Amnesiac Mafia: The Movie! That's a Wrap!

[Frozen Angel]

popcorn GIF though

GIF was a commuter. They

also

claimed.

wait didn't they claim commuter day 1

or was that drixx?

[Frozen Angel]

There was no point for an early claim as it doesn't mess with watcher/tracker its just an extra explainable result anyway if those role even exists.

If a tracker targets you they are wasting their action

No, they are getting a result that confirms my claim and theirs. I made sure there was no escape from me claiming this role in day 2. I went on explaining how rare the role is how passive it is, how RB has no effect on it, how not important the role is in general, and I used literal words of the claim and explicitly said I claimed it on my first post of day 2 which doesn't have any other crum in it to be used for fake claims, so my claim would still be irrefutable

and some one else must be with the role today anyway so the existance of this role is not a mystery in a setup with roles that swap hands like this - wont stay a mystery forever.

so no the track wouldn't be wasted at all

[Frozen Angel]

We kinda also limmed the jailkeeper so that’s one less interference. I think role magically randomly on FB is kinda too coincidental so I think it’s safe to assume FB is town and got the role?

This!

People are talking about FB randing it as someone in the PoE like that's some particularly likely occurrence.

If FB is town and got the role cause black targetted them, I still think the black night kill means scum were worried he would target a scum and they didn't want her to claim action.

So I think regardless of how FB got the role there is a scum in klick's POE

[Frozen Angel]

It doesn't confirm your claim because mafia can also be seen targeting the night kill, even if they have that role as their fake claim

The claim doesn't need to be confirmed with any investigation roles. The roles are being swapped hand to hand

only targets/actions need to be confirmed with investigation roles in this setup and they would understand why I was seen targeting even if it would not clear me.

So it doesn't waste the track itself. since track claim would be after me claiming, then it would confirm the tracker player did an action - hence they are town cause they could use the action they randed.

[Frozen Angel]

alright since gif is claimed I popcorn drixx

[Frozen Angel]

My claim cant be fixed its litteraly on that post in a pretty obvious manner already so I don't think I need to rush it

If it were obvious you wouldn't feel the need to slow roll it

as I said its like that for people since its a rare role.

otherwise, I used the literal words of the role and explained how it is working in multiple posts during day 2 in regard with other actions.

[Frozen Angel]

GIF as someone in POE why didnt you ask/hint town to not target you?

Also reading iso this interaction on day 2. This one just strikes me as interesting:

Also please don't use Demon Slayer as an example to dissuade mech.
That setup was at waaaaaaaaaay at the end of the spectrum.
We're not playing in a setup where we have 2 poisoners, 2 redirectors, a bus driver, and some sort of deathproof scum that can kill every town members.

Okay 'commuter'

Hey I stopped a nightkill, which was far better night actions than what most of the town did.

This was about the demon slayer game not this one

but still, I find it slightly weird that GIF had no reactions about "commuter" mention if that was their role in day 2.

[Frozen Angel]

where did gif claim commuter in day 2 itself that you would expect black to know about it?

[Frozen Angel]

oki ignore my last questions then, gif

[Frozen Angel]

There was no point for an early claim as it doesn't mess with watcher/tracker its just an extra explainable result anyway if those role even exists.

If a tracker targets you they are wasting their action

No, they are getting a result that confirms my claim and theirs. I made sure there was no escape from me claiming this role in day 2. I went on explaining how rare the role is how passive it is, how RB has no effect on it, how not important the role is in general, and I used literal words of the claim and explicitly said I claimed it on my first post of day 2 which doesn't have any other crum in it to be used for fake claims, so my claim would still be irrefutable

and some one else must be with the role today anyway so the existance of this role is not a mystery in a setup with roles that swap hands like this - wont stay a mystery forever.

so no the track wouldn't be wasted at all

How does it confirm you? Couldn't hou be scum that performs the kill?

I didn't say it says anything about my alignment, just that I had been truthful that I would have been visiting the target.

This all is about a hypothetical situation where a tracker exists who would track me in last night phase. regardless me not claiming it last day was not a waste of track, it would have just shown both me and tracker are truthful about what we claim about visits at very least.

[Frozen Angel]

so FB got the caterer and the original owner of role died?

My mind is not really in game like the rest of you, but why would scum kill black if they couldn't use that for a gambit/fake clearing themself attempt? Black seems like a very weird choice of kill tbh

Do I want to fall for this?

what does this even mean?

Its a start of a thought process that i elaborated on my next posts.

[Frozen Angel]

so ircher and kuribo claimed lovers with a chat and that can only work if town receives the role in this setup so they clear to each other. kuribo claims visionary - giving it to shea - who claimed got hit by a manipulative role and claims received caterer

Am I getting the gist of everything/everyone that are cleared to each other right?

[Frozen Angel]

the tracker claim is what was missing from this setup where gravedigger is in.

can someone else confirm gravedigger exists or is it randed to scum/dead on all other phases?

[Frozen Angel]

I completely trust STD claims

[Frozen Angel]

I was vanilla
grave digger
vanilla

in that order first three phases

did anyone else but std claim the vig for night 1 and night 2?

[Frozen Angel]

the tracker claim is what was missing from this setup where gravedigger is in.

can someone else confirm gravedigger exists or is it randed to scum/dead on all other phases?

surprised you're asking this, I didn't think I was being particularly subtle.

I just wanted it loud and clear claimed. so the grave crumb you posted right before I claimed grave digger was confirming you got my claim

[Frozen Angel]

What’s a gravedigger

a miller to tracker watcher

they get seen visiting the target of scum kill

[Frozen Angel]

at this time I think we have some possibilities:

1 - kuribo and richer are town, this means shea is town I guess, the scum is in Drixx, Dunnstral,GuyInFreezer, Pink Ball, Save The Dragons which means a 4/5 from that group

2 - kuribo and richer are scum and for some weird reason they claimed something like a masonry early that no one else confirmed, in this scenario shea can be town or scum I guess cause they got the caterer for real or not but its most likely town unless if scum planned to claim visionary cast like that (?), and then the remaining scum are hidden in rest.

regardless there are 2 to 4 scum in Drixx, Dunnstral,GuyInFreezer, Pink Ball, Save The Dragons

am I right with my math?

[Frozen Angel]

omg ircher turning to richer with autocorrect lmao

[Frozen Angel]

@STD why did you not claim tracker in last day phase?

[Frozen Angel]

at this time I think we have some possibilities:

1 - kuribo and richer are town, this means shea is town I guess, the scum is in Drixx, Dunnstral,GuyInFreezer, Pink Ball, Save The Dragons which means a 4/5 from that group

2 - kuribo and richer are scum and for some weird reason they claimed something like a masonry early that no one else confirmed, in this scenario shea can be town or scum I guess cause they got the caterer for real or not but its most likely town unless if scum planned to claim visionary cast like that (?), and then the remaining scum are hidden in rest.

regardless there are 2 to 4 scum in Drixx, Dunnstral,GuyInFreezer, Pink Ball, Save The Dragons

am I right with my math?

