TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 12:34 am

In post 2724, Alisae wrote:
In post 2720, Datisi wrote:
In post 2704, mith wrote: Is it weird to anyone else that imaginality said "I targeted Gimli" rather than "I protected Gimli", defended this by saying he used "targeted" deliberately because of the night results... but despite apparently thinking through whether it was more accurate to use "targeted" or "protected" wasn't consistent about it and used "protect" four lines later?
i think you are wasting time with this. nobody that doesn't already think imaginality is scum is going to be convinced by this. i'm voting him right now and even i don't think this is indicative of his alignment at all.

but i also don't recall scum fabricating something like this, and i see shea agrees with me, so it wasn't a complete waste of time
Why don't you see wolves try to fabricate something like this?

because i don't think anyone would ever go "you know what, i wasn't sure what imag was, but now that mith pointed out the target/protect thing, i think that's what makes imag scum"

and i think scum-mith is aware of that

scum-mith is also aware that he said he's gonna reread imag and that this doesn't look great, while town-mith probably doesn't care as much

and also i don't think scum is likely to notice something like that

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 12:34 am

In post 2725, Alisae wrote:
In post 2723, Datisi wrote: i stand by what i said
There are certain players who I could mention whom have better reads than any cop results and giving them bulletproof essentially just makes them unable to be silenced.

none of them are in this game

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 12:49 am

In post 2729, Alisae wrote: you think wolf!mith doesn't just mention that to reaffirm that he feels justified in it? I don't think the desire to nitpick a detail like that comes from the desire to want to be right. Like the idea isn't its trying to convince anyone (though he might think that it does) it's the idea that it's another point mith can use against imaginality to push

no i don't think that and i don't think mith would consider that "anpther point he can use against imaginality" because the point is bad

In post 2730, Alisae wrote: Me and LLD are in this game wtf are you talking about?????

i stand by what i said

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 12:59 am

In post 2732, Alisae wrote:
In post 2731, Datisi wrote: no i don't think that and i don't think mith would consider that "anpther point he can use against imaginality" because the point is bad
if mith thought it was "bad" they wouldn't be saying it

scum-mith would recognize the point as bad and that it wouldn't help him push imag

town-mith sees a point and outs it

do you think mith is scum?

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 1:00 am

In post 2733, Alisae wrote: The Red M&M is you

staeg flipped town and lld vigged a townie but please do go on how you're more valuable than a cop

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 1:01 am

In post 2736, Alisae wrote:
In post 2734, Datisi wrote: scum-mith would recognize the point as bad and that it wouldn't help him push imag
no??????????

do you wanna make an actual scumcase on mith, because i am very bored of this conversation

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 1:13 am

In post 2739, Alisae wrote:
In post 2734, Datisi wrote: do you think mith is scum?
Yes.
I think whenever they pushed anyone was a wolf they went at it in a way that felt really slimy.

can you elaborate on this because we have zero wolf flips currently

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 2:06 am

In post 2745, Alisae wrote: I wanted to vote Gimli to see who would go along w/ it but I feel like his posting coming into the start of day is something I find hard to come from a wolf? He genuinely seems like he is unaligned given his posting at the start of the day. I really just get vibes that I feel like they're just trying to solve the game on their own and just doing their own thing.

you mean like when his reasoning for me being scum was nonexistent and where his interacting with me was plainly bad faith and also when he couldn't explain the basics of what he meant and why

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 2:11 am

In post 2749, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 2735, Datisi wrote:
In post 2733, Alisae wrote: The Red M&M is you
staeg flipped town and lld vigged a townie but please do go on how you're more valuable than a cop
Why am I catching strays?

i don't know what that means but alisae was arguing how your reads would be valuable enough for it to make sense to take bp rather than cop and (no offense but) i think that is untrue

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 2:13 am

In post 2750, Alisae wrote:
In post 2748, Datisi wrote:
In post 2745, Alisae wrote: I wanted to vote Gimli to see who would go along w/ it but I feel like his posting coming into the start of day is something I find hard to come from a wolf? He genuinely seems like he is unaligned given his posting at the start of the day. I really just get vibes that I feel like they're just trying to solve the game on their own and just doing their own thing.
you mean like when his reasoning for me being scum was nonexistent and where his interacting with me was plainly bad faith and also when he couldn't explain the basics of what he meant and why
I mean just by the guy's reads I really don't think he is playing like any kind of informed minority.
His townread on me is actually quite good and what wolf is opting to put you in the elimination pool? Why is Gimli fos'ing you if they're a wolf? What wolf in their right mind would think that you're a viable elimination? It just seems unlikely to me and honestly I feel like they might be approaching this game from a solving angle

funnily enough his posting gives me the feeling of him exactly being in an informed minority, and thus being unable to explain why he's coming up with what he's coming up because he's lying

why would he not fos me, it's not like he's put any meat behind his push or that he's trying to get me killed lol

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 2:16 am

In post 2746, Alisae wrote: 877 ages so terribly if we consider that in that moment he's siding w/ Rad but as his read on Rad progresses he starts calling Rad out for wanting to sheep me.
Like this post was just written by an informed person

i am trying to understand the point here but i just like, don't

877 is "siding with" rad sure but he's not even making any kind of alignment take on rad, he's just saying the question rad asked is legitimate (which like, scum is capable of making those, it's arguably easier than actually solving but)

is the point made here that he was defending rad but then he started suspecting rad?

actually he said he didn't hate the team in 811, which was before

doesn't change my point though, 877 says a grand *nothing* about rad's alignment and i don't see what you're trying to tell me

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 2:17 am

In post 2754, Alisae wrote: fos'ing you means getting your attention

if he townread me he would also be getting my attention due to that progression making very little sense after ceph flipped green

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 2:22 am

In post 2757, Alisae wrote: 877 is a post wolves make to try to seize the moment and push wolf agenda. This is how you would do that lol.
He's making this kind of post and he's being skeptical of rad for shady and slimy things it just screams wolf manipulation to me

i'm sorry can you explain in literal terms what is wolf-mith trying to accomplish there that isn't vague "pushing a wolf agenda" "shady and slimy things" like

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 2:31 am

i'm not being sarcastic i genuinely do not understand what your case is there

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 2:41 am

In post 2763, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: also just fyi i concur

anyone who took bp over cop is gettnig killed on sight

sorry if i insulted you, it wasn't my intention (god knows i have no right to talk about vig shots)

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 11:39 am

In post 2776, mith wrote: (I would absolutely point out the same thing as scum, though, and really Shea should know better.)

shea is asking what experience do you have in mind of him having with you when you're saying this?

Datisi · Mon May 01, 2023 9:53 pm

mith? town? yeah

hey rememeber when i said "people should vote bc otherwise we risk stagnating the game until deadline" yeah that was funny wasn't it. can the six (6) people who are not voting like do something in the near future so that people are forced to start actually playing instead of not doing that k thx

Datisi · Tue May 02, 2023 6:53 am

In post 2788, imaginality wrote: Bella wanted a Gimli flashwagon in 2386. I don't think scum push for that. Whereas Gimli raised the idea of a Cephrir wagon in 2389.

why wouldn't scum push for gimli? what's the ending thought about gimli raising an idea for cephrir?

