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[gob]

test test

[gob]

What's going on? Who should I vote?

Can someone recap me

[gob]

okay camel why did you just ignore me.

[gob]

VOTE: Save The Dragons

[gob]

Who is confirmed town?

I should be able to solve the game based on everything we have so far so let me try.

[gob]

Ah never mind, I will be able to find some mafia but not solve since it's mutliball.

[gob]

Anyone have links to the Day 1 and Day 2 vote counts?

[gob]

Day 1 VC 16:
iamveryhappy (12 [HAMMERED]): Cat Scratch Fever, TemporalLich, ZZZX, furtiveglance, Save The Dragons, Aisa, BBmolla, davesaz, Flavor Leaf, camelCasedSnivy, Doctor Drew, Naerys
ZZZX (3): the worst, Random Nurse, pisskop
Cat Scratch Fever (3): Shrek, Klazam, Hu Tao
BBMolla (1): Psyche
Psyche (1): JacksonVirgo
Hu Tao (1): bob3141
JacksonVirgo (1): iamveryhappy
the worst (1): shaddowez
Not voting (0):

Given that the ZZZX wagon was once the top and a viable wagon, I think ZZZX needs to be sorted immediately. Unless ZZZX is confirmed town mechanically we need to lynch that slot.
In retrospect I think there are 1-2 wolves of each team on the iamhappy wagon. Then the rest of the wolves are hiding in the 1-vote wagons.

Day 2 VC 7:

Psyche (11 [ELIMINATED]): Random Nurse, pisskop, JacksonVirgo, furtiveglance, Naerys, TemporalLich, bob3141, davesaz, Hu Tao, camelCasedSnivy, Save the Dragons
Hu Tao (6): Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst, Flavor Leaf, Psyche
the worst (1): Shrek

Not voting (2): ZZZX, shaddowez

There are mafia on Psyche's wagon again, as they were town and I doubt all maf are on hu or the worst. Hu Tao's slot also needs to be checked like ZZZX.

there are a lot of replacements but it looks like Save The Dragons, Naerys, ZZZX, TemporalLich, furtiveglance, davesaz, camel are all the people who were on both wagons.

The townies among you must know that you've been entirely misled this entire game (two townies were lynched Day 1 and 2 and nobody is checking the C-wagons that had actual potential). Among the names I listed there are probably 2-3 mafia members from either team.

[gob]

I would like to lynch Hu Tao, I don't like how they jumped on Cat Scratch Fever last thing Day 1 (assuming the VCs listed are in order).

Can someone elaborate on Save The Dragon's vote progression from ZZZX -> veryhappy day 1?

The way things are smelling I am not sure STD is a mafia.

[gob]

LOL Hu Tao died. Sorry guys I didn't read Day 3's VC yet.

[gob]

Okay I have changed my mind.

Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst,

I think we lynch in between these people today.

[gob]

I havent done much with VCA yet. It works best if we can have a significant flip to work off of.

multiball just mucks it up

I think the way to play it is that there are two wagons basically.

I feel like Flavor and Hu Tao both being killed really implies both wagons had mafia on them. Mafia usually doesn't want to kill on the wagon they just voted on because it puts them in a smaller PoE.

[gob]

I love replacing into games

[gob]

Okay I have changed my mind.

Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst,

I think we lynch in between these people today.

Nope sorry, i am not joining that

Why Not?

[gob]

Okay I have changed my mind.

Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst,

I think we lynch in between these people today.

Nope sorry, i am not joining that

Why Not?

i have ppl i suspect more than those

Like who? You seem awfully adverse to looking at other people.

[gob]

Okay I have changed my mind.

Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst,

I think we lynch in between these people today.

Nope sorry, i am not joining that

Why Not?

i have ppl i suspect more than those

Like who? You seem awfully adverse to looking at other people.

me not looking at other pp? thats blatant lie
Std, Snivy,you,JV,

Is that who are you suspecting? I am just saying you shut down my idea super fast.

[gob]

Okay well I am okay with voting Save the Dragons but the way the vote count is right now doesn't seem right.

[gob]

Thanks for replacing in gob

Okay I have changed my mind.

Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst,

I think we lynch in between these people today.

Explain how you got here from 5202?

Spoiler:

There are mafia on Psyche's wagon again, as they were town and I doubt all maf are on hu or the worst. Hu Tao's slot also needs to be checked like ZZZX.

there are a lot of replacements but it looks like Save The Dragons, Naerys, ZZZX, TemporalLich, furtiveglance, davesaz, camel are all the people who were on both wagons.