If I'm scum then Shea would have to be scum too because he received my vision

oh yeah

that's true scum don't have the actual roles

so that means you three are all town or all scum at same time

[Frozen Angel]

we need to massclaim

@drixx @gif in no other your turn. tell us all roles/actions you had so far

[Frozen Angel]

in no order - I can talk I swear

[Frozen Angel]

when was i supposed to say it during d3

Day starts: "hey I was roleblocked"

he got no result with tracker, but that would apply for today when his vig failed

[Frozen Angel]

grave digger flavor is body double

[Frozen Angel]

This game state is actually really wierd. something feels wrong with the claims

we're saying 4 people are conftown cause of claims. shea richer and kuriba are same alignment for sure - and almost certainly town unless if it was their plot since day 1

but how pb is also in same group. pb claimed tracker and a result that would make sense with tsq but why a scum pt wouldn't be able to make that up? we know scum also rand the roles just cant do skills

at this point we just gotta focus on pb dun drixx gif me and std for 4 scum 2 town (which means there is only 1 other town in this list beside me) unless if tsq ircher and kuribo are 3 scum and there is only 1 scum in rest mechanically

this is assuming 4 scum which I doubt scum are less in a setup that looks this skewed to town with moving power actions. Plus we still have no idea about what actual skills scum can have in a setup like this.

[Frozen Angel]

I completely trust STD claims

Why? This post needs more elaboration for the rest of us to follow.

cause the tracker was a role that I was looking for with grave digger existing and he had no reason to drop a new claim in board if he was scum.

and I believe his vig claim too

[Frozen Angel]

at this time I think we have some possibilities:

1 - kuribo and richer are town, this means shea is town I guess, the scum is in Drixx, Dunnstral,GuyInFreezer, Pink Ball, Save The Dragons which means a 4/5 from that group

2 - kuribo and richer are scum and for some weird reason they claimed something like a masonry early that no one else confirmed, in this scenario shea can be town or scum I guess cause they got the caterer for real or not but its most likely town unless if scum planned to claim visionary cast like that (?), and then the remaining scum are hidden in rest.

regardless there are 2 to 4 scum in Drixx, Dunnstral,GuyInFreezer, Pink Ball, Save The Dragons

am I right with my math?

What are your reads? I keep seeing you post a lot of mech so it's hard for me to get where your current stances are.

The mech is heavily related to my reads. I have missed almost half the entire game to have single person reads. If game goes to Thursday evening and Friday, I will have time to do some proper analysis but at this time I'm leaning on drixx being the scum between the drixx dun std gif pb list that we know contains at least one scum and likely all 4

[Frozen Angel]

I kinda wanna focus on the D1 VT claims actually
Because at least one of them lied.

How so? we had 2 dead players who didn't claim their d1 role and we had grave digger and tracker missing right? am I missing another role that was not claimed?

[Frozen Angel]

can someone list all claims that were made

pedit: huh true

[Frozen Angel]

alternatively, we can also assume that someone from dead people who claimed vt lied to keep tracker or vig hidden or just considered gravedigger vt which is the least likely option.

we need a full list of claims for all three days if someone can spend time to organize it

[Frozen Angel]

I need to see a full table of all three days claims.

one thing to consider is that, we can mark some claims as certainly existing if they were claimed to exist by a dead town and then we can try to follow where they went. the next group will be unconfirmed roles that went missing or were not claimed by a dead town, which we need to also consider that they might not exist at all.

It seems we have a very clear picture of setup at this point so we just need to put everything together and see it all in one frame for inconsistencies

[Frozen Angel]

which doesn't clear shea it just means shea was targeted by fb

well it makes it extremely unlikely for shea to be scum unless if PB lies

[Frozen Angel]

but it says nothing about PB himself

[Frozen Angel]

But I did find something interesting:

GiF is right, there are 16 roles instead of 15: all the PRs that we already know and 6 VTs. D1 is missing the Vig, the Tracker and the Gravedigger
Gravedigger and Tracker are real: Shea got the gravedigger yesterday and I got the tracker on D3.
Only role that has no confirmation is the vig, which conveniently is on a player who's alive today, but given the 16 roles instead of 15, it could be that one of the VTs is fake and it was actually a scum who fakeclaimed and randed the vig.

Another theory that we talked with Jingle back on D2: there could be 16 roles; that way the lovers get nerfed and make the game a little less townsided. Given how things went the rest of the days, this theory gets more credit now.

But what really caught my attention was this:
Drixx: Commuter, VT, VT
GiF: VT, Commuter, VT
Dunn: VT, VT, Commuter

Commuter is actually a great role for scum in this setup: it gives enough WIFOM about the comfirmable amnesiac roles to the point that some night actions could be disregarded via Commuter claim (Caterer targeted you and you didn't get the role? "Oh I was a commuter"; Visionary and someone else targeted you and you didn't claim receiving a vision? "Oh I commuted last night"; etc). The thing is, Titus started this discussion when Drixx claimed the Commuter, saying that he should've claimed it on D1, and GiF shut down that conversation by claiming the Commuter himself.

So what to do with this connection, knowing that the most likely scenario is that there are four scum members inside {StD,FA,GiF,Drixx,Dunn}?
- The three claimed commuters are scum and 1 scum in {StD,FA}. Why would GiF be going after Dunn in this scenario? While I think the scumteam's strategy is not bussing unless absolutely necessary (because one more night means more chances of town getting conftowned), if StD is the remaining partner it's completely valid to throw Dunn under the bus just to control the rethoric of the game for future days; GiF and co would know that there will be another day to play so making a GiF/Dunn 1v1 makes the other look good the next day. I think the real objective of this scumteam is missliming FA, which GiF started this day saying that was a possibility too.
- Two of three claimed commuters are scum. This one is based on two things: I still townread GiF by play; and the VC at EoD2. I think either GiF or Dunn where caught in the crossfire pushing Titus instead of Klick and I'm inclined to believe that GiF was the one caught there. BUT there's the connection between Drixx and GiF: even if the commuter was a real amnesiac role (confirmed by town!Dunn in this scenario), the way it was claimed on D2 and how GiF followed is concerning. I think that Dunn not claiming it on D3 is actually pro town. The remaining scum would be StD and FA.

And that's it, there are no other scenarios because of the PoE I have. Scenario 1 could discard the idea of voting between {StD,FA} even if everything points out to StD being scum. Scenario 2 discards the idea of voting between {GiF,Dunn}.

Drixx is the only confscum in both scenarios.

