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[KawaiiKame]

Meta this, meta that, have you ever meta girl before?

VOTE: KawaiiKame

VOTE: Black

[KawaiiKame]

It's one of those games I guess
VOTE: nono

one of those games? As in random voting?

[KawaiiKame]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

I don't really think I deserve a TR either

No one does

[KawaiiKame]

Anyone want to start a wagon?

VOTE: Duunstral
Voting the miller

[KawaiiKame]

Keyleth's logbook entry 5446: They're onto me. Act natural add more emojis.

Quote has no relevance

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

Is this happening? Drawing attention to no voting isn't scum
Any observation is valid to make on any side

[KawaiiKame]

VOTE: Nono

Why Nono?

[KawaiiKame]

Hieeee...

VOTE: Black since you are the only player I know

Have you considered voting a non-town?

Why is Black town?

[KawaiiKame]

Elements you have 13 posts on this page. Can you chill

I did pre-emptively apologise

Why is your plan to spam the thread with a bunch of nothing posts?

I feel you're being too dismissive of Elemental's posts, she's asked,

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

Defended you as town
Apologized for her playstyle

Constantly vote switching is confusing, I want to know why she switched to Nono, any explanation/elabaration is good
Even if it's "spam" she's observing, questioning, defending

[KawaiiKame]

VOTE: Nono

Why Nono?

To see if the null vote is to do with kyouko or nono

VOTE: nono

VOTE: Guillotina

Kyouko voted Nono then voted Guilotina, nulling her Nono vote

[KawaiiKame]

Elements you have 13 posts on this page. Can you chill

I did pre-emptively apologise

Why is your plan to spam the thread with a bunch of nothing posts?

I feel you're being too dismissive of Elemental's posts, she's asked,

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

Defended you as town
Apologized for her playstyle

Constantly vote switching is confusing, I want to know why she switched to Nono, any explanation/elabaration is good
Even if it's "spam" she's observing, questioning, defending

At the time I had counted 9 relevant posts and 10 spammy ones. That's a lot of posts for two pages. Elements said she's bored with no impulse control so I'm just gonna let her do her thang

I was surprised with the flurry of posts too, definitely got activity up. I will let her be too

[KawaiiKame]

Keyleth's logbook entry 5446: They're onto me. Act natural add more emojis.

Quote has no relevance

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

Is this happening? Drawing attention to no voting isn't scum
Any observation is valid to make on any side

The quote was relevant
It was a jesty attempt to keyleth to vote

You said the quote has no relevance. I feel keyleth is saying pure banter

[KawaiiKame]

VT

I understand why people claim miller early on, but why throw out a VT claim on page 1? I'm coming to this site mostly from a background where claiming was against the rules, so I would love to hear how claiming this helps the town.

It's definitely weird, I was confused seeing it too
My guess is the claim is purely out of self-preservation
Idk why else Hu Tao will claim VT in the opening

[KawaiiKame]

Keyleth's logbook entry 5446: They're onto me. Act natural add more emojis.

Quote has no relevance

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

Is this happening? Drawing attention to no voting isn't scum
Any observation is valid to make on any side

The quote was relevant
It was a jesty attempt to keyleth to vote

Am I missing something? Who was attempting to have keyleth vote?

[KawaiiKame]

I was confused by the VC as well but it looks like Jingle put my first vote onto nono, striked it out to indicate I moved my vote, and put my current vote on Guillotina. I have a vote

How do you feel with voting millers in this game?

[KawaiiKame]

Keyleth's logbook entry 5446: They're onto me. Act natural add more emojis.

Quote has no relevance

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

Is this happening? Drawing attention to no voting isn't scum
Any observation is valid to make on any side

The quote was relevant
It was a jesty attempt to keyleth to vote

Am I missing something? Who was attempting to have keyleth vote?

