Skygazer's Mini Normal Review, June 2023 (Released)
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I think this looks balanced at first glanceNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I think the switch to complex cop works
And yes it only sees it as 'Informed' without the information, similar to how it just flips as informed without the informationNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I will say that I think the chance the miller doesn't claim is low and therefore unfortunately the funny cop interaction is unlikely to happenNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I think it's a valid question, a lot of these role interactions are not very intuitive
But yeah this seems like... Roughly equivalent to the 3 clears/friends and enemies style of game in terms of balance, since the pt cop's target is mostly clear, with a little extra on both sides. I think i'd be willing to pass as is
In terms of player enjoyment, the mafia might get angy if they kill a mason claim and it turns out to be a babysitter. Mafia generally tend to get angry when power roles hurt them, and a situation like this where they make the obvious play and get 'punished' without really having any way to avoid it might make it worse. I don't think it's a massive deal balance wise, and I'd still pass it as is if you want to stick to this but if you want, it might help to like, make the mason something else or make the complex cop a bit more powerful, like 2 shot or something to give the mafia 'counterplay against it'? Idk just my takeNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Mm yeah sure. Mafia might still be salty if they try and kill the IC n1 and fail but I feel that's within the realm of what you'd reasonably expectIn post 14, Skygazer wrote: hmmm yeah the babysitter has some extra salty scum potential when combined with the vengeful
what about just making them a roaming doctor mason?No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I guess maybe mafia could use a *slight* power boostNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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since before the babysitter targeting the ic had an obvious risk to it and now that's not a thingNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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1-shot combined jailkeeper vanilla copNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Wait no this isn't discord I should stop shitpostingNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Lmao sure that worksNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I sure hope the scum this game like investigative rolesNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I mean yeahNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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hi - sorry i thought i said it more explicitly, but yeah i pass thisNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Mafia could probably claim something to make bob and black less clearNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Mm yeah I thought about it and I shouldn't have passed this
I think in setups like this one there's a lot of variance which makes me want to rely on the rule of thumb to try and go after the median outcome and balance that. But in this game the outcome of "town fires three clears, they have a protective, the pt cop is clearish, and mafia don't have much counterplay" is pretty commonNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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There are also worlds where the babysitter is used as a protective and mafia kill the babysitter etc or scum kill a pr n1 or the rolecop gets a misclear on the complex cop etc etc but I think players tend to find the townsided outcomes worse and in this case they were significantly more likely
Babysitter feels like a weird role in general. Maybe I should balance it more similarly to a doctor than I currently do? It's just. So strange in how it plays outNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Probably also should have taken this to its logical conclusion >.>In post 25, Ausuka wrote: I sure hope the scum this game like investigative rolesNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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