The townies among you must know that you've been entirely misled this entire game (two townies were lynched Day 1 and 2 and nobody is checking the C-wagons that had actual potential). Among the names I listed there are probably 2-3 mafia members from either team.

It seems like you think people on Hu Tao wagon yesterday were scummier than the Psyche wagon, why?

I think both wagons had wolves, but the second one of Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst seems like it has at least 1 maybe 2 wolves so its a safer bet as PoE.

[gob]

Idk why Naerys has had it out for me

[gob]

Is Davesaz inactive?

[gob]

Thanks for replacing in gob

Okay I have changed my mind.

Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst,

I think we lynch in between these people today.

Explain how you got here from 5202?

Spoiler:

There are mafia on Psyche's wagon again, as they were town and I doubt all maf are on hu or the worst. Hu Tao's slot also needs to be checked like ZZZX.

there are a lot of replacements but it looks like Save The Dragons, Naerys, ZZZX, TemporalLich, furtiveglance, davesaz, camel are all the people who were on both wagons.

The townies among you must know that you've been entirely misled this entire game (two townies were lynched Day 1 and 2 and nobody is checking the C-wagons that had actual potential). Among the names I listed there are probably 2-3 mafia members from either team.

It seems like you think people on Hu Tao wagon yesterday were scummier than the Psyche wagon, why?

I think both wagons had wolves, but the second one of Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst seems like it has at least 1 maybe 2 wolves so its a safer bet as PoE.

Ok. But why does it seem like the second wagon had at least 1 or 2 wolves?

Because Flavor and Psyche died and were both town. And mechanically there is most likely one wolf on that c-wagon, unless you want to argue that it's pure.

[gob]

Thanks for replacing in gob

Okay I have changed my mind.

Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst,

I think we lynch in between these people today.

Explain how you got here from 5202?

Spoiler:

There are mafia on Psyche's wagon again, as they were town and I doubt all maf are on hu or the worst. Hu Tao's slot also needs to be checked like ZZZX.

there are a lot of replacements but it looks like Save The Dragons, Naerys, ZZZX, TemporalLich, furtiveglance, davesaz, camel are all the people who were on both wagons.

The townies among you must know that you've been entirely misled this entire game (two townies were lynched Day 1 and 2 and nobody is checking the C-wagons that had actual potential). Among the names I listed there are probably 2-3 mafia members from either team.

It seems like you think people on Hu Tao wagon yesterday were scummier than the Psyche wagon, why?

I think both wagons had wolves, but the second one of Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst seems like it has at least 1 maybe 2 wolves so its a safer bet as PoE.

Ok. But why does it seem like the second wagon had at least 1 or 2 wolves?

Because Flavor and Psyche died and were both town. And mechanically there is most likely one wolf on that c-wagon, unless you want to argue that it's pure.

I am asking why you think that "mechanically" there is one wolf on that wagon, or why you think it's unreasonable to argue that it's pure

It's not unreasonable but you'd have to make the argument. Most likely there is a wolf on the c-wagon since the main wagon was town and its unreasonable to think mafia would put all their eggs in one basket (all voting one person) and its even more unreasonable when you factor in multiple teams.

[gob]

Thanks for replacing in gob

Okay I have changed my mind.

Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst,

I think we lynch in between these people today.

Explain how you got here from 5202?

Spoiler:

There are mafia on Psyche's wagon again, as they were town and I doubt all maf are on hu or the worst. Hu Tao's slot also needs to be checked like ZZZX.

there are a lot of replacements but it looks like Save The Dragons, Naerys, ZZZX, TemporalLich, furtiveglance, davesaz, camel are all the people who were on both wagons.

The townies among you must know that you've been entirely misled this entire game (two townies were lynched Day 1 and 2 and nobody is checking the C-wagons that had actual potential). Among the names I listed there are probably 2-3 mafia members from either team.

It seems like you think people on Hu Tao wagon yesterday were scummier than the Psyche wagon, why?

I think both wagons had wolves, but the second one of Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst seems like it has at least 1 maybe 2 wolves so its a safer bet as PoE.

By safer you just mean smaller?

I think others were on Hu Tao and moved off to join psyche so the PoE of people who were on Hu Tao is actually larger than what it might seem just going off the VCs

Do you not think that 4 has a wolf or 2?

[gob]

VOTE: STD

Dave is still scum

woah woah woah, why STD over DAve then?

