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uh, whyIn post 14, zoraster wrote:
I've decided I'm just going to sheep Shea this entire game.In post 9, Thestatusquo wrote:This might be a scum claim but in honor of UTs well known mafia strategy I will be voting all the anime avatars in this game. I will not be taking any questions at this time.
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
Die suck die die scum die die suck die die scum die suck die.
VOTE: NorwegianboyEEtout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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oh yeah we got into a huge screaming fight that one time. I forget which game.In post 13, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Yeah, I'm not sure either, I was going back and forth if I have, but I definitely recognize your name, and feel like I know who you are.In post 12, Thestatusquo wrote:I don't know that we've ever played together before.
I'm Boonskiies, if that helps.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Whenever someone does something like this I like to follow up with this and see where it goes.In post 20, zoraster wrote:In post 16, Thestatusquo wrote:
uh, whyIn post 14, zoraster wrote:
I've decided I'm just going to sheep Shea this entire game.In post 9, Thestatusquo wrote:This might be a scum claim but in honor of UTs well known mafia strategy I will be voting all the anime avatars in this game. I will not be taking any questions at this time.
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
Die suck die die scum die die suck die die scum die suck die.
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
VOTE: Zoraster
So are you going to self vote or nah?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Its page 2, what exactly is "worth a vote" at this stage in your mind?In post 21, Mistyx wrote:
had the same thoughtIn post 19, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
^^ this, I know and love the majority of players here.In post 11, Flavor Leaf wrote:This is a genuinely likable playerlist; I know all of you pretty well, with the exception of zoraster.
VOTE: zor announcing you'll sheep Shea unconditionally is a really easy way to place an RVS vote without substance behind it.
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ok but why? How do you think we get to a point where votes mean things?In post 24, Mistyx wrote:
nothing serious i assure youIn post 23, Thestatusquo wrote:
Its page 2, what exactly is "worth a vote" at this stage in your mind?In post 21, Mistyx wrote:
had the same thoughtIn post 19, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
^^ this, I know and love the majority of players here.In post 11, Flavor Leaf wrote:This is a genuinely likable playerlist; I know all of you pretty well, with the exception of zoraster.
VOTE: zor announcing you'll sheep Shea unconditionally is a really easy way to place an RVS vote without substance behind it.
didn't think it was worth a vote
also it's page 1tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Ok but if you think its something scum would want to do why would you want to let scum get away with doing it? Like, isn't that a thing that pressure would do, i.e. force zoraster to take a more tangible stance?In post 26, Mistyx wrote:
i don't think it's worth pressuring yetIn post 25, Thestatusquo wrote:
ok but why? How do you think we get to a point where votes mean things?In post 24, Mistyx wrote:
nothing serious i assure youIn post 23, Thestatusquo wrote:
Its page 2, what exactly is "worth a vote" at this stage in your mind?In post 21, Mistyx wrote:
had the same thoughtIn post 19, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
^^ this, I know and love the majority of players here.In post 11, Flavor Leaf wrote:This is a genuinely likable playerlist; I know all of you pretty well, with the exception of zoraster.
VOTE: zor announcing you'll sheep Shea unconditionally is a really easy way to place an RVS vote without substance behind it.
didn't think it was worth a vote
also it's page 1
partially because it can be mistaken for rvs
partially because that specific point isn't something that can really be expanded on with pressuretout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Like I don't understand why you would note something which is vaguely suspicious at a time when we have no information and then not act on it, it's weird to me. It's the antithesis of how I play the opening, so I'm confused to see you doing the literal exact opposite of what I would do in a given situation.
