Team Mafia 2018: Magical Stories ~Game Over~

[jjh927]

We do need to L-1 Kat before we lynch Sheep though

[jjh927]

And you're right, if we flip the strongman then Fench should still target Hiplop only Hiplop should do poison doctor to be an elite bodyguard instead

[jjh927]

Wasn't it you who said we're not in lylo? lmao

[jjh927]

Unless sheep's role also is "If you are alive in day 4 the mafia win" then we can safely lynch katsuki here

[jjh927]

Nah Fench, Scum have a choice of 1-shot roleblocker or 1-shot rolestopper tonight, either of which would prevent you doing that

[jjh927]

I WOULD like to end the day...

[jjh927]

Yeah but they HAVE to do that or they lose

[jjh927]

If I'm not shooting they can block one of the other things, like Hiplop copping/bodyguarding or Frog redirecting or whatever

[jjh927]

Yeah but I don't really want to shoot Boon that much

[jjh927]

Yeah but honestly I see a big contrast between Boon allowing himself to be put into that situation and Katsuki threatening to fuck everything up

[jjh927]

Because there's still a chance on boonscum and it's better to maximise the potential of our night actions in case of town!katsuki

[jjh927]

Don't worry Frog we L-1ed Sheep already and we're debating whether to L-1 Katsuki or just lynch Sheep

[jjh927]

Yeah they can kill while rolestopped. But see, Froggo gets to rolestop the next night which counters their roleblock if we really need it. Also, because you'd be targeting Hiplop, Hiplop gets 2 cop checks / a cop check and an elite bodgyguard

[jjh927]

The script won't pick up a bastardisation of katsuki's name though, if it does even exist

[jjh927]

I'm not actually sure even SCUM katsuki would go through the trouble of writing a script to assist in self hammering

[jjh927]

Yeah, ftr Frog, drunk!you is more sane than Dave

[jjh927]

We as a team collectively love you, drunk Frog

[jjh927]

Well, Titus and Lycan aren't really weighing in much and Eddie isn't around but he would say it, and Giga and me do

[jjh927]

I can't believe I have to reread this tomorrow

Yeah it's a shitshow right?

[jjh927]

Actually, Hiplop- What night actions have you done?

[jjh927]

Bit late to ask but it occurred to me I never did

[jjh927]

Sorry for ambiguity, Frog. That post was my answer to Dave asking where that idea came from, ie it came from Frog, and Dave should read the game

[jjh927]

Dave, are you telling me you don't have Frog as locktown rn

[jjh927]

Oh you're about to get to the bit where Katsuki comes in and in a shock twist of events he ATEs

PEDit: There we go

[jjh927]

[jjh927]

Frog you're drunk go home

[jjh927]

I really don't think I'd be able to bear playing this game without you in it, Frog

[jjh927]

Because katsuki is scum and not boon

[jjh927]

I'd much rather shoot the "DON'T SHOOT ME OR I'LL KILL MYSELF YOU GAMETHROWER!" guy than the "Yeah sure I guess you can shoot me because the poe pool still wins us the game" guy

[jjh927]

I regret not shooting Katsuki last night tbh

[jjh927]

I don't actually regret shooting espeonage tbh

[jjh927]

Hippo why

[jjh927]

It's stepping up the personal attack a little too far imo as well

PEdit: yeah

[jjh927]

That's L-2 fwiw

[jjh927]

You think I'm the one being toxic?

[jjh927]

Jesus Christ I'm probably one of the least toxic players on site and meanwhile you're sitting there yelling at people, mainly me

[jjh927]

Frog don't replace out while drunk

[jjh927]

If you want to replace out then please do it when you're sober and honestly if it'll keep you in the game we can get a flip by lynching Sheep asap

[jjh927]

Heck I'll even vig boon if we can L-1 him first if it'll appease Katsuki and get us an extra vote

[jjh927]

I mean, yeah

[jjh927]

but please don't just replace out when we're about to win

[jjh927]

Ask Aristophanes whether that's the worst thing that's happened in team mafia

[jjh927]

It's stepping up the personal attack a little too far imo as well

PEdit: yeah

It's not a personal attack btw but if you choose to take it so that's on you. I'm simply commenting on your play in the context of this game.

