Team Mafia 2018: Inventions Mafia Day 4

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: CHeekyTeeky

VOTE HER TO L-1 ASAP

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i was so shocked when i heard that u were gigabyte i literally latestagecommunismed

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Do you have a discord, reckoner?

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Has my swap already come up in discord?

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Your group includes 2 people who should know that answer and your group should care enough about my alignment to have already brought it up.

If the question hasn't come up in discord: I refuse to play with Cabd.
Furthermore I made it clear before the games started which game I was playing in to avoid him joining my game, but he still chose to follow me into my game.
I complained to the mods, they wouldn't do anything, so I swapped out. To this game in particular because Firebringer was already complaining about Mastina being in the game.

Okay, if it just came up five minutes ago then that's something.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Look, who's back!
Aren't you happy? Aren't you all happy? ^_^

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Also please vote CheekyTeeky, this is very important.

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super hyped for the normal

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I do not I'm adorable

[RadiantCowbells]

No, we're voting for the lynch!

[RadiantCowbells]

Because there's definitely a U in omgusing me.

i'm not personally since i think creature's going to be the clear pick since most ppl can lock his alignment D1. i dont see the point in doing so now

I'm not sure this is the optimal use case but I'm still thinking about it

To be fair that's not really that clear, you could have been joining smith's normal and I don't know how well Cabd knows you to assume you'd pick ether's over mhsmith's.

I'm having a hard time seeing how any of this relevant to anyone's alignment except maybe besides Reck being town tbh

the swap is obviously not AI though considering that if there were an issue with one of the player's alignments it would have been resolved before their team picked role pms

I mean. he could have just not joined either of the normals. I don't think that's that unreasonable an expectation.
I obviously fucked up there, but that doesn't mean that what Cabd did was acceptable.

Why are you trying to get rid of me so soon

I'm just trying to get you to L-1 it's totally different

[RadiantCowbells]

think RC's team saw FB's slot/scumteam and RC swooped into the rescue but i can't vote there yet because i promised to policy RVS vote the spam squad

I would have known that Firebringer was playing a scum slot from the beginning. If I wanted to take a scum slot in this game I would have.
For this to be a viable belief you have to think that either I'm either fudging my reason for switching or that I knew Cabd would join Ether's game: which is it?

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Reckonerx

I'm not dealing with this shit. I went out of my way to restrict the games I could join so I wouldn't get typecast as a player who would try to pick scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Uh, because the rules forbid it maybe?

If the reason had anything to do with the alignment of the other slot, he wouldn't be able to talk about it.

Why does the first quote assume it has anything to do with alignment? Do you believe RC's reason?

You say this like you don't.

[RadiantCowbells]

From the five or so minutes I spent thinking about it I can't see a difference in who gets to have it, besides the fact that if scum gets it it's completely useless.

It's not like hider is a difficult PR to use either so it's not really the person who gets it so much as it is their alignment - and creature is the only person here we can collectively agree on his alignment early on

err.

I think that we potentially want to give hider to the third scummiest player to check the second scummiest player and lynch the scummiest.
That way we know who the result is on no matter what without risking someone dying.

[RadiantCowbells]

We can always lynch the second scummiest player if we're concerned they're scum and then confirm the result that way.

But with hider if the hider dies by targeting scum or getting shot we don't know what the actual result was unless it's public, and if it's public we gamble with the hide.

Does cheeky have knowledge of the past games, RC? Y/n?

Yes 100%

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Reckonerx

I'm not dealing with this shit. I went out of my way to restrict the games I could join so I wouldn't get typecast as a player who would try to pick scum.

dat mad AtE overreaction tho

don't tell me how to feel

[RadiantCowbells]

just try to get a read on him normally.

How does this work, exactly?

[RadiantCowbells]

ill also add someone playing AtE as meta doesn't mean they can't use it to hide as scum because i fucking wrote the book on that 8 years ago

okay bye

How many years did you go undefeated as scum? Asking for a friend of a friend.

Reckoner is either scum or his team told him to attempt to policy lynch me and either way I want him gone.

[RadiantCowbells]

Your group includes 2 people who should know that answer and your group should care enough about my alignment to have already brought it up.

If the question hasn't come up in discord: I refuse to play with Cabd.
Furthermore I made it clear before the games started which game I was playing in to avoid him joining my game, but he still chose to follow me into my game.
I complained to the mods, they wouldn't do anything, so I swapped out. To this game in particular because Firebringer was already complaining about Mastina being in the game.

Okay, if it just came up five minutes ago then that's something.

HI CAN YOU JUST FUCKING ANSWER THE QUESTION THANKS

CABD WAS IN MY GAME HOW HAVE I NOT ANSWERED THE FUCKING QUESTION?

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that Reckoner as scum would see himself as a superior player than me and make this play. Nothing he's said has indicated he has any personal respect for my play and he wouldn't have had time to be briefed by Cheetory or anyone if they just weren't around. I also think it's possible that Hiplop told him to try to lynch me at all costs

But I don't think that this is a natural opener from him

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pedit: Guilty if it's not clear from the above I dont think scum really have any reason to prod at it because most people arent going to follow a push there for that reasoning seriously if they know Raybells is town. it's a town line of questioning it's just really stupid

what'd you think of 55 and 61?

I kind of agree I guess because I'd be scared in general to come after RC as scum, but I don't know Reck at all. gonna ask if Dino or kmd have Reck experience

lol

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Reck's obvtown so far but could maybe pull this in his best days as scum. Posting as much as he has in so short a time though? Nope.

Nothing that reckoner has done here is at all difficult to pull off as scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, RC isn't scary to Reck. That's not the part that makes it obvious. It's making him react like that and the "gotcha" and trying to see about his alignment that's telling. Noone's scared of RC.

I have seen very little evidence that he's trying to sort my alignment and a lot of evidence that he's trying to build up to a noisy confrontation.

What has he done that's actually helped to sort me in any way besides to query me on the Cabd situation?