This gets quickly into theory crafting and what not which doesn't end up being very helpful but I think this is worth noting.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I dont like this mindset, there seems to be a lot of things that have happened, no? Nancy has managed to give concrete opinions on a couple of things, so I would think that nancy is justified in thinking Ico could do something similar.In post 74, NorwegianboyEE wrote:It’s a silly question because Iconeum said they were going V/LA and Nancy asks on page 2 if they have something to say about the game "so far". Like there’s been so much happening.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Like I know I keep harping on this but if there's one mindset I can't stand in mafia its the "lol nothing has happened! it's too early!" mindset. Like, not only do I fundamentally disagree with the statement that "not much has happened" in this game in particular, but how the hell do you think things happen? Just randomly? This is ultimately probably NAI but it's sure as heck anti town.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Heres a run down of what I think so far:
1) I like misty's responses to my questions. They dealt with the pressure well and their answers have a logical consistency to them. I don't really agree with the method of favoring town hunting over scum hunting, but at least they're noting things and have reasons for what they're doing that make a lot of sense to me.
2) Zors reaction to my vote is ultimately NAI. I wanted to see if he would place a different vote or would stick with the NbEE vote. The main thing I don't like about it is that it chooses to actively continue not interacting with the game. This is a very minor ping but I want to call it out because its worth noting later when I go back and look at zor with the benefit of more information.
3) Flavor Leaf has a whole lot of posts with a whole little of substance. I'm not a fan of it so far but like the previous thing its minor because we're so early so I just want to note it for later that its bugging me.
4) I'm not sure why ramcius is getting a pass. Nancy made a response to ico for their entrance into the game, and while they're right there's no content there at least Ico basically said "Hey I'm here, VLA!" which explains the lack of substance. Ramcius has given us nothing of the sort and their iso is basically nonsense. The only thing even resembling a game relevant statement is his theory craft response towards BBMolla.
Think I'm going to VOTE: Ramciustout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I have not even the slightest idea what this means.In post 82, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I disagree that there isn't substance, it's just going to show up later.In post 79, Thestatusquo wrote:3) Flavor Leaf has a whole lot of posts with a whole little of substance. I'm not a fan of it so far but like the previous thing its minor because we're so early so I just want to note it for later that its bugging me.
I'm Ultra Instinct Goku (not game wise, just real life)tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I'd like you to give an indication that you're looking. What have you looked at? Why did you decide it wasn't AI. There's been a bunch that has happened so I'm not letting you get away with "I have nothing to say."In post 89, Ramcius wrote:
Any particular thing so far you want me to comment? I haven't seen anything strongly AI yet, therefore I have nothing to sayIn post 79, Thestatusquo wrote:Heres a run down of what I think so far:
1) I like misty's responses to my questions. They dealt with the pressure well and their answers have a logical consistency to them. I don't really agree with the method of favoring town hunting over scum hunting, but at least they're noting things and have reasons for what they're doing that make a lot of sense to me.
2) Zors reaction to my vote is ultimately NAI. I wanted to see if he would place a different vote or would stick with the NbEE vote. The main thing I don't like about it is that it chooses to actively continue not interacting with the game. This is a very minor ping but I want to call it out because its worth noting later when I go back and look at zor with the benefit of more information.
3) Flavor Leaf has a whole lot of posts with a whole little of substance. I'm not a fan of it so far but like the previous thing its minor because we're so early so I just want to note it for later that its bugging me.
4) I'm not sure why ramcius is getting a pass. Nancy made a response to ico for their entrance into the game, and while they're right there's no content there at least Ico basically said "Hey I'm here, VLA!" which explains the lack of substance. Ramcius has given us nothing of the sort and their iso is basically nonsense. The only thing even resembling a game relevant statement is his theory craft response towards BBMolla.
Think I'm going to VOTE: Ramciustout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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literally read the post that you're quoting.In post 99, Ramcius wrote:
A bunch? Can you name a few things that you think are strongly AI? Given how you're harping at me for not posting anything relevant means that you haven't seen anything scum AI yourself yet, so what this interrogation is really about?In post 91, Thestatusquo wrote:
I'd like you to give an indication that you're looking. What have you looked at? Why did you decide it wasn't AI. There's been a bunch that has happened so I'm not letting you get away with "I have nothing to say."In post 89, Ramcius wrote:
Any particular thing so far you want me to comment? I haven't seen anything strongly AI yet, therefore I have nothing to sayIn post 79, Thestatusquo wrote:Heres a run down of what I think so far:
1) I like misty's responses to my questions. They dealt with the pressure well and their answers have a logical consistency to them. I don't really agree with the method of favoring town hunting over scum hunting, but at least they're noting things and have reasons for what they're doing that make a lot of sense to me.