Datisi · Tue May 02, 2023 6:58 am

imaginality's return to the thead has been... very disappointing. 2686 gave the feel of him actually going to... do some analysis. but 2788 is saying basically nothing. and it doesn't even make sense. mith was 2nd vote on rad, and split the wagons on imag/rad (look at VC in 2158) WHILE STAEG WAS ON 6 VOTES. why is mith scummy for that? imag is making a point about there being danger for scum for the collective switching to a different wagon *but there was a wagon on staeg-town with 6 votes* what?

like, if i'm reading this wrong please correct me, but i don't see what other way is to read those posts

Datisi · Tue May 02, 2023 7:02 am

In post 2788, imaginality wrote: The main pushers were mith, Menalque, LLD, Datisi maybe.

like it is certainly *a choice* to be singling out those pushing rad, while not making any sort of effort to mention the staeg wagon that was on 6 votes at one point

2686 says he's gonna look at the game with the knowledge that the wagons were tvtvt but the actual analysis is ignoring the staeg wagon and insinuating that scum were in danger therefore scum was pushing a rad wagon (and staeg's??? is it because you were on it) when i feel like the exact opposite should be the conclusion if you know that the only 3 wagons to ever take off yesterday were town town town

Datisi · Tue May 02, 2023 7:04 am

In post 2796, Bellaphant wrote: 0-edit there's something funky about all the switches but it's more than we went from ? To town to town. Like, the level zero take there is that we moved off scum, but then I can't work out why imag is mentioning it at all

yeah, that's what i'm thinking. i did write some notes down for myself about the wagon switching, but the main thing is that i had imag as scum and it made more sense

this is probs the first time in my mafia career that i say something like this, but: is imag perspective slipping?

Datisi · Tue May 02, 2023 7:07 am

In post 2791, mith wrote: Anyone care to comment on whether she makes this post as town or as scum?

i don't like the way she's arguing with you here but i'm really not sure what to make of that specific post. was hoping some of the "ali is town" people to comment on it as well

btw, if you need anything from me for the datisi reread, lemme know

Datisi · Tue May 02, 2023 7:08 am

In post 2800, Bellaphant wrote: Also, there's also no....next step? Like my wagon analysis is shit but at least I'm drawing some conclusions about quiet or absent scum.

Sorry, I know that's really lamist but I can't explain my thoughts elsewise

have you considered my response that it'd be more logical for you to look for scum on staeg wagon

and would you consider voting imag

Datisi · Tue May 02, 2023 9:11 am

In post 2807, imaginality wrote:
In post 2803, Datisi wrote:
In post 2800, Bellaphant wrote: Also, there's also no....next step? Like my wagon analysis is shit but at least I'm drawing some conclusions about quiet or absent scum.

Sorry, I know that's really lamist but I can't explain my thoughts elsewise
have you considered my response that it'd be more logical for you to look for scum on staeg wagon

and would you consider voting imag
Why is it more logical to look for scum on Staeg

because bella was arguing that "scum wanted staeg, they didn't get staeg, therefore there was no scum online to hammer"

when the more logical / more often correct solution would've been that scum was ALREADY on the staeg wagon

(and the staeg wagon was shit but that's besides the point)

Datisi · Tue May 02, 2023 9:29 am

...i don't think you're town

Datisi · Tue May 02, 2023 10:39 pm

VOTE: ythan

i still want to absolutely kill imaginality, but this kind of play from ythan is fucking unacceptable

kind of reminds me of a scumgame of hers i've seen that i remember her being lethargic in, but i don't actively recall that so pause on that

menalque still town from yesterday

bella ik you weren't saying that, with your earlier claim it'd hvae made more sense to look on wagon than for absent scum that may or may not exist but i do not care about arguing about that anymore

Datisi · Wed May 03, 2023 11:36 am

In post 2893, Ythan wrote: But I'm over it and gonna do my best to get back into it there's just a lot so please bear with me.

when is this happening and are your teammates following along this game at all

Datisi · Wed May 03, 2023 1:24 pm

In post 2904, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: And how did zero people correct this?

ngl i lowkey thought this was some sorta quadruple digit IQ reaction test and i didn't wanna ruin it

Datisi · Wed May 03, 2023 1:26 pm

VOTE: imaginality

Datisi · Wed May 03, 2023 11:35 pm

In post 2947, implosion wrote: mith (2): Gimli, imaginality
Ythan (1): Bellaphant
Menalque (1): Marashu

Not Voting (2): Lady Lambdadelta, Ythan

hey you know what would be very cool if these people did

if they clicked the vote button and then typed "imaginality" i hear all the cool kids are doing it

Datisi · Thu May 04, 2023 6:52 am

this is like the second time titus accused me of being partnered with someone, and considering her historical read of me hasn't been great afaik, i would like to know more

Datisi · Thu May 04, 2023 8:11 pm

In post 2988, Marashu wrote: Reviewing imag since that's a slot that I'm pretty unconvinced about. My team figures scum team is in {Gimli, Bella, imaginality, Datisi, LLD, mith}.

do we get like, any Explanations

with that or something

In post 2995, mith wrote: And I’ve noticed LLD keeps positioning as willing to lim imaginality without actually voting there

i really don't think this is partner-indicative for lld, this doesn't stop the imag yeet and doesn't give her towncred, all it does is give some ~wifom defense~ which like i don't think it's worth it

In post 2999, Andante wrote: (I'm supposed to graduate in like a week, so I'm here but not exactly, however I'll definitely get into this, this weekend (2 days))

congrats!!!

imag is currently on the blocc so it's probably the best idea to start there. did your team give you anything when you replaced in?

Datisi · Fri May 05, 2023 11:09 am

In post 3022, mith wrote: Do you think partner-LLD outright defends imaginality in that position (more like Alisae's D1 play after the claim)? Hard bus? What do you think she does?

i think she judges whether imag is going down or not, whether she can realistically influence that, how valuable he is to her team, etc. and then commits to a position. this kinda in-the-middle play just doesn't strike me as likely, bc it doesn't do anything to save imag and it doesn't do anything to make her look good off his flip either so.

note that i'm obv rereading all interactions if/when imag flips red, and i have been checked out of the game for a bit so i am kind of working off memory, so

in relation to that, @everyone:

give a good reason to not vote imag and who to vote instead, or vote imag, we're otherwise not progressing here

Datisi · Fri May 05, 2023 11:44 am

lol i've lowkey lost faith that's happening but yeah sure

Datisi · Sat May 06, 2023 11:16 pm

In post 3044, Andante wrote: cause he's the only person trying to help me out here?

hey remember when i said you should start with reading imaginality and also to ask your team what they had on this game and i got ignored? yes very cool

Datisi · Sun May 07, 2023 2:37 am

why didn't you

Datisi · Sun May 07, 2023 2:42 am

why didn't you dig into me

Datisi · Sun May 07, 2023 3:25 am

sorry about the headaches and the work being hell

i can understand not digging into me yet there, i guess. i was mostly interested bc you singled me out as one of the 4 in 2788. arguably you said i was a maybe

but then later on you did say at least 2/3 in that group (2934) and i don't think it can be said you dug into any one of them today so

Datisi · Sun May 07, 2023 3:33 am

uh

what

Datisi · Sun May 07, 2023 3:34 am

In post 3089, Andante wrote: I have been convinced

by whom and why

Datisi · Sun May 07, 2023 3:39 am

didn't you say mith was scum and that you don't wanna vote out a doc claim

Datisi · Sun May 07, 2023 4:09 am

In post 3093, Datisi wrote: didn't you say mith was scum and that you don't wanna vote out a doc claim

Datisi · Sun May 07, 2023 4:16 am

In post 3104, Andante wrote: but like, everyone was voting here, seems like no one had intentions to go elsewhere, skimming mith's case it seems like a good place to vote, so I did, then went "oh yeah, doc claim.. eeek" fun facts

are you claiming you forgot imag was the doc claim when you read mith's case and hammered???

