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Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Announcement
Only scum make posts like thatHopkirk wrote:Ok, this is getting scary. I've made about a dozen posts in the last hour or so as I connected the dots and the mods have removed or edited all my posts except the ones that make me sound like a raving conspiracy theorist. The clues are all there, look at page one:
In post 0, Untrod Tripod wrote:Announcing Team Mafia 2020
Thisvent will begin on January 2nd, 2020. This gives everyone amele time to get teampsogtther and for those who wish to partecipate to wiid down their current commitments.n
Team Mafia is a siteide event spwnning five gamea. Teams of four players will be given the opportunity to choose four out of the five gases tmbe placeoin, and will wordtogether to wkn their chosen games. Scoring, based on whether or not your team was in winning games, wiidlltermine the overall winners of the event. The winning team will receive a banner for their accounts that will beeisplayed until the next Team Mafia event or the next Scummies, whichever comes first. The tentative plan for the five games will bed
1. A large theme, run by Lizard people
2. A mini theme, run by the Illuminati
3. A mini normal, run by The Masons (fuck masons)
4. A white flag open, run by Lizard people
5. Assassinations of anyone who worked out what we're really up to, run by Micc
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I didn't I wanted to be in the other open game, but I think I was too heavy handed my own personal blacklist and bob got pushed into it insteadIn post 10, KittyMo wrote:Will you answer this too?
I specifically didn't want this game because it is particularly difficult to win as town-
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I will reveal this once everyone has answeredIn post 12, Dannflor wrote:Why did you ask that question?-
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I might be wrong but I thought the EV and actual win rate were vastly disproportionate and not in town’s favor. But you’re right I should look to see how often Tm towns win white flag rather than just generic white flags.In post 17, KittyMo wrote:
I mean, apparently the random lynch EV is almost 48%. I suspect the team aspect can fix some of the issues that cause towns to do worse in practice.In post 11, gobbledygook wrote:
I didn't I wanted to be in the other open game, but I think I was too heavy handed my own personal blacklist and bob got pushed into it instead
I specifically didn't want this game because it is particularly difficult to win as town-
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Well it speaks to the type of person you are generally which is what I want to explore. It is helpful for me to know what type of people I am dealing with since I haven’t played with many of you.In post 50, Auro wrote:How does the answer to "Why White Flag?" give any useful information? The reasons would have been established prior, and there's no picking games after role assignments anyway.
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I feel like you want some grand explanation when in reality it’s not that grand at all. Do you think there is scum motivation for asking that question?In post 57, Auro wrote:
It's perfectly fine to introduce a discussion point, but why not just explain that at the beginning?In post 13, gobbledygook wrote:
I will reveal this once everyone has answeredIn post 12, Dannflor wrote:Why did you ask that question?
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Oh yeah this is what I’ve been waiting forIn post 64, Hopkirk wrote:Hectic hallucinating here. Hi, hello, howdy homies. Hopkirk’s habitually handled hard hostility. Hijacking his hill here, hopefully his hospitality hinders horrifying hamster hostage hazing. Here’s heartfelt hopes he half hammers hazardous hillbillies. Hectic’s heckling Hop’s heartbreaking headache.
Hoping he haggles handguns here… hedonistic hillbillies he’ll hit. Hitherto
heavenly Hopkirk himself!
Hectic ‘Hectic’ Hectic-
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Where is this coming from?
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I didn’t actually But it is helpful to see what people pick and choose to respond to. Like do people ask legitimate questions are do they ask empty questions like Cephrir’s wood questionIn post 67, Dannflor wrote:Why was this something you felt the need to wait to reveal?-
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Yeah explain the basis for this commentIn post 60, Cephrir wrote:Turkey why are you made of wood this game-
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That is a fair assertion. I had two main reasons for asking the question. 1) I wanted to understand the types of players in this game. I wanted to see if it was going to be a lot of people with big personalities or people who thought highly of themselves a la RC/Mastina/Kuribo, etc. It appears that this playerlist is not like that at all, judging from the responses. Save for probably Dongempire. 2) I wanted it to get us out of RVS by giving us SOMETHING to talk about.In post 79, Auro wrote:There's motivation to ask it as both town and scum. I'm only interested in what you've learned from the rest of our responses.