The idea was to play along with the 'oh no they've caught me" joke
I say something key is doing is scummy then then make note 54456 or whichever number it is and vote someone

So your plan was to have Keyleth play along with the joke with a vote?
Keyleth not voting here means nothing, "They're onto me." does not need a vote

[KawaiiKame]

pedit: I'm a miller so I don't feel like voting millers lmao

Makes sense out of self interest, who should we vote instead? Millers feel like the best option rn

[KawaiiKame]

I'm fully aware Keyleth not voting here means nothing

How does this relate to,

Keyleth's logbook entry 5446: They're onto me. Act natural add more emojis.

Quote has no relevance

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

[KawaiiKame]

It's been awhile, remind me why voting millers is the best option?

Slight chance mafia fakeclaims miller
They're guilty if investigated
If telling the truth, miller
If lying, mafia

[KawaiiKame]

Think Elements in 46

(or 45, fucking 0 index arrays on post number but 1 indexed in quote tags for some reason? Thanks BBCode)

is saying the inner quote in 28 has no relevance so it was snipped. Then asking does anyone else think it's scum-indicative when someone isn't voting

Elements doesn't assert it's scum-indicative, just asks

"does anyone else think"
Asking if anyone else thinks something implies they also think the same thing, she's asking if anyone else shares her thoughts
Least that's how I'm interpreting the question

[KawaiiKame]

I'm fully aware Keyleth not voting here means nothing

How does this relate to,

Keyleth's logbook entry 5446: They're onto me. Act natural add more emojis.

Quote has no relevance

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

I can try explain it, it won't help with the game though

Go ahead, I'm invested

[KawaiiKame]

From what I gathered, Miller claims are pretty controversial. Scum could claim this early in order to deter any potential investigative roles from targeting them, so people generally aren't a big fan of these claims

Do you feel Duun/Kyouko will fakeclaim miller as mafia?

[KawaiiKame]

The aim of 46 was to get Keyleth to vote someone
The quote was relevant
The "quote is not relevant" was to distance from the quoted joke so Keyleth could continue with it if desired
I was implying I was of the opinion that people nit voting is scummy
I do not actually think people not voting is scummy

Hopefully this clears up the post enough that we can move on from an unhelpful discussion about why my brain does things

It does, thank you
What are your thoughts now?

[KawaiiKame]

I'm not sure. Dunn's claim felt like a joke with it being the first post of the game. Kyouko's feels more real but I'm not familiar enough with her to tell if it's coming from scum

I feel Duun's claim is genuine, millers often claim miller in their opening posts. Duun's miller claim feels straight up, unlikely that mafia plays this directly. Kyouko feels real/potentially opportunistic, shielding herself behind the initial miller claim if she is mafia

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

[KawaiiKame]

I'm not sure. Dunn's claim felt like a joke with it being the first post of the game. Kyouko's feels more real but I'm not familiar enough with her to tell if it's coming from scum

I feel Duun's claim is genuine, millers often claim miller in their opening posts. Duun's miller claim feels straight up, unlikely that mafia plays this directly. Kyouko feels real/potentially opportunistic, shielding herself behind the initial miller claim if she is mafia

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

Oh very smart, Dunn is town because he got to the thread first, I see

Okay yeah, the time you got to the thread is circumstantial and does not implicate you, it's unfair to vote you for that alone.

[KawaiiKame]

UNVOTE:

[KawaiiKame]

UNVOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

[KawaiiKame]

When I saw Dunn had already claimed Miller I was briefly inclined not to claim even though before opening the daystart PM I was planning to claim.

I decided against that though, I dont see how hiding it does any good. If it's a traitor game with a Mafia Cop it helps them find the traitor but also makes town wary of a traitor early.

If it's not a traitor game, town cops dont waste investigations and I'll be judged on my day play and not on my claim. I'm more than fine with that outcome.