Datisi · Sun May 07, 2023 4:20 am

so you forgot that you suspected mith (because why are you listening to the person you suspect) and you also forgot imag is the doc claim (when you entered the game screaming how you don't wanna vote the doc claim)

like you said "why are y'all voting the doc claim" and then it didn't occur to you to check whether you're being asked to vote the doc claim

Datisi · Sun May 07, 2023 4:22 am

In post 3043, Andante wrote: also, if that's just 2 people who sr mith, I'm sure there's more,
so we agree mith is maf
, but we're voting out someone who cased mith?

Datisi · Sun May 07, 2023 4:26 am

surely you don't actually think that scum is incapable of writing that many words

Datisi · Sun May 07, 2023 4:30 am

you literally fucking hammered the

yknow what i'll stop posting

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 8:32 am

so uh, massclaim?

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 8:34 am

do you know what massclaim means

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 8:35 am

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 8:41 am

unironically i do not understand what you're saying or how it has relevance

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 8:53 am

i am aware

i asked whether we should *mass*claim, though

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 10:03 am

i think in one older version of pyp we played, we (led by s_s) did claiming in reverse-draft order, BUT with vts not claiming what they drafted so that they can potentially catch a higher scum in a lie

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 10:06 am

In post 3181, Alisae wrote: honestly I think wolves just by this day phase alone in mith bella datisi mena

how in the fuck is andante not on this list

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 10:07 am

can you stop being condescending towards me and actually reply?

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 10:12 am

In post 3190, Datisi wrote: can you stop being condescending towards me and actually reply?

@alisae

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 10:15 am

In post 3203, Alisae wrote:
In post 3202, Datisi wrote:
In post 3190, Datisi wrote: can you stop being condescending towards me and actually reply?
@alisae

In post 3192, Alisae wrote: I think going into this day phase every player that's not me is going to want to be like "YA I WANNA KILL ANDANTE"
It's going to be the same people that wanted to kill Rad and Imaginality.

how is that a response to what i said

why is andante town

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 10:20 am

i didn't say anything about andante this dayphase and as far as i can see neither has mena

also, "these people are wolves bc they're gonna be pushing andate" > "andante is town bc she's being pushed by wolves" is lmao

your responses to me asking abt massclaim and 3189 are incredibly condescending

like even if andante is being "pushed by wolves" that doesn't make her town here and i think you should know that so i don't see how your list makes sense but

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 10:23 am

i have said zero (0) things about mith today

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 10:52 am

In post 3264, Menalque wrote:
In post 3225, Datisi wrote: i have said zero (0) things about mith today
Dats I’m just quoting this randomly if you see it can you come and claim pls

thank, i'm in middle of gameing

i'm neighbourizer, targeted mena n1 and ythan n2

ok bye

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 10:56 am

In post 3276, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 3274, Datisi wrote:
In post 3264, Menalque wrote:
In post 3225, Datisi wrote: i have said zero (0) things about mith today
Dats I’m just quoting this randomly if you see it can you come and claim pls
thank, i'm in middle of gameing

i'm neighbourizer, targeted mena n1 and ythan n2

ok bye
needs to be confirmed by those slots as being real, but i'm sort of considering those targets a scum claim, Datisi

why

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 11:27 am

In post 3287, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 3282, Alisae wrote: takes not claims*
that low in the draft, possibly yes, if they have partners in high drafting positions, more specifically if they are partnered with Ythan who can take cop and be scum cop.

it WOULD mean Mena is town, but i just think those neighbourizing choices are super sus over other more obviously effective choices

hi can you pls explain to me what you consider that town-me does there and why these are bad choices

others are right tho, i always hood mena. this is not AI. i would hood him even if we were both scum because i'd expect someone to call me out for *not* hooding mena

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 11:30 am

In post 3318, Menalque wrote: you're so loyal, I probs would've hooded Ali or something

you wanna fucking go

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 11:37 am

In post 3239, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 3216, Datisi wrote: i didn't say anything about andante this dayphase and as far as i can see neither has mena

also, "these people are wolves bc they're gonna be pushing andate" > "andante is town bc she's being pushed by wolves" is lmao

your responses to me asking abt massclaim and 3189 are incredibly condescending

like even if andante is being "pushed by wolves" that doesn't make her town here and i think you should know that so i don't see how your list makes sense but
okay so instead of disappearing behind whatever condescending nonsense I'll receive from mena next and only talking about what you aren't sayign, what ARE you saying?

is this a "what are you talking about with alisae" question or "what are your thoughts on andante" question

the first one is trying to understand alisae's thought process bc it doesn't make sense to me but she is pushing it really confidently and trying to discredit me and that is something is think is more likely to be coming from scum!her

the second one is very likely scum but on the small chance that it's not, holding out hope i figure it out soon

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 12:22 pm

oh yeah i forgor:

@implo, v/la thursday and friday

got some Extra bs irl that day, should still be more or less around but just in case

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 11:51 pm

what's funny, when i went to bed i thought "gee, i hope the game is gonna be normal while i'm asleep", glad to see y'all did the opposite of that

In post 3417, mith wrote:
In post 3412, Alisae wrote:
In post 3410, Ythan wrote: She definitely does if she's scum I think it's fairly obvious and I've stated why. It would be one thing if you disagreed and said why but you're kinda just ignoring the facts.
ok, this is me disagreeing. She has teammates if she’s a wolf they would probably just tell her to do x and they would have done it already
kuribo and I are discussing this: They would do this if her claim was nailed down prior to massclaim. If she’s scum with Ythan, thar would be the case, they could have already worked out what their claims would be. But it Ythan is town and the plan is to claim VT, scum have to wait to see other claims before they can try to guess Ythan’s.

On the other hand: why would scum put her in a position of fakeclaiming VT in the first place? If that player needs the coaching, why make it depend on stuff happening in real time?

i'm kind of confused why scum would fakeclaim VT in the first place, especially scum higher up like that. roles aren't alignment indicative.

i can think of... 1 reason for a scum PR to fakeclaim VT, but i'm not sure if it applies here, and if it were the case, it would require some actual back and forth in the scum PT and planning, so idk if andante would then be stalling for a claim...

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 11:54 pm

In post 3383, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 3379, Ythan wrote: Lld Titus offers a hug and I will throw one in as well. She says she's around if you wanna communicate through me, maybe slow though.
i am sort of willing to take you up on this depending on what your draft pick was

quoting to ping you, could you please answer my 3317? it's fine if you want to wait for massclaim to finish or something, but i don't like being ignored >_>

Datisi · Tue May 09, 2023 11:55 pm

In post 3469, Alisae wrote: You town
Andante is probably town but if you said you had a guilty on it I would just believe you

how did you come to this level of townread on ythan

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 12:16 am

In post 3496, Alisae wrote:
In post 3495, Datisi wrote:
In post 3469, Alisae wrote: You town
Andante is probably town but if you said you had a guilty on it I would just believe you
how did you come to this level of townread on ythan
They're town from these last few pages. Do you not see it? I'm actually kind of concerned...

fam why do you turn every question i ask of you into trying to make me look as bad as possible

i don't see it in the last few pages, no

how did you go from "these people are scum cuz scum wanna kill andante" to "if you claim a guilty on andante i trust you"?