This is a very good analysis just few stuff though:

- commuter is a role that by default has a higher chance of being on living town cause of its nature, both that its a protective and cause scum wont hit a claimed commuter
- if only 2 commuter claim is scum then commuter is an amnesiac role, which means the other two were scum fake claiming it. this still doesn't explain why there are 16 roles

you say either all 3 are scum or 2 of them are scum, but what about scenarios none are scum or 1 is scum?

though if we consider you kuribo ircher shea as town then there are 4 scum in the other 5 and it means all commuter claimers are scum, cause I am town too which would work with how we have an extra amnesiac role. if we wanna assume that a commuter claim is not scum then it means that you are scum in their place cause shea cant be scum without you kuribo and richer being scum all 3 and kuribo and richer need to both be scum at same time if they are.

this makes me think drixx is a safe bet to get scum elimed regardless of how we look at setup though too, cause there is no world were none of the commuter claimers are scum. lets say that's the case, then dun drixx gif are all 3 town, that means kuribo and richer are definitely town cause we cant have 5 scum, and it would mean shea is also town cause kuribo and that means we don't have enough candidates for scum left. So its definite that there is at least 1 scum in commuter claims {drixx gif dun}

[Frozen Angel]

drixx getting titus elimed was fine drixx town play, but him disappearing when all the mech talk happened and not commenting on what happened yesterday with how fast day ended is scummy for his standards.

Like I know he said he is on vacation but It feels like he is just lurking hoping for a town to be voted to jump on them.

[Frozen Angel]

that seems like a really weird tone to take considering the lim seems to be way more likely to go on std than you right now. Basically no one has mentioned you at all.

PB Voted me and then unvoted me and FA said they were going to vote me?

where did I say I'm going to vote you? I stated few posts back that I hope the game goes to Thursday night friday so I can deep dive in all the pages I missed.

I am just mechanically sorting the poe like what I expected you to be doing

[Frozen Angel]

I mean ... is nobody but me bothered by the fact that the "lovers" never ended up on anyone else, and that just when we would be likely to start poking in that direction, then all of a sudden there's a "clutch" vision result that "clears" kuribo (and with him, the two people whose posts have cleared him). It's a neat little closed loop, and it stinks.

I did consider this

that's why I'm saying we have basically two group of people and one definitely is the majority of scum. its either kuribo ircher shea (and pb I guess) or the other side

but there is no world/scenario where none of commuter claimers are scum {drixx GIF dun} cause if all three are town then bnoth kuriobo and ircher are town (cause we cant have 2 more scum) so shea is also town and we don't have enough people to consider scum. which means at least one commuter claimer lied and is scum so my poe is on the 3 how is that wrong assumption/analysis?

[Frozen Angel]

Why are you so fixated on the lover part
It’s not like lover role isn’t the only role Kuribo rolled that was confirmed by others.

Because it's super unlikely for such a role pairing to have played out the way it has. And because once the game dragged on long enough that people would naturally be getting super suspicious, along comes a "vision" claim.

I'm also pretty sure that there have been no other "named" roles claimed this game. I've only seen one "scripted" part, and it didn't have a proper name. As far as I'm aware, nobody besides Ircher and Kuribo have claimed to be given a role with a "proper" name.

ALL OF THE FUCKING ROLES HAVE NAMES

"Sassy Cab Driver" is not a proper name in the way that "Romeo" or "Juliet" are names.

Literally nobody but you has claimed their scripted role had a proper name.

Rage more. It's feeding me.

What is commuter role name?

[Frozen Angel]

Corrupt Judge; Sassy Cab Driver

Are not the same as "Romeo" and "Juliet"

Can you spot the difference? One has adjectives and nouns. The other features only a single proper noun.

grave digger is body double will that help you to move on from this clearly irrelevant argument?

[Frozen Angel]

yeah so drixx had the role why is he being so weird about the name of it?

[Frozen Angel]

Drixx argument is that "Romeo" and "Juliet" are the only roles with proper names i.e. not just descriptive words like "the sassy cab driver"

oh he is trying to say the lovers roles don't exist based on flavor names

I get it now

[Frozen Angel]

Idk why y’all think lovers is a strong role.
Sure it confirms. But it’s also 1+1 nightkill.

its practically claiming masons in this setup

[Frozen Angel]

cause they say they had a neighborhood and scum them wouldn't have them so they are confirmed to each other. they cant be scum unless if both are

[Frozen Angel]

cause they say they had a neighborhood and scum them wouldn't have them so they are confirmed to each other. they cant be scum unless if both are

Yeah but lovers are not as strong of a role as mason pair due to nightkill risk. That’s why I’m saying lovers aren’t that strong to warrant 4-men scumteam.

we have absolutely no clue about the scum utility in this setup at this time but town power roles cant be removed cause of design and this is extremely town favored + all amnesiac power roles thrown in setup if we believe commuter vig tracker JK

it makes the setup look extremely town sided on surface level, so I think assuming 4 scum isn't that far fetched

[Frozen Angel]

this discussion doesnt matter though. 3 or 4 scum we need to catch one today regardless

[Frozen Angel]

the chart will be really helpful yea

[Frozen Angel]

first I need to say that putting PB out of poe mechanically is just wrong assumption cause pb claimed an action post other actions were claimed, nothing actually was said about him, himself. I mean shea is town if pb is town but the vice versa is not necessarily true mechanically. scum could just have tracker as a fake claim and he could have just made the FB checked shea up after it was claimed in thread.

but going back to the gun in my hand, few pages ago I would say drixx, cause of how low impact he became after getting titus elimed. I was not completely alerted with how he approached titus but I think him being less impactful in direction of game is a scum indicative thing of him. But then I actually like his way of approaching lovers claim actually. I think its fair of him to be suspicious of lovers cause its really low probability for no one else to ever have lover in this setup and drixx that I know "drives" with the math and probabilities when he is solving. so I'm actually a bit reserved on the slot now.

Regarding STD his claiming vig existance is particularly something that a scum him would have almost no reason of doing in my head. but then I kept thinking, why would a catalyst vig not try to use that role for confirming himself somehow. like I would expect him trying to hunt an action and why would he assume going on ircher will be likely end up killing a slot to begin with.

That leaves GIF and Dun and I think there is a scum between the two. If both are town we have a 3 scum setup likely.

I also think there is for sure a scum in the commuter claimers that is drixx/gif/dun

who i would shoot will have to wait till I deeper check when I have time thursday night or Friday morning. I don't have time to elaborate more my current reads and check things up but I wanna see how each of the people drove the game regarding each wagon.

[Frozen Angel]

if kuribo ircher shea are scum pb is for sure scum too. but pb being scum says nothing about the three as well

this is inverse negation of that same logic

[Frozen Angel]

STD why didn't you plan anything with your special vig? the catalyst vig can potentially confirm you as town if it goes through in this setup

[Frozen Angel]

That leaves GIF and Dun and I think there is a scum between the two. If both are town we have a 3 scum setup likely.