2) Zors reaction to my vote is ultimately NAI. I wanted to see if he would place a different vote or would stick with the NbEE vote. The main thing I don't like about it is that it chooses to actively continue not interacting with the game. This is a very minor ping but I want to call it out because its worth noting later when I go back and look at zor with the benefit of more information.
3) Flavor Leaf has a whole lot of posts with a whole little of substance. I'm not a fan of it so far but like the previous thing its minor because we're so early so I just want to note it for later that its bugging me.
4) I'm not sure why ramcius is getting a pass. Nancy made a response to ico for their entrance into the game, and while they're right there's no content there at least Ico basically said "Hey I'm here, VLA!" which explains the lack of substance. Ramcius has given us nothing of the sort and their iso is basically nonsense. The only thing even resembling a game relevant statement is his theory craft response towards BBMolla.
Think I'm going to VOTE: Ramciustout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Pretty happy with my vote though, since as far as I can tell our interaction went like this:
1) I call you out for having no posts of game substance
2) You respond asking me what I would like you to comment on because nothing has happened that is AI.
3) I say I'm not letting you get away with that because a bunch has happened and I ask you to tell me what things you've looked at that have happened that were not AI and how you arrived at that conclusion because I want to see where and what you're looking at and your thought process behind why you've come to your conclusions that not much AI has happened.
4) You respond with essentially "NO U" to me by saying I haven't provided much either while quoting a post where I list things that have happened that I found either noteworthy or AI and fail to answer my question.
5) I point out you haven't answered my question and point out that literally the post you're quoting which you clearly haven't even read includes the things youre accusing me of "also not doing"
6) You go through the things in that post while STILL not answering my question and then ask if I'm satisfied.
I am interested in your thought process. I am interested in any indication that you're reading the game in a way thats attempting to discern alignment. If nothing has happened that is AI it should be trivial to point out where things have happened that you considered and then dismissed. I just don't see any indication that you're trying to find scum at all.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Can you give me more info on the ramcius meta stuff, because I haven't played with them at all.In post 119, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
You won’t find that game if you do a metadive on me. However, I won’t ask you who you think I was in that game.In post 113, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Pooky vs Flavour Leaf.In post 100, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Out of curiosity, how do you know my scumgame? Of everyone who has posted, I believe only FL, Misty and Ico have seen it.In post 95, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
You seem to do it as both allignments so not really.In post 94, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I disagreed with you. Why do you read that as irritation? And since you apparently are, do you have any take on it?In post 92, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Tempers already flaring from Nancy i see.
Anyway, based off of meta, I’m liking Misty, you and Ram so far. I’ve never played with Shea before so I just ISO’d him in both a town and scum game so my tr on him may possibly have been premature based off of that. I need more from Ram but based on the only scumgame of his I’ve read, nothing is so far making me think this read is wrong.
Still not sure on FL but that paranoia from him may be possibly town indicative but he’s fooled me before, so I also wouldn’t put it past him to do that as a pocket because anything else from him would probably ping me.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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how is asking you to have an opinion on things that have happened so far busywork? How is asking what your thought process is for if something is alignment indicative or not busy work? How are those not the core tenets of being town vs being scum in a game of mafia.In post 135, Ramcius wrote:
Very first one, where he voted meIn post 133, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Can you elaborate on what about Status's post reeked of scum busywork?In post 131, Ramcius wrote:Well, except for your insistence on your initial post that reeks scum busyworktout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Yes, because I need to sort YOU. So I am interested in YOUR thought process and YOUR conclusions and how you reached them.In post 154, Ramcius wrote:
Is scumhunting without any results is a scumhunting?In post 142, BBmolla wrote:The “scum busywork” to describe scumhunting is lultout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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This is a strawman. I never claimed that you were more important than any other slot.In post 167, Ramcius wrote:
What makes my slot more important than the rest?In post 164, Thestatusquo wrote:
Yes, because I need to sort YOU. So I am interested in YOUR thought process and YOUR conclusions and how you reached them.In post 154, Ramcius wrote:
Is scumhunting without any results is a scumhunting?In post 142, BBmolla wrote:The “scum busywork” to describe scumhunting is lultout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Keely thinks this is a really weird post. He wonders why you would want someone to stop putting pressure in a place where they think scum might live.In post 188, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I think you should focus less on Ramcius for a while and if he keeps being egregious you can go back to him Statusquo.
