This is what that was in reply to.In post 2152, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Less since reading that game but he does sound way more genuine in this one but I need him to answer my question about that post I referenced and what makes your reads’ posts different here. I cant even tr the anger because he did that there too, so all I’ve got basically is he sounds a lot more genuine here and isn’t being a lamisty tryhard.In post 2149, Eddie Cane wrote:Are you still extremely confident krazy is town?
Do you have any negative history with Krazy? I know he mentioned blacklisting FF in that game and I know for a fact, he was legit pissed at him in LNT?
This is a super important question. I’ll tell you why once you’ve answered it.
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This, I can agree to. Danish Gambit.In post 2173, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
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Do you mean this in you haven't played with him before, or you've barely seen him this game?In post 2187, Elsa Jay wrote:Who the fuck is Eddie?-
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Sounds good, I'll show you the ways of sacrificing ALL the pawns.In post 2178, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:We should play sometime.-
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An extra queen would only take up board space and get in my way. 3 Knights are all I need to win. (you'll let me sneak an extra one in, right?)In post 2192, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
But then you can’t replace your queen if it gets taken? Or you’re trolling here.In post 2191, Hectic wrote:
Sounds good, I'll show you the ways of sacrificing ALL the pawns.In post 2178, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:We should play sometime.
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Is that better than chess.com?
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Pops keeps attacking/shading people who have potential to defend her, and aren't on her wagon. She did it earlier with me when talking about how my wagon could be a town-driven scumwagon, right after I'd made some posts defending her. And now she's attacking Bob when she's probably aware that Bob has a tendency to OMGUS, and scum!her really can't afford to do that right now. I think this flips town.-
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Not sure. Was kinda assuming most people know Bob with the way everyone's talking about him.In post 2254, Amrun wrote:Do pops and bob have experience with one another?
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He stopped posting right around when his wagon formed. Now it's completely disintegrated with no further posts from him, I don't think that's normal.-
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I don't think it's reasonable for anyone to find the three person scumteam on day 1?In post 2255, popsofctown wrote:I don't think there's any three person scumteam where I get to feel like I played this game well.-
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@NaCl: I've seen him do a very similar type of VCA as town in a kinda recent large game. He just feels incredibly similar here, and his pushes and behaviour are all genuine imo.-
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Yeah, how is this an obvious scum post?In post 2292, Krazy wrote:
Second obvious scum post of this page but I guess people have stopped caringIn post 2290, Eddie Cane wrote:I find the notion that people didnt auto tell their team their role hilarious. I still cant tell if people are being serious about that.-
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This makes some more sense actually.In post 2311, Krazy wrote:Because he's spent half the game selling the idea that if ank is approaching the game like he's town then he's town, and he's trying 5o ad hominem his way out of anyone disagreeing
But not this, I found myself agreeing with a lot of the reasons Eddie put in that other post.In post 2310, Krazy wrote:Give me one reason that scum eddie wouldn't just tell his team he's town no matter what? What upside is there to telling a team of strong town players you're scum?-
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Idk, Krazy. At first, you were uncertain about him and were leaning town, but now you're regarding basically every action of his as scummy. Is this because his play got severely worse overall, or is scum!you shifting your perception? Could also be town tunnelling of course.In post 2315, Krazy wrote:
Do you believe in ate after ate?In post 2313, Eddie Cane wrote:
like you guys are looking at this and still thinking krazy is town? seriously?In post 2310, Krazy wrote:Give me one reason that scum eddie wouldn't just tell his team he's town no matter what? What upside is there to telling a team of strong town players you're scum?-
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I don't think that's something you should scumread him for. I can see the logic behind that so that your team members have genuine townie thoughts. The flip side is not being able to help with PR kills, pushes.. etc as Eddie mentioned, but it's worth considering.In post 2321, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Now you are pushing this ridiculous theory too? Serious question, does anyone here besides Pops, NaCi, Krazy thinks this even remotely makes even an iota of sense?
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Lul, how is it advantageous for you if you're town? If you don't tell them, won't they just assume you're town? Hilarious if this is a scumslip.In post 2324, Eddie Cane wrote:I didn't, and I am serious.
I probably will at some point though.
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Who's scum in Eddie/Krazy? I'm thinking Pops-town, but I warming to the idea of a scum in them with how confident they are on each other.In post 2328, Something_Smart wrote:What do you want me to talk about? I don't usually comment much unprompted after placing a vote.-
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Oh yeah, I have an answer for this.In post 1675, Eddie Cane wrote:And again, I said this a long time ago, I don't think you and Pops are S/S. Usually, it isn't two scum buddies hard pushing the same thing, its one wrong town and one scum. And I have reconciled her as the one scum. It is easy for a good player to get passionate about something like that as scum, especially if they believe people should be scum reading me for it and think its unfair I'm getting town read, though that's just conjecture.