This makes perfect sense, happy you did since it benefits town. You're playing well

[KawaiiKame]

I'm not, I played with Enchant b4 tho

[KawaiiKame]

I'm too late to be the first one to bring up that questioning Elements over apparently getting Dunn and me confused seems pretty nit picky. To me jumping on a "slip" is scum more often than town. Not enough to make a read from but worth remembering.

Who jumped in on this "slip"?

[KawaiiKame]

Elements feels way too scattershot to be mafia, her confusion feels like lost town. The explanations to Kyouko's questions make sense, I see why Elements was thinking the way she did

Kyouko's initial defense of why she claimed Miller combined with her questioning Elements feels inquisitive town to me. What she asks feels like genuine curiosity of who Elements townreads and why,

Specifically what I'm trying to comprehend is who did you townread in 39, so I can look back at that player and figure out why you were TRing them at that point. If I cant figure that out I plan to come back to you about it. And if it was Dunnstral you TRed in 39, I'm wondering how you got from TR in 39 to voting him for miller claim in 40

[KawaiiKame]

Not on you necessarily, but interestingly enough it's piqued my scumdar on Gamma. I guess what it does for you is confirms you're still in your NAI range fmpov.

Need more time to think on this though, I'm rushing to phone post. Bbl.

How exactly?

I feel like you like to be "around" but not "driving" when you're scum, not that you often "drive" as town either, but when Dunnstral and you started pressing on Elements about 39 and 40 it felt like that - that is to say, being "around" without "driving". It's a vibe at this point.

Do you mean being present but not advancing?

[KawaiiKame]

Do you mean letting someone else advance it and push it along?

[KawaiiKame]

Maybe it's to paint Elements as a scapegoat, outside of that it does not seem Gamma is scum based on how you described her scum style
Why did Gamma's questioning peak your scumdar?
pedit: So you feel she's letting you push in the direction of Elements?

[KawaiiKame]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

Why not the same amount of puzzlement at both?

I like this
You can be town too, for now

Oh I had the opposite reaction to the Dave post how interesting!

You feel Dave isn't town?

[KawaiiKame]

Gamma you've still got your rvs vote on me, why?

haven’t felt a need to move it
VOTE: KawaiiKame
They pinged me somewhat with how they unvoted kyouko, not strongly though

What pinged you with how I unvoted kyouko?

[KawaiiKame]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

Why not the same amount of puzzlement at both?

I like this
You can be town too, for now

Oh I had the opposite reaction to the Dave post how interesting!

You feel Dave isn't town?

That wasn't what I was saying, no. That isn't how I play. I just kind of shrugged and went huh, so someone calling it really towny made me go like 'oh wow'

Ah so null instead of town, makes sense

[KawaiiKame]

I have thoughts but I rarely take time to order my thoughts on everyone
I will say Guillo seems pretty towny rn

What are your thoughts on everyone?

[KawaiiKame]

I think this claim is scum trying to get info. From experience as partner with Hu Tao it feels very likely.

Do you mean Hu Tao as scum is gaining info with this claim? If so, what info can be gained?

[KawaiiKame]

I wanted to claim VT in the beginning so scum wouldn't target me. I guess I need to work on being townier when I do that

In my experience vts aren't usually claimed out the gate

[KawaiiKame]

I think both dave and Gamma make sense as partners to Keyleth

VOTE: Keyleth
Feel Key is the best flip in finding potential association

[KawaiiKame]

I'm vt, don't hammer me yet

[KawaiiKame]

Not on you necessarily, but interestingly enough it's piqued my scumdar on Gamma. I guess what it does for you is confirms you're still in your NAI range fmpov.

Need more time to think on this though, I'm rushing to phone post. Bbl.

How exactly?

I feel like you like to be "around" but not "driving" when you're scum, not that you often "drive" as town either, but when Dunnstral and you started pressing on Elements about 39 and 40 it felt like that - that is to say, being "around" without "driving". It's a vibe at this point.

Pretty sure you’ve got it backwards to a degree. I think I like being in control more as scum. I am more likely play a support role as town.