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 12:23 am

i skimmed the last few pages because they seemed like pointless back and forth

i can try to reread them later if you want but like

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 2:10 am

In post 3511, Alisae wrote: Can anyone vouch for 3505?

*raises hand*

i was in all 3 of mena's recent scumgames and this isn't really it fam

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 2:14 am

i said this in hood so i don't feel like writing it all out again but

i don't think andante is scum for the claim / stalling for claim / reaplceout. i don't think she's town for it either, i think it's NAI.

but i DO think it's scummy how she hammered after strongly going against the vote,

and then had no logical explanation for why she did what she did

. town!andante uses ridiculous moonlogic but she does use logic.

and i do think the rest of her d3 play is scummy. i think town-andante is likely to have some kinda thought process on who's scum in the game and who's town and why. (again, it's likely to be moonlogic not understandable to me at all but it would be there.) as opposed to this, which felt like... random garbage not related to the game at all

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 2:17 am

In post 3506, Alisae wrote:
In post 3501, Datisi wrote:
In post 3496, Alisae wrote:
In post 3495, Datisi wrote:
In post 3469, Alisae wrote: You town
Andante is probably town but if you said you had a guilty on it I would just believe you
how did you come to this level of townread on ythan
They're town from these last few pages. Do you not see it? I'm actually kind of concerned...
fam why do you turn every question i ask of you into trying to make me look as bad as possible

i don't see it in the last few pages, no

how did you go from "these people are scum cuz scum wanna kill andante" to "if you claim a guilty on andante i trust you"?
ok I am genuinely concerned because Ythan's last few pages did not come across as wolf gambity and the way they stood their ground was really obvtown...
I'm concerned you didn't notice...

ok i read them i don't think it's townie at all. it's like, the first time ythan has done ANYTHING this game, and it was only done by titus feeding her what to say. i don't have a high opinion on ythan's scumgame and this definitely doesn't make me think the slot's town.

so, can you now explain to me why you thought ythan is so townie there?

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 2:41 am

what did titus do that's townie

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 2:59 am

In post 3545, Alisae wrote:
In post 3542, Datisi wrote: what did titus do that's townie
everything on those past few pages…what she did is how she hunts.

all she did was ask questions... even if that is how she hunts as town, that's surely not that difficult to fake

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 3:23 am

In post 3565, Bellaphant wrote: I don't think dats is scum mainly for their approach to other slots, including mine.

@dats tho, why ythan?

i don't understand the question, why what ythan?

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 3:26 am

In post 3559, Alisae wrote: Dats it’s not they’re asking questions
It’s the intent behind their questions and what they’re doing with those questions.

Ur not getting more out of me on this I’m going to bed, but when I’m talking to you I feel like I have to explain every detail of it and I can’t tell if you just dont get it or if it’s intentional

i've not played a lot with titus, when i did play with her it was generally a clownfest and i can't read her. i don't see the intent behind those questions which is why i'm asking this in the first place.

like sure i can see the intent that i'm supposed to see, titus is trying to solve you, very cool. but i really don't think that intent is difficult at all to fake there, especially via the game of telephone, and i'm confused why you're seeing it as so townie

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 3:26 am

In post 3568, Bellaphant wrote: Sorry, I thought you said you neighbours them?

oh yeah i did

i'll answer this later if you don't mind

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 3:34 am

In post 3571, Bellaphant wrote: How do you read me btw?

still a scumlean due to d1 shenanigans, and i'm getting the feeling you're trying to pocket me on d3

*but* you have weird associates with both ythan and gimli/andante, especially the latter, and i think it would be easier to sort you after figuring out what the fuck was happening there (yes i'm making an excuse for not comparing that right now bc massclaim isn't finished, shhh)

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 6:57 am

currently drinking but lld why is andante town for this and is there a reason ypu are repeatedly ignoring me

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 7:03 am

i am not menalque and i am trying to play the game

i'm sorry you're having a bad experience but i am not him

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 7:07 am

mena and i have been friends for years

but that doesn't mean i am the same as him or that i agree with everything he says

i am trying to play the game

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 7:09 am

this argument has nothing to do with y'all alignments

i am trying to solve y'all alignments

like i did not even read the latest posts because i am currently in a pub and i'm just trying to plsy the game

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 7:10 am

In post 3616, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: aight so you ever gonna be up for killing them?

if he were scum i'd have no problem voting him

but i don't think he's scum

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 7:10 am

In post 3620, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 3618, Ythan wrote: Killing your friends is the best part of Mafia.
a thing i do not think Datisi will do

what are you trying to imply here?

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 7:17 am

i have no idea what the recent contradiction is about bc it goes against what i know about jingle

but i don't agree that scum-him would surely disengage here

this is coloured by my read on him otherwise which was historically accurate sure but like i don't think scum mena gains anything from this

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 7:23 am

In post 3633, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 3631, Datisi wrote:
i have no idea what the recent contradiction is about bc it goes against what i know about jingle

but i don't agree that scum-him would surely disengage here

this is coloured by my read on him otherwise which was historically accurate sure but like i don't think scum mena gains anything from this
Dunnstral wants to know more about this

afaik jingle always gives correct mech regardless of alignment so no idea whta mena is on claiming that he manipulates it as towm

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 7:23 am

manipulates it as scum* obv

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 7:26 am

In post 3632, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 3631, Datisi wrote: i have no idea what the recent contradiction is about bc it goes against what i know about jingle

but i don't agree that scum-him would surely disengage here

this is coloured by my read on him otherwise which was historically accurate sure but like i don't think scum mena gains anything from this
you don't think that my known history with both JINGLE AND KOBA on their team to inform them of this at nothing else of refusing to back down from shit like this doesn't mean they're using this as an obfuscade?

If they can make no one want to interact with either of us, they can direct town that way. That's a Jingle strat, 100%.

And the personal stuff is a Koba touch because Koba has actual 0 boundaries.

This feels to me like what has happened.

i don't think mena would do that snd even if they told him to like argue with you back and forth and go on full personal tactically i don't think he woulfd listen

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 7:27 am

In post 3636, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 3634, Datisi wrote:
In post 3633, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 3631, Datisi wrote:
i have no idea what the recent contradiction is about bc it goes against what i know about jingle

but i don't agree that scum-him would surely disengage here

this is coloured by my read on him otherwise which was historically accurate sure but like i don't think scum mena gains anything from this
Dunnstral wants to know more about this
afaik jingle always gives correct mech regardless of alignment so no idea whta mena is on claiming that he manipulates it as towm
okay but I know for 100% he doesn't and WAIT A SEC YOU DO TOO WTF

YOU LITERALLY WERE PART OF OUR ELECTION SCUMTEAM WHEN JINGLE GAVE PURPOSEFULLY BAD MECH DAY 1 TO HARM TOWN AND I CALLED HIM ON IT TO DO DISTANCING BETWEEN US

what

literally all i remember from that gsme from him mech wise was that he said we should true claim

granted i wasn't paying that much attention that game because i was in a kind of bad place so if i missed it that's my bad

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 7:28 am

i feel like i said in the thread in election that bingle always gives correct mech regardless of alignment and thts he agreed with that

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 7:30 am

can ydra provide sourcws

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 7:42 am

ok thanks i'll take a look when i get home

can you tell me what xou find scummy about my hood choices now?

