Scummies 2007 Nominations Closed!

[Seol]

Best Setup definitely deserves recognition.

[Seol]

PS. By the way, the "Jester" role is not a valid in-game situation. Jesters are a complete abomination unto Mafia and should never, ever, ever be used. Ever.

/disagree

I agree with Glork.

[Seol]

The problem with the Jester role is it subverts a major concept of Mafia which is essential to ensure that players can approach the game - namely, that there is a default behaviour and set of motivations that it is in the interests of all players to imitate (ie, town). All roles - whether they be town, Mafia, SK, or Cult (which is almost as offensive as Jester, but for different reasons) want to

look

town, and it is town's objective to discover those who are not town, based on their behaviour, and lynch them. Doing so is their

objective

in the game.

Jester totally wrecks that, and in doing so subverts the entire game.

[Seol]

The presence of a Jester being known does not undermine the points I made against Jesters.

[Seol]

What's the point of a jester where lynching them

doesn't

hurt the town?

[Seol]

To add to the jester debate: What if the jester loses if he gets lynched, but wins if he gets daykilled or nightkilled? Would this twist make the role acceptable?

What's the reason for the role? Why would you

want

a role that works like that?

[Seol]

So 9 months is still a newbie for scummie purposes?

That's a good question, actually. Since Phoebus isn't around to adjudicate, we can look back in history:

• The original nomination for a newbie was (I believe) informally by Alexander in 2006. No one discussed time-limits then, but Kelly had under 3 months' experience at the time.
  
• I then nominated viper0933, who had less than two months' experience at the time (no one seconded).
  
• Thok nominated Sarcastro in August 2006, when Sarc. had about three months' experience.

Kelly Chen won.

The best newbie award was before then, I'm pretty sure of that... it was definitely awarded to, um,

someone

the year before at least.

Best newbie is the award for the best new player to the site. IMO, it should be based on performance

as a newbie

- so someone who played terribly in their first ten games but has played a hundred in a year and ended up awesome doesn't qualify for Best Newbie, but someone who played well as a noob and has since become an upstanding member of the community should still be eligible if they started in that Scummie year.

That's all IMO, of course.

[Seol]

Vollkan is definatly the latter. If you see his early games he is DYNO-MITE!

Then he sounds like a good nomination.

I wasn't trying to argue either way about Volkan.