I've already put together an essentially foolproof way for town to win the game. The way you want to go about it leaves a giant window open for scum to win it (hint: You guys may not have two lynches to play around with if scum have other PRs up their sleeves, along with Dave being a hated townie if both sheep and I flip town as you'd go into the next day with a 6p 4/2 split AND a hated).

Except Dave stops being hated in MyLo and that game should be easily solvable

[jjh927]

Your plan relies on us trusting you when you've done nothing to make us trust you in the entire game, Katsuki.

If you want to roleclaim then do

[jjh927]

And yeah it really is a personal attack because you called ME cancer and not my play, although it would be tasteless even then

[jjh927]

I regret not shooting Katsuki last night tbh

I regret not powerlynching you D1 you're a fking cancer

I fail to see how this is not directed at me

[jjh927]

You could vote katsuki and unvote and then we can lynch sheep

[jjh927]

Really not sure why you don't want to give me the option to vig him

[jjh927]

You're amazing too, frog

[jjh927]

Gerry, vote Katsuki, then unvote and we can lynch Sheep and we can actually finish this game which is gradually becoming even more of a shitshow

[jjh927]

If you're seriously worried about the script which probably doesn't exist then vote for katspooki or something

[jjh927]

VOTE: sheep

[jjh927]

L-2 btw

[jjh927]

Hippo can't vote, so even when Fench joins we need one more person

[jjh927]

and we're minus frog. Sadly this would be perfect if Frog voted here because it would mean Fench hammer for me to vig in the infinitesimally small chance that Sheep flips town.

[jjh927]

Remember that whoever replaces Frog is locktown though and I will be shooting Katsuki when sheep flips scum, and you should powerlynch Katsuki tomorrow when I inevitably fail to kill due to one of the 1-shot actions- possibly after hiplop suicides, but possibly not depending on the number of living players.

[jjh927]

If you combine the fact that Dave claimed with the universe in which Sheep is town, then you get two scenarios

either scum!Dave incriminated himself with his claim
or Dave was redirected from Sheep and Sheep has a legit guilty on you



Neither of those scenarios are true though because Sheep is scum

[jjh927]

Uh, do you mean the contingency plan where I shoot Fenchurch, because Davesaz has made mechanically certain that 1 of Sheep, Fenchurch and Davesaz is scum?

[jjh927]

I fail to see how this has been unpleasant for you considering it's literally just been people who want to lynch you because you've done nothing towny all game and you yelling at people and ATEing


PEdit: YEAH FROG

[jjh927]

Frog if you vote Sheep then Fenchurch can hammer

[jjh927]

But yeah, Katsuki, why say I haven't got the contingency plan set up considering I literally brought it up again at the end of the last page and there was discussion of it with Fenchurch this page? I appreciate the somewhat more rational discourse but it's too little too late as far as I'm concerned. You acting like your team is hot shit is really not gonna fly here because A. I think you're scum, B. You lynched Zachstralkita and tried to lynch me and think that somehow makes you towny, and C. You claim the reason you faked a post restriction was so people wouldn't be able to engage with you because you think it's beneath you.

[jjh927]

Mathdino can explain why

[jjh927]

Okay, I'm here; Hippo did the thing where I'm now unblockable. I'm caught up.

Dave, were you still in Gerry's hood in N3 or was someone else?

[jjh927]

If the answer to that question is yes then we can end the game

[jjh927]

@mod: Can Gerry's role kick someone out of the tower without neighbourising someone else?

[jjh927]

Oh, and is the last person in the tower following Gerry's death pemanently stuck there?

[jjh927]

If we can conftown someone then the path is clear. We can kill 3 of the 6 people in the game before we lose. I consider me and Frog to be conftown. 1 more and we're done.