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 7:48 am

i told you why i hooded mena (who was actually descently caught up on hood) and i would've expected you specifically to understand why i hooded ythan

Datisi · Wed May 10, 2023 7:54 am

we spoke about the game at some points throughout the day

i haven't been paying attention exactly how much was he caught up and what he was saying in thread, i can look later but at the time it didn't feel weird to me

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 4:14 am

In post 3657, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 3654, Datisi wrote: i told you why i hooded mena (who was actually descently caught up on hood) and i would've expected you specifically to understand why i hooded ythan
okay now THAT is a weird comment

I'm not seeing a good reason at all why I should know specifically why you hooded ythan, but i'm also on painkillers so

weren't you also one of the people that agreed that if someone picked bulltproof rather than cop, they need to be policy'ed because it's such an anti-town pick?

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 4:18 am

In post 2763, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: also just fyi i concur

anyone who took bp over cop is gettnig killed on sight

yeah, you did

neighbourizer is a prime tool to (dis)confirm an ascetic, especially when scum is multitasking it's mechanically useless

so your immediate jump to calling my targets a scumclaim or whatever is ???

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 4:28 am

In post 3681, mith wrote: Question for Datisi: Were you aware of Mena always picking 1 in PYP? (Or do you have a counterexample where he didn't?)

no and no

i have played one pyp game with mena where he picked 1 (the other one, he funnily enough replaced into a slot that picked 1)

if i had known he was gonna pick 1, i wouldn't have picked it

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 4:30 am

In post 3697, Ythan wrote: I'm the ascetic cop of course.

Titus asks that I present the following: I have a guilty and a clear and a nothing among Andante, LLD, and Bellaphant. Who does everyone think is which, then I will reveal the answer.

the same order that you named them (guilty andante, clear lld, nothing bella)

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 4:43 am

In post 3766, Ythan wrote: Datisi's targets make more sense if he was trying to find the ascetic.

considering how much time i had spent arguing that i'm policyvoting whoever claims bulletproof... yes? yes, that is exactly the point?

In post 3769, Ythan wrote: I have a question for Datisi next time he's present for some real time engagement.

i am more or less around

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 4:51 am

yeah i think the claim is that scum!ythan ALWAYS takes bulletproof and not cop, and since i confirmed that she is not a bulletproof

which doesn't make sense to me at all but a lot of things that lld's said today don't make sense to me, so

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 4:58 am

ok i am more or less caught up and i am going to the cafeteria now but i'll be phoneposting here and there

@ythan - why did titus make you do the game of guessing the results?

@lld - why do you think this can't be a ythan/jjh gambit thing? and also, how did you come to your worldview that you did today? because from my pov, you suddenly decided that mith is town and that ythan is town and the thing with my hood targets last night and i'm like.

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 6:16 am

In post 3899, mith wrote: Datisi: Whose idea was it to target Ythan N2? Were you already planning to do this or did Mena suggest it first?
Why did you not target Ythan N1?

it was actually ausuka that first had that idea on n2 - because it's around that time that both mena and i were talking about (1) we agree that a bulletproof rather than cop would be a scumclaim, (2) that ythan's slot was likely the cop/bp bracket

i wasn't thinking about (1) on n1 and i didn't know (2) on n1

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 6:24 am

In post 3900, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: Ythan has been town since page 10, Mith has been town since page 50? I think? They're both D1 town reads that have continued to be town

i'm saying suddenly decided becuase (1) you brought up a great point on why ythan being town who has a guilty on andante-slot is odd (if andante scum, then scumteam knew ythan is the cop, why is she alive) that got brushed aside

(2) you had mith town on d1 yeah, but you also had me as town but you decided i was likely(?) scum because my hood choices (which i feel like you should be able to understand why i hood mena even if you don't agree with me, and you said yourself that ythan takes bp as scum so how was that a bad choice) while mith has continued to be town for ??? reasons and i don't get why

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 6:25 am

In post 3903, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: it looks like a cop hunting choice to me, Dats.

IT IS A COP HUNTING CHOICE I HAVE SAID THAT PUBLICLY MULTIPLE TIMES

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 6:28 am

how are you both making claims that

if ythan is town, then jjh is scum, and scum likely knew that ythan is a cop

AND

datisi is scum that was trying to hunt for cop by neighbourizing ythan

even after agreeing with me and saying yourself that a bp is a scum role

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 6:31 am

i was literally the FIRST one to say "if the bp/cop slot claims bp i'm murdering that instantly"

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 6:33 am

you're making claims as if you know me, you're claiming "oh targeting mena is a scumclaim targeting ythan is a scumclaim" you have one completed game with me where i was town, and that was the game where you vigged me n1 after not doing anything d1

even though others are telling you that i'm friends with mena for years now and where i was THE FIRST ONE to say i'm killing any bp claims on the spot

like why do you think you know town!me THAT WELL?

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 6:34 am

In post 3915, Ythan wrote: Walk me through how you interpreted last night's results.

mine? "ok, ythan's prob a cop regardless of her alignment, let's see how massclaim plays out"

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 6:35 am

In post 3916, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: You're making this argument to me and saying you AGREED with me Scum take Bulletproof logic, and then turning to Mena and going "
yeah i don't agree with LLD's logic, but when have i ever lul
"

what

sorry what is the bolded referring to?

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 6:39 am

yeah what's the issue

i'm saying that if ythan's taken bulletproof, she's scum

you're saying if ythan's scum, she's taken bulletproof

those are not equivalent statements

this is re: 3921

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 6:39 am

In post 3922, Ythan wrote:
In post 3898, Datisi wrote: ok i am more or less caught up and i am going to the cafeteria now but i'll be phoneposting here and there

@ythan - why did titus make you do the game of guessing the results?
You sure you're caught up

if i missed some sorta solving that titus/you put out as a result of this exercise, please point me towards it

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 6:40 am

In post 3923, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: I completed a full game with scum you as well.

But meta means nothing and your flailing return to meta as a defense as if that's the reason for my observations is noted and should be noted by any townie who looks at this.

you're making claims that are unfounded by anything and then accusing me of flailing when i ask you to explain where you're getting them

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 6:43 am

In post 3927, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 3924, Datisi wrote: yeah what's the issue

i'm saying that if ythan's taken bulletproof, she's scum

you're saying if ythan's scum, she's taken bulletproof

those are not equivalent statements

this is re: 3921
They're equivilent enough.

The logic required to use your Neighbour to cop search and the logic I presented today are the same logic but you insult me to mena to earn points there about that logic and then use that logic to defend yourself from me.

both sides of moth.

nah nah nah

all i said is that if i get a non-ascetic result on ythan and then she claims bp, then she's scum - that is why i taregted her in the first place

you are turning it into "well ythan always takes bp as scum and if her guilty flips green, don't shoot the cop, shoot datisi" which from my pov should be very obvious why that is bad?

