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In post 81, Thestatusquo wrote:
Specifically if you could get into the part where you assume the alignment of the player who you are saying is pocketed that would be great.
I am so town.
Wait you're saying that you're there one pocketed? That's not how i read that post at all lol.
In post 97, Feysal wrote:
Dunnstral is asking questions and means business, like that. Dragon entered sounding kind of aggressive? Not sure what to make of that yet.
I'm kinda curious about this. I felt like Dunnstal entered a little aggressive. Did you not see it that way?
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Post #117 (isolation #18) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:42 pm
Postby Thestatusquo »
I will say I don't love the attempt from firebringer to bring his teammate directly into the game like this.
I think it a) is a good way of making yourself seem town without any actual town behavior or actions (i.e. look how much my teammate is scum hunting and paying attention) and b) gives a layer of abstraction between your thoughts and your actions which can be useful to hide behind.
I'm used to the way team mafia warps mafia in this way and I've seen this as a tactic before.
Alisae could actually be invested in reading to find scum or fb could be making it up. Just want to throw that out there.
Just because you don't see value in the question doesn't mean there isn't any
I see value in the question but I don't think I see it in the way you asked it. Obviously Feysal does not agree because they said so in the very post you're quoting so I am not sure what useful information you actually are trying to provoke, unless you're trying to get them to change their mind in which case its a pretty half assed attempt at that as well.
In post 119, Thestatusquo wrote:
I see value in the question but I don't think I see it in the way you asked it. Obviously Feysal does not agree because they said so in the very post you're quoting so I am not sure what useful information you actually are trying to provoke, unless you're trying to get them to change their mind in which case its a pretty half assed attempt at that as well.
I wanted them to look into the behaviors and tell me why one is aggressive and the other isn't. Can you let things progress?
You're free to progress things any way you want to, just like I am free to point out what I think is off.
I thought your question was off. And I think this post trying to tell me to not post my thoughts about you is also off.
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Post #155 (isolation #23) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:19 pm
Postby Thestatusquo »
In post 128, Firebringer wrote:
Shea, would scum firebringer read you as town or scum right now.
Probably scumread. I think scumbringer would enjoy the theatre and memes of pushing me and would know that I'm not prone to scum read someone for pushing me.
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Post #158 (isolation #25) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:22 pm
Postby Thestatusquo »
I continue to think that mech conversation right now is a waste of time. If we do end up mass claiming there's no reason to do it right now and theres even less reason to make it a topic of conversation instead of trying to find scum.
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Post #170 (isolation #29) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:28 pm
Postby Thestatusquo »
There's something black hasn't asked me yet which I expected her to and that makes me suspicious of her and its a big part of why I've been giving her a hard time.
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Post #180 (isolation #31) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:37 pm
Postby Thestatusquo »
Before team mafia started we had a conversation where I said I thought I would be pretty good at reading you since I've modded or played in most of your on site games.
I said at the time I would tell you if we shared a PT.
But I expected you to bring it up because if you're town you'd want to get town read. If you're scum though you'd have a really good reason to not ask me about my meta thoughts on you.
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Post #183 (isolation #32) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:45 pm
Postby Thestatusquo »
I mean while its true that maybe expecting you to explicitly ask "please tell me about your meta thoughts on me" isn't exactly 100% fair, I would say that it was fair to expect you to be somewhat curious about what my read of you would be, and you've felt pretty fundamentally uncurious about that to me, and also kind of fundamentally uncurious about my alignment as well in our interactions so far.
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Post #195 (isolation #34) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:31 pm
Postby Thestatusquo »
I'm kind of surprised Dunn is having this reaction to FB if they've played together before. FB lives for the troll. Showing he's annoying you only makes him grow even stronger.
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Post #204 (isolation #35) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:53 pm
Postby Thestatusquo »
In post 198, Dunnstral wrote:
BlueSnakelet Mafia; my thoughts are in post 75
Pink ball Town; I like that they are going after Dragoneater early in post 56 as I find them a little weird at this point too, I like that their few posts recently are taking stances instead of continuing to banter.
Black Town; I like how they are questioning/pushing things
What things is black actually questioning and pushing in a non-generic way?
In post 208, Thestatusquo wrote:
titus will you give some thoughts of your own. I'm not loving this neutral thread interrogator role you seem to be trying to position yourself into.
When the time is right. I'm awaiting Black here specifically.
I will tell you know that I had concerns about you first but waffling. Fire is obvtown btw.
In post 208, Thestatusquo wrote:
titus will you give some thoughts of your own. I'm not loving this neutral thread interrogator role you seem to be trying to position yourself into.
When the time is right. I'm awaiting Black here specifically.
I will tell you know that I had concerns about you first but waffling. Fire is obvtown btw.
This claim will only offend him.
Him being Fire? Well I can only work with him so much. I don't care what others think of me but I can't fake reads that well as town, even to obscure. I'm a shitty mason (that's not a claim).
this is...a weird response.
I was just saying fb always gets mad at me when I town read him.
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Post #225 (isolation #41) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:28 pm
Postby Thestatusquo »
What do you think the purpose behind blacks questioning is?
Do you think its likely to be helpful to discovering the alignment of people she's questioning?
You say she is trying to "push things in a town direction" but that's a platitude. How is she doing that? I'm asking you to be concrete. Do you think she's displayed actual curiosity about the alignments of the people she is asking questions of and interacting with?
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Post #227 (isolation #42) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:36 pm
Postby Thestatusquo »
I didnt think basically saying "stop questioning me" and insinuating that somehow me asking questions of them was stopping them from "letting things happen" or whatever was town at all so I'm having a hard time seeing that one.
In post 281, Dunnstral wrote:
Titus is fence sitting really hard this game. She is capable of playing this worthlessly as town, but not with a team she has to look out for and with other players she respects.
