TM 2023 | Masterchef MafiaScum (Game over)

[Aristeia]

Hi Bianco Hi Aureal Hi Korina!

I hope this game will be fun

VOTE: Korina

Spoiler: Random Anime Song

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my page two scumreads are dessew and korina

i did not spend any effort on these because brain empty

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dessew for stating the obvious
korina for talking about a nk

yea its not much to go on but nothings happened so far so ~.~

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tell shirou i think hes too much of a sweetheart to use a knife on me

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hi norwe

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Datisi has informed me that he believes Korina to be town

VOTE: Dessew

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Is talking about our team's reads gonna be a big part of this?

doesn't have to be

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should we schedule a time to all be online and just vibe

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this game is extremely slow >.>

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mmm do you have any alignment related thoughts so far

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feels like nothing is happening

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Spoiler: kpop

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you feel kinda restrained compared to the last time we played together

burnout?

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im just not used to the "oh let me no throw" comment hehe

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tbh i liked it better when you were super confident ^^

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yes I would probably make some kind of comment about how I think your pfp is very cute and I liked your neck tie

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I would also do that as town tho ^^

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datisis townread of kori is because he thinks scum kori would have just made up some reads by now

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Anyway that seems like a kinda weak reasoning to townread them.

that's true but there isn't much to work with this game so ~shrug~

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also every time we've disagreed about a read he's turned out to be right and i've turned out to be wrong so I just sheep him atp ^^

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Also it seems like Furtive for once turned out to be a very FURTIVE player in one of the games he's in.
HAHA
HAHA

HA

where is the hero shirou to save this town

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@Ari

Ceph told me to ask you if you wanna play battleship.

I also want to look at the people who voted Dessew because I don’t like how quickly Dessew got wagoned.

I'm not very good at board game unfortunately.

It's pretty easy to look at who voted for Dessew

1 - Korina[that's you!]
2- Ari[that's me!]
3- Norwe[He wanted to see what would happen?]
4 - Furtive[he was there for three minutes]

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i dont remember townreading you

should i be townreading you for something atp?

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didn't you recently play a game against me where I was scum

i think this comes from town more often than scum

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feels like townie entitlement

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I find Korina's whole thought process here very unnatural because it feels like they're playing from a place of "dessew wagon scummy" when like we don't know what Dessew alignment is?

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VOTE: Furtive

Not because of the above post, but teammates agreeing my read on Furtive, plus Furtive's vote on Dessew feels weird. I highly doubt out of four votes on Dessew's wagon, all four of them were town. I do not think Dessew ever reaches E-1 naturally without scum interference. If Ari flips town, and Furtive flips town, I think it's highly probable then that Dessew is scum, but I think a scumflip in {Ari, Furtive} makes Dessew town more often than not.

Ari, I could be convinced to some degree is scum, but I feel like the reasoning I'd get to for scum!ari to sheep my vote on Dessew isn't... there? I don't see reason for Scum!Ari to sheep my vote unless the entire team is saying that she should try to pocket me and this is some strange pocket attempt? Though, admittedly, I am curious why Ari did vote Dessew as well, but I think it's more than likely just town voting with another townie.

Norwee is just town, and Ceph + StD have both agreed that Norwee is just town.

I know I'm not scum.

Which, leaves Furtive. I can go through and try to case Furtive more tightly than just this later.

Can anyone else look at the Dessew wagon and tell me this thought process makes sense? Furtive was probably on the wagon the shortest time of anyone and jumped off as soon as someone was like "hey dude that's e-1" and I'm not sure that's how mafia approach mislimming a townie?

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like this is the entire sequence with Furtive's vote. Does it really make sense for Furtive!scum to see Dessew!town at e-2 and think hmm let me put my vote here at e-1 him and hope nobody notices and then when I get called out on it instantly unvote?

like that's what Korina is saying is "unnatural" which feels kind of a stretch to me. If anything I'd think that kind of behavior is more likely from furtive!town who is just unaware of game state than furtive!scum trying to be sneaky because like um who is going to expect being sneaky to work?

also kind of wild kawaiikwame still only has one post which is not really adding anything.