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 6:48 am

what am i ignoring

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 7:38 pm

probably won't be around too much today bc i did *not* sleep well last night, and also it's my bday so

In post 3944, Alisae wrote:
In post 3887, Menalque wrote: @Ali why don't you think that the lld/ythan stuff from the first 10 pages isn't S/S? like I think it's unlikely scum!ythan goes after town!lld that way, I think it's significantly more possible that scum!ythan would especially if lld had given her the go ahead
Any time I wanted to even fos lld she screamed @ me in wolf pt, even if me fos lld wouldn’t do anything cuz no one would care, she screamed at me and accused me of throwing

Idunno it doesn’t make sense to me for Ythan to pick a fight w/ lld like that.
How r u on a team with Jingle who was a witness to most of that yet ur still saying this?

by this point i wasn't even reading the scum PT, but why was she yelling at you? bc we did theatre that game without much yelling

mith is probably right in asking why doesn't ythan fake a guilty on him. because like, in a town-mith scenario, ythan is confscum after jjh flip, and i know that she's the cop (i.e. isn't bulletproof). that's not great for the scumteam there. i thought that wasn't the case bc why would lld spend so much time using questionable logic to convince mith to totally not shoot ythan upon jjh green flip, but that plan requires scum to convince mith it's exactly jjh/me/ythan, so

probably either ythan/lld/mith or none of them

i guess ythan could theoretically be scum without either of them, but i had a thought before why she doesn't make sense as scum without lld, i'll see if i can find it later

bella/alisae/jjh? i started feeling alisae was townie around wherever the fuck she posted that pepe

ali, i feel like you may have 2/3 but are clowning on my alignment. do you have reasons to townread lld other than "she doesn't have partners"? because i feel like those things you're pointing out as non-partnery would be like, not that difficult to fake

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 7:48 pm

In post 3465, Alisae wrote: that is also partially why I townread you.
I know how Titus interrogates her scumreads as town and this is it.

it just occurred to me that this was like, today

i think it's safe to assume that, if ythan's town, scum knew she's cop by start of d3 one way or any other, right

and 3156 is like. lol.

first this is why i doubt the point of titus' exercise and also i will reread d3 w this in mind

but why does alisae go with titus is town actually this is town titus and like she's literally saying that if ythan has a guilty she believes her right?

to this

oh god if ali's town and bella/jjh are also town we're highkey fucked cool cool cool

ok i have to go get ready now

Datisi · Thu May 11, 2023 7:48 pm

thank you!

Datisi · Sat May 13, 2023 6:06 am

i think in every other universe i would be super snarky towards LLD right now for posts around 3977 but i feel really bad about the hives so i'm sending an oog <3 instead

also thank you others for the wishes

In post 3990, Bellaphant wrote: @datisi, why are high-key fucked?

because like

i don't know if alisae will ever listen to me and the way today's been going so far it feels like getting a yeet onto you/jjh wouldn't be that difficult for scum so y'know

In post 3999, Alisae wrote: This is for the people who think I'm Andante's teammate

Bellaphant - votes staeg
Datisi - votes staeg
Lady Lambdadelta - votes staeg
Menalque - votes staeg
mith - votes staeg
Ythan - votes staeg

what

Datisi · Sat May 13, 2023 6:11 am

i'm reading the mith/ali argument on pg 162 and i thought that was saying exactly what mith said, but apparently alisae says that that is a misrep, so what is it

Datisi · Sat May 13, 2023 6:27 am

it is kind of annoying seeing lld claiming that staeg had good reads but her currently solve is me/jjh and staeg had me as ~gigatown~ and gimli as leaning town

they back off staeg once, sure, people backed off imag at some points in d1 as well

"scum knows there's a cop in top 2, shoot the one with the bigger threat level" i was there at d1 arguing that staeg was town. there were people pushing there for ??? that i called out at the time. like this order of events doesn't actually make sense with me/jjh being scum at all

Datisi · Sat May 13, 2023 7:50 am

In post 4167, Bellaphant wrote: @datisi, I don't think I'm the lim here for lots of reasons?

probably not, no

what's your current thoughts on what we should do?

Datisi · Mon May 15, 2023 11:26 am

In post 4299, mith wrote: We're about 4 days from deadline at this point. In the next day or so I would like to hear from everyone regarding:

1. Who is the lim today? (Alisae, I would like you to answer this independent of your "doublevoter" status with LLD)
2. Who do I shoot tonight? (Contingent on the various flip possibilities)

assuming this is asking who i'd *want* to lim today

1. ythan - my actual preferred yeet is lld, but since she cannot be scum without ythan being scum, yknow
2. lld / jjh depending on the flip

Datisi · Mon May 15, 2023 11:51 am

*checks ythan's iso*

*she hasn't posted anything to "focus on" for god knows how long*

yes very cool

Datisi · Tue May 16, 2023 3:49 am

that is correct, he hooded me n1 and i went for RB (he first said he didn't wanna claim that lmfao)

anyway, if lld/ythan are scum - then i think mena's even more town than before. because lld based quite a bit of her push on me about the hood mech, and i don't really think she'd have done that had she known in advance i'm not the neighbourizer

Datisi · Tue May 16, 2023 4:00 am

mena's

well, jingle's

Datisi · Tue May 16, 2023 4:18 am

because i thought mena's town and there was a potential to catch a scum jk in a lie

Datisi · Tue May 16, 2023 5:13 am

In post 4438, jjh927 wrote: Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how

had ythan decided to claim BP and her teammate explain the hooding failure by saying "ackchually i jailkept datisi n2 that's why the hooding failed lole"

alterantively, they claim tracker that has tracked me/mena to somehwere we didn't go

i was planning to out it, but i wanted to chat with mena first about the reactions to "my" hood choices, but then he got busy and i didn't feel like playing and the clock ran down a bit so oops

Datisi · Tue May 16, 2023 5:16 am

yes

it's mena that did it, not me, but yes

Datisi · Tue May 16, 2023 5:26 am

not *as* locktown as he has me, but i highly doubt scum-mena would be this capable of being caught up and contributing to the game, both in the hood and main thread, so

In post 4447, Bellaphant wrote: There's not another way, from your pov, that the neighbours could have failed that isn't ythan aesthetic cop?

as far as i understand, it's either
- ythan is ascetic
- mena said "i'm selecting ythan to hood" and then didn't select jack shit
- there's a scum jk that blocked menalque and then didn't claim

i don't think the latter is possible, unless scum decided to block mena, knew he's a neighbourizer, and figured we would target ythan

which i don't think is... realistically ever gonna happen? don't know who'd be the 3rd scum in that scenario anyway

Datisi · Tue May 16, 2023 5:29 am

bella, can you give me a tl;dr on how your read on me progressed in this day phase?

Datisi · Tue May 16, 2023 6:10 am

In post 4451, mith wrote:
In post 4433, Datisi wrote: that is correct, he hooded me n1 and i went for RB (he first said he didn't wanna claim that lmfao)
Why RB?

the short answer is i wanted to make big brain plays

the long answer is i once saw s_s pick RB as town and help wreck the game with it, and i've historically had poor luck as a town RB and wanted to try to make up for it

In post 4452, mith wrote:
In post 3901, Datisi wrote: it was actually ausuka that first had that idea on n2 - because it's around that time that both mena and i were talking about (1) we agree that a bulletproof rather than cop would be a scumclaim, (2) that ythan's slot was likely the cop/bp bracket
Also, can you/Mena confirm whether this response was accurate? Your team suggested the Ythan target?

that is true, my team was the one to suggest it first

Datisi · Sat May 20, 2023 11:37 pm

oh joy.

i'm not planning to fight too hard about my own yeet here, i expect i'm flipping at some point, and it's infinitely better for it to be today rather than tomorrow. i do think it's very likely just bella (still think mena's town based on the amount and quality of things he's done, and mith being scum would be... fucking amazing tbh but i highly doubt it), but if we're living in a fucked up world where it's not her, i wanna at least attempt to figure that out today. i'll probably reread parts of the game over the course of the irl day.