This is me/Firebringer town and Titus faking reads on both to position herself where she needs to be. She is going out of her way to be middle of the road.
Thestatusquo is almost a scumread because he is asking Titus all these questions and trying to get answers when personality wise he should just be voting her right now to force an answer.
I like your line of thinking here and honestly I find it fascinating that neither Titus nor Shea have addressed me despite both telling me before the start of Team Mafia that they were excited to play with me
I think I still TR Shea but that's probably because I disproportionately view effort as town
First of all how is it a good point when I AM in fact voting titus and have been almost literally the whole game. LLD's whole point is based on a false premise which makes me wonder if she's in fact reading this game at all. This is why I am incredibly dubious of "my tm says this my tm says that"
Second of all what have you done or said so far that you feel I should have been itching to address? I posted yesterday before you had done anything and I have posted like one inconsequential thing today.
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Post #377 (isolation #48) » Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:07 am
Postby Thestatusquo »
In post 370, DragonEater70 wrote:
Well as I said I missed your post.
Anyway I am not feeling like defending myself today since I am apparently THAT townie (I think I've had 4 people calling me town so far) so I will have to decline the offer to go into defense mode.
Seriously though, if you read my completed games, I basically almost always get a wagon formed on me during RVS (I'm what they call limbait), but this game I got people townreading me instead. So I was quite shocked.
the next step is to think critically about WHY that is.
If you don't feel like you're doing anything that townie and people are calling you townie, one would think you'd be interested into delving into those town reads to try to read the players professing a town read on you, but I don't really see that step in the thought process happening here.
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Post #385 (isolation #50) » Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:37 am
Postby Thestatusquo »
I think dragon gets run up as town a lot and is annoyed by that generally, at least thats my perception from being pretty involved in the newbies queues over the last few months.
In post 385, Thestatusquo wrote:
I think dragon gets run up as town a lot and is annoyed by that generally, at least thats my perception from being pretty involved in the newbies queues over the last few months.
Do you usually do this? Answering questions directed to others? I’m not criticizing I’m genuinely curious
Think so yes, when I feel like I have context that is helpful.
In post 128, Firebringer wrote:
Shea, would scum firebringer read you as town or scum right now.
Probably scumread. I think scumbringer would enjoy the theatre and memes of pushing me and would know that I'm not prone to scum read someone for pushing me.
But you're unpredictable.
FB did you have a follow up to this question? Was I right? Do I get a prize?
LETS GET THIS GAME GOING INTO HYPER DRIVE
COME ON IN SHEA I GOT SNACKS FOR YOU
Is this just you trying to get me to scum read you? Are you doing that this game? It's an interesting play after me saying I thought scum you would choo choo.
@black It's hard to explain why I town read titus without being kind of rude but ehhhh the last few times I've seen titus as scum she basically hasn't really done anything at all and I guess I've come to think of her scum game as really lurky and do nothing and the level of engagement and active sorting I've seen so far this game is extremely far beyond what I've ever seen from her as scum. So like it kind of feels out of range. This could be dangerous because its team mafia and everyone is a little bit try hard but its good enough to town bin for now and reevaluate later.
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Post #462 (isolation #56) » Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:27 pm
Postby Thestatusquo »
In post 437, Klick wrote:
I've played like 3ish games in a row with Titus where she has been scum and in this game I'm getting a zeal from her that I haven't felt in other games. I think she's engaged her town solving brain in a way that she wasn't quite there for in the last few games I've been in with her.
It could be Team Mafia making her tryhard even if she's scum but I'm enjoying her content so far regardless and am fine to boost what she's currently doing for the thread.
In post 331, Klick wrote:
Because people like you aren't going to like it!
why do you think I disliked it? I just noted its existence. it doesn't give me any kind of info either way. that's why asked about what was behind the post in his thought process
I actually have more read on your tr on it than I have on the original read itself. (leaning toward the dislike category)
pedit: his going after blue for the titus thingy was what I called try harding on page 2 IMO I don't care about his rp
It's high-detail, specifically contradicts assumptions I made about her perspective, and develops what appears to be a nuanced take on both myself and DragonEater without doing the heavy lifting. I remember her doing something that made me feel very similar to this in Cosmos. Let me go find it
I'd like to quote that post but I can't quite make it happen, idk whether I just am not able to quote from locked threads at all or if it's a mobile-specific issue
It's not an exact match to what I'm describing here, but basically I made an assumption based on VCA, and FA used it as a means of discrediting what I was saying while developing her own read on me as well as the situation without adding much genuine original thought outside of detailed analysis of my own thought.
The same sort of thing happened in her early-game argument with STD, in their conversation about 'shading'. This is probably a better example of it, it happened in like the first 10ish pages of that game.
341 feels similar. Lots of critical thought in a very focused way towards specific details of Feysal's 97. She gives the appearance of a nuanced perspective but it's limited to what she could derive from 97 itself, and I think the projection of nuance could be intentional.
I actually fairly like FA's last two posts as counterexamples of this - they contain clear general conclusions based on the things she's been talking about. The add-on in 361 a minute and a half later feels kind of like legitimate thought. But I want more of that from her.
You think this is distinct from their town game? I've never played with FA at all I don't think and I understand the general point you're making but I think I'm missing why this isn't also what their town game would look like?
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Post #472 (isolation #60) » Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:37 pm
Postby Thestatusquo »
This doesn't feel like a town anxiety ig.
Like i feel like a town mindset would be it's early so I'll just throw what i think out there and if it's underformed or not explained well that's fine.
It feels like a scum mindset to worry about whether ones reads are good enough or justified well enough.
Do you have examples of other games where you didn't post reads because you didn't really have time to explain them?