I can see scum motivation in posting a question designed to appear towny while not having any real justification for it, maintaining secrecy when asked why you did, and giving a tame explanation much later.
What's your experience playing scum? Can you describe your scum playing style? More specifically - if you roll scum, would you allow being coached by your partners?
I have only played scum twice. Both in New York.
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I would say that as scum I generally do not care if I get lynched because I hate playing it so I do things that are probably suicidal from an outsider's perspective.
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I mean I don't understand why you think my posts lack quality. I think they have quality because they are helping me understand people and move the game state along.In post 77, Cephrir wrote:
I'm no meta warrior, don't worry. But I'd be concerned about this feeling from any player, and I'm more bothered by a response that's kind of irrelevant to the question I asked than any of the behavior itself. I don't see why trying not to post too much would decrease the quality of the posts you *have* made. If anything, shouldn't there be more heart to them?In post 74, gobbledygook wrote:I do find it interesting that Cephrir seems to imply he has some sort of meta feel for me when we have played together at the same time in 0 completed games as far as I can remember
I don't think this is a huge deal or anything, just a way of getting into the swing of things.
I also find your comment that you are not a "meta warrior" a bit disingenuous when you then go on to say
I also disagree that I even used "big" words. It wasn't like I was talking about psychological terminology or other highfalutin vocabulary. I am confused by what you would even consider a big word other than disproportionate which doesn't even seem to fit with the idea of a "big" word unless you literally mean the amount of letters which is just ???In post 81, Cephrir wrote:I'm put off by your use of unnecessary big words, which I'm not aware of being characteristic of you-
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I'm just tired of being the day 1 lynch. It's been like 6 games now and its uber frustrating because I would say I am above 60% for catching scum but it doesn't matter people just do not understand me and kill me.In post 96, Dannflor wrote:My only problem is the amount of defensiveness you've shown gobble, and why you've jumped so quickly to Cephrir making a bad faith read on your slot. I get it if you don't think your posting has been bad at all (which is a purely subjective thing), but do you at least see why Auro/me would interpret your question as empty? Also, do you have any reads beyond Cephrir at this point?
I honestly do not know what to make of you. I can't tell if Cephrir was being opportunistic by voting me first while you and Auro were pretty openly probing me with skeptical sounding questions or if you guys are town for not voting me despite the tone of your posts implying that you want to-
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It isn't a question that someone can answer because it is so subjective. It looks like shadeIn post 100, KittyMo wrote:Why did you see it as an empty question?
I didn't even see that post, but yeah that is a big personality.In post 100, KittyMo wrote:Anyway: Formerfish's response in #28 isn't indicative of a big personality to you?-
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I think it gave me readable content on you and Auro for sure, I just currently cannot understand what I am looking at when it comes to you both. I would probably say if you and auro are more likely town and Cephr is more likely scum even though I don't think he answered my questionIn post 102, Dannflor wrote:I was wondering if your questioning produced any readable content for you beyond Cephrir.-
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Yeah, I fixed that in another post, I meant to say scum instead of townIn post 111, Auro wrote:Why would not voting you despite our apparent intention to do so make us towny? On the contrary, I'd find that scummy myself.
You state you're on-the-fence about Cephrir here, although you had just voted him for other reasons. I'm kindaaa concerned about the phrasing of this.-
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No but I did come from another site. I didn’t start mafia on msIn post 136, Cephrir wrote:
ur an alt?In post 134, gobbledygook wrote:I am traditionally ate but I try to limit it as the turkey-
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The desire to not want to be voting me is not scummy, the need to move it to another person to talk with them is weird. You just did it with Auro too.In post 127, Cephrir wrote:yes, i did not feel like voting you anymore. is that scummy?