Drixx, STD and FA?

drixx std and you

[Frozen Angel]

FA do you have any non-mech thoughts on where mafia can be in the commuter claims?

I explained in my large post. I was leaning on drixx, but I'm having second thoughts with how he reacted. I really need to read the pages i missed in this game regarding these players. and I explained all my other current impressions. I hope game goes to Thursday night or Friday morning so I can sort some stuff

[Frozen Angel]

That leaves GIF and Dun and I think there is a scum between the two. If both are town we have a 3 scum setup likely.

Drixx, STD and FA?

drixx std and you

Lol

I am leaning that there is a scum in gif/dun over that but yeah.

[Frozen Angel]

you were expecting scum power to be used on ircher and you were scum reading ircher?

what scum power were you hoping to be used on scum?

[Frozen Angel]

Wait

You expected SCUM to target ircher so you targeted him with an ability that KILLS HIM if someone else targets him?

yeah the vig has a modifier it only works if someone else targets the target

that's what makes this weird. if the vig was used and would go through it would make someone conftown cause scum cant use the skill. so it really would require a bit of planning. targeting ircher even if you were scum reading ircher just sounds "lazy" ? it just doesn't feel like any thought was put on the action for to be used like that if that is real

[Frozen Angel]

yeah but if you were/are scum reading ircher you expected this scum power to be used on scum!ircher for your action to go through

what kind of scum power were you expecting to be used by scum on scum?

[Frozen Angel]

I didn't say I knew there was a power available or that I expected scum to use this power on ircher

I guess I was thinking doc or rolestopper but that would neutralize the vig anyway so maybe not

exactly. This is why the target makes absolutely no sense even if you were thinking ircher is scum.

and you said your team mates suggested ircher too for same reasoning? No one saw any issue with that use of action with that logic?

[Frozen Angel]

What I really care about is why not vote GiF today

Because I think one of you is the remaining town in the PoE and we are not forced to solve that 1v1 now if we can go more nights that could give us more info or even one of you randing a lover

why you eliminated the possibility of both being scum to get this conclusion?

[Frozen Angel]

STD my issue with your target is that it seems like you haven't thought about what it means to target a scum read of yours that you expect other scum targeting for the kill to work for.

It seems this is first time you're thinking about this which makes me think you might be scum who just claimed roles they got but had trouble with claiming actions cause you never used any actions to begin with and this is really the first time you're thinking about them.

[Frozen Angel]

This is not about who you targeted. Its about did you even do it? cause it seems you never thought about what the catalyst aspect of the vig rule will even mean in action and I doubt all your team mates would miss it too. You wrote this was your team decision right?

[Frozen Angel]

No I fully believe that STD’s visits are all true.
He knew tracker existed and he wasn’t the last in the claims. He wouldn’t risk lying about target and get caught either alignment.

tracker wasn't claimed till std claimed it though but yeah if std is scum then they knew tracker exists.

tracker is likely to exist in a setup with gravedigger but no dead town player confirmed its existance right

or std can be just a scum with targeting skills / or just claimed without fear of tracker cause its very unlikely for tracker to be handed to living players and he was targetted with it at this stage of game.

also this is too hypothetical and far fetched but what if tracker just never randed on town or doesn't exist and pb and std are both scum. pb claimed tracker after std to join the conf town group with it and plan was for std to claim it so we don't doubt it when pb claims. We also need to consider this possibility

[Frozen Angel]

STD my issue with your target is that it seems like you haven't thought about what it means to target a scum read of yours that you expect other scum targeting for the kill to work for.

It seems this is first time you're thinking about this which makes me think you might be scum who just claimed roles they got but had trouble with claiming actions cause you never used any actions to begin with and this is really the first time you're thinking about them.

I was giving a fucking example for christmas sake I didn't mean to imply I knew it would work. I targeted a scumread thinking maybe something good would happen

can you tell me about why you scum read ircher

[Frozen Angel]

I still think dunn feels kinda townie tbh. If he's scum he's really good at replicating his town game.

I think I feel most confident in limming std, then drixx if you put a gun to my head.

I'm still sorting stuff out in my head but I'm leaning STD/FA as a start

Talk to me about your read on me. I am town and I can try to answer about your questions regarding me if you have any.

[Frozen Angel]

like as you said the issue is too many conf town not enough bullets. So scum is absolutely forced to try to play towards paranoia on the lovers and the caterer chain.

Anything else just leads to them losing.

scum also loves to act conftown. PB is just not conftown. I also town read for his play personally, but we're at this stage of game we cant falsy clear players based on wrong mechanical assumptions.

He is not elimination today and shouldn't be but he is not mechanically proven to be same alignment as you kuribo and ircher and this must not be forgotten/must be mentioned in later days when pool gets smaller

[Frozen Angel]

regardless STD not thinking about what action they wanna follow on with catalyst vig is actually suggestive that they only thought about the role and not action - exactly how scums are regarding roles.

maybe they tried to explain their actual scum role target usage with the town fake claims they got randed with

[Frozen Angel]

1212 shea pushes FA without voting her and kind of explains what he's seeing
1219 FA says she's bothered by shea and klick
1221 shea backs off, helping to dismantle the pressure on her

not a smoking gun by any means but i could see it as a partnered reaction

I was not "bothered" I was "angry" and I had every right to be. It felt like shea commented on my post without even checking it cause 1/3rd of the post was conclusive results. but while klick was insisting on my analysis being baseless and soulless, shea stoped pushing it and actually argued klick against it.

like klick was 100% on the wrong there so was shea initially but then klick went at shea for some reason for a while too

for me, it still feels like shea was just commenting on my posts (maybe based on his impression of my earlier posts) without reading them. but shea is almost 100% on same alignment as kuribo and ircher with visionary caterer interaction so this is just a leading nowhere thaught process.

[Frozen Angel]

have they even meaningfully interacted with each other

give me a minute

Has FA meaningfully interacted with anyone?

what does this even mean? I have 260 posts filled with analysis and interactions whenever I could. I was less active day 2 and day 3 with that quick hammer happening but Its not like I flatline lurked the game

[Frozen Angel]

but why why would scum perform those actions

This is such a naive comeback.

If you're scum then you didn't perform the actions cause you didn't have the roles actually, you randed the actions and knew they exist but couldn't use them.

So a scum mind set knows how to fake claim a role but not the "target" which is why I was insisting to at least have mass claim of targets - and we can mass claim roles on later days in day 1. and I think this is what happened with your ircher vig shot. You clearly haven't been thinking about the catalyst aspect of the role before today, cause all you were focused on was claiming that you had the role (cause it was scum!you 's fake claim). but even if you were thinking about it for 2 sec you would have tried to get a town investigation to target a scum read of yours to shoot them which would confirm you as town and get a scum read killed in this setup.

but you shot ircher without considering you're a catalyst saying today you were expecting this scum read of yours o be targeted by a scum power role without even thinking why would a scum non protective power role target your scum read in first place.

you not analysing this before this day phase - specially since you had tracker and knew it exists in game - makes me think this is fitting on a scum mind set.