He also thinks that townRamcius would have voted me based off of how he's portraying his reaction to my push, like if you think I'm attacking you for garbage and busy work where is the vote? It's wonky to be keeping a RVS vote in this case given how he's posturing towards me.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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This is a misrepresentation of me and my play and also frankly I would prefer if firebringer didn't talk to me.In post 190, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Firebringer told me to ask you to slack off your 1v1.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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This feels weirdly personal on a level that it seems like it might be not productive to pursue right now. I don't think it would be productive for this day to turn into you and FL sniping at each other.In post 208, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:@FL I haven’t forgotten about how you tried to push me in PA. It kind’ve started slow with you saying nonsense like you would scumread my townreads, then you hard instigated a 1v1 with me that went on for pages, only to claim you really wanted to miselim Mastina but what ended up happening was that we miselimmed because you spammed the game with that garbage and caused us to have a last minute miselim. I haven’t forgotten a damned thing that you did to me in that game.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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aight then.In post 232, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Oh no, I can 100% assure that isn’t the case. Me and FL are good - personally speaking.In post 227, Thestatusquo wrote:
This feels weirdly personal on a level that it seems like it might be not productive to pursue right now. I don't think it would be productive for this day to turn into you and FL sniping at each other.In post 208, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:@FL I haven’t forgotten about how you tried to push me in PA. It kind’ve started slow with you saying nonsense like you would scumread my townreads, then you hard instigated a 1v1 with me that went on for pages, only to claim you really wanted to miselim Mastina but what ended up happening was that we miselimmed because you spammed the game with that garbage and caused us to have a last minute miselim. I haven’t forgotten a damned thing that you did to me in that game.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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You gunna explain? What are your or Cephs thoughts on my interactions with ramcius if you're reading the thread?In post 238, zoraster wrote:I've been told I can't quote my teammates but I CAN paraphrase them so, here's Cephrir laying down a dope beat:
Yo Zoraster, you got to do something, man
Can't just lurk around like you got no plan
See Flavor Leaf made a scummy vote
You gotta push his wagon until you're sore in the throat.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Insofar as its on a player I think is town, maybe. Otherwise it seems very similar to a couple other medium random votes/naked votes in the game by other players, like this this this this, no this is a different post, not the other naked pine vote earlier
So basically my question is why this over other things, I expect there was a reason it was picked out over other similar things so that's what I want to know.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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If anything I kind of TR the entrance. Jumps in the thread, picks a random post and is like "this vote is scummy U KNO Y" and then yeets off to continue playing Valorant or whatever. Does scum make a reentrance like that? I kind of doubt it, don't see a lot of motivation for it.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Because I don't see scum motivation to do it and I tend to think town is more carefree about stuff like that as scum. At least for me I tend to be more tight and controlled with my posting when I'm scum and thinking more in depth about the ramifications of what I'm doing for overall game state. So I'm probably projecting a little bit here from myself onto zor but that's why I said 'if anything.' I don't think its a super townie point or anything but if anything I think its more likely to come from town than scum, which is why I was perturbed when like 3 people immediately said "yeah this is scummy."In post 263, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Why is that town? At best it’s NAI.In post 259, Thestatusquo wrote:If anything I kind of TR the entrance. Jumps in the thread, picks a random post and is like "this vote is scummy U KNO Y" and then yeets off to continue playing Valorant or whatever. Does scum make a reentrance like that? I kind of doubt it, don't see a lot of motivation for it.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Didn't say it was a bad vote. Was saying I didn't understand it given that I don't think zor has done anything that I find scummy and the post in question I think is slightly more likely to come from town than scum. If its just like a "hey, lets push on this a bit to see if it falls over" then its not a bad vote, but if its not that and its a vote with a more pronounced scum read I think its weird.In post 260, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
They didn’t like their vote on FL. Also, I don’t know what they’ve done that makes this a bad vote in your opinion.In post 258, Thestatusquo wrote:I don't think anything zor has done has been scummy, really.