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Reckonerx

I'm not dealing with this shit. I went out of my way to restrict the games I could join so I wouldn't get typecast as a player who would try to pick scum.

dat mad AtE overreaction tho

bullshit and based on even what little he claims to know he should know that

oh honey i was fiending for you to get all cocky and come @ me early

please keep em coming

im headed to bed

pure grandstanding

ill also add someone playing AtE as meta doesn't mean they can't use it to hide as scum because i fucking wrote the book on that 8 years ago

okay bye

Pure grandstanding

What's so locktown about Reckoner from the opening? Because I think querying the switch is a fairly obvious opener for scum

[RadiantCowbells]

Hindu, do you think it's possible that Reckoner is pushing on me because he wanted to pick a huge noisy fight and get written off as town for it?

[RadiantCowbells]

Hindu, do you think it's possible that Reckoner is pushing on me because he wanted to pick a huge noisy fight and get written off as town for it?

Yeah. Likely? Ehhh, not really.

Why not?

The progression on me feels like he wanted to push on me a lot more than it feels natural.

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Like I don't think that Reck would have the same worries of pushing me as the average people who played in 2017 are. In his own words only Kilby was on and Kilby doesn't respect my town game the same way he respects my scumgame.

Which you're playing right into if that's the case.

See the thing is that I don't lose this fight.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why accuse Hindu of ignoring a player with two fluffposts an hour into the game?

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Have you ever played with Adenine before?

like he can be scum but he's not scum because he pigeonposted

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For the record I have an 100% record, minus one game, of reading Adenine to the point of trying to fakeclaim cop guilties on him

let's make {adenine, cheekyteeky, katyusha} my job to sort and you all sort other people

[RadiantCowbells]

For the record I have an 100% record, minus one game, of reading Adenine to the point of trying to fakeclaim cop guilties on him

let's make {adenine, cheekyteeky, katyusha} my job to sort and you all sort other people

stealing this for pagetop

[RadiantCowbells]

the nightkill

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If anyone in this game volunteers to confirm that I'm town that would make my life a lot easier!

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually he was harping on the person defending Reckoner, not the person attacking Reckoner
@People who know CK3, how good is his scum game?

[RadiantCowbells]

if his content thus far is nai for him then he's probably pretty good at scum

[RadiantCowbells]

In post 132, Something_Smart wrote:
It's exactly what I would expect RC to say though.


Which RC? Are you assuming RC is ignorant of self-meta?

Why are you pushing back against everyone who is expressing reasons to townread me?

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Err that last post never happened

I don't know what you're doing but I will love you forever if you stop.

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Okay sorry ily teamworks?

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Man I'd scumread myself right now idk why I'm so derpy.

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Yeah I should really go to bed

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I don't think that hindu's defense of reck is svs

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would you be townreading me if I was anyone else?

[RadiantCowbells]

hi mastina firebringer sends his undying love and devotion and begs you to abandon your preexisting relationship for him

Not really

Maybe weakly - the best reason I can pull out of my ass is that I can see where you’re coming from in terms of reads

if I was scum you'd be townreading me by now, easy. thank you for locking me as town.

[RadiantCowbells]

if there were no inventions I would strongly encourage lynching reckoner before the morning
not even because the strength of the read justifies it just because it would be awesome

Actually had that thought considering how your townplay felt that one time bUT YOU KNOW THAT PROBABLY,,,,

how many lsc memes does it take for you to townread me

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think that we should be giving the hider to a townread

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Mastina if your strategy is to elect your strongest townread what do you think of giving it to creature assuming he’s town?

Scum!creature probabilitywise is pretty low so I’m fine assuming he’s town and not electing him until I have an Actual Read^tm

You give the hider to creature, he doesn't claim a target he potentially dies on scum for no information, he does claim one he just dies, he claims a group and if there's scum in that group it's super easy for them to kill another in the group and make it look like he died hiding behind killed town

we're not giving the hider to a townread

[RadiantCowbells]

if we're not doing what I'm saying then I would take the hider over creature but it's the wrong play

Not a good plan since nothing stops scum from getting the role and just lying about the result. We want the user to be definitively town; we also want to trust in the competency of the user to know how to get utility out of the role and frankly you're the player who most meets those criteria for me.

If we give scum the role and they fakeclaim an inno on someone without dying then we already know there's a good chance of something being up so we can just lynch the person with the hider and confirm/deny the inno yes it's possible for us to lose an inno but we're killing scum if we lose an inno

[RadiantCowbells]

Not a good plan since nothing stops scum from getting the role and just lying about the result.

This is my take on it as well

I guess the advantage raybells sees is that it forces a relationship between the two slots but scum already know everyone’s alignment and can work around any scenario as well

Okay so there's 3 outcomes.

Town hides behind Scum: in which case instant guilty.
Scum claims to hide behind anyone: Know something is up by lack of dying, lynch the scum, we lose the inno/guilty but kill scum
Town hides behind Town: 99% of the time scum takes the double kill and we just lynched 3 scummy people in one cycle
If they don't do that, we lynch the hider and end up with an inno.

I would like to think about this while I am not at 3:20 since I might be wrong but this seemed like the right play

[RadiantCowbells]

I can absolutely make that post as scum Mastina.

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I townread RadiantCowbells

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Does that include rC

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I didn't get an answer to my question

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: ss

Policy Lynch this I should be locktown by now

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't understand. I'm saying I didn't buy RC's explanation.
That was also prior to Shea or Keely being online. They've since both confirmed that Cabd and RC have major problems with each other and that it's not bullshit. Keely notes however that RC's expectation that Shea/Keely would've already briefed me on that note is "skeevy".

In my team we had most of the team except for Keychain who was busy tramping around talking about all the playerlists as soon as they went up so from that perspective it does seem weird that you didn't notice my switch. Obviously our personal situations don't align with everyone's on your team but I don't think that there's anything skeevy about my reaction.

man i have such a hard time believing Spiffeh actually truly with his heart of hearts thinks I'm scum for reading the RC swap as bullshit before I had teammates online to give context

like i am REALLY having a hard time swallowing that

@Anen can you ask Spiffeh why he's shit pls i need good stronk town spiffeh here to talk you off the ledge

I don't think it's at all difficult to believe: it's not exactly uncommon knowledge. At the very least you choosing to pick a fight with me and say that you don't believe me without doing anything to verify my claim feels like you're not actually interested in an explanation but are instead looking for a reason to push on me.

That said I don't want to start overcommitting to reads before I've had some time to let the game play itself, so if you're town feel free to show it.