Furthermore, in last few pages you're dropping random allegations against almost everyone not you not lover basically saying the scum can be anyone else but is not me which is a panic argument at best. Now I agree town can panic too, but how you trying to make an associative between me and shea based on that lame argument to push your theory, it feels like panic "forging"/"reaching" not panic reaction which is scum panic.

[Frozen Angel]

kuribo: STD/FA
GiF: Dunn/FA
PB: Drixx/STD
Dunn: GiF/Drixx
Shea: STD/Drixx (based on 5785)
Drixx: Dunn/GiF
StD: PB/FA
Ircher: Drixx/STD

STD/{GIF/Dun} for me, but I dont know which of the two to go next

there is a scum there though cause if both are town that means the scum team is something like drixx, std ,PB or something

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not sure if you know what strawman means

you responded to shea, asking why would a scum you do the targets. I just explained that a scum you wouldnt be doing the targets cause a scum you would not have the roles. Its just a very bad response

[Frozen Angel]

but why why would scum perform those actions

So a scum mind set knows how to fake claim a role but not the "target" which is why I was insisting to at least have mass claim of targets - and we can mass claim roles on later days in day 1. and I think this is what happened with your ircher vig shot. You clearly haven't been thinking about the catalyst aspect of the role before today, cause all you were focused on was claiming that you had the role (cause it was scum!you 's fake claim). but even if you were thinking about it for 2 sec you would have tried to get a town investigation to target a scum read of yours to shoot them which would confirm you as town and get a scum read killed in this setup.

but you shot ircher without considering you're a catalyst saying today you were expecting this scum read of yours o be targeted by a scum power role without even thinking why would a scum non protective power role target your scum read in first place.

i don't think that this is fair, i didn't imply i knew scum would have a power i was saying maybe i'll get lucky and someone will target ircher. saying i expected this scumread of mine to be targeted is not what i was trying to say.

i don't think using it to try to confirm me as town is what i would do with the role, i think it's unfair to attribute that thinking to me or to town. i think it's perfectly reasonable to target a scumread and hope that it would kill them.

if you're so obsessed with me using the role incorrectly, what was i supposed to do with the role? not holster, because according to you i was supposed to try and clear myself. so should i have targeted shea?

Let me simplify my post

Im just saying I feel like you didn't have the role cause it seems you though about how would you use it today when we were questioning you.

That is exactly how scum are with their roles cause they just receive them as fake claim and they never have to use them so they are not thinking about targets by default.

is my thinking process making more sense/is more understandable for you?

This is not about why you targeted ircher. its about why you didn't think about how to use your role before you were questioned about it and I think its a completely fair take away from it.

[Frozen Angel]

Fa I didn't want to interfere with the caterer and I didn't really think it likely that anyone would target anyone else. I guess I was hoping for scum power to be used on ircher for some reason but I had no reason to believe it would work

I said

Scum power

Power

As in

Power that scum has

Power

My point is you were trying to kill someone because you thought scum would be targeting them

With a power

I didn't say I knew there was a power available or that I expected scum to use this power on ircher

I guess I was thinking doc or rolestopper but that would neutralize the vig anyway so maybe not

I have wxplained and people get obsessed with things like "OMG SCUm haVE PoWER rolEs???????????!!!!?!?!?!??!"

This series of posts here is your reaction when you were questioned about what was your thought process when you chose ircher as target. You started this with a confident line saying you were hoping for a scum power to be used for ircher. when your next posts say this isnt true and you were not thinking about it:

"I guess I was thinking doc or rolestopper but that would neutralize the vig anyway so maybe not"

so question is why were you reacting like this when you were being questioned about it to portray a confidence you shouldn't have had about choosing the target you chose and the reasons behind it.

It just feels inconsistent.

[Frozen Angel]

but why why would scum perform those actions

So a scum mind set knows how to fake claim a role but not the "target" which is why I was insisting to at least have mass claim of targets - and we can mass claim roles on later days in day 1. and I think this is what happened with your ircher vig shot. You clearly haven't been thinking about the catalyst aspect of the role before today, cause all you were focused on was claiming that you had the role (cause it was scum!you 's fake claim). but even if you were thinking about it for 2 sec you would have tried to get a town investigation to target a scum read of yours to shoot them which would confirm you as town and get a scum read killed in this setup.

but you shot ircher without considering you're a catalyst saying today you were expecting this scum read of yours o be targeted by a scum power role without even thinking why would a scum non protective power role target your scum read in first place.

i don't think that this is fair, i didn't imply i knew scum would have a power i was saying maybe i'll get lucky and someone will target ircher. saying i expected this scumread of mine to be targeted is not what i was trying to say.

i don't think using it to try to confirm me as town is what i would do with the role, i think it's unfair to attribute that thinking to me or to town. i think it's perfectly reasonable to target a scumread and hope that it would kill them.

if you're so obsessed with me using the role incorrectly, what was i supposed to do with the role? not holster, because according to you i was supposed to try and clear myself. so should i have targeted shea?

Let me simplify my post

Im just saying I feel like you didn't have the role cause it seems you though about how would you use it today when we were questioning you.

That is exactly how scum are with their roles cause they just receive them as fake claim and they never have to use them so they are not thinking about targets by default.

is my thinking process making more sense/is more understandable for you?

This is not about why you targeted ircher. its about why you didn't think about how to use your role before you were questioned about it and I think its a completely fair take away from it.

Let me simplify my response. How would town use the vig role to clear themselves since you suggested that was a possibility?

any shot that goes through will clear the user of this skill in this setup

roles are swapping hands and scum cant use the roles

[Frozen Angel]

what 180 on you

what are you even talking about

[Frozen Angel]

You said you believed the claims

I still do

The tracker makes sense alongside grave digger and I have the vig role you claimed yesterday

but that has nothing to do with your target claims.

Scum and town both have roles. The difference is that scum can't use them and wont be targeting anyone

[Frozen Angel]

Fa I didn't want to interfere with the caterer and I didn't really think it likely that anyone would target anyone else. I guess I was hoping for scum power to be used on ircher for some reason but I had no reason to believe it would work

I said

Scum power

Power

As in

Power that scum has

Power

My point is you were trying to kill someone because you thought scum would be targeting them

With a power

I didn't say I knew there was a power available or that I expected scum to use this power on ircher

I guess I was thinking doc or rolestopper but that would neutralize the vig anyway so maybe not

I have wxplained and people get obsessed with things like "OMG SCUm haVE PoWER rolEs???????????!!!!?!?!?!??!"