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VOTE: Korina

also don't really like Korina asking Norwee about McMenno without really stating Korina's own position - feels like scum keeping their options open

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like this is the entire sequence with Furtive's vote. Does it really make sense for Furtive!scum to see Dessew!town at e-2 and think hmm let me put my vote here at e-1 him and hope nobody notices and then when I get called out on it instantly unvote?

like that's what Korina is saying is "unnatural" which feels kind of a stretch to me. If anything I'd think that kind of behavior is more likely from furtive!town who is just unaware of game state than furtive!scum trying to be sneaky because like um who is going to expect being sneaky to work?

also kind of wild kawaiikwame still only has one post which is not really adding anything.

Furtive strikes me as the type of player who is generally unaware of the game in general, regardless of alignment. I don't think Furtive's unvote is meaningful, but I think the initial vote is more meaningful than anything else.

if furtive is unaware of the game why is his vote on dessew scummy?

its weird for you to attribute malicious intent and also claim the person is unaware?

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I find Korina's whole thought process here very unnatural because it feels like they're playing from a place of "dessew wagon scummy" when like we don't know what Dessew alignment is?

I think you're mildly scummy, and I don't know what Furtive is, which yeah would make me think the wagon on Dessew is scummy because I don't think four townies decided to vote Dessew. Especially with your vote onto Dessew, it just has not sat well with me, so yeah, the Dessew wagon is scummy. I firmly am standing by there is at least one scum on it. I highly doubt the solve is simply just {You, Furtive} but I've been surprised before.

whats dessew's alignment?

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how likely do you think that 4 vote dessew wagon was to go through?

in the game state where nobody is really doing anything - why does mafia decide to build a wagon on dessew?

it feels like you have done very little critical thought about this other than "these four people must have a scum in them"

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I’m also not sure i like Ari’s takes or votes right now.

because?

use your words

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Fun fact. Ari’s only mention of Bianco at all so far is the opening "hi Bianco"

is this supposed to be some kind of gotcha at page 8 in a micro where nothing has really happened?

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I like how everyone ignored my Bianco read. Ferls good.

why is me ignoring your unconvincing case an issue if p much everyone did?

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They couldn’t even get the slot they were voting right.

why is this scum!indicative for Bianco?

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like why can't it just be a confused townie who thought something was scummy but was confused about who said it?

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like why can't it just be a confused townie who thought something was scummy but was confused about who said it?

On second thought this is a very minor point, but it is useful as evidence that they likely aren't aligned with Furtive (or me) because they misinterpreted who they were even supposed to vote between us.

ok so whats your main point on why bianco is scum?

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Norwee golden obvtown, elect God of thread

Korina shady

McMenno shady

Bianco mistake sus? Or clueless?

Aristeia sus

Aureal unsus

Dessew sus

Kawaii sus

Kthxbai

high quality contribution 10/10

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Fun fact. Ari’s only mention of Bianco at all so far is the opening "hi Bianco"

is this supposed to be some kind of gotcha at page 8 in a micro where nothing has really happened?

A lot has happened. Why are you trying to paint the game as if nothing is happening still? Scummy.

sure whats happened thats actually relevant

all i see is no wagons really
two players not even playing the game
one rvs stage wagon that got to 4 and instantly disbanded.

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I'm a bit behind with my reading, but kuribo knows for a fact that Aureal is mafia.

if you don't have the time to dedicate for a game that is 9 pages in 5 days or w/e can you just let one of your teammates play for you sorry if this is rude

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Norwee shea says you are the best player in this PL and I should work with you

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find scum and kill them

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have you ever played with Furtive glance

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and he was very careful in that game and aware of things?

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I am interested in killing {Ari, Furtive} today and really nobody else.

do you have townreads on everyone else?

do you have the game completely sorted?

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like i'm not sure where you get the confidence for your stances are you taking this game seriously or do you just not give a shit?