[RadiantCowbells]

S_S's self meta is accurate but doesn't make him town. If I had to lock him into a read I would say town
Mastina's reason for townreading me is shit but I'm getting deja vu and I feel like I've been in this exact position with her before and she's been town.
I think that CK3 is a lot likelier scum than a lot of the people currently getting wagoned but I don't want to commit to that
Reckoner pissed me off so I don't trust my read there right now and will go back to it later.

No comment on Cheeky at this time

If RC/Adenine/Creature/Katyusha/Mastina are all town then we're 3 short of poe

Raybells do you think it makes sense to nullread me in this gamestate

Coming from who? I certainly don't nullread you

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I think reckoner's reads are basically all sketchy but I'm not sure if that makes him scum or just 5 years out of the meta

[RadiantCowbells]

Err. He's like postured up to 12 when he's scum and you get the impression he goes over his posts like 5 times before he posts them and everything feels really carefully crafted
This does not feel like that and given the context of team mafia I would expect him to be more forced and careful than usual as either alignment but he feels very fluid here like he is as town

[RadiantCowbells]

Like last time I was facing him when he was scum I fakeclaimed a guilty on him I was so frustrated that town wouldn't wagon him when I thought he was obvscum

[RadiantCowbells]

We all love you EP <3

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I think we need to kill CK3 today to win this game.

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you mean checkersman

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I think my initial read on cheeky was wrong

[RadiantCowbells]

No comment on Cheeky at this time

Why are you hesitating on a read on me? You're the person here who has the most experience with me and can read me well. The unexplained hesitation concerns me.

Would you believe me if I said I thought you were scum until this page?

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I think Primate might be scum just off of the back of the one post where he was like what if we want to lynch them four days later

[RadiantCowbells]

Tell you what chesskid

if you take the hider, out your target, and agree to be lynched instantly, no questions if you fail to hit scum I will elect you

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I'd probably vote her alone for that but the whole ANINEN AND RECK ARE SCUM

VOTE RECK WHEN ANINEN IS THE BIGGER WAGON

Is it possible that she thought the quality of the votes on reckoner were better?

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay this is happening

VOTE: Chesskid3

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't have the energy to godcarry right now and I don't think you can read me worth shit under the best of circumstances so

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Cheeky

If she's scum that's fine but if she's not I'm tired of this.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't believe that if you're sincerely trying to read me that you find that scummy. you don't have to townread it but it's not at all a scumtell

I believe it's possible but unlikely that you're scum and I believe it's possible but likely that your group and you decided that I was scum for whatever stupid reason and that you're pushing me and discrediting townreads on me while doing your best to avoid actually engaging with me but if that's going to be your approach to my slot forever then I don't have a problem treating you in kind until you start treating me like a person

when mastina flips town I'm taking the hider and hiding behind chesskid night one.

[RadiantCowbells]

Tell you what chesskid

if you take the hider, out your target, and agree to be lynched instantly, no questions if you fail to hit scum I will elect you

btw if a scumrole ever flips that can fuck with the hider mechanic this is a scumclaim and should be treated as such

If i'm dead by the time that happens and you fuckers don't do this I will be VERY CROSS with all of you and will instruct my teammates to mock you in every game they are still in

This is the most transparent way for me to push a shitty mislynch and it's pretty obvious that I would get lynched if you flipped town.
I don't believe that you believe that I'm that bad at scum but I do believe that you would see it as a good way to discredit me

[RadiantCowbells]

I believe it's possible but unlikely that you're scum

2 hours ago I was the best wagon and most likely scum from composition and play so far

Can you stop bouncing around you're going to break the lamps

Was I talking to you?

[RadiantCowbells]

That was addressed to cheeky thank you

[RadiantCowbells]

How am I playing cheeky?

What is it about my gameplay that made you think it was worth discrediting other people's townreads on me on the first day of the game?

[RadiantCowbells]

She claimed correctly that she has shown no ability to read me and that she was going to leave me for later then started discrediting other people's reads on me and pushing me while avoiding engagement

[RadiantCowbells]

@RC consider yourself trolled scum.

You're still not talking to me: you're talking at me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I'll acknowledge that my reaction is probably more harsh than you expect it to be but I'm not too happy about mafia right now and you've made no effort to talk to you.
I tried to engage you playfully and you brushed it off, I'm trying to ask you about your read on me and you just say no I'm scum.

I won't even claim it as alignment indicative that I'm unhappy with you here because it doesn't feel to me like you're doing anything besides putting me in a box and calling me scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll unvote you because I don't think you're scum but I really don't feel like dealing with scumreads out of nowhere on me right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't bother trying to argue with scum.

I can't force you to play the game differently but this is a terrible way of playing the game and I'm not just saying that because you're scumreading me.

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

If we don't lynch Chesskid today I'm pretty sure scum wins so

VOTE: Chesskid3

If this had been your first reaction to my push I would've believed it :/

Check my recently posted in topics and decide if you think that me reacting badly to being scumread and ignored is alignment indicative.

I mean not only was it harsh it's untrue. When have I ever mislynched you RC??

I don't know how to respond to this. You haven't.


I need a break from mafia right now. Please don't bring anyone past L-3, I will have a lot to say when I'm back.

[RadiantCowbells]

Cheeky please unvote. I'm getting to this game tonight.

[RadiantCowbells]

So with regards to chesskid it's hard to point to what in particular I'm seeing that makes me think that they're scum because it's more of an overarching thing
Most of what I am going to be doing is bringing comparisons to my own scumplay because I see so much of my own scum strategems in terms of how they're establishing control over town, how they're establishing teams with other people, how they're trying to establish an ingroup and systematically get rid of the people who oppose him

yes town do try to dominate games and I know that myself but this isn't how town try to dominate the game, chesskid trying to be the obvtown and lead town isn't the problem it's how they're pushing on certain people, it's how they're trying to divide town and go after the people that are a threat to them early

like his three scumreads are myself, adenine, and mastina. Chesskid went hard very early to defend Reckoner, crying about Hindu harping on about the reckoner thing early, going off on Adenine because his groupmates said that Reckoner was scum, and this is when Recknoer's contribution to the thread was objectively shit. Some of the stuff that he has said since his intro I can see as coming from town but his opener was objectivley shit in all terms, he didn't personally bother to follow up on the cabd issue and just called me scum for it citing Kilby's reasoning. I don't think any of this is coincidental at all: I think that either Chesskid is scum with Reck or is trying to pocket him and establish a 'townblock' around him and is trying to lynch the people that don't support the townblock. And this probably sounds to a lot of people like it's insanely reachy and no one would plan this play but no: read vonflare's game where I cozied up to Bins and TTH and systematically lynched the game around them while they made me unlynchable. The stance of this game seems to be that I am a low threat player from a bad era who can't hold a candle to any of you so if that's true then Chesskid is certainly capable of doing the same and frankly if you think that scum went into any of the team mafia games without a plan to win then you're frankly dumb.