I'd ask Hopkirk if he's read this game. I don't know him super well but I believe he's experienced and should help out.
Hopkirk's comments so far:
He says he hasn't properly read the game but will try on Sunday, needs more context leading up to the comment to address it fully. He agrees with Pops that town usually get hard pocketed by scum in the hoods. He doesn't understand why pops said about rearranging hoods though, he's not sure if she addressed or dodged that, because it doesn't make sense if she doesn't want to use it. He agrees with Eddie's 904 in isolation.-
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I still don't understand this. You just said that you didn't tell your teammates your alignment. What's the hypothetical plus side if youIn post 2336, Something_Smart wrote:
If they do assume you're town, then there's no downside, and no reason not to do it because of the hypothetical benefit.In post 2332, Hectic wrote:Lul, how is it advantageous for you if you're town? If you don't tell them, won't they just assume you're town?knowyou're town? Why not just tell them you're town?-
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Fair enough, Titus isn't very talkative so I see where you're coming from honestly.In post 2357, popsofctown wrote:I would rearrange the hoods to hang out with a friend, Hectic.
There are several friends in this game I could enjoy chatting with without being aligned
I could go Starry Night and just discuss Advance Wars editions in the game thread I guess. I feel like that'd be a great improvement actually
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This feels like an overreaction.In post 2368, Krazy wrote:That's not a town mindset because you are making peesumptions about how my relationship with ank works. Like you don't know me. I don't know how well you know Ank but I feel like you spent this game trying to create conflict between me and people in your team rather than solve my fucking alignment
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Damn, he was probably town then.
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Idk, just read that and it doesn't feel the same. He never made it personal there.In post 2406, Eddie Cane wrote:Krazy subbed out under pressure as scum in Alisae vs Pine. I'm sure hes subbed out as town too. It's not AI.-
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I see
Amrun and Oka are probably both town if SS flips scum. Otherwise, I reckon it's Bob + Pops + Pissy, with 2 probably being town.-
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Thoughts on policy lynching this?In post 2418, unwnd wrote:I understand I am Krazy but uh I am also not Krazy. What an unfortunate yet opportunistic moment to pun there, surely my lack of restraint indicates I am not Krazy with a C what I did there lol goodnight-
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Sorry, ignore. It was antispewIn post 2428, Something_Smart wrote:
Also whatIn post 2420, Hectic wrote:Amrun and Oka are probably both town if SS flips scum.
I have not interacted with either of those players barely at all-
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OK, could you ISO Eddie and look at his interactions with you and Pops (he hard scumreads you both), and tell us what you think of his alignment?-
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In post 2416, Hectic wrote:What does antispew mean btw?In post 2417, OkaPoka wrote:
creating false associativesIn post 2416, Hectic wrote:What does antispew mean btw?
doing random shit to hope that town will read into it
Before this racks up any more confusion. These were joke nonsensical reads/antispew.In post 2420, Hectic wrote:I see
Amrun and Oka are probably both town if SS flips scum. Otherwise, I reckon it's Bob + Pops + Pissy, with 2 probably being town.-
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Why?In post 2442, pisskop wrote:unwnd Id actually like your opinion on heckboy.
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I'm townleaning your slot, and kinda null-scumleaning Eddie now. It's changed a lot over the last 10 pages.In post 2434, unwnd wrote:Do you think Eddie / Me is SvT?-
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How's this different from my meta?In post 2449, pisskop wrote:Your start. I think youre still faking your reads and I think your contributions after your wagon fell off have been anti-meta in nature.-
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Nah, because I was liking his play before the 1v1, and then I liked his arguments since then. I thought he was overreacting and the attacks on Eddie were a little OTT near the end there, but then the replace out means it was genuine, regardless of alignment.In post 2451, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Because Krazy replaced out? That’s totally NIA for him.In post 2447, Hectic wrote:
I'm townleaning your slot, and kinda null-scumleaning Eddie now. It's changed a lot over the last 10 pages.In post 2434, unwnd wrote:Do you think Eddie / Me is SvT?-
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Yeah, I agree that the replace out should probably be regarded as NAI after giving it some thought, but I think he did replace out because he was frustrated, which means the hostility towards the end there was genuine, which were kinda the only doubts I was having on him as in I wasn't sure if he was actually upset. So if they're NAI, think he's town.In post 2455, Hectic wrote:I thought he was overreacting and the attacks on Eddie were a little OTT near the end there, but then the replace out means it was genuine, regardless of alignment.