[gob]

VOTE: STD

Dave is still scum

woah woah woah, why STD over DAve then?

We're not really consolidating and I'd rather get more flips at this point.

People seem averse to Dave despite his attempts to get eliminated

Doesnt that suggest its Dave over STD because there is more resistance?

Is Davesaz inactive?

Are you oblivious?

Why are you on Randon Nurse? Are you gonna switch to STD if you are in danger?

[gob]

You know what.

I just grant my vote to gob

Can't go worse.

You're giving me your vote? lol why

[gob]

Anyone remember why ZZZX's initial wagon on d1 disappeared?
By VCs alone iavh as a counter to zzzx makes sense. Not sure I want to sift through 100 pages that blew by too fast to remember it all.
Enchant (the slot formerly known as zzzx) is active, but are they solving?

I also found this weird.

There seem to be a few players in this game who like VCA or wagonomics. Sorry bob for lumping them in together, I don't completely understand the difference. For that matter, I don't really understand VCA. This makes it hard to engage with players when they say "VCA is the reason for my read". That could be true, that could be false, I would not know the difference.

But if there's anyone out there who likes VCA and is also very patient and can deal with all my questions I think it would be interesting to talk about it

In completely unrelated news:
VOTE: gob
None of the current three major wagons inspire me sorry

I am willing to answer your questions related to VCA. Basically it all comes down to the idea that mislunch wagon's have at least one wolf on them, and you can pin the entire wolf team through their votes. Because at the end of the day, the wolves

have

to vote a certain way to win (ie preserving enough of their team)

Though gob if you want to talk about how you're finding replacing into the game I'm down


...this seems like enough posting for today. Bye

Not sure what you're asking here

one of std and enchant is scum and im becoming more convinced its both

by what mechanism?

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Yea this is weird

[gob]

Yea this is weird

can't you see that your own wagon sucks to the point literally 200% of the people on it are scum

there are like 2 people voting me. You think Naerys and Aisa are scum?

[gob]

they're otherwise townreads but VCA says they're scummy so they're scummy

VCA is only a tool it isn't a damning thing

Completely disagree. Yea you need to make reads independent of VCA to get the most out of it, but VCA is pretty damning usually.

[gob]

that being said, I'd be okay with hopping on the davesaz wagon if only to end the day before the town gets more fractured

I liked what Davesaz has said just coming back. What makes him scummier than Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst and then Save The Dragons?

STD I am feeling a little better on because I think Davesaz is towny.

[gob]

I would like to vote BBmolla today if possible, would anyone like to join me on that wagon?

[gob]

People should look at enchant, gob, the worst, and ccs

this post is why I cannot scumread gob

If this wasn't multiball I could see this, but since there's two scum factions one SR's read shouldn't be a leading factor on another read.

i think we are just goign to have to pick between one of dave, camel and dragon as its day and half to teh deadline

i would go for either dave or camel, i think dragon is town and there claimed pr could have some use latter in game.

Its not liek town roleblock is even a great fake claim for scum as with drews flip it would be of been better to claim vt or another role e.g. vannilla cop. that way his faction could have fished for 2 pr/vannilla roles

I could go for StD or camel, so I feel like we should compromise on camel. I'm curious what you saw in 5288 that made you feel the wagon wasn't going anywhere.

Why didn't you vote yesterday Shaddowez?

And can you explain your Day 1 vote as well?

I would like to vote BBmolla today if possible, would anyone like to join me on that wagon?

Why molla? Why should we cancel our well made wagon and jump on somebody that was completely out of discussion?

Get back to me on molla actually. What do you think about a ZZZX or Shadowez vote?

[gob]

First day in more than a week that I haven't had to get up earlier than normal.

Question for gob, who is this ZZZX you're referring to?
Bob and Naerys, the quote pyramids are getting kinda high, maybe hilight and quote the most recent thing?

Camel non-voters, do you see something specific that leads to a townread? Especially anyone moving off camel.

Enchant (to be honest I did not know they replaced into that slot)

Get back to me on molla actually. What do you think about a ZZZX or Shadowez vote?

If you mean would i be willing to vote those two, then Enchant maybe, i dont like this slot very much and Enchant doesnt feel like adding much to the solving. Shadow feels like town.

What, elab your read on Shadow. I think they have a higher likelihood of being mafia than ZZZX, and they both did not vote yesterday. ZZZX's non-voting is more excusable too.

[gob]

You know nothing about me then

What do you think of Shadowez?

[gob]

You know nothing about me then

What do you think of Shadowez?