Even more damning to me is that Chesskid made a go at Mastina before they had even fucking posted:

If anyone in this game volunteers to confirm that I'm town that would make my life a lot easier!

Tbh what this game will really need is someone to volunteer to read mastina's posts

And given reck's stated stance on Mastina which I'm going to guess is something universal among the block of older players I think that it's probable that scum saw Mastina as a good target from before the game. At the same time Chesskid was even discrediting me about the nightkill comment which like SS said is completely NAI and completely what I would say there. You try to look at why Chesskid is even voting for Mastina and it basically adds up to was ignoring Adenine. Mastina had made 8 posts at this point in the game and her vote was on Reckoner: following the person that she had said she thought was very town and that is pretty much exactly what Mastina tends to do in games. There's no reason that Mastina should have addressed that issue and it's even more damning because Chesskid previously jumped out at Hindu for ignoring Adenine: If he's so obsessed with people ignoring Adenine, why isn't he going after Adenine? It feels like Chesskid is using Adenine associatives as a bogeyman to push people on without actually lynching them because he sees them as an easy target. I've also considered that Adenine is a scumbuddy here but I feel that is less likely because I am currently townreading them.

On top of this it's just a super strong feeling from Chesskid's play that they're trying to dominate town in a scum way. Like their obsession with getting the hider feels to me like they're trying to establish themselves as the town head honcho, and again the head honcho thing isn't a scumtell because I do that but the hider thing is incredibly ugly because taking the hider to use it on a townread is absolutely the shittiest usage of the hider given that townreads get killed and just generally that the strategy that I've advocated is clearly better. And everything about the way that they
called my push magical without trying to follow up on it screams scum that isn't interested in pushing me as a mislynch right now because they're focused on other things.

VOTE: Chesskid

Elect: RadiantCowbells

I am cashing in all the invested trust in my certain townreads from all the members of all the groups here, chesskid is getting lynched or I'm getting the hider to hide behind him.
@Cheeky and others you think that I'm scum? make me self resolving by giving me the PR today and you don't have to worry about scum RC later in the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yo, Im not caught up but I see people trying to bend what happened into LOLHINDURECK

Here's how it went down

People calling Reck scum. I don't agree, think he's town, say so cause I don't want a wagon on him if I think he's town and I think I can read him far better than any of you. I get questioned about it for like 3 pages nonstop and I explain it's not a hard solid chainsaw read but I think he's town. That's why I had to keep repeating stuff. Cause I got asked about it. Over and over and over. And it's still not over. Also, I have no idea how to read half the people in this game and I'm struggling tbh. That's hard to admit but I haven't played in a while and it's just the truth. Also mastina, I really want you to be town because I think you're a good person. I've only got townreads for now on Creature, RC, Reck, Katy, and idk who else it was. I'm going to eat.

Vote chesskid or give me the hider.

[RadiantCowbells]

EITHER VOTE CHESSKID OR GIVE ME THE HIDER. I WILL MAKE SURE EVERYONE WHO DOES NEITHER IS SYSTEMATICALLY LYNCHED AS SOON AS CHESSKID IS GONE.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also unvote Mastina so that scum and chesskid's idiot thralls don't hammer them before the hider goes out.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like. look at Chesskid's nonexistent progression on reck. Does it look like a genuine quest to sort reck or does it look like Chesskid decided that he wanted to townread reck in pregame? Because he's defending him when Reck has objectively done nothing to be townread for and instantly locks him as town the moment he starts making actual contributions to the thread.

Or we can lynch fucking obvscum mastina

you can shut the fuck up

and I can get the hider so my confirmed town ass doesn't die until night 2

Cool? Cool.

next time don't telegraph your planned pushes before someone has posted. you're like me except shit basically

[RadiantCowbells]

next time don't telegraph your planned pushes before someone has posted. you're like me except shit basically

Uhhhh

a dig at mastina posts always being awful and long is not a telegraphed push but ok

You were isolating mastina so that stupid shit like Reckoner's 'HAHA LETS JUST QUICKLYNCH MASTINA' would happen. Or that was a planned effort, who knows.
See I do the same thing too I start trying to make people get taken less seriously before I try to lynch them.

Are you used to people not catching onto it? Because I thought your generation was

so good

!

[RadiantCowbells]

I am the resistance bitch

[RadiantCowbells]

Like there is literally no resistance besides me to Mastina's lynch. no one has spoken up against it. the closest that has happened is Hindu saying he wanted mastina to be town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yoshi is sheeping me because I am RC
S_S not commenting on it isn't resistance, it's just him not commenting on it. And don't act like it's a standard scum play to not comment when your partner is getting lynched.

Cheeky started calling me scum when I started calling you scum which is perhaps coincidental but to argue she's resistance is a fucking joke

I just don't like how you're asserting yourself as "head honcho", to quote RC, because you can shout the loudest rather than having intention to help town. Or at least, that is what I recall from reading during school and RC triggered the memory.

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And for the record I wrote the book for my generation of scummers on powertowning as scum and you're doing the exact same shit I do except worse.

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Mastina has 5 shitvotes on her because she didn't comment on Adenine and that apparently to this town that justifies a quicklynch.

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ALSO: CHESSKIDS STRATEGY IS ONE THAT WORKS ON THE PEOPLE IN THE GAME BUT IS A LOT WEAKER ON PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE GAME. IT'S WHY DEAD THREAD ALWAYS GET THIS ONE RIGHT.

ASK YOUR TEAMMATES HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT CHESSKIDS PLAY THIS GAME.