Hopkirk, my vote on you and the comments below it are not related. Sorry if that was not clear-
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I like kitty for town.In post 143, Hopkirk wrote:That was not clear since you said one name then used 'you' several times then didn't elaborate - which gave the impression your initial use was correct.
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I glazed over spam posting from FormerfishIn post 147, KittyMo wrote:I guess I'm interested in why you didn't comment on anything from page 2 that wasn't a direct question toward you. Like, the amount of posts is clearly not being a barrier to you being able to analyze what was there. What was your mindset?-
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Why?In post 154, Dunnstral wrote:Awkward post, I have a hard time believing this reasoning
He asked me why I felt so wooden. I don't understand how I am supposed to respond to that, as either alignment. To me, it looked like a rhetorical question designed to shade me.In post 154, Dunnstral wrote:What empty question did he ask? It looks like you started pushing him because he started voting you.
What makes it weird?In post 155, Dunnstral wrote:This post is weird when you posted this earlier:
What is different between that game and this game? My spat with Cephrir feels extremely similar to my spat with Chkflip, just with a lot less emotion.In post 155, Dunnstral wrote:I think you act quite a bit differently in that game than you are in this game, though.
Where is your avatar from Dunn? It is pretty-
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This is literally not a question that I posed to anyone in this game... It was me explaining my thought process to Dann. This feels like a misrep in the same way Cephrir's "big words" misrepIn post 163, Dunnstral wrote:Ironically, this is an empty question, and how do you expect Cephrir to respond to that, etc.-
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Ok. I am caught up. I don't think I am actually going to wall anything, I'm just going to give reads.
Town
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You can view the Joan of Arc line as the official null line because I have no read on that slot and it is odd that others do have a read on that slot when it has two posts with no content.
Principally, the things that I am most suspect about are...
Dunn being able to extrapolate so much from a Joan of Arc vote on me. I feel like he is projecting and has entered the Death Spiral to get me killed.
NSG stating that Wgeurts was one of the three people in her town block and then not moving her vote despite having ample to time to post several more times after that fact.
Dongempire backing off Cephrir seemed like he realized he went down the wrong path trying to get people to scumread Cephrir. I also feel like Hopkirk is reaching with some of his analysis (particular when it comes to me), but he is very funny so I will townread him to keep him around longer.
I want to vote NSG because she is playing into her scum meta that I saw in Alternative 9P. I find it odd that no one else is commenting on that. It seemed like it was common knowledge across the site since other payers in that game also made that observation.
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Also it is quite unfortunate because I purposefully lurking at the close of the weekend to see if this game would pick up activity if I was not at the center of it and then I had a 20 hour monday and time has just continued to slip away from me. Looking back I shouldn't have purposefully removed myself from the discussion, but live and learn I guess.-
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By commenting on stuff I meant like things that Dunnstral was needling, but I didn’t think it was worth it for the game state to get into a post by post quote strip war. I don’t have the time for it at leastIn post 527, KittyMo wrote:Bruh, be real with me, did someone coach you to do/say this? You prodged Friday (promising stuff Saturday), Sunday (promising stuff Tuesday), and then again on Tuesday. So what I get from that and this explanation is that you had stuff you thought was worth addressing over the weekend as of Friday, then on Sunday went "ehhh I'm going to take this opportunity to lurk to watch activity levels" instead, and then got actually busy. What would an activity level change have indicated to you? I've never really been in a position where I cared about watching activity levels in relation to myself - because I know my alignment already, so I don't know what there is TO watch from that? Like if there's a defined narrative involving other people and no one's challenging it, that's a game state worth examining and can be telling. If you wanted to stop posting to let pressure on you taper from everyone's boredom, I'd rather you just admitted it. Otherwise: please clarify.-
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