Who it is again

shaddowez

If you don't have an opinion then sheep mine. I think they're scum they didn't vote at all yesterday and day 1 they were off the main wagon as well. I think they're the "wolf off the wagon" in VCA terms. They've been posting recently btw.

[gob]

There seem to be a few players in this game who like VCA or wagonomics. Sorry bob for lumping them in together, I don't completely understand the difference. For that matter, I don't really understand VCA. This makes it hard to engage with players when they say "VCA is the reason for my read". That could be true, that could be false, I would not know the difference.

But if there's anyone out there who likes VCA and is also very patient and can deal with all my questions I think it would be interesting to talk about it

In completely unrelated news:
VOTE: gob
None of the current three major wagons inspire me sorry

I am willing to answer your questions related to VCA. Basically it all comes down to the idea that mislunch wagon's have at least one wolf on them, and you can pin the entire wolf team through their votes. Because at the end of the day, the wolves

have

to vote a certain way to win (ie preserving enough of their team)

Ooh, fun, thanks for taking me up on my request!
I guess I agree with the statement "wolves have to vote in certain ways to not lose the game". I guess I don't always agree with the conclusions people draw after that.

For example, I'm still not completely sure about the conclusions you've drawn from the final Day 2 VC:

Spoiler:

Day 2 VC 7:

Psyche (11 [ELIMINATED]): Random Nurse, pisskop, JacksonVirgo, furtiveglance, Naerys, TemporalLich, bob3141, davesaz, Hu Tao, camelCasedSnivy, Save the Dragons
Hu Tao (6): Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst, Flavor Leaf, Psyche
the worst (1): Shrek

Not voting (2): ZZZX, shaddowez

There are mafia on Psyche's wagon again, as they were town and I doubt all maf are on hu or the worst. Hu Tao's slot also needs to be checked like ZZZX.

there are a lot of replacements but it looks like Save The Dragons, Naerys, ZZZX, TemporalLich, furtiveglance, davesaz, camel are all the people who were on both wagons.

The townies among you must know that you've been entirely misled this entire game (two townies were lynched Day 1 and 2 and nobody is checking the C-wagons that had actual potential). Among the names I listed there are probably 2-3 mafia members from either team.

I get that you thought that not all mafia would be on Psyche. Outside the Psyche wagon, is there a reason you think mafia is more likely to be in the Hu Tao voters than in the slots that weren't voting at the end of the day?

I guess I'm also curious that you have fairly original reads - Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst - none of these are slots that look super likely to be today's elimination at this point, and you're not pushing them particularly strongly. Do you think you'll be able to get your preferred elimination today?

To be completely honest, I have never VCA'd in a multiball game before. I am still confident it works (people have done it before) though. I do think there is a wolf among the four I listed because of VCA. I can explain more in detail how it works, if you really want. Because it's more so a mechanical (as in, always 100% of the time no exceptions) way of playing the game, as in it's always correct. Now if mafia knows counter-play they can make a wide PoE off the wagons, or strategically bus etc, but the essence is that the conclusions from VCA are always correct. It' pulls away a lot from the game though, and I don't want to come off as patronizing. And I could always be totally wrong.

Anyway, I think right now shaddowez is almost certainly mafia. They were off the main wagons day 1, and they didn't even vote yesterday. I'll see what they have to say but this is one of those situations where it's like 100%. There is no possible explanation why someone would be off not voting Day 2 unless they had TMI and knew both top wagons were town.

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[...]
What do you think about a ZZZX or Shadowez vote?

Well ok I wanted to finish writing my post but while I was writing it I did notice you were hinting at scumreading some of the people who were not voting at the end of D2

Haven't even read that lol.

[gob]

If you don't have an opinion then sheep mine. I think they're scum they didn't vote at all yesterday and day 1 they were off the main wagon as well. I think they're the "wolf off the wagon" in VCA terms. They've been posting recently btw.

Taking a cue from one of Bob's points, you can get more from looking at a wagon dynamically than statically.
Did you look at Shaddowez's posts related to yesterday?

There are benefits to look at stuff statically as opposed to dynamically. It avoids you getting tricked by a deep wolf, for instance.

I haven't. What was going on with shaddowez? I'll read it if its worth reading

[gob]

Okay well if thats the case then it's different.

[gob]

Yea that is where I derived my read. They weren't voting at the EoD2. I haven't read anything from before I replaced in, to be frank. It would be useful if there was a way to see if someone was VLA'd for that votecount (like a * next to their name for every VC they are VLA'd for)

Is there anyone else who has been absent in EoD during this game?