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its hard for me to take your beliefs in the game state seriously that you're ready to end d1 when

dessew has posted 5 times, once with content
kawaii has posted 1 time and

the rest of the game are busy pointing fingers at each other.

but like you seem to not care and just content to sit in your tunnel

which is very ???? to me if you're town and I guess it makes sense if you think you can get away with it as scum

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Ari what is your thoughts on Auriel

She hasn't done anything really noteworthy - might be trying to pocket me by saying she agrees with my views. Ausuka has been telling me she thinks Aureal is mafia.

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like i'm not sure where you get the confidence for your stances are you taking this game seriously or do you just not give a shit?

Because I think you're an incredibly scummy slot, and I think Furtive is an incredibly scummy slot, and nobody else in this game is as scummy as the two of you. My goal is to kill scum. Not kill someone who

could

be scum.

I find Korina's whole thought process here very unnatural because it feels like they're playing from a place of "dessew wagon scummy" when like we don't know what Dessew alignment is?

It's also because of this post which clearly demonstrates that you don't think you can have an opinion on the quality of a wagon without knowing the alignment of the person being wagoned.

why am i incredibly scummy

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Dessew I think had a scum on it, and I don't get the point of scum bussing that early into d1, which makes me think Dessew is just town, because I highly doubt {Me, You, Norwee, Furtive} is just four townies.

why

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like have you never seen a micro get to e-1 with 4 town votes ?

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Nothing you are posting sits right with me. I think your response to me asking about the wagon in 108 is weird, and comes off as very cheeky to me, and I don't get the town motivation for cheekily replying to something like that nor really explaining why you joined onto it after I asked explicitly why. 161 is also weird, and very directly states that you don't think you can have an opinion on the quality of a wagon without knowing the alignment of someone, like I said above. Defense of Furtive also is ok, ig? I just didn't like it very much, but that comes from a position of I don't like Furtive's slot in general, and seeing someone defend it makes me think they're also scum. The way how you're positioning yourself in relation to me doesn't sit right with me in general, and I think you're scum for it.

I was being cheeky with you because I found your "oh i think this wagon im on is sus let me see how it formed and figure out the suspects!" post to be terrible and I struggle to think how anyone could post something so comically bad

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so I guess you have solved the game right, I'm scum and I'm defending my scum partner furtiveglance?

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like do you actually think this is something true?

me/furtive in our little scum pt said hey lets try to randomly lim this newbie super early ok? and then we 2/4 voted dessew on page 4 hoping that someone would just walk along and accidentally hammer the guy in team mafia.

then when bianco called furtive out for it he went oh shoots! my devious plan has failed and quickly unvoted?

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and you are SO sure that this interpretation of the game is correct you feel NO NEED to sort any other slots in the game and you're ok just death-tunneling me/furtive until you get one of us limmed and then REGARDLESS of the lim result you will go for the other one on day two right?

because thats how you think this game should go?

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who on your team approves of this course of action btw?

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I want to hear whether they all agree with your interpretation of our game state

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The longer you talk though the more I think it's you and not Furtive, so here. Take the vote.

oh that makes sense

so I'm scum and I see you pushing Furtive!town in your little death tunnel so I decide to fight you and defend furtive

an even better theory

if i'm scum and furtive is town why dont i just let you sit in your stupid little tunnel?

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At what point in these was it unclear that I don't think the solve is you two together because I'd like to y'know, make it more clear that I don't think the solve is the two of you. I think if one of you flips town it clears the other.

you literally just said its furtive town ari scum so how does furtive flipping town clear me

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then get your teammates to talk to me if you refuse to ..

you owe that much to your team at least

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its actually infuriating how hard it is to get people to just play the game they signed up to play

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lets wagon aureal then

VOTE: Aureal

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maybe korina will pop in and call us scum working together again

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I actually feel like you're being more harsh here than the game we played before though. I was literally going to reply to the post to mcmenno to say that it did seem a little rude, then realized I didn't read it quite right, but it and others still aren't sitting quite right. We're you calmer in 1070 than usual?