This is not a great situation to be in when I am having a borderline mental breakdown from work already

This makes me even more confident that Gamma/Key is a pair. No one is even voting for Gamma iirc yet she thinks this is a bad situation?

(Outside of game talk I do hope you feel better gamma. Maybe take a step away from the game if you need to <3)

this is actually a towntell of mine
Normally town!me gets incredibly flustered under medium pressure. Light pressure I can play past and heavy pressure I can analyze, but medium pressure just ratchets up my anxiety. As scum, I can cope better since I at least act as a distraction of sorts.

I feel Gamma is pretty concerned with optics this game, highlighting her town vs. scum play
My top towns are Black and Kyouko. Black's play feels in line with her town play, especially connecting Guili/Kyouko

VOTE: Guillotina

I think there's partner equity in Guillotina/kyouko

Guillotina said she would support a kyouko wagon but jumped off less than 30 minutes later, right after Elements and I joined. I don't think the Celebloki vote was a very good reason to suddenly end their support and having Celebloki at the bottom of their preliminary reads in 310 feels like a performative justification for voting there rather than an actual read

In both 293 and 377 they made sure to include that they weren't voting for the same reason as the person they were sheeping which feels like scum that might be trying to flaunt that their read is unique and different

I think the questions from Guillotina are like...ok, but nothing scum couldn't come up with in an attempt to seem townie, and I think the interpretation in 374 is really odd and it just feels like unnecessary shade towards Timmer

My opinion on Kyouko is constantly shifting but purely based on interaction/flow I feel Kyouko is town

[KawaiiKame]

640 bothered me because it was so "mediator-ish" without really adding anything thoughtful. I think we could all see both sides, even if personally we would agree with Gamma or with BQ2: Electric Boogaloo. I don't think it's hard to see that Gamma felt the behavior was manipulative and also that BQ2 did not mean it in that way (or at least says he didn't, which feeds more into it feeling manipulative to Gamma)
And it felt like he had not posted in a while so I went back to see when he posted last and what happened.

So since it's apparent what the situation is, why post at all? 640 feels like a long post about... nothing.

And I didnt remember dave posting recently so I thought "hmm, I'm going to go back and check what has happened between 640 and the last time dave posted because that seems like a scummy "I'm not lurking" post to me. So I did... and while checking when he last posted I read Dave's ISO. It's mostly shading Keyleth, but not trying to start any pressure directly on her.

I think dave is slitherin' rn
VOTE: davesaz

This is the post that convinced Kyouko of being town

[KawaiiKame]

I feel like Gamma often gets accused of being worried about optics

I feel it's Gamma's playstyle which is why I held off on saying anything on it, it's something to be mindful of though

[KawaiiKame]

KK, any scumreads, leans, pings, on anyone aside from Gamma?

Guillotina, feels ingratiating into town, like slipping in,

Black could be town here. Never seen her as scum before but she seems towny

Agreed, Black is obvious town in my opinion.

They suspect me based on my playstyle which is what town usually do.

If they townread me right away that'd be a read flag.

This was scum!Guillotina's defense in CTC iirc

I mimic my town play in scum games with great accuracy, maybe that is why. You keep bringing up a game where I led a misyeet on you that I don't remember, I'm sorry I gave you PTSD, but I think you should move on and judge me based on my content here in this game rather than memories of pain from the past in you are town.

[KawaiiKame]

KK kinda feels like scum that's given up and doesn't want to out anything else to be used for associations to me, I'd wait maybe 10 minutes to see if he has any other reads before hammering

I've been reading this game semi actively and I feel I have 0 thoughts to contribute, like I'm eternally conflicted in this game and Idk why
Pressing Gamma didn't feel fair today, you and Black feel like the most active town, I don't really have anyone to go after
There were multiple points in time I intended to jump in but all I've done is think without action
If me getting out advances the game I'm down to be eliminated, hopefully it helps