@bella, can you answer my 4450 from yesterday? 4599 doesn't really make sense to me, considering you explicitly had me as strongest townread at start of d3.

Datisi · Sun May 21, 2023 1:39 am

In post 4756, Bellaphant wrote: my reads hae circled back to day one

can this be elaborated upon?

Datisi · Sun May 21, 2023 8:04 am

mwna had been in favour of yeeting jjh publicly for a while, no?

if bella didn't allow for hammer while i was asleep, o would've hammered it when i woke up. her vote there doesn't really... mean much

Datisi · Sun May 21, 2023 8:13 am

In post 4775, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 4773, Datisi wrote: mwna had been in favour of yeeting jjh publicly for a while, no?

if bella didn't allow for hammer while i was asleep, o would've hammered it when i woke up. her vote there doesn't really... mean much
You know I struggle to believe this right? I know townie you does this but you were hardset on a Ythan scum path

yes becausw i was scumreading you. but if it came to either jjh yeet or no yeet, it's obviously better to yeet jjh

i was trying to solve with mena in the hood where i wouldn't constantly get ignored or yelled at. it's up to him to decide how that looks, doubt i can convince you of anything anyway

Datisi · Sun May 21, 2023 8:15 am

WHY would we be scum for the role trade? we outed it the same day

Datisi · Sun May 21, 2023 8:17 am

kind of hard to do that when you keep going "there are these totally bad associates, trust me bro" which doesn't let me respond to them, and all other responses that i had was "i don't think town you does that" "this reminds me of hod" "this makes sense from your pov but i don't care about it" how do you expect me to convince you of anything when you shut down whatever i say?

Datisi · Sun May 21, 2023 8:19 am

In post 4786, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 4783, Datisi wrote: WHY would we be scum for the role trade? we outed it the same day
Cause it's an example of manipulative power that I think one of you is exerting over the other without the other knowing.

do you think we wouldn't have done it if we were tvt?

Datisi · Sun May 21, 2023 8:21 am

nwighbourizer is mechanically useless

we were next to each other in draft

what is there to be paranoid about??

Datisi · Sun May 21, 2023 8:24 am

In post 4795, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: I certainly wouldn't ever if I was towm but I'm a paranoid freak of a player.

A paranoid freak who was right all yesterday but a paranoid freak all the same.

I mean, fucks sakes.

Dats if you are town and I'm confirmed town why didn't our cross suspicion end up costing town the game?

because they started yesterday and yesterday was between jjh and ythan???

Datisi · Sun May 21, 2023 8:24 am

like, are you trying to provoke me into getting frustrated? because i would much rather you vote me out today than me lose more nerves about mafia

Datisi · Sun May 21, 2023 8:27 am

like, mena is giving a possible world for me being town, which you're asking for, and you're turning it into "ah so you're saying they're scum" like come the fuck on

Datisi · Sun May 21, 2023 8:35 am

ok i'm gonna fuck off from this thread fir a bit before i say something i don't want to say

Datisi · Sun May 21, 2023 11:46 am

In post 4843, mith wrote: Datisi, D2: Explain the thought process for voting Ythan and then moving back to imaginality.

d2 feels so far ago by now

i don't think there's much to explain. i thought imaginality was scummy and wanted him dead. but i also thought that ythan was playing sort of like her scumgame that i've seen a bit ago, that you are town (mena and i agreed on this in hood) and that the fact that you were one of the main wagons, if not the main wagon at the time, was Bad. and i also knew mena would also be willing to vote ythan with me, i think we'd talked about that in the hood as well.

also, i think i recall alisae being suspicious of ythan? (i'm not checking that iso) so it's like, ythan was a possible scum to me, i knew there was potential to get that wagon going there, and to stop the mith wagon in the meantime that i didn't like. and i also expected ythan to actually, like, *do things* as town that's getting wagoned.

like, i'm not a player that is always voting the person that i think has the biggest % chance of flipping scum. that was imag at the time, but i saw value in getting a ythan train going.

as for swapping back to imag - that vote didn't make sense to me rn looking at the main thread, but checking the hood, me and mena were discussing voting ythan vs voting imag, and we eventually settled to imag being more likely scum, which is why both of us swapped the vote there in a relatively short amount of time

Datisi · Sun May 21, 2023 11:57 am

In post 4756, Bellaphant wrote: In what world is my first interaction with my scum partner the one I quoted there?

Like, I fucking had him in one post. I said to you yesterday that my reads hae circled back to day one and day one it was gimli and datisi for a long time.

i'm reskimming d1 and looking back this isn't like, a good point

386 is a throwaway post and i struggle to see bella thinking that level of interaction is actually clearing? scum distance all the time. she wasn't even voting there.

also like a page or so later, ali and i have a fight that's much more... idk present than that post. i'm not saying i'm clear for that or anything but i feel like this would at least have to get mentioned by bella.

and god page 25 is annoying because ali and bella are both shitting on me and the unexplained klick meta scumread and the fact that i was getting scumread for "scumposting" at alisae

i am also increasingly wondering if this is helpful to anyone

Datisi · Sun May 21, 2023 12:38 pm

ok i got to page 43 before i realized my brain isn't reading jack shit anymore

however, i do think eod1 much more clearly points to bella than to mena

bella votes staeg in 1644. her reasons aren't great. like

Spoiler: some bella posts that mention him

In post 1644, Bellaphant wrote: VOTE: steag

Are we worried about trying to elim a high pick? Like, it feels wrong but I also can't see many better tekkers rn?

Yeah, he's been bottom of klicks read list (who, like me tries to find town) and dv says they can see basically all of his posting coming from scum motivation

Oh, beetlejuice, confirmed mod!scum

In post 1697, Bellaphant wrote:
In post 1657, Datisi wrote:
In post 1651, Bellaphant wrote: Also, noone in the thread seems to be tr ING steag but no-one is voting them
...

the main thought about the top of the draft for a while has been "we don't vote top of draft today" why are you saying this as if it's some sorta gotcha for why staeg is scum?
? I'm not? It links to everything else we were saying about the slot being kinda ghosty....I hadn't seen many people with compelling reasons to tr them but also not enough to vote.

In post 1754, Bellaphant wrote: Cools. Part of it is I really have no reason to tr them: Ans neither does aby of my team. There are slots that produce discussion, but nothing about steag: I tend to find slots I think nothing about end up being scum more often than not.

Then, the massive uptick in his posting when under any pressure looks really coached..plus, a lot of their pressure is in a few places, rather than engagement as a whole. Their scum reads don't make sense and they seem self conscious about this too.

Plus, there's literally zero appetite in my team for imag: I think relying on the numbers is poor and like, the claim when it came is slightly more likely to be town than scum? I think if I was scum with imag I'd be hard bussing and very much pushing no claim.

In post 1756, Bellaphant wrote: Datisi just has more posts/content so I can see more of it as town, I can see all of menas last page as Wolfy really easily.

Also, on the steag thing, it's also interaction. I know I'm guilty of this back but I feel I've 'interacted' with every other slot in the game, whereas the most content we got fro. Steag was the series of coached looking posts after there was pressure.