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Reck has objectively done nothing to be townread

shut the fuck up or read a dictionary

At that point in the game you absolutely had done objectively nothing to be townread. You called me scum because you refused to do your own independent research.
You had some better posts which is why I'm currently leaning that CK is scum pocketing you as opposed to SvS, but none of those existed when CK decided you were locktown.

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I'm actually mad at Cabd right now

we have to put up with this RC jackass just because he has beef with fire?

Sorry but if I wasn't in this game I'd be telling Firebringer to hardclaim a guilty on you D2.
But if it makes you feel better to call me a jackass because I caught you then that's on you.

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If I'm so overconfident and horrible, why didn't you just agree to give me the hider so I could confirm you as town and you'd be left alone? If you think I'm scum, the same?
You avoided the line of play whereby I would be self resolving as bad town or scum. Which based on your apparent feelings about me is exactly what you'd have done as town.

If you can't form a read based on 3 pages of heavy interaction but want to act like you know anything about how to play mafia I don't know what to tell you dude.

Which post before 63 justified you defending Reckoner as hard as you were? I'll wait.

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Hey reck who are you voting

I don't want to sheep arguing children tbh and I have nothing better to do with my vote while I catch up

Also I've read up to pg 15 or so but Im having trouble seeing and processing the people who are just popping in here and there. Also I have to go to bed soon and I only got home an hour ago so I'm trying to skim which might also be why. Not sure how I feel on cheeky, lion, or areninen yet.

If you don't want to deal with it then give me the hider and leave me to my own devices.

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I literally guarantee you that Creature will not be voting with you when he gets back by the way.

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That's all the posts before 63. Which one justified you pushing people around?

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NO really I'm asking you an incredibly simple question and there's so many ways that you can answer it with ALL YOUR EXPERIENCE with reckoner

What justified that townread? Why is this question so difficult to answer when you've spent the whole game hard townreading him and cozying up to him?

There's not a chance we're lynching Arenin today after how Mastina came in there. Like, it's like going to a steakhouse and getting the burger.

I don't want no budget lynch I want the prime rib.

How did Mastina come in there? Enlighten me I would really like to know why you're scumreading Mastina

What happened to not giving townreads hider

If suiciding on him is what it takes to get chesskid lynched I'll do it and the game's going to get super paranoid of me if I don't get shot later anyway.

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Chesskid's approach to the hider is a literal scumclaim, it's the same kind of shit I pulled in Civ with the dayvig that people are letting him get away with it because he's acting uptight and stubborn enough.

plenty of people here read me as town despite you saying "objectivelY" nobody should

p.edit jesus christ so many posts ill catch up after this game of pubg

xRECKONERx(3) - RadiantCowbells, Aneninen, mastina

And a lot of other people had expressed scumreads on you without following up
Did you consider, if you're town, that the reason you feel like you were being townread is because scum went out of your way to make you feel that way to control you?

And yes: you ended up derailing the wagon and being more townread because you had better content later in the game, but it did not exist at the time that we're discussing.

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And you getting the hider and hiding behind me just means we both die, which I guess is good because then your idiot ass is dead but I'd rather not be soooo

I thought that I was scum though.

RC take a step the fuck back

look at your Reck wagon comp

and then look at the mastina wagon comp

have a shot of whatever you want

come back and apologize and let's lynch mastina

Did I say I wanted a reckoner wagon? Have I been encouraging a reckoner wagon recently?
Like I feel like I would be entitled to given how he's super comfortable with you openly pocketing him but I even took the stance that he's town being manipulated

Or take your own advice and ask your teammates why you're so bad

We started discussing this when I first asked Katyusha how good you were known to be as scum.

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Like even what he's doing now it's not about the reckoner wagon he's explicitly trying to connect me to the reckoner wagon to dissuade the people who townread reckoner from supporting me.
I haven't been pushing on Reckoner for a very long time and I went out of my way to try to work with reckoner because I felt like we were liable to have personality conflicts just because of the way we each are

Chesskid's idiot thralls are town, not scum.

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I have absolutely considered that the mismatch between justification and belief could be a bus but I am not going for that while you're alive.

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I was talking to Chesskid, not you.
Like I don't have a problem with you doing it but I am strongly inclined to think that you're town and there's better targets for the hider imo

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Fwiw Cheeky I haven't scumread you for a while I was just in a shitty mood earlier today and I didn't feel like being scumread. I promise you it's not alignment indicative.

RC how does your dumbassery feel now that there's confirmed 5 people strongly pushing against the mastina wagon

Then why you?

I was voting myself because I wasn't sure if I'd be able to muster the chesskid lynch and thought I'd probably have to suicide hide on him
I might take the hider if I end up having another super unpopular scumread but the vote isn't staying on me if chesskid is going today

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Like on a scale from Clemency to Awoo, how sure are you Chesskid is scum?

I would say about a UTL in this game

so below the point where I'd claim a guilty under normal circumstances but a point where I'd claim a guilty if I feel desperate enough
I am fine being lynched or forced to hide behind someone scummy if this is wrong. I am almost certain it is not given the thread dynamics surrounding it and not just CK himself

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Ok I iso'd mastina and her vote was actually p bad

See this is something people always fucking jump people for in my games
People sheep my votes. Adenine sheeped my vote too, Mastina did it, it happens a lot. That does not make Mastina scum.
Mastina could potentially be scum but there is not even close to sufficient justification for this push and if Mastina IS scum then chesskid is as well.

Give me the hider AND lynch mastina. If mastina is scum I hide behind RC and if mastina is town I hide behind chess and it clears everything up for everyone. Deal?

deal.

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Actually I would strongly rather not lynch Mastina because I think that she's town

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Give me the hider AND lynch mastina. If mastina is scum I hide behind RC and if mastina is town I hide behind chess and it clears everything up for everyone. Deal?

Nah I think the better deal is give me the hider and the mastina lynch

if she flips town I'll find a way to suicide in a manner that will be determinable.

Like this is a literal scumclaim and means that mastina is probably town fyi
chesskid's entire approach to the hider situation has been a literal scumclaim

If I can't get yall on CK I am fine with an approach that involves someone hiding behind CK but that's suboptimal

Btw I think ck is town. I get you think he's going for weakness but if he was scum he'd want to be doing something to be actually proud of. This is some weak stuff from scumck.