well that game actually had things happening - here it feels like pulling teeth to just get people to play >.>

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I don't feel great about our odds of hitting scum today

anyone have some high conviction reads

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I think korina norwee bianco furtive mcmenno are at like townie-ish? not really any solid townreads atp

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I think korina norwee bianco furtive mcmenno are at like townie-ish? not really any solid townreads atp

i dont like my reads because its mostly based on whos done things and like its trivially easy for scum to do things and like i have no way to reliably sort town players who dont do anything

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here i'll illustrate this.

take each slot in the game and write down in one sentence the most AI thing they have done so far this game.

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here i'll illustrate this.

take each slot in the game and write down in one sentence the most AI thing they have done so far this game.

Why don't you do this?

If you are acting in good faith you might surprise yourself.

I have and I don't particularly feel great about it - that's my point - I am used to games with a lot higher level of activity and interaction and substance. This game feels like nothing meaningful is going on and people are ok with it which is only a town-win if like the scum have decided to do absolutely nothing.

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like even this interaction with you feels like pulling teeth, I'm not sure what you want to actually talk to me about

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like are you trying to get Dessew eliminated? is your scumread there real this time? I don't really understand your motivations this game.

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just looking through your iso it feels like you're just throwing random things at a wall and I'm not sure you actually care about any of them

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based on what are you saying that I am trying to do nothing?

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perhaps i simply have higher standards for what constitutes a fleshed out read than you.

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is this the part where you puff up your chest and try to intimidate me

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also its a cute trick how you moved from "trying to do nothing" to not having fleshed out reads. juvenile really

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also you joined the game. voted aureal as a "joke" then moved to dessew after you got no traction.

your reads so far are kind of a joke and i assumed you said them in jest.

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why cant i be tilted town

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like why can i be town, feel like im trying pretty hard to solve this game but getting nowhere. then you walk in and say that im trying to do nothing and then get angry that you made such a remark about me?

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explain the difference between town tilt and scum tilt oh great fleshed out reads player

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if im mafia why do i even bother having this conversation with you? why dont i just let you shove dessew?

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VOTE: drew

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tired of your shit

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you r amazing

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tired of your shit

So a smidge of pressure gets you all flipping out angry and wanting to punch holes in the wall?

Pre Edit: Thank you for saying I am amazing, need the ego boost.

i was angry at you before you voted me and i explained exactly what you did to make me angry on this page

you continue to post in bad faith

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i dunno why i bother playing this game

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maybe for the pagetops but other than that its pretty miserable

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I can fake being upset as scum p easily. I don't do it because i don't lose as scum so i dont have anything to be upset about.

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my emotional state is p swingy depending on certain things but i get triggered p easily by someone saying that im not trying to solve or w/e

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i would love to get killed so i dont have to play in a game with you anymore

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i was reasonable until you started flaming me

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you keep doing this shitty little bad faith act where you try to pretend like you're the reasonable one

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i really have no desire to talk to you

i hate you as a person

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i dont care what you do for the rest of this game period

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i dont enjoy losing as town

i didnt like how this game was going

i expressed as such and i just wanted to talk reads over with someone

then you started flaming me with your disgusting horseshit

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im just over trying to figure out if your town or scum

like some part of me says scum you doesnt pick this fight because you have nothing to gain

but it doesnt make sense for town you to pick this fight either

honestly i think you're just a bored little troll trying to get his jollies by pissing someone off tonight.

so im just done trying to talk to you

get me limmed

yoy get limmed

its all the same to me atp

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drew

i do not believe you have done a single thing tonight in good faith

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i hope you are mafia because if you are town, i do not have words for what you are doing

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you insinuated i was not acting in good faith multiple times
stop lying

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absolutely ridiculoys

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stop your shitty victim act you started this fight

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i asked you for one sentence on each slot to talk reads with you and you claimed i was not even trying to solve or play in good faith

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im done good night