This series of posts here is your reaction when you were questioned about what was your thought process when you chose ircher as target. You started this with a confident line saying you were hoping for a scum power to be used for ircher. when your next posts say this isnt true and you were not thinking about it:

"I guess I was thinking doc or rolestopper but that would neutralize the vig anyway so maybe not"

so question is why were you reacting like this when you were being questioned about it to portray a confidence you shouldn't have had about choosing the target you chose and the reasons behind it.

It just feels inconsistent.

That's a misrep. I said scum could potentially use a power on a buddy. The backlash I got was insane. People were saying "why would you target something scum would target?"

Saying anything otherwise is unfair to me.

Thats not a misrep that's literally quoting your posts

You said and I quote "I guess

I was hoping for scum power to be used on ircher for some reason

but I had no reason to believe it would work"

and then after few pure reactions when questions what you meant with I hoped for scum power to be used on him

to

"I guess I was thinking doc or rolestopper but that would neutralize the vig anyway so maybe not"

Meaning you claimed in thread that you targeted ircher - scumreading ircher assuming a scum would target them when that would make absolutely no sense with the role in question being vig if you're thinking protective roles

and then thinking alongside us who were questioning you about it you backtracked from your statement while reacting heavily to it to keep your confidence posture.

what part of it is a misrep? its literally your posts

[Frozen Angel]

One might think "I completely trust stds claims" includes the target and my alignment especially since it wasn't really questioned by you until I was taking heat

well one might think wrong

I stated absolutely nothing saying I think you're town. I just stated my opinion about your claims and then later on when I felt something is off regarding what you saying about why you claimed ircher who you were supposedly scumreading, I started questioning it and I hated your response to those questions

so here we are

[Frozen Angel]

So who was town supposed to target

idk

like maybe trying to target someone who you think is not caterer and might be targeted with a town investigative role you should have known exists?

again my issue is not with who you targeted. I will target my scum read too with this role all day anyday. My issue is with the inconsistency in your explanation about

why you did it

. You state you thought about it and you chose it assuming scum would target it wich is just inconsistent and makes no sense

[Frozen Angel]

I don't think that's very likely

whats not likely?

[Frozen Angel]

I don't think that's very likely

whats not likely?

That you came out of the woodwork to defend my claims as you trusted them but didn't have any alignment thought or agenda in doing so

I saw three power role claims, one that I was looking for since day 2 that I flipped grave digger and no one was claiming it for day 1 or claiming any role related to it for day 1

and the other a role no one claimed before you and I flipped it today

So I stated that I believe the claims. and initially it gave me a +town impression to me as I was thinking scum you wouldn't have reasons to claim the role

but the further development and discussions about why you targeted ircher and the the whole reactions pushing it in scummy territory in my head.

I don't get why my development on you feels so complicated for you if you're not trying to nitpick to omgus me and I feel this push back by you as I pushed that inconsistency is just scum motivated then solvy

[Frozen Angel]

One might think "I completely trust stds claims" includes the target and my alignment especially since it wasn't really questioned by you until I was taking heat

well one might think wrong

I stated absolutely nothing saying I think you're town. I just stated my opinion about your claims and then later on when I felt something is off regarding what you saying about why you claimed ircher who you were supposedly scumreading, I started questioning it and I hated your response to those questions

so here we are

What was the purpose then of stating that you trusted the claims completely?

cause he claimed two roles no one else ever claimed so far in game

[Frozen Angel]

like could it be even more obvious why it was feeling necessary for me to state that I actually think the claims are truth full when both were not claimed so far by anyone else in this setup?

what kind of crappy question is that.

pedit: what?

[Frozen Angel]

One might think "I completely trust stds claims" includes the target and my alignment especially since it wasn't really questioned by you until I was taking heat

well one might think wrong

I stated absolutely nothing saying I think you're town. I just stated my opinion about your claims and then later on when I felt something is off regarding what you saying about why you claimed ircher who you were supposedly scumreading, I started questioning it and I hated your response to those questions

so here we are

What was the purpose then of stating that you trusted the claims completely?

cause he claimed two roles no one else ever claimed so far in game

I'm not sure I follow this response, but I think your previous post answered my question (though it contradicts what you said ~10 minutes ago).

someone claims two "new roles" in a setup where roles are swapping hands. I say based on my info I trust the claims cause I need to post this info loud to rest of town that I think vig and tracker should exist/at least that I have info vig 100% exists. how is that weird to you to that I mentioned I trust the claims?

and It absolutely doesn't. I don't vomit reads. the claims make sense. the targets in further discussions were iffy and then how he explained why he did the targeting was outright inconsistent so here we are.

I said me saying I agree with his claims was not indicating I town read him and I'm 100% restating that. I don't vomit random reads just based on impressions I get. I knew too well even back then that STD town or scum could have claimed the roles. scum him could have the role as fake claim too so that's the most stupid reason to cut someone from the POE and my post had no reason to imply that I did in any context.

[Frozen Angel]

Oo now it's omgus that one's a reliable tell

yeah its scummy how reactionary you got about this instead of solving the game in possible elo. the way you reacted past few pages to everyone speaking about you is just about the state of survival and calling everyone else bad/not trying to find the town in poe.

anyone else but me is what scum wants at this time in game not town

[Frozen Angel]

the tracker claim is what was missing from this setup where gravedigger is in.

can someone else confirm gravedigger exists or is it randed to scum/dead on all other phases?

I completely trust STD claims

first I need to say that putting PB out of poe mechanically is just wrong assumption cause pb claimed an action post other actions were claimed, nothing actually was said about him, himself. I mean shea is town if pb is town but the vice versa is not necessarily true mechanically. scum could just have tracker as a fake claim and he could have just made the FB checked shea up after it was claimed in thread.

but going back to the gun in my hand, few pages ago I would say drixx, cause of how low impact he became after getting titus elimed. I was not completely alerted with how he approached titus but I think him being less impactful in direction of game is a scum indicative thing of him. But then I actually like his way of approaching lovers claim actually. I think its fair of him to be suspicious of lovers cause its really low probability for no one else to ever have lover in this setup and drixx that I know "drives" with the math and probabilities when he is solving. so I'm actually a bit reserved on the slot now.

Regarding STD his claiming vig existance is particularly something that a scum him would have almost no reason of doing in my head. but then I kept thinking, why would a catalyst vig not try to use that role for confirming himself somehow. like I would expect him trying to hunt an action and why would he assume going on ircher will be likely end up killing a slot to begin with.

That leaves GIF and Dun and I think there is a scum between the two. If both are town we have a 3 scum setup likely.

I also think there is for sure a scum in the commuter claimers that is drixx/gif/dun

who i would shoot will have to wait till I deeper check when I have time thursday night or Friday morning. I don't have time to elaborate more my current reads and check things up but I wanna see how each of the people drove the game regarding each wagon.

for your read ircher

[Frozen Angel]

so I was out all day and had a very busy day and then came home just to host some unexpected guests. I'll check this game tomorrow

[Frozen Angel]

I want to apologize for not showing up here today. I have a real-life horrific situation that I'm dealing with right now and that's why I wasn't in mood to check here and have to shamelessly be on VLA for a while.