Go ask LLD how she felt about my firebringer read in FG's game before we got that lynch going.

chesskid3. Hindu had. chess. BYF did before finishing catching up. If you're gonna apply that logic to chesskid then you're gonna have to explain why every other person who had me as town doesn't matter.

BYF doesn't count because I don't know where his catch up ended.

There's an important dynamic missing where Hindu didn't -really- townread you. I strongly feel based on his behaviour that not only is he town but that he was mostly defending you because of his personal feelings towards you. It happens a significant amount in mafia and I think even if you asked Hindu he would tell you that personal feelings played a role, even if he thought he townread you.

Did anyone who doesn't have a personal attachment to you townread you, is what we need to be really going off of?

And there is a significant difference between hindu and CK in terms of their townreads on you.

Like Hinduragi I believe this is TvT. Just saying.

Everyone always thinks its a TvT when I go after the scum MVP. If you think it's TvT let me hide behind CK.

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Give me the hider AND lynch mastina. If mastina is scum I hide behind RC and if mastina is town I hide behind chess and it clears everything up for everyone. Deal?

Nah I think the better deal is give me the hider and the mastina lynch

if she flips town I'll find a way to suicide in a manner that will be determinable.

Not if you're going to hide behide a TR like a derp! Also this RC vs Chess thing is going to be way too distracting. Get it over with.

This needs to happen cheeky just please.

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Reck stop for a minute: why do you actually think that Chesskid is town?

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Hindu back off for a second. Reck ignore chesskid for a second.
What is it to you that tells you that Chesskid is town?

Because I think when you examine it you'll find out that the reason that you townread him is because you feel good about him because of his actions in the game and not because of objective towniness.
Ask your teammates to take a look at him too because from my point of view it's transparent that he's been trying to pocket your slot from the get go

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Like if Mastina does stuff that indicates they are in fact scum I have zero issues lynching her. But that's not where we are right now.

ANd if we do lynch Mastina, I'm taking the hider.

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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Man. I'm not trying to establish dominance. The only reason I brought it up was to point out that scumreading people for sheeping me is stupid because it happens a lot.
I made a very low key entrance to this game in a way that I would not have wanted to as scum and waited until I was in a very disadvantageous position because I was busy getting second opinions on Chesskid

YOU PEOPLE KEEP USING THIS WORD

SHE HAS THREE

FUCKING

VOTES

FROM AN ABSURD AMOUNT OF RESISTANCE

CANT EVEN KEEP THE WAGON AT L MINUS FUCKING FOUR CONSISTENTLY GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE

One person does not an absurd amount of resistance make

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Creature, does Chesskid not remind you of my scum game?

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My entire team minus Zach thinks that you're scum or I wouldn't have gone and tried to derail the game over it. And Zach hasn't given an opinion ftr.

They're avoiding it because I started the resistance. There was no one fighting it before I started fighting it.

Nothing justifies this kind of tunnel on an 8 poster.

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Can you two take a break from talking to/at each other.
I feel like it’s clogging the thread with redundancy.

If Chesskid fucks off I will fuck off too but I'm not letting him establish a stranglehold on town in my absence.
I wanted to give the game time to breathe but scum are ramping up the pace like crazy so I have to do so as well.

Nope.

I find that surprising because looking at how he's trying to control people it's exactly the kind of thing that I do.
But I guess you don't really see my scum play in the same way that I do since I'm a lot subtler about it.

whichever one of you (or both?) is town, you're poisoning the game and making it way fucking harder for town to do its job.

I will stop posting for 20 if he stops posting for 20 but I'm not letting him get momentum.

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Chesskid is continuing to post so I will do the same.

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20 minutes are up but I have some work to get done after this so I'm just adding one post.

Mulch scumreads RC and townreads chesskid btw.

Remind Mulch about his record reading me and what that means for my probable alignment in this game. I'll wait.
If he says anything about having at all a good record reading me I can show you his history in games with me.

I see it but I also see it as different.
Basically tone telling.
Chess feels more carefree
But when you do it it feels more authoritative.
It’s hard to explain.

Tone doesn't matter, the end result does.
Read Vonflare's game, I was much less authoritative there and a lot more gentle for most of the game but I was still scum controlling the game.

With regards to the mastina wagon: If I let Chesskid dominate the town he gets more and more entrenchted and it gets harder and harder to get people to lynch him. It's why I never lose to new town replacing into scum games, even if they get the read right because they weren't around they just don't have the power. If I don't pick the fight while I can I don't win it. There's a reason I'm being ridiculously aggressive about it and that's because it won't be taken seriously o/w.
I don't want to expedite the pace of the game but I feel required to because otherwise it becomes impossible to convince people chesskid is scum.

I'd like for you to catch up and finish your reads on people, please. Also, you chastise chesskid for being arrogant and trying to steamroll the town, but RC is doing the exact same thing. Where do you draw the line?

I did what I have to because town is in a shitty situation. Chesskid tried to control town from the get go, which is exactly what I would have done if I were scum here and I was waiting for that play from scum. I would not be required to do what I am doing if scum wasn't basically dictating the game.

Also like to point out that I sincerely disbelieve BYF is scum if only because of his vote onto Chesskid.

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Kat, I ask you the same question: does chesskid not, ignoring tonal differences but focusing on how he conducts himself, seem like he could be me playing as scum?

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Kat, I ask you the same question: does chesskid not, ignoring tonal differences but focusing on how he conducts himself, seem like he could be me playing as scum?

Yes but he's also an entirely different person?

like i think byf said he was doing more ego flinging and jerking than you and i completely agree there but i dont think thats alignment indicative

pedit: same creature

It's not about the ego flinging so much. That's NAI
It's about how he's trying to dictate and get rid of the people who won't be dictated to.

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Nothing justifies this kind of tunnel on an 8 poster.

Unless the 8 poster is Creature :X

Hi will you dance with me

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I would be inclined to say that that answer is going to end up being yes.

Chess, we don't. Half the playerlist has no readable content.

So stop dominating it and shutting down any other avenues of discussion.

You calling my wagon "bad" without explaining why certainly isn't winning hearts & minds.

It's not unintentional fyi.
Why were you trying to conflate me trying to shut down Chesskid's dominance of the game with Chesskid trying to take over?

I thought we were already? Cha cha!