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@NaCl: It was because of Bob's recent posts. I've seen this type of VCA from him before where he insists most wagons have 1 scum on them and tries to PoE using that logic. Mind you, I don't entirely agree with the theory, but his persistence about it is consistent with my other games with him. Though, I haven't actually played with scum!him so that's something to note.-
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But also agree with I think it was SS saying Bob is actually interrogating and solving. I'll find the VCA in the large game later.-
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I don't think you're scum because I think you lied about your alignment to your teammates, Eddie. That's a stupid way to justify whether people believe your teammate's reads. Your teammates are capable players who can probably fabricate believable reads as scum anyway, so I don't think people should townread/scumread Eddie for those reads, especially when the reads don't come with the tone, presentation or other little things that you could usually observe about town/scum!Ank/Tom's reads if that makes sense.
Why are you focusing on defending yourself on that aspect, Eddie? Who's actually scumreading you on that other than Krazy, who's gone now?
Pops is top town for me now besides Nancy, I think. Eddie's slightly below average, but I'd still rather lynch Pine, Titus, and Elsa Jay over him. I might sheep Amrun on thinking this is town!DDL not going with the flow, but need to reISO him at some point.
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Do you normally do this VCA on day 1 before there's any flips? Thinking back, you did it in the large game several days in iirc.In post 2515, bob3141 wrote:
That large game was just to much for it. AS it works by tracking every voteIn post 2493, Hectic wrote:But also agree with I think it was SS saying Bob is actually interrogating and solving. I'll find the VCA in the large game later.
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Look at 893.In post 2527, unwnd wrote:So from that understanding Pops/Eddie is another thing that happened? Was under the slight impression it was Me/Krazy? My read is Pops is supposed to be good but turns out to be historically bad unfortunately.
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You made those intermediary VCs yourself for that analysis? That's some dedication right there. Can we have a shotgun reads list from you btw? Don't think I recall seeing one from you.In post 2530, bob3141 wrote:varries. That game i had no easy vc to go through to analysis. It wasnt till day 3 that i was prepared to collect the data myself and it was draining.
Just depends when im looking at teh vote counts allot. I tend to bounce around the different VCa looking at all the comments and votes around it.
Lookign for both those on teh wagon and those that have no reason not to be on it. in earlier game then first scum i found with it was because he wasnt on the main lynch.-
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why? from a townie's perspective, your neighbour has a 3/7 chance of being scum. Also, doesn't it make scum look really bad if they get their neighbour lynched and they flip town? Makes the probability of them being scum - statistically speaking - severely go up.In post 2534, bob3141 wrote:My gut feeling is that scum I think would be trying to get their naigbhour lynched. So am suspicious of any neighbour focusing on their neighbour for scum reads. As it would make sense if they could. But are they?-
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There are 7 neighbourhoods and 3 of which have scum in them. So if you're town, your neighbour has a 3/7 chance of being scum.In post 2541, Something_Smart wrote:
*3/11In post 2535, Hectic wrote:from a townie's perspective, your neighbour has a 3/7 chance of being scum.
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Oh, wait, you're right, because knowing you're town decreases the likelihood of scum being in your neighbourhood, so it's not 3/7.In post 2541, Something_Smart wrote:
*3/11In post 2535, Hectic wrote:from a townie's perspective, your neighbour has a 3/7 chance of being scum.
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You're a townlean, what does Pops being town have to do with it?In post 2544, Amrun wrote:If pops is top town why would you sheep me on DDL?-
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Yeah, you're right.In post 2547, Something_Smart wrote:
That isn't how math works. If you were to label the players like:In post 2543, Hectic wrote:There are 7 neighbourhoods and 3 of which have scum in them. So if you're town, your neighbour has a 3/7 chance of being scum.
Scum 1 - Town 1
Scum 2 - Town 2
Scum 3 - Town 3
Town 4 - Town 5
Town 6 - Town 7
Town 8 - Town 9
Town 10 - Town 11
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Idk actually. I forgot why I was scumleaning you. I think because of your AtE game but that should be NAI, not a reason to scumread you. Maybe because of the way you presented cases, like showing Krazy was making a narrative by showing the post times seemed a little overkill, but that could be a playstyle thing.In post 2555, Eddie Cane wrote:What aspect should I be defending? Those are the only reasons I've seen given. Pops was the only vote on me until Krazy.
Oh yeah, Krazy and Pops probably being town makes you worse due to their scumreads on you, think that was the reason. I know that's not something you can defend against though.-
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I get what you mean, Eddie. It would be weird if this is a TvTvT. The problem is that if I look at each person individually, I'm townreading one, and townleaning the other two. And the fact two of those are scumreading you does makes you worse, but you're town standalone as well so I'm not sure if that makes sense or how much weight I should be putting on that.
One thing's for sure though, I'm much more confident on lynching Pine than picking scum between you three. Compromise lynch please.-
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I'm impatient now because it feels like this day phase has gone on for ages, but we should wait for him to return in case he somehow townspews. I'm no savage.-
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Thanks for the carry, guys. I totally knew Pops was scum btw; I was just testing you all.
Pine kill is ???, i was even more certain about him being scum after seeing the popsflip.