[gob]

Hm, okay I see there are actually notes saying if someone is VLA. I apologize for being uh, over eager.

I think we can go back to the people who were on the mislaunches day 1 and 2.

day 1 Cat Scratch Fever, TemporalLich, ZZZX, furtiveglance, Save The Dragons, Aisa, BBmolla, davesaz, camelCasedSnivy, Naerys

This contains at least 3 maf in my opinion as explained before. I do think StD/davesaz hits one most likely (both wagons seem to be popular which indicates resistance on both). I did think davesaz sounded towny, and what we talked about regarding ZZZX, seemed to come from a towny place of belittlement (i guess you could say).

day 2 Random Nurse, pisskop, JacksonVirgo, furtiveglance, Naerys, TemporalLich, bob3141, davesaz, camelCasedSnivy, Save the Dragons

looking at this it leaves davesaz, StD, Lich, Naerys who were on both wagons.

Davesaz, what are your current reads in full?

[gob]

UNVOTE:

[gob]

Slow down everyone. There is still stuff that can be discussed.

[gob]

Std since start of day: my reads are dynamic and are changing throughout the day

Other players since start of day: std and anyone who defends him :frown:

What does this have to do with anything?

Like for God's sake RN has moved the goalposts to a different stadium

Which goalposts?

Remember when every third post in this thread was him saying "I know Stds meta he lurks as scum"

Yeah

Why are you still discussing meta? It's day 3.

Ccs lurks and no one bats an eye

You could always push them

[gob]

He's already voting ccs

Yea but a push is like a case against them.

[gob]

Save the Dragons you have to understand that the reason why people are voting you is because you were on the mislaunches of two townies. Yes enchant worst and whoever else are lurking and not providing much (i dont think cat scratch is doing much for instance) but they weren't on both the mislaunches.

So it's these combining things (mislaunches, PoE, self admitted lurking) all together.

[gob]

Slow down everyone. There is still stuff that can be discussed.

no there clearly isn't unless you're gob who is gamesolving when there is time pressure

What are you talking about? We're discussing stuff rn. Why do you want day to end early?

[gob]

we have less than 36 hours before the deadline, we need to consolidate ASAP

Okay that I can understand, you could have just said that instead of being snippy.

Is there really no room to shift the vote onto someone else with 36 hours left?

[gob]

We'd best start consolidating on one of the two main wagons or there will most likely be no elimination for Day 3.

I must say the gridlock is telling, and should be quite useful for Town in late-game analysis.

Quite telling how? I mean what does it tell us about specific players if it goes one way as opposed to the other?

[gob]

Oh stop being such a diva.

yea seriously. What is that insane AtE

[gob]

I'm not gonna power this until lategame if I'm still alive. Every time I log in there's 5-20 pages of absolute drivel and nobody ever changes their mind about anything. When I try to be persuasive I'm ignored because everyone's already made up their mind. Like this isn't a game of mafia it's a game of "lim random people for tenuous poorly-substantiated reasons and hope for the best". I'm not gonna argue with 20 people who have their heads in the clouds. If I'm still around to argue with 10 you'll get enough me for a lifetime but this is painful.

"Lurking" is a pretty piss-poor categorisation every time I'm here I'm producing content and trying to break the status quo.

Idk why I'm trying as hard as I am honestly

fair enough

your mindset is town

i dont think so.

[gob]

If STD flips town i blame gob which i gived vote.

What do you have to say for yourself?

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

im feelign one scum teams is mostly off teh dragon wagon. With how strongly obvous town nurse was pushing it. I could very much see scum sittting back

Okay but they can 'sit back' whilst still on the wagon.

[gob]

VOTE: davesaz

Enchant you gonna sheep this?

[gob]

Can we please vote davesaz today?

[gob]

I'm goin Dave over csf but if Dave is low energy scum I am uncertain why he's going for Enchant over csf rn

He's not even that low energy

[gob]

Enchant is weird... kinda, idk I don't really think they're that scummy. They draw a lot of attention to their voting, they also openly sheeped me (although that might've been some kind of play).
So I think they're town.

[gob]

Why are we not voting Dave?

[gob]

CSF might be scum with dave

[gob]

CSF might be scum with dave

You think both of them are scum together? What makes you think that?

lots of resistance on the CSF and dave wagons.