<3

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I've burned my energy for today, as long as people don't keep voting Mastina unless she does something more than justifies that scumread I will stick to shitposting

also raybells do you have any non-gamestate/chesskid associative reasons to townread mastina

I actually don't know where I stand on Mastina's alignment and would need to think about that

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Their last post was at 6:36 am

without discussing other games, what other game should I be reading

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taking a second look at mastina's iso the only thing i really take issue with is her implying that creature isnt going to use the hider properly and instead risking raybells getting the hider, who she should know is strong scum and can possibly be misread by her, when she believes that the hider should go to a strong mutual townread

that and her certainty of her read on raybells

i kind of dismissed it earlier but i absolutely see where srceen is coming from

before i move my vote im going to check the votes

She always does that though. Like that's a point in her favour as town if anything.
Like read this game. She came out with a stupid townread on me and I scumread her for it but she was town.

Kat please don't vote can we all just let Mastina actually come back

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Like I don't like the fact that if Mastina's scum I'll be seen as the person defending her but this is shit tier play. There's nothing in this game that suggests Mastina can't be town.
I'll reconsider Chesskid but I do very strongly feel that the way he acted with Reckoner and the directions his reads went are scum ploys.

I have only ever seen Mastina avoid the thread as scum but I cannot say that she wouldn't as town.

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Although, I CAN say... waiting out the time bomb worked, because look at how RC has completely killed the mastina wagon momentum and all mastina had to do was

nothing

this is literally a living example of why scum lurking is an ok strat

If people weren't encouraging a fucking quicklynch on her I wouldn't have said shit.
I have zero regrets about how I reacted to Chesskid even in a universe where he's town and she's scum. There shouldn't be ridiculous momentum on an 8-poster.

This is a 14 day game play like it's a 14 day game and use the time that we have. There's people who have given the game absolutely nothing.

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I'm not sure how spicy of a townread this is but I think Hindu is like my strongest tr atm

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I'm not sure how spicy of a townread this is but I think Hindu is like my strongest tr atm

Pretty spicy if you ask me because sheeping you makes my reads impossible as they are imo

Well what's your chesskid read

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Yoshi, I'm not following why you scumread chesskid just because he is doing what he has always done: pretending everyone is following him via shouting

I mean, is that it?

It's never been about that. I don't judge people as automatic scum for basically playing the same way that I do.
Did you read my initial post?

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Yoshi

Do you not think that Town!Yoshi can follow the same line of reasoning that I am and come to the same read?
The way you gave the read was incredibly dismissive of the read: why?

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I'm aware that you're not townreading me fwiw Cheeky but I don't know what to do about it.

Do you think that me and chesskid is ever a bus?

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I think that cheeky is adorable.

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can't let the game go an hour without a post no siree this is 2018

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I'm in bed but pretty comfortable calling mastina town from that

I see what you're saying about reck chesskid associations but I am a lot more confident in chesskid scum and would appreciate if you vote there with me

Also great job trying to fucking quick lynch whoever's town and voted there

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Also adenine is very probably not scum

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Yeah I'm so pissed off right now I can't sleep

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Mastina is probably right about reck btw.

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Like holy fuck chesskid pushes a basically policy lynch on an 8 poster and that wagon got to L-3?
Why are you giving him the fucking time of day how are people voting this

omfg if we powerlynch mastina d1 i will fuckin DIE
best game ever 2018

So first off: if you're scum I don't give a shit. But this is not at all acceptable from town.
this is team mafia this is the closest thing to a serious competitive game MS and you're trying to PL an 8 poster for shits and giggles because your scum friend made it sound exciting?
Like I love the meta around here but this shit is why no one takes MS seriously. this is why I can have an 100% win rate as scum in MU games and still be looked down for being from MS.
I can't make you take the game seriously but if you're not going to take the game seriously enough to not make this post then you can die.

Reckoner is like 80% scum but if I knew he was town he'd still be a straight policy lynch and as it happens I will happily support it as well as Chesskid.

And everyone else? play better.

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like games are 14 fucking days and people are taking the possibility of lynching someone who has made 8 posts on the first day seriously

It blows my fucking mind I don't understand how this is something that people are actually considering

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Like this shit trickles down

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VOTE: Reckoner

sure.

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Like I don't want this game to be a bloodbath, I came in super low key but if you're going to let scum completely walk over the game and not do fuck about it then I have to make this a bloodbath.

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And don't get me wrong if Reck is scum playing off of the fact that people stay stupid shit like that in MS I have nothing against him and congrats on abusing your ability to push lynches like we

But people were bullying Mastina before she had even posted

[RadiantCowbells]

You're literally my hero right now btw Mastina

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Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it CK3 and Reck who were randomly pushing a hard townread on Primate despite them having at least one objectively scummy as fuck post
because if Reck is in fact scum there's only so many clean gamesolves here and Primate is hands and feet above all the rest of them

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Like I invite everyone in this game to open Primate's ISO and consider why some people (apparently reck) have claimed them as hardtown

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No really because

Adenine is pretty clearly not it
Don't think it's Kat (though I do think there is >0 chance here unlike some of my cleaner townreads)
Hindu gut town
RC town
Fairly sure S_S intearctions not SvS
Primate
EP doesn't take scum
Srceenplay is prob-ish town
Mastina lol
chesskid
GL maybe but probtown
reck
why does BYF take scum on that team ever
Creature lol
Cheeky is town

like there's only so many people that the last scum could be

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IF THE SCUMTEAM IS PRIMATE/RECKONER/CHESSKID3 AS OF NOW I AM CLAIMING MYSELF THE OFFICIAL MVP OF TEAM MAFIA.

[RadiantCowbells]

I like my odds right now

[RadiantCowbells]

Mastina you get one guess as to the third scum

I claimed primate

Who do you want

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Cheeky you should be voting reck

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And seriously holy fuck

There needs to be an award category for this

Like if we're right you deserve paragon off of the back of the last two.pages. I have never seen scum so systemically dismantled in one go before

[RadiantCowbells]

Like we need a best individual game town performance

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I think you're town but I also think you are likely to get lynched at some point after I die.

Are you still fine taking the hider and using it on probably primate?