Interested in hearing why Koba or anyone disagrees.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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yeah ok, I'll go with weird then. I think there's much better places to push right now. Like for instance how ramcius disappeared from the thread as soon as I stopped focusing on them and how like 3 different people said "ramcius is a good vote" or "I agree with tsq on ramcius" but none of them actually managed to find their votes there.
Doesn't make a fella want to move his vote and I think there should be more pressure here.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Can you link me or at the least give me a full name of the game so I can take a look.In post 276, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I will probably switch to this. Based on MfD, he had an almost identical entrance. I still don’t tr Zor but I think I think Pine is probably scum based off of entrance.
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Some thoughts from Reck:
1) He thinks bbmolla's entrance with calling FL scum that can be left for later is super weird and pithy but he's getting idgaf vibes from him and he thinks that's town lean. He thinks there's negative points for voting pine for lurking/not posting yet.
2) He thinks FL open claiming scum in post 54 is exactly the kind of ballsy wink nod play that FL gets away with as scum all the time.
3) Or Zor he says: zor is scum. a) for doing a bad rap. for b) because his team making the claim FL's vote was scummy and then doubling down and saying the burden of proof is on me ("don't YOU think its scummy?") is really bad. He thinks it's zor pass off his teams thoughts as way more interesting than they actually are and then tossing the ball back to me and running away when he can't defend it.
3) He thinks Akarins entrance into the game is very bad and lazy. Textbook avoiding direct commentary on the game, avoiding talking about ram, fluffy content about IRL to avoid addressing the game. He thinks its a perfect example of empty content meant to look important.
4) Pines entrance is stupid. NAI, just stupid.
I actually don't really agree with a lot of this. I think BBMolla is not doing much and I don't really think I can get to a town read from there, I also don't think its entirely clear that BBMolla is voting pine for not posting. Obviously I don't fully agree on Zor but I will say the way he's putting it isnt an angle I had considered.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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This is literally just not true. I told you what I wanted very plainly:In post 284, Ramcius wrote:
What makes him think that I wouldn't vote you as a scum here? To put it simply, I have no idea about your playstyle, so I wanted to know you better first, people become really defensive after being votedIn post 189, Thestatusquo wrote:
Keely thinks this is a really weird post. He wonders why you would want someone to stop putting pressure in a place where they think scum might live.In post 188, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I think you should focus less on Ramcius for a while and if he keeps being egregious you can go back to him Statusquo.
He also thinks that townRamcius would have voted me based off of how he's portraying his reaction to my push, like if you think I'm attacking you for garbage and busy work where is the vote? It's wonky to be keeping a RVS vote in this case given how he's posturing towards me.
Also to make some things clear, I didn't got aggressive due pressure vote, I did it because you refused to engage in a discussion, normally people would list things they want to know, you just kept this vague "a bunch of things happened" and expected me to look for things on my own. Also I got an idea that you had no intentions for a discussion and your only goal was reaction test vote given you did same to zor
I clarified again.In post 91, Thestatusquo wrote: I'd like you to give an indication that you're looking. What have you looked at? Why did you decide it wasn't AI. There's been a bunch that has happened so I'm not letting you get away with "I have nothing to say."
I stated it then a third time.In post 115, Thestatusquo wrote:You have still not answered my question, which had nothing to do with what I have or have not found alignment indicative but rather with what things you have been looking at and why you decided they were NAI.
So no, I'm not.