[gob]

Why are we not voting Dave?

read Naerys's scumcase on BBmolla starting at 5945

We cant just keep not voting the failing c-wagons everytime.

[gob]

hence why I want to see a VC or momentum before considering hopping wagons

momentum will only come if one of the mafia teams jumps on it.

the right wagon is going to be the one with the most resistance.

Isnt pisskop confirmed town? Lets just sheep them

[gob]

I would really like to go by the plan we decided on yesterday instead of switching it up now randomly.

Mafia only gained more control of the town so the new pushes are probably misses. As in BBMolla shouldnt he lynched today.

Lets go with Davesaz

[gob]

fuck faded

[gob]

Why pisskop confirmed town

r they not?

might be getting games mixed up

[gob]

sorry guys. Like ten years saying the l-word. Easy to forget. I wish there was an autoreolace type feature

[gob]

hence why I want to see a VC or momentum before considering hopping wagons

momentum will only come if one of the mafia teams jumps on it.

the right wagon is going to be the one with the most resistance.

Isnt pisskop confirmed town? Lets just sheep them

Confirmed Town based on what again?

nevermind

[gob]

And i dont think dave is scum either. Molla still makes the most sense to me. That said, if you wish to elim someone else, okay. I just dont think i will be able to move from molla, tbh.
Molla-the worst- enchant are my most sus rn. Compared to CSF and dave, they feel like a better eli target.

dave is like 100% mafia lol

[gob]

And i dont think dave is scum either. Molla still makes the most sense to me. That said, if you wish to elim someone else, okay. I just dont think i will be able to move from molla, tbh.
Molla-the worst- enchant are my most sus rn. Compared to CSF and dave, they feel like a better eli target.

dave is like 100% mafia lol

Reason? You are all saying that but how about making a case then?

They have had serious resistance on their wagons day 1 and now today.

I am willing to hear out someone else though but generally you vote the counter wagon from yesterday if main flipped town and the counter wagon had resistance on it

[gob]

I am done blindly following. There is too much of “they are scum” and others hopping on blindly happening. Try to make some cases folks. Like some seriously taken cases. Its time to put some effort, townies. Or scum will play us like a fiddle

+1

-1

so naerys’ post is at 0

[gob]

I am done blindly following. There is too much of “they are scum” and others hopping on blindly happening. Try to make some cases folks. Like some seriously taken cases. Its time to put some effort, townies. Or scum will play us like a fiddle

Scum can create cases too. We need to go after what we actually know, which we can see from the vote counts.

[gob]

BBmola is scum as well with all this AtE

[gob]

bbmolla and dave is prob maf v maf

[gob]

Who did Naerys want to kill again?

If it was BBmola then they could be team with dave.

So we go Dave here today because more resistance than BB over the whole game. in my opinion.

But BBmola is pretty scummy with all the AtE

[gob]

dead serious, don't dodge

im dodging the question just because you said this stupid shit. Dont play with me.

[gob]

answer gob don't dodge

stfu seriously. What kinda tone are you taking against me lol

[gob]

Im not answering it because youre being a shitter

[gob]

its a stupid waste of time question too lol. Come up with something more interesting. Obviously I think your AtE is scummy, thats why i said it you goof.

Yea in general AtE may not be scummy because AtE is a very broad thing.

Now dont waste my precious time with your silly questions because youre probably scum

[gob]

your questions are bad regardless of your alignment. I would never repeat the play youre doing right now in future games

[gob]

CSF's towniness under pressure doesn't make bad VCA not bad VCA

what was bad about their VCA?

[gob]

CSF's towniness under pressure doesn't make bad VCA not bad VCA

what was bad about their VCA?

she was on the Hu Tao wagon for all of Day 2, and seems to be an opportunistic voter

isnt that just bad voting not bad VCA?

[gob]

i like naerys to a certain extent

naerys why not davesaz? you said they were towny or something right?

convince me i am listening. if you don’t convince me, then vote with me

[gob]

Nurse and Lich are scum for hopping on Naerys

Davesaz is still also scum.

Can we get these people or nah? If its nah then my hands will be forced

[gob]

wdym by last line?

Also have you ever played with Random Nurse as either alignment? This is really town indicative for him to play like this.

Do they? Okay.What about Davesaz dragoneater? ive been meaning to ask you bout em

what do you think of the resistance against their wagon??

[gob]

There's been almost no resistance?

You dont think there was resistanxe when the wagon died twice this game? Or are you just referring to today

[gob]

VOTE: enchant this is lowkey vindicating

lets hear why

[gob]

You dont think there was resistanxe when the wagon died twice this game? Or are you just referring to today

Referring to today.