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Man I need to sleep

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I am not actually. I don't think that's justified rn

Cheeky is town in their place along with probably BYF

[RadiantCowbells]

I wonder if my use of the word probably is correlated to how late it is

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I need to sleep I'll read everyone else again tomorrow

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Yes adenine is town actually but bed now

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I don't buy anyone with nontrivial experience with Mastina still scumreading Mastina right now. Scum are doubling down because they don't see an out.

And creature? Thinking chess reck are scum together was my first impulse for much of the game and it does absolutely line up with their play.

Adenine he himself said that he invented the rate ate playbook how is this not exactly what you'd expect from scum?

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And calling ep town is a logical conclusion because Ep doesn't take scum


I'll get to this later I have actual stuff to do.

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What about LurkLion?

If we can Lynch lion today without lynching reck or chesskid and with them shitting on everyone pushing the wagon it's because he's flipping town.

It's also the highest scum equity in the game so there's that.

Creature how do you not tr mastina rn I don't understand

[RadiantCowbells]

Like you say unrealistic

You know what's unrealistic to me? That there's three scum not in reck chesskid

How many potential scum slots are there in this game to you

[RadiantCowbells]

Clarify that?

Like I was townreading her opener and now she's sort of obvtown

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Mastina is not as good a scum player as she thinks she is or claims to be and she couldn't pull that reckoner case off as scum. No offense to you Mastina.

That's basically it for me, I feel like everyone should take a second to read mastina scum games because she's actually super weak about pushing people. Look at her blah as hell push on me in org 13. Or like anything she does as scum.

I wish Ginngie wasn't on mastinas team because anyone with Mastina experience should have her locktown rn

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Like the only thing that makes mastina scum strong is that people don't know what to do with her. This is straight up not in her scum range. More to the point, chesskid knows it's not in her scum range.

Either people organized out of game to policy Lynch mastina to punish her or they're just scum who don't see either of us as threats and think they can bowl over town without resistance.

Okay that's fine. If I didn't need to maintain momentum I would be doing that too. But I am not letting this turn around.

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You have a person who literally opened the game by saying they invented the ragey playstyle that used to characterize my scumgame and you're townreading him for expressing anger. Like he is mad because he's getting lynched.

I don't know what to say rn.

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There's a lot I want to unpack but I can't be here forever so

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ill also add someone playing AtE as meta doesn't mean they can't use it to hide as scum because i fucking wrote the book on that 8 years ago

okay bye

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Primate can you take your role PM back and get a scum one so I can have been right please and thank you.

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I feel like primate genuinely doesn't understand the creature townreads and their play reads as town outside of that so

[RadiantCowbells]

Call it gut but this page feels really town.

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Oh.

Nothing to do with chesskid.

Just primate.

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Fair enough. I wasn't sure.

I still think that you're town here though.

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I still think Mastina is full of shit.
I’ve gotten a couple of town nods. That tells me I have town told somewhere.
Mastina has played with me before and to have them put me as a scum lean, I don’t like it.

So ignoring how far out of her scum range she has been

You think she's scum because she's not townreading you? Do you think that's a good basis for scumreading somone?

Like what is it specifically that tells you she should be townreading you right now?

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If mastina is the godscum emperor you seem to think she is how did you catch her off her first 8 posts again?

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For the more cautious?

First off when you say she's scum in this game you are implying she is very very good at scum.

Second off you're backtracking on that then trying to push a Lynch based on caution towards a player who actually isn't good at scum.

No one describes mastina as a caution Lynch.

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Srceenplay I have never lost to scum mastina when they were on Ranger or otherwise. She does not justify the paranoia you seem to have.

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And seriously holy fuck

There needs to be an award category for this

Like if we're right you deserve paragon off of the back of the last two.pages. I have never seen scum so systemically dismantled in one go before

reached this again and DISSAPOINTED.

I remain hyped.

[RadiantCowbells]

He openly says he doesn't know where her scum range ends and admits.he might be overly concerned. He also said he refused to unvote earlier because of paranoia.

[RadiantCowbells]

Thor and Ginngie are on that team

Mastina is not a priority scum pick ever.

Srceenplay did I twist what you were saying when I addresses the fact that you admitted you might be overestimating her? Asking for a friend.

[RadiantCowbells]

I've finished and I need time to digest sorry. Mastina's got such an odd writing style.

I note that you said mastina was fake but mastina always comes across as fake. You have to judge her by her content.

If you have teammates who have played with her they should weigh in.

Ginngie was wrong I mixed them up with skirt in my head admittedly- but I would always expect Thor to take the scum role if they had one.

You can keep pushing this it's not going to help.

[RadiantCowbells]

Mastina lost her last scum game too.
To me, no less.
So I'm sure she wouldn't have taken scum.
(Not counting mod is mafia because she wasn't a player)

Do you do anything besides call mastina scum on repeat all day?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I have to say that I am not impressed.

You all should have derailed days ago, how are you so cocky as to think you can just sit there and shit tunnel forever and not get called out

Like I realize this town has been bad but I don't think they're THAT bad

[RadiantCowbells]

Was your scum game considered good in your prime?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like what happens if mastina gets lynched like what then.

Where do you go from here?

[RadiantCowbells]

It's relevant because chesskid claimed Thor doesn't take scum because he lost his last scum game but so did Mastina

[RadiantCowbells]

Reck: if you're town, help me Lynch chesskid.

[RadiantCowbells]

The last game EP was scum in with Mastina was TTHs game and EP single handedly lost it for scum by slipping my slots alignment and getting themselves lynched day one.

Three nah I just saw four

Considering you made thinly veiled attacks on mastinas autism.you really have no right to be talking regardless of your alignment here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like frankly you have been an ocean of verbal abuse and personal attacks and if anyone on your team thinks I am the problem here I give literally no fucks as to what their opinion of me is.

[RadiantCowbells]

You can help town win by lynching chesskid or you can die. Your choice.

[RadiantCowbells]

We're done bud.

[RadiantCowbells]

Not for long hopefully.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not addressing it further within the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Stop letting scum rush the invention onto creature.

I strongly feel we should give it to lynchbait but at the very least don't dole.it out before were sure.

[RadiantCowbells]

Send katsuki my love, pepes, and strongest regards.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fwiw chesskid you are a lot of fun and I look forward to being town with you some day. I gotta talk shit because the mastina push has me giggling all say but I'm having fun here

Like I'm annoyed because I want to just spam memes and shitpost but town just wants to lose so