I was very clear about what I was asking you to do. You made the claim that nothing had happened that is alignment indicative, so that necessarily means that of the many posts that had happened are in your opinion NAI. So you had to decide that was true, and I was interested in what those things you'd thought about were and why you'd decided they were NAI. This like literally is not hard. You've now 1) attacked me as "not doing the thing I was asking you to do" which was false and demonstrably so in the literal post you were quoting 2) strawmanned me and claimed I was arguing that it was more important to sort you than other slots, 3) attempted to poison my well by claiming that I asking you to do "scum busy work" which was literally just asking you to take basic actions in a game of mafia that all mafia players should take EVERY SINGLE GAME, and now you're saying I was unclear in what I was asking you for which is again just demonstrably false.In post 118, Thestatusquo wrote:*forehead* I don't mean what is NAI in a general sense I mean what has happened in this game that is NAI and why have you come to the conclusion that it is.
Even now you're using this conversation as an excuse to NOT TALK ABOUT THE GAME. Tons of things have happened. Most players have given opinions on lots of stuff. You still basically have not, while continuing to post only every time your name comes up. The basically only stance you have taken is to shade me repeatedly without voting me. So the only stance you've taken in the game is still not you attempting to vote scum out of the game, the one thing you'd want to do if you were town.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Like yeah you're right it was a reaction vote at first which was contingent to how I was able to read your thought process as to whether you were trying to find scum based on how you answered the question. Based on your reaction to my question my only conclusion is that you're not actively reading the thread and deciding if things are alignment indicative or not, i.e. you're not trying to find scum. I asked you to explain just SOME reasoning for a thought process town should be undertaking almost literally every post, and you couldn't do it. So now I'm voting you because I think you're scum. Full stop. We ain't reaction testing anymore. Town would have SOME thought process to talk about for how they're sorting and what things they've continued. You've got nothing and have used this as an excuse to CONTINUE to not have any.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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This is still not an opinion on literal anything that has happened in the game that isn't you or me.In post 288, Ramcius wrote:
I live in GMT+2, I simply went to sleepIn post 275, Thestatusquo wrote:yeah ok, I'll go with weird then. I think there's much better places to push right now. Like for instance how ramcius disappeared from the thread as soon as I stopped focusing on them and how like 3 different people said "ramcius is a good vote" or "I agree with tsq on ramcius" but none of them actually managed to find their votes there.
Doesn't make a fella want to move his vote and I think there should be more pressure here.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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This is literally another blatant misrep. I have a strong scum read on you which I am backing up with a vote. I have a town read on misty which I've talked about several times. I've given my teammates reads on several players in the game and talked about where I agreed and disagreed with them. I've talked about my thoughts on zors entrance and response to me in the context of disagreeing with people who were literally scum reading him.In post 292, Ramcius wrote:Also you talk about things happening, yet I don't see your reads based on these events. Zor thing is NAI
Like this is just blatantly false. Like not even close to true.
Try again please, I have more game content in this literal post than you have in the entire thread.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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So I'm conflicted about this, yeah the entrance is kind of similar. Not sure its really all THAT similar, but there are similarities.In post 280, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81087&user_select%5B%5D=29435In post 279, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I’ll try to find it. Marked for Death. He was my scumbuddy in that game and last year he was also on my team and he was giving tons of reads.In post 277, Thestatusquo wrote:
Can you link me or at the least give me a full name of the game so I can take a look.In post 276, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I will probably switch to this. Based on MfD, he had an almost identical entrance. I still don’t tr Zor but I think I think Pine is probably scum based off of entrance.
Additionally I went back through like 20 games of pine and was unable to find any town games where they did this. At the same time, there were plenty of scum games where he didn't do this and this is literally the only example where he did. So like, it seems like a pretty weak point to me, basically.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Like you keep lashing out seemingly at random with these "Gotcha!"s that you think will discredit me and all of them are just completely inaccurate and obviously so with even the smallest amount of scrutiny.
Like I think its gunna take a lot for me to move my vote off of ramcius folks. Sometimes "too scum to be scum" really is just scum.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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What do you think of my interaction with misty? What do you think of Nancy's thoughts on pine/their interaction with you? Like I'm feeling like both of those players should be in town piles pretty easily so I'm going to need more from you here.In post 310, Flavor Leaf wrote:I feel like I have a good take on things right now, but I don't have any scum reads yet. I have a lot of "this could be scum, this could be", like with Mistyx and Nancy they both did things I thought was scummy, but then flipped and did things I thought was townie.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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