I only read things from page 248 onward + What happened when STD got pushed + a bit of CSF ISO.

Can you point me to where there was resistance to the wagon previously? I.E. page numbers?

I mean resistance as in the wagon dying itself. Getting to top wagon then dying, that sort of stuff. Stuff that implies mafia got people off the wagon or got off it themselves. I only just replaced in myself but i think clearly there was resistance against Dave day 1, and then yesterday there was a lot as well.

Also, frankly I kind of find dave's posts to feel disconnected. It's like he 'solves' the parts of the games he can and doesn't touch the other parts.

[gob]

VOTE: enchant this is lowkey vindicating

lets hear why

votes are finally gluing to a slot that is just not doing anything which resembles towniness! i've been yelling for elimination in a pool which included enchant for aaaages

like yes, i was wrong about csf, i think that's likely the deepest scum that team had. we have so many hella sketchy slots and the fact enchant looked aligned with skilled flip scum is so exhilarating to me.

What about enchant doesn't resemble towniess?

[gob]

I am not sure what everyone sees in Enchant that I do not. Can someone explain why Enchant's votes are bad?

Dave seems locked to me.

DragonEater I will keep an eye on throughout this End of day.

[gob]

no don't end the day early, wait for davesaz

[gob]

Dave seems locked to me.

What does that mean?

And Gob, who are your scum and/or town reads?

I think dave is almost certainly mafia here. They aren't acting like a towny about to get voted of.

I like Naerys especially after they voted davesaz. I like Enchant. I also dont like your slot I think the voting has been bad.

shaddowez, Random Nurse, pisskop

If not you then one of these is probably the wolf teammate with dave

[gob]

It's like he 'solves' the parts of the games he can and doesn't touch the other parts.

Obviously I can't solve the parts that I can't solve. Do you have any idea how stupid this post sounds?

Well the point is that you're a frozen scum who can't solve a lot of the game so you focus on unimportant stuff. Basiclly.

You really dont feel like a town about to be mislaunched

[gob]

They aren't acting like a towny about to get voted of.

Explain what a towny about to get voted does? And how what I'm doing isn't it.

It depends on the person, why are you asking me to coach you btw im not gonna do that

I think dave is almost certainly mafia here. They aren't acting like a towny about to get voted of.

Then why aren't you hopping on the wagon?

I'm waiting to vote

[gob]

I also dont like your slot I think the voting has been bad.

Wha-

I literally only voted Davesaz today, who you think is scum. How has my voting been bad?

im talking about bob3141, slow down and think before you ask me more questions

[gob]

If not you then one of these is probably the wolf teammate with dave

Do you actually think I can be Dave's teammate when I have been the one leading the wagon on him?

You have not been leading shit dude lol, I have been the one leading the dave wagon.

And yea its possible Dave told you to bus him since he knows he won't be around for long.

[gob]

oooh DragonEater you do not seem towny.

[gob]

im talking about bob3141, slow down and think before you ask me more questions

Okay, fair, but AFAIK bob was an objectively null slot (i.e. not actually playing), so I feel it's a bit unfair to judge me based on bob's actions? Like normally I think when playing in good faith, you want to skew the read slightly in favor of the rep in, even moreso when the rep-out is nullish.

Maybe that's just me though, I mean I don't really care about your read on me tbh except for the purpose of sorting you.

bob played and voted, saying they were objectively null is wrong.

That last line is also scummy af. Which is the thing, bob's voting was scummy your posts are scummy.

Not voting you today though so dont worry

[gob]

If not you then one of these is probably the wolf teammate with dave

Do you actually think I can be Dave's teammate when I have been the one leading the wagon on him?

You have not been leading shit dude lol, I have been the one leading the dave wagon.

And yea its possible Dave told you to bus him since he knows he won't be around for long.

yeah this post isn't a towny post

also I'm not sure how you've been leading the dave wagon

??? I was the one who pushed Dave yesterday. I have definitely been the most vocal person against dave.

[gob]

??? I was the one who pushed Dave yesterday. I have definitely been the most vocal person against dave.

Your ISO checks out

good catch

The better catch was Dragon Eater as scum with dave. Dave told Dragon to bus them.

[gob]

??? I was the one who pushed Dave yesterday. I have definitely been the most vocal person against dave.

Your ISO checks out

good catch

The better catch was Dragon Eater as scum with dave. Dave told Dragon to bus them.