[Frozen Angel]

prod dodge

the real life situation is getting better, I'll be here this afternoon and will do my dives

[Frozen Angel]

Im here, gonna try to iso dive the poe

if you have any questions from me I'm here for conversations

[Frozen Angel]

452 and 460 are scummy pop ins just to post

Reasons?

Just looking at the timestamp for those posts, it lines up with exactly when I got off work. Timing of posts is a really weak form of evidence on a short time scale. Even on a very long timescale, it's only useful if you find someone posting outside of their normal pattern, AND those posts also have independent scumminess. YMMV of course.

The thing with drixx that bugged me earlier in game and I forgot about it, till this iso dive was how he approached STD. STD wasn't giving any details about any of his reads but drixx was only concerned about STD read on him which is so out of character for a solving fact checking mindset I expect from drixx

also I remember reading this

Don't be sorry for scumreading anyone. It's the heart of the game. I just wanted reasons to interact with.

and feeling is this coming from a "guilty conscious" and "informative mindset"? like people subconsciously feel bad when they lie or fake stuff and that can show itself with posts like that. I was expecting solving drixx to be more aggressive or anlytical with the read and not advising them to not be sorry for having the read.

going back to first point he continued doing it:

Kowah thinks drixx is scummy

and kind of a neutral read on feysal. I can elaborate on those if people want. I asked him to look at those two people.

Korina mentioned something about DE being town and FB being scummy but I think they've only read a few pages so far.

I will tell ceph he smells esp because he hasn't posted any thoughts yet.

So ... you refused to give any reasons for your own read, and now you come in with an ATA read?

Bro...

I meant Kowahs read

So you propose to give us the reasoning you attribute to someone we cannot actually interact with ... and want us to believe it ... but you won't give your own reasoning? \

This was his response when I questioned that

Mostly I've been skim reading this day one, and my notes are pretty basic at this point. I work from home now so I can check in more often than the last time I was playing in 2020, but I'm still more limited than when I played a lot in years past, so a lot of my attention has been on folks who are actively around when I am. STD got attention because there was just no reasons for anything, but that has been explained to me to be not only "normal" for them but also immutable. I'm not sure how never explaining anything leads to anywhere useful, but for now I'm putting it on the shelf to revisit later.

which I found, ok he wants space maybe he goes more analytical about it later on and he is still setting ground work.

But why did drixx drop STD read?

Like he was mainly inactive for the other 2 day phases and he comes to this day with a poe with std being a part of it and he goes this:

I would rope them in following order, I think: Dunn, GIF, FA, STD

while all his earlier iso was him suspecting STD

I just cant see any analytical developments in his approach with this game. This just feels like a pretty surface level approach while still insisting to try and steer the game.

I honestly don't know what to think about his later ATE

This is the typical situation where the game becomes so townsided that it actually becomes scumsided because of paranoia

The fun thing is that it's the scumteam trying to convince the town that they should be more paranoid

Any town who wants to lynch me before the rest of the PoE should definitely have their heads checked. I obvtowned a bunch this game.

posts like this are actually so horrible coming from drixx. I don't think town drixx approaches this day phase with such "ego" its not like town!drixx was so impactful in the game to confidently drop this analysis on himself. I feel like this is actually more likely to come from a scum drixx trying to make people feel bad about pushing him without him believing it himself.

FMPOV, if we are putting Kuribo, Ircher, TSQ and PB out of the POE, then we have :

Drixx

,

Dunnstral, Frozen Angel, GuyInFreezer, Save The Dragons

If you think there's only 3 scum, one of the above in red isn't scum. If you think there's 4 scum, and you are okay with the assumption on the top line of this post, then there is the game solve.

I genuinely feel something is off with the poe and that not all the other 4 are scum cause some relationships don't make much sense in my head right now, but for drixx to just offer the entire poe as his scum reads and act like this is his "solve" is also really out of character for analytical town!drixx I remember.

I wouldn't be surprised to see PB and STD paired at this point. It would explain a lot.

The problem is that I've got literally zero to work with. There's a bunch of "oh this makes sense" combinations, but none of it has an anchor point. It clearly cannot all be true, because it results in more scum than there can be.

This is the kind of stuff I was expecting town!drixx to consider - that pb might not be town mechanically, and to actually analyse players 1 by 1. the way he did it though is more like throwing shade/distancing than actually solving though

---------------------------------------------

upon reading entire iso, I think this is drixx!scum and I don't say this cause he has heat and he is in poe. I wanna check out std next,

Based on this iso only, I kinda feel std and drixx are both scum and that's why he was pushing dragon d1 while questioning std - and why he was so self focused with std read and why how he wierdly dropped that line of thinking and then brought it back up with paranoia that std -pb are scum to distance. Like the whole moves he made to drop a read seem so calculated instead of solving.

[Frozen Angel]

list is ordered

Firebringer <
Black <
Kuribo

<<

DragonEater70 <
Klick <
GuyInFreezer

Titus <
Pink Ball
Dunnstral

Feysal <
BlueSnakelet

<

Thestatusquo <<
Drixx
Frozen Angel

VOTE: Frozen Angel

I added a < in front of all dead town players and two < for players who are out of poe minutes ircher who was not in list and a <<< for myself (as Im town too). this list feels really convenient for first read list without any reasons given it feels like uniform distribution of remaining poe on different parts of reads beside the very top tier which is very appealy to the "dead/out of poe town" as the very first read list.

The reason he put me as last read is cause this is after klick dropping the "meta read" on me which made me one of the heated slots who people were consciously after.

players like std are really hard to sort for me cause they don't leave much trace about their thought process with developing reads and I'm all about reading that and interpreting them but when few days pass you can get an idea of if they were trying to do calculative moves or solve.

pg 20
dont like drixx

I guess I don't like you either. Please feel free to make a list of reasons for the dislike though. Those in game who have played with me will likely be interested and it will give them things to chew on if they're even bothering to try and sort me today.

oof scummy response

VOTE: drixx

i might have misread your tone though

VOTE: frozen angel

i still think drixx is scummy i guess

I'm sensing extreme distancing equity.

but i'm also willing to vote frozen angel :thumbs up emoji:

VOTE: Frozen angel

shea how do you feel about FA

Why do you scumread me @Save The Dragons over the people you actually engaged with/talked about who you offered scumread on to the point of advertising wagoning me like that?

i'll be honest, my vote on you was partially a reaction test to see what you'd do.

if you engaged with me +town as you've done that in a game under an alt
if you challenged me +scum as you've done that in a game as scum (Cosmos)

im still stewing on the result for certain but you pretty much did the first one

the biggest reason i sr you is because i tr klick and believed his case. the other thing is your posts seem calculated and a little performative.

honestly I town read this response from std at the time cause it felt a natural development and a fine thing to try and reaction test me with dropping his read but when you see how he was approaching other slots about voting me instead of him pushing me directly it feels like attempt was more testing water than reaction test but I still feel good about his reaction test response regardless of that response.