[jjh927]

Then I guess we're waiting on the answers to those questions, especially the second

[jjh927]

I agree, but it's whether someone else got put in the tower or Gerry kicked you out or you get autokicked on Gerry's death. Also a matter of whether the person who did get put in the tower in your place before Gerry died, assuming such a person exists, would now have access to the (likely locked) PT regardless of whether or not they were permanently towerblocked in a way that means they know that they were towerblocked.

[jjh927]

Oh yeah and Boon needs to flavourclaim right now

[jjh927]

Uh, except NAR only comes into play when there's a conflict

[jjh927]

Your role had no effect on Gerry's

[jjh927]

And fwiw I should probably expand on my demand for Boon's flavour; I need more than just Alice in Wonderland because of how much shit there is attached to that. I need the rough of Alisae's interpretation

[jjh927]

Works same night. Hebi is evidence

[jjh927]

Actually, new angle to get my 3rd conftown

Boon/Fench- the neighbourhood between Fenchurch and Hebi. When Fench and Hebi were mod confirmed town to each other, what was the kind of phrasing? Was it something that was more of an alignment check, or did Alisae actually explicitly state that they were both town?

[jjh927]

I got a message that told me I am now strongwilled and am as such unblockable and unredirectable

[jjh927]

Um, I WANT another conftown. If I can POE the scum down to 3 people, such as you, Boon and Hippo, then we win. We have 2 lynches and a suicide.

There's no way that Shep wasn't scum, and actions that involve moderators giving false information are bastard

[jjh927]

So yeah I don't actually give a shit if you believe it or not. If Boon and Fench both confirm that the beast hood mod confirmed Fench as town rather than being more of an alignment check thing, then you're last on the list of people who could be required to die, but you are on the list

[jjh927]

Well you're bad at logic then

[jjh927]

If Boon and Fench both agree then either they're both scum or they're telling the truth.

[jjh927]

Alisae just confirmed how my role works for today! Apparently I can shoot people who get L-1ed to be the leader or I can shoot the leader.

I don't think I'll do either though although I have thought of a scenario that might work but there's probably some risk somewhere

[jjh927]

That's literally the one scenario which allows for Fench being town there, yes Dave.

The thing is, info like that is REALLY useful and you'd be a fool to ignore it because it's not moderator confirmed

[jjh927]

I think it turned the hood into a masonry rather than being an alignment check on both of them that they could both see

[jjh927]

@mod If someone was neighbourised by Gerry in the night he died, would they still have PT access the following day?

[jjh927]

I know Fench said that the hood confirmed them as town to each other, and that Boon said he could see the hood.

I'm optimistically hoping that "confirmed" is not an exaggeration and it's more of a "Both Hebi and Fenchurch are town" with the key to the statement being that it is objective fact, rather than a "Both of you were alignment checked and the results were both town". So, essentially, hood becomes masonry,.

And then also note that Boon infiltrates said masonry as part of the ability which is shifty as fuck and justifies them no longer being lovers because otherwise scum would know

[jjh927]

It does follow NAR, dave, because in order for NAR to apply both roles involved HAVE to have a direct effect on each other. You're suggesting it applies because you were blocked, ie that Gerry's role affected yours, but you're neglecting that your role had no effect on Gerry's.

[jjh927]

In the absence of conflict nar is irrelevant because everything just works as intended

[jjh927]

And I fully understood the scenario in which Fen and Boon are scum, it's just it's not the case

[jjh927]

Huh, that's weird

[jjh927]

People can say anything they like, like hey I'm confirmed town with joe, but if the mod doesn't say it then it isn't true.
You may trust them, that's your prerogative.
I don't. Nothing is ever confirmed until the mod says it publicly.

[jjh927]

Fen is definitely scum.

[jjh927]

???