We'd have to vote davesaz to see if that even is an associative that could be realized

also DE has been really towny lately

How so? I do agree though we need to get rid of dave first

[gob]

Also let me clarify pre-emptively because I know I might get heat for it:

When I say "flashwagon" I mean getting someone into E-2/E-1 range quickly, not eliminating them quickly with no chance to claim / see reactions / discuss.

posts like this are towny imo

Really? I think the complete opposite.

[gob]

??? I was the one who pushed Dave yesterday. I have definitely been the most vocal person against dave.

Good for you? That still doesn't mean I "didn't lead shit".
Like if you are town and think Dave's scum, you know you are allowed to have other town people backing you up and working together with you and not being scum bussing their partners, right?

The better catch was Dragon Eater as scum with dave. Dave told Dragon to bus them.

Well if that's true let's kill Dave, right?

Yes of course. Just don't think you led the wagon on Dave, since I started it before you replaced in

[gob]

What is the traitor? Can someone explain that to me

[gob]

Enchant why are you not voting dave now?

[gob]

Okay, I think we need to completely flip and vote someone who hasn't been viewed as scummy to this point.

[gob]

I know VCA isn't the end-all/be-all, especially self, but I still feel that questioning my placement on wagons warrants this:

Scenarios

• I'm
  scum
  : I know that none of the 4 lims so far have been my teammates, so limming any of them works towards my win condition. Instead, I stay off all but one of them, which happens to be
  scum

You could have stayed off all of them because you knew they would flip town. Some scum do this unconsciously too.

[*]I'm

scum

. I know that none of the first 3 lims have been my teammates, but the last one is. So, I don't vote any of those that work towards my win condition, but do bus late into the game.

Same as before. You probably aren't teaming with CSF though, since you were on their wagon early and weren't particularly looking for attention/town points for it.

[*]I'm

town

. I don't know what alignment any of the wagons are, so vote where I feel scum is.
[/list]

I can't make the decision for everyone else, but to me the only one that points to me playing to my wincon is the third scenario.

I find it really weird you did VCA for yourself in the first place, but idk its whatever fine.

Are you done with V/LA and would you consider voting davesaz today or no?

[gob]

Why and who

I changed my mind actually. I got scared because of the resistance. If we don't vote off Dave today I think we lose though.

[gob]

I just did this with the T3 iso so I may have missed a quick vote unvote but I think that's more accurate anyway.

Blue Mafia

CatScratchFever: Enchant(ZZZX)->

Hu Tao

->

iamveryhappy

|

Hu Tao

||

StD

-> No Vote -> davesaz || Enchant -> davesaz

Red Mafia

Klazam:

Flavor Leaf

->

Hu Tao

-> No Vote ->

CSF

Okay, I actually can see why people think Enchant is scummy. I think this looks a lot like mafia distancing from CSF.

[gob]

bbmolla and dave is prob maf v maf

interesting.

Okay, I think the teams are

Naerys + Dave
Enchant + bbmolla

@shaddowez
@davesaz
@Enchant
@bbmolla
@naerys
@pisskop

What you guys think?

[gob]

Fuckkk I knew I fucked up somewhere. My bad.

[gob]

That's a very....strange.....list of people to ask about your scumteams also - you're asking the 4 people you're listing if they think they're scum and then me and pisskop, while completely ignoring at least 3 other players....why those specific ats?

I wanted to see it from everyone I listed + whoever I could think of off the top of my head.

Just for reactions.

[gob]

Those last few posts are a prime example of why I think gob is scum.
It all seems thoughtless but contrived at the same time, like there is a goal in mind and post whatever fits that goal whether it lines up with reality or not.

I just bit off a bit more than I could chew to be honest. I was in 3 games on this site then 3 more on other ones.
I went off the vote counts of previous days for that analysis.

[gob]

You do realize that putting a SR on a dead player could indicate that gob isnt as engaged in the game as he should be? It feels like he pulled those names from a hat or something, without much thinking. Beside, that reads list of his felt very fake.

Is this because I scumread you just now? Kind of a big shift from what you were saying before. I chose BBMolla cause I was looking at the vote yesterday and figured the blue mafia must be on davesaz not CSF as dave was a popular counter wagon.

That leaves the worst as the last blue mafia. dave lich and snivy could all be blue mafia who jumped on CSF at last minute to bus though.

[gob]

In retrospect it was a mistake to get rid of davesaz.

[gob]

who's this JackgoVirson person

A true player.