@Drixx - ceph finds you scummy too lmao

I need to know, what does ceph think about drixx right now?

This post continues ...

[Frozen Angel]

roughly ordered

Black <
Titus <
Pink Ball
Klick <
Thestatusquo <<
Dunnstral

Frozen Angel <<<
Firebringer

<

Kuribo <<
GuyInFreezer
DragonEater70

<

Feysal <

BlueSnakelet <
Drixx

again this has uniform distribution like before on different tiers. again ircher is missing.

I find it intresting his main scum read is drixx, yet both him and drixx have dragon eater so low in reads. drixx simply said scummiest iso was for dragon eater and as for why he went on how he flip flopped on his dun FB read which was stated by me and other before multiple time as our reason for scum read, while Idk why std had him so low too.

Ok do people not think drixxs posts can easily come from scum

this is just me keeping note of this mentality, don't have any feel on either direction about this

Drixx is happy to paint me as a reason not giver but seems uninterested in why my team is also scumreading him

Like seriously I'm biased but this is exactly how scum in the last team mafia i played treated me they called me bad and I caught them for it. I've seen it happen in other games too. They get pissy they can't attack the argument so they attack the player in an attempt to discredit.

Drixx is scum for this reason

no actual defense by std but "I also scum read drixx" makes me feel to be more than just his personality, like he doesn't feel threatened by the scum read at slightest as it might be coming from a partner? this also can be his usual reaction to random reads as town or scum so nothing to read much here

I find it interesting how std and drixx spent almost all day 1 against each other than thinking much about others.

Again just like how drixx dropped the push on std, std dropped his push on drixx out of blue

drixx i appreciate the bridge i'm not always right on my reads. perhaps you will appreciate this paraphrasing of my read on you, i'm not trying to stir shit up at the moment, i am content pressuring GIF for now.

kuribo, since you asked,

my problem with drixx arose when i saw a couple of posts of theirs that looked a lot like scum just kind of popping in to produce content. it's something kowahbunga noticed as well when i asked him to iso dive drixx. but i kept a lot of my thoughts to myself and gave kind of a vague case, i didn't post a logic and facts TM wall that people of the 2010s liked. i didn't want to just post stuff that drixx would have a convenient answer to (which drixx had for the minimal stuff i did present), i wanted to see what he would do under pressure.

when presented with my vague case against drixx, drixx proceeded to ad hom me in a way that Thor666 did in Team mafia 2015. Thor666 was scum trying to discredit my read on him. This has happened to me numerous other times, people deciding they don't like the fact i'm scumreading them so they present arguments that i am stupid or bad and not worth listening to. this is a reliable scumtell i have used so if drixx is town and ad homming he is caught in something that reliably catches scum for me and should be able to understand that.

I don't know what does that even mean. why would you type the first line about someone you still scum read?

korina thinks klick is town but odd at points and ceph i think just thinks klick is town so :/ im losing my taste for it

i'd rather do klick or drixx than black or dragoneater. cephy thinks pink ball's case on de is the best thing in the game but i'm not as convinced. cephy and i both hate the black wagon

if klick picks up i might go back but for now

VOTE: drixx

this proves he still was scum reading drixx or was portraying that mental read

[Frozen Angel]

I dunno. Dayvig makes no mech sense in this setup so I'm not weighing the reaction too heavily

But I buy it for now. I'll ask my team what they think of drixxs reaction.

UNVOTE:

can someone remind me who did the dayvig faking?

catalyst requires someone else to target your target

i had to look it up

just kidding it's not in the wiki

This feels particularly weird cause its explained in the role itself. maybe scum are not getting full role pms or maybe he was just lazy and didn't check the role cause scum are getting more roles (one for each scum)
this feels reaching, but these posts are really wierd

[Frozen Angel]

also

ircher was not missing from that reads list


BlueSnakelet is the ircher slot

Oh yeah

so yeah still mark on bluesnak slot is correct (had to be << instead of <)

still suggests std has an informed mindset with how people are distributed in his early read lists.

[Frozen Angel]

can someone remind me who did the dayvig faking?

TSQ faked the dayvig on Drixx

Im gonna try and look up that specific interaction.

for now, if you have any questions from me I'm more than happy to respond. I think between remaining slots both drixx and std are scum, with being way more certain about drixx with that iso.

I'm not scum and I don't want to be the low hanging fruit that be downfall of town in this game cause of my real life issues so genuinely will contribute as much as I can to elaborate stuff

[Frozen Angel]

also some mech talks,

I still think something about the poe isn't right cause I'm town.

mechanically I think its possible all three commuter claimers might be scum (drixx, gif, dun) and if std is scum then that's the only case the poe makes sense.

but I feel like we need to consider the possibility that somehow scum used a skill or manipulated us to belive someone is wrongly cleared, and commuter role exists. if that's the case pb is the most likely one to be faking his place in the cleared state and I would think 2 commuter fake, and tracker role not existing in game at all (which would mean tracker claim is fake - std pb are scum + 2 commuters)

we Know for a fact something is off about the 16 roles claimed cause we have either 1 extra role claimed or 1 extra vt claimer which with this state of poe makes me thinks its either commuter or tracker (well in your mind it can also be vig which was claimed by std and me but vig exists and I confirm its existance cause I have it today)

so we need to keep a mental note about state of claims while sorting poe

[Frozen Angel]

can someone remind me who did the dayvig faking?

TSQ faked the dayvig on Drixx

Im gonna try and look up that specific interaction.

for now, if you have any questions from me I'm more than happy to respond. I think between remaining slots both drixx and std are scum, with being way more certain about drixx with that iso.

I'm not scum and I don't want to be the low hanging fruit that be downfall of town in this game cause of my real life issues so genuinely will contribute as much as I can to elaborate stuff

What are your thoughts on GuyInFreezer?

You and him are my next iso

[Frozen Angel]

but they need to wait for morning cause I need to finish some work too. past few days been really hard for me cause of real-life reasons.

I still try to hang around to respond to questions tonight and interact if needed

[Frozen Angel]

gg everyone!

[Frozen Angel]

I want to add to the complaints regarding setup however, I really enjoy new designs and elements and the amnesiac features are awesome ideas. but in implementing, there are several factors to consider,

like how random power distribution is, how its impossible for scum to get rid of power roles and how having some elements by town, can potentially clear them. the design was made so scum would try and use fallacies to clear themselves like what happened in this game, but still, the fact that there are a lot of scenarios in just based on roles rotation scum has almost no chance of living out of POE is not fine balance wise.

Regardless GG everyone, and thanks for modding T-Bone <3