[jjh927]

You seem suddenly so sure of something when you don't have all the information

[jjh927]

Again, when one of them shows up we're pretty likely to hit a point where the only way that Fench is scum also involves Sheep actually being town which is still simply not the case

[jjh927]

Boon, in the Fench-Hebi hood, how were they confirmed as town to each other?

[jjh927]

JJ you didn’t get neighborized, did you?

No.

[jjh927]

It says that the both of them are town.

Did it mention anything about this being an alignment check or was it just stated that they were both town in no uncertain terms?

[jjh927]

And no, Dave is so sure that Fenchurch is scum that he's missing the obvious and I'm pretty sure he's the only one pushing the Boon-Fench narrative. Sheep was scum, so we're not looking for a scum pair

[jjh927]

And when I have absolute confirmation that the mod stated that Fench was town outside of any alignment check nonsense from Boon, I'll vote for the Frog queen and you'll lynch Boon and we'll all live happily ever after

[jjh927]

Yeah and it looks permanent too

[jjh927]

Well, I'm basically a strongman vig now

[jjh927]

We already have, when Boon confirms what I already know

[jjh927]

If we take me and Frog to be conftown and then learn that Fench can only be scum with Boon, then we have 3 non conf players, 2 lynches and a suicide

[jjh927]

It says that the both of them are town.

Did it mention anything about this being an alignment check or was it just stated that they were both town in no uncertain terms?

[jjh927]

Boon, seriously, answer that follow-up

[jjh927]

There we go that didn't show up in pedit

[jjh927]

VOTE: Frog

Let's finish this

[jjh927]

Flawless strategy:

Lynch Boon, Hippo suicide, Lynch Dave

Fench is now conftown if Boon is town and me and Frog are both town

[jjh927]

We can literally confirm me.

And it’s literally confirmed scum is in one of Dave/Fench.

Uh what? Since when?

[jjh927]

Neither of those things are true OR logical and you seemed far more willing to die when it was less likely

[jjh927]

The nightkill will be on one of me and Frog, and you can still lynch without one of us

[jjh927]

Boon, clearly you think there's something I've missed, so explain the logic rather than just claiming it's there.

1. How can you conftown yourself?
2. Why is there confirmed scum in Fench and Dave?

[jjh927]

Frog, Boon just confirmed that in the neighbourhood between Hebi and Fench, Alisae outright STATED that they were both town. That means it doesn't come under the umbrella of alignment checks, and as such wouldn't be affected by a godfather.

Boon's true love power turned that hood into a masonry, then infiltrated Boon into it

[jjh927]

You could have done that last night and scum still have a rolestopper, right?

[jjh927]

How does confirming the two people in the hood as town NOT turn it into a masonry?

[jjh927]

You could have done that last night and scum still have a rolestopper, right?

Scum can’t use rolestop on themselves

There’s only 1 scum left in your plan

Oh wow that makes things a LOT better

[jjh927]

Boon, you could have pushed for this exact plan yesterday

[jjh927]

How about this:

Boon, ask Alisae if the confirmation in the Hebi-Fench hood would be affected by a godfather.

We'll get Fench to ask the same question later.

[jjh927]

Boon, you could have pushed for this exact plan yesterday

See, but I didn’t. That shows I’m town.

Uuuuuuuuuh no it doesn't? You're acting like something has changed which is why you're pushing it now when all that has changed is that you're in immediate danger of being lynched

[jjh927]

What confirms this?

[jjh927]

@jj did you ask if this queen thing counts as a hammer

It does, also we can L-1 people on the vote and I can shoot them. But I'm not gonna

[jjh927]

Boon, you could have pushed for this exact plan yesterday

See, but I didn’t. That shows I’m town.

Uuuuuuuuuh no it doesn't? You're acting like something has changed which is why you're pushing it now when all that has changed is that you're in immediate danger of being lynched

IT HAS CHANGED. FENCHURCH/DAVE ARE CONFIRMED TO BE ONE OF THE SCUM.

Also, I AM in immediate danger of being lynched. Froggy is L-1, and I could very well be picked to die. Like, come on.

