Skygazer's Mini Normal Review, June 2023 (Released)

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I think this looks balanced at first glance

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I think the switch to complex cop works

And yes it only sees it as 'Informed' without the information, similar to how it just flips as informed without the information

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I will say that I think the chance the miller doesn't claim is low and therefore unfortunately the funny cop interaction is unlikely to happen

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I think it's a valid question, a lot of these role interactions are not very intuitive

But yeah this seems like... Roughly equivalent to the 3 clears/friends and enemies style of game in terms of balance, since the pt cop's target is mostly clear, with a little extra on both sides. I think i'd be willing to pass as is

In terms of player enjoyment, the mafia might get angy if they kill a mason claim and it turns out to be a babysitter. Mafia generally tend to get angry when power roles hurt them, and a situation like this where they make the obvious play and get 'punished' without really having any way to avoid it might make it worse. I don't think it's a massive deal balance wise, and I'd still pass it as is if you want to stick to this but if you want, it might help to like, make the mason something else or make the complex cop a bit more powerful, like 2 shot or something to give the mafia 'counterplay against it'? Idk just my take

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hmmm yeah the babysitter has some extra salty scum potential when combined with the vengeful

what about just making them a roaming doctor mason?

Mm yeah sure. Mafia might still be salty if they try and kill the IC n1 and fail but I feel that's within the realm of what you'd reasonably expect

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I guess maybe mafia could use a *slight* power boost

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since before the babysitter targeting the ic had an obvious risk to it and now that's not a thing

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1-shot combined jailkeeper vanilla cop

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Wait no this isn't discord I should stop shitposting

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Lmao sure that works

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I sure hope the scum this game like investigative roles

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I mean yeah

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hi - sorry i thought i said it more explicitly, but yeah i pass this

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Mafia could probably claim something to make bob and black less clear

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Mm yeah I thought about it and I shouldn't have passed this

I think in setups like this one there's a lot of variance which makes me want to rely on the rule of thumb to try and go after the median outcome and balance that. But in this game the outcome of "town fires three clears, they have a protective, the pt cop is clearish, and mafia don't have much counterplay" is pretty common

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There are also worlds where the babysitter is used as a protective and mafia kill the babysitter etc or scum kill a pr n1 or the rolecop gets a misclear on the complex cop etc etc but I think players tend to find the townsided outcomes worse and in this case they were significantly more likely

Babysitter feels like a weird role in general. Maybe I should balance it more similarly to a doctor than I currently do? It's just. So strange in how it plays out

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I sure hope the scum this game like investigative roles

Probably also should have taken this to its logical conclusion >.>