Thom, I'll answer your other questions then too.-
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I don't like Black's 180 on me. Seems like omgus. Unless they are known for being defensive in this way?-
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No, but having me as your top town read and flipping it because I see someone's meta case makes no senseIn post 185, Black wrote:
Oh my bad, I must have missed the memo where e-2 was suddenly enough to fade someoneIn post 178, Hu Tao wrote: You already are E-2 why would it need my help to Elim you? This seems overly defensive for no reason
I think I made it pretty clear that I don't think Arko's case should be convincing anyone that I'm scum, which is why your 158 gives me major pause. I'm not sure why you interpret that as omgus when the progression is very transparentIn post 182, Hu Tao wrote: I don't like Black's 180 on me. Seems like omgus. Unless they are known for being defensive in this way?
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Okay I'll keep that in mindIn post 189, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Pretty sure that’s how she is. I know she got into it with Alisae in open 891 as townIn post 182, Hu Tao wrote: I don't like Black's 180 on me. Seems like omgus. Unless they are known for being defensive in this way?-
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Who said it 100% convinced me? I stated I could see it. Seems like it's being blown out of proportion for someone I'm not even votingIn post 191, Testarossa wrote: So basically no one is really townreading Black, besides maybe Thom (if not for his paranoia), while some people seem to be vulturing above her, yet no one really wants to commit to push her to E-1 because... why?
At least I don't feel she is getting bussed here in a scum world. If town, it's a bit more difficult as I might need to review some reads.
Hu Tao's 158 and 182 ping me a bit in a negative way. Would still lean rather town, but it regressed at least. Might you explain what convinced you so much in Arko's meta case?
Also I don't think Black/Gamma is a team.-
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I'm fine with voting Naerys btwIn post 200, Black wrote: It's a little frustrating that the wagon on me consists of a Testa RVS vote that originally put me to e-1, a Naerys pressure vote based on the fact that I'm not trying to find scum (???), and an Arko tunnel that probably has something to do with the fact that I burned him as scum the last time we played together. Yet none of these players seem interested in engaging with me or asking me questions to try and sort me
It hasn't really been a fun game so far but I'm gonna keep doing my thing and sharing my thoughts and reads-
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Actually I'm fine with going there now
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Okay maybe I misunderstoodIn post 216, Black wrote:
My reads are typically very fluid at the beginning of games. Regardless, I said you lost a few town points so I'm not sure why you're interpreting that as me flipping my read on youIn post 208, Hu Tao wrote:
No, but having me as your top town read and flipping it because I see someone's meta case makes no senseIn post 185, Black wrote:
Oh my bad, I must have missed the memo where e-2 was suddenly enough to fade someoneIn post 178, Hu Tao wrote: You already are E-2 why would it need my help to Elim you? This seems overly defensive for no reason
I think I made it pretty clear that I don't think Arko's case should be convincing anyone that I'm scum, which is why your 158 gives me major pause. I'm not sure why you interpret that as omgus when the progression is very transparentIn post 182, Hu Tao wrote: I don't like Black's 180 on me. Seems like omgus. Unless they are known for being defensive in this way?
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I usually don't do team reads. Its mostly gamma was who I scumread at the time and I thought you'd be 2nd on my scum read listIn post 217, Black wrote:
Why do you think me and Gamma could be paired?In post 210, Hu Tao wrote:
Who said it 100% convinced me? I stated I could see it. Seems like it's being blown out of proportion for someone I'm not even votingIn post 191, Testarossa wrote: So basically no one is really townreading Black, besides maybe Thom (if not for his paranoia), while some people seem to be vulturing above her, yet no one really wants to commit to push her to E-1 because... why?
At least I don't feel she is getting bussed here in a scum world. If town, it's a bit more difficult as I might need to review some reads.
Hu Tao's 158 and 182 ping me a bit in a negative way. Would still lean rather town, but it regressed at least. Might you explain what convinced you so much in Arko's meta case?
Also I don't think Black/Gamma is a team.-
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I'm a softie for ATE at times.-
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I've also felt this way before so I could see it coming from town you.In post 200, Black wrote: It's a little frustrating that the wagon on me consists of a Testa RVS vote that originally put me to e-1, a Naerys pressure vote based on the fact that I'm not trying to find scum (???), and an Arko tunnel that probably has something to do with the fact that I burned him as scum the last time we played together. Yet none of these players seem interested in engaging with me or asking me questions to try and sort me
It hasn't really been a fun game so far but I'm gonna keep doing my thing and sharing my thoughts and reads-
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Thus why I'm asking about Naerys. Thoughts there?-
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Kitties catch up was basically about me talking about the E-1 but that wasn't really my focus on my questions on the time. Not sure if she misunderstood or what-
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I agree that kitties post was not that great.In post 234, Testarossa wrote: Kitties post wasn't that exciting to me, it gave more the vibes Arko's first readlist had to me with being kind of vague on most people. I don't get in contrast to that this hard scumread on Gamma.
Gamma's case feels a bit oldschool and I also think she has some points. Her energy for doubling down on Kittie here feels townie imo.
I don't get this though. Why would you bother to please her or what do you mean with it?In post 206, Gamma Emerald wrote: You seem impossible to please atm. Despite openly admitting to faking your reaction, you still find an excuse to keep pushing me.-
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Seconded on this. Seemed like she planned to ATE me possibly but reacted to other votes instead.In post 253, Gamma Emerald wrote:
What did you mean by this?In post 231, Naerys wrote: I will just bite your head off later, Hu tao-
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What was my case? I don't think I posted one-
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In post 286, Black wrote: I liked my chances of reading Klick a lot more-
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I'm living in America. So Thanksgiving/Black Friday stuff has had me not as active.In post 299, Black wrote:Hey I've been wondering something
At the beginning of this game you were way more active and verbose than I've ever seen you before. Naerys actually pointed this out in 49 and you said you were on vacation for the past few weeks and couldn't say as much, but even in games before that I don't remember you trying this hard. Mini Normal 2313 comes to mind here, along with a few other examples I looked through. If you had to pinpoint a reason why then what would you say caused this? To be clear I'm not suggesting you're scum because of this, I haven't really had a chance to look at any of your scum games, but I'm genuinely curious if there is anything that could be attributed to this behavior-
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I feel like I wasn't as active only like 3 days now-
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Unless you're saying I'm never active besides the beginning of this game? I can post games of me very active if I need to, but don't get the point.-
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It could be because this is a micro and it's easier to post a lot since there isn't as much to catch up on? Not sure. I know in large games I get overwhelmed and can't post as much since I get drowned in posts.-
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If you're talking about last game, Aureal pushed me toward killing you over gamma in the neighborhood which was thankfully the right play-
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