Indeed, whereas you weren't in much danger yesterday because Sheep was the lynch. You are in more danger of being lynched today, and also you're the last scum standing. That's how your situation has changed.

[jjh927]

Boon, how does that mean that there's definitely scum in Fench and Dave if Sheep is scum?

[jjh927]

Also dial back the ATE I don't care for it and it reduces the quality of discussion

[jjh927]

Nah Frog you do understand

[jjh927]

I REALLY want to be done with this game so I can criticise the quality of play in the postgame and my teammates can meme posts from this game

[jjh927]

First up, Boon, ask Alisae whether or not the mod confirmation in the Hebi-Fenchurch hood could be fooled by a godfather

[jjh927]

lmao Boon you've done fuck all

[jjh927]

Goddamnit where's someone who isn't voting when you need them

[jjh927]

I think Boon's head is getting too big to fit in the noose

[jjh927]

Dave, if you vote Frog right now, he'll kill Boon and we'll end the game, I promise

[jjh927]

Oh shit yeah Frog isn't actually voting himself here

[jjh927]

Frog, become queen you deserve it

[jjh927]

Dave, if you vote Frog right now, he'll kill Boon and we'll end the game, I promise

I’m fucking town.

And I’m going to fucking tear into you post game for your ignorant tunnel.

If you're actually town then postgame I'll actually explain to you how you did nothing all game until people wanted to lynch you and then you threw a hissy fit and ATEd a lot

[jjh927]

Omg most posts are not an accomplishment

I for one am ashamed for all my posts

[jjh927]

Then why the fuck do you think you're doing a good job

[jjh927]

You're defining a bad job as a good job so you can say you did great and that's dumb

[jjh927]

Frooog

[jjh927]

You could be queen and win the game for us

[jjh927]

Although actually we should probably wait until Boon asks Alisae about godfathers and that hood like I asked him to ages ago

[jjh927]

Why don't you reveal the answer rather than being dumb about it

[jjh927]

This isn't a reaction test moment, this is a tell us whether we have a conftown moment

[jjh927]

Eat rope

[jjh927]

Yeah well state it

[jjh927]

I don't like people who subtext valuable information so they can plausibly deny it later

[jjh927]

Yeah sure you would


I guess we better wait for Fench to ask the same question now. If you've been telling the truth the whole time I am really disappointed in how this game has been designed

[jjh927]

Why have you capitalised it all weird

[jjh927]

You did ask specifically about whether a godfather would be revealed as town by the true love hood thing, as opposed to anything else, right?

[jjh927]

Boon said yes but yeah, Fench should also ask

[jjh927]

Oh shit Fenchurch targeted Hippo last night he's conftown

[jjh927]

DEAD GERRY WHY THE EFF WOULD YOU ROLEBLOCK FEN

[jjh927]

At least Fench is conftowned by another thing. Sadly Hiplop is not.

Let's win the damn game

[jjh927]

Goldilocks is not a strongman so the roleblock is a clear

[jjh927]

I can vig someone that we l-1 but I don't think I want to here?

[jjh927]

The whole 'just right' modifying other people's actions works

[jjh927]

Pretty sure the Gerry roleblock does block kills

[jjh927]

The thing that doesn't work on kills from Gerry is the ascetic

[jjh927]

So, lynch Boon, hippo suicide, lynch Dave

[jjh927]

Actually there's no harm in Hippo suiciding now?

[jjh927]

Hippo suiciding today protects against the nearly impossible Hippo Dave scumteam, which is the one thing that would catch us off guars if we just lynch Boon today.


We don't need to strongwill frog. We have a lynch tomorrow to win the game with

[jjh927]

Oh wait yeah if we cleared Fen that means Sheep is 100% guaranteed scum

[jjh927]

We could just L-1 either Dave or Hippo and forget the suicide thing

[jjh927]

Uh, if Hippo self hammers to get the lynch I could shoot him lmao

VOTE: Hippo

[jjh927]

Why did Boon just elect Hippo queen