In post 1765, Bellaphant wrote: There's a bunch of people that just don't appear in steags iso barely at all, and even when some of the rest do it's all in relation to lld! It's...weird af.

tbh i still kinda don't get what 1651 is supposed to mean. but none of these reasons are good. i called out the staeg pushes at the time

also keep in mind that jjh, 3rd in draft, flipped goon so scum knew that there was a cop/bp in staeg/ythan.

which is also why id would make sense for there to be pressure from scum to push one of them through on d1. like sure ok the UB would get the role. but scum would then 100% know where the cop is and would have the ability to shoot them freely

also look at this VC

In post 2158, implosion wrote:
Vote Count 1.17
Staeg (6): Alisae, Bellaphant, imaginality, Marashu, Rad, Gimli
imaginality (3): Staeg, Datisi, Menalque
Rad (2): Cephrir, mith
Lady Lambdadelta (1): Ythan

Not Voting (1): Lady Lambdadelta

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate.

Deadline is April 27 at 10:00 PM PST, in (expired on 2023-04-28 01:00:00).

gimli jumped on the wagon with like. the worst reasoning (i didn't check lmao i just remember feeling like it was bad) and look at mena's position. he could hammer that. i'm sure scum-mena could come up with something if his goal throughout day 1 was to like, figure out who the cop is

In post 2175, Menalque wrote: @dats, staeg pls join me on this

VOTE: rad

he doesn't

also, about bella being like, wanting gimli at eod1 or whatever. she unvotes at 2200. she doesn't revote that day. like, she can claim she wanted gimli above others but like, her vote is very clearly not doing anything, she could've at least voted there???

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this is not that strong but i just remembered this and it maybe actually makes sense

In post 2709, Bellaphant wrote: So the chat in our team has been: why was steag elim not pushed through, but was the nk? Steag should've been assumed to be a strong town pr, but the elim just couldn't get through, especially after me/alissy (maybe rad, haven't checked) unvoted.
Hypothesis :the last scum was just not around.

Second supporting idea: why would scum then shoot steag? They must have suspected he had strong town pr. But why wouldn't they be worried about bullet proof?
Hypothesis: because scum already has the bullet proof

Conclusion : ythan is scum, possibly bullet proof.

Thoughts, comments, questions?

look at this post

with the knowledge that scum knew who cop is

and with the idea that bella is scum, who wants to push ythan, and who very clearly knew there was scum on that staeg wagon but that is magically not her conclusion

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ok i think i'll go sleep now, maybe more content tomorrow? probably
anyway ama ig
(i like having feedback to things i post even if said feedback is "datisi that's the stupidest shit i've ever read")

Datisi · Mon May 22, 2023 6:41 am

lol i've been busy today, i'm planning to do *some* rereading later tonight but like

i put things out last night and nobody commented to shrug

Datisi · Tue May 23, 2023 3:18 am

hey y'all, i'll be busy today bc i have a hell of an exam tomorrow and i'll be spending most of the day frantically revising for it. i will be around here and there later to answer live questions if anyone has any, but further rereading will come tomorrow after the exam

Datisi · Thu May 25, 2023 6:22 am

so i'm not the only one really not feeling like rereading the hell that is this game, huh

Datisi · Fri May 26, 2023 8:47 am

In post 4877, mith wrote: Gimli and Datisi have a back-and-forth early in D2, in part about Gimli's read on Datisi, but also the progression from 2659's "this is a lie." (re: Gimli suspecting "POE" filled with townies - I'm not sure why Gimli is using "POE" to mean "main wagons") to "k" in 2666 is ?

what is ? about it? i called him out for saying something untrue, he backpedaled and claimed he actually meant something somewhat similar but also completely different. "k" is a snarky response from me there, because i both see that it's... not true, but also that there's no point in arguing about it further because he's just gonna repeat "that's what i meant" and it wouldn't get us anywhere. and it wasn't *impossible* for me to see that coming from town so no value in continuing that convo.

In post 4877, mith wrote: I was the lead wagon just before this (at 3), with imaginality at 2 (Datisi and me). Then Ali switches away from me to Ythan in 2830. So the count is 2 for me, 2 for imaginality, 2 for Ythan, 6 to lim. Like... I'm not in any real danger here? I don't believe that me being a "main wagon" warranted a capital-B "Bad" and switch away from the player he "absolutely" wants to kill (imaginality) who is now also tied leading wagon?

that's not how my mind works. the fact that you weren't in danger right that second is irrelevant, there was appetite for you, at least from what i recall. i wanted to run up ythan to get her to play the game or kill her for not doing so, moving away from your wagon is a bonus.

In post 4877, mith wrote: What was Mena saying about imaginality at this point?

that he's most likely scum, and throwing out some solve ideas based on imag being scum

i could paraphrase the hood more closely around this time in the thread if it's needed, but like. mena was the one to be thinking ythan is maybe town who's just not playing and was more sure on imag, and i was fine with following him there as well.

i can understand that looking like that from your pov, but i just don't do that as scum? if i'm scum and i already know ythan is a cop/bp, either shoot her on n2 and get rid of the cop, or miss a kill, run her up again on d3 while festering the "bp is a scumclaim" paranoia, misyeet. if i did vote her on d2, why unvote? it's not like there was any scum in danger.

ik this is just self meta and probably not convincing to anyone, but /shrug

Datisi · Fri May 26, 2023 8:51 am

i think comparing bella and mena's play around mith is like - scum!mena would've had to accept his fate of 1v1ing tomorrow. bella is trying to test the waters for seeing whether people really think mith is 100% clear. to me, the reason she's saying it today is really obvious - she *can't* say it tomorrow because she's likely to get instavoted tomorrow, and then mith doesn't hammer, and then he really is confirmed town

Datisi · Fri May 26, 2023 9:34 am

In post 4888, Bellaphant wrote:
In post 4885, Datisi wrote: i think comparing bella and mena's play around mith is like - scum!mena would've had to accept his fate of 1v1ing tomorrow. bella is trying to test the waters for seeing whether people really think mith is 100% clear. to me, the reason she's saying it today is really obvious - she *can't* say it tomorrow because she's likely to get instavoted tomorrow, and then mith doesn't hammer, and then he really is confirmed town
But I've also said I'll happily die today to make tomorrow easier. Like, I don't think anyone is buying that i'm this scum!mastermind.

saying "i'm fine dying today" is like... really not scum-mastermind territory

In post 4889, Bellaphant wrote: If mith being scum is ludicrous and lld as confirmed town, and should die tonight, then killing me today should be auto win? The neighbours will /have/ to decide between each other, so me saying what I've said has kind of helped because mena (and to a lesser extent dats) has kind of shown their hand around their mith position.

how is this autowin as opposed to a 50/50?

and @lld - i don't think i can blank myself from the hood because the hood *is* part of the townread. but i can reread his iso + the hood + whatever context i need and give you a definite answer, sure

Datisi · Mon May 29, 2023 3:44 am

yeah uh

VOTE: bellaphant

life has been somewhat busy and also i have very little energy for this game. but i trust myself on the townread of mena, mostly bc i didn't townread him in any of his most recent scumgames. i'm glad lld is coming around to that, at least.

i'm not thrilled to die today but i understand why it's necessary. yeeting bella should win ~every time, i see she's still not bothered to explain her read change on me, i think she knows i'm dying today anyway and doesn't want to spend too much effort pushing me through when the conftowns are doing it for her (and mena is obviously not doing it and it's gonna look bad for her tomorrow if she were strongly on the wrong side of history today). on top of other things that i've already said.

i'll be... semi around? for live q's, but probably not much else, sorry

Datisi · Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:21 pm

thank you for modding implo

Datisi · Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:27 am

i posted this image in our team discord around the start of d4