Cook's Mini Normal Review, March 2021

[Cook]

Response To Isis

• Macho'ing the FN would work, I think.

Response To Implosion

• Informed was a concept I was thinking about for the Mafia in lieu of a rolecop. I switched RC to VC when submitting.
• Maybe give Traitor some sort of combined ability?

Looking this over, I think it's an either or for FN and Mason.

[Cook]

That being said, only two Masons dramatically decreases their power since the scum-team could also claim Masons, with the right information.

[Cook]

So Ascetic FN, 2 Macho Masons, Mafia Fruit Vendor Informed ("There are two Masons, and your Traitor is an Asceticizer"), Mafia Role Cop, Mafia Traitor Asceticizer Infomed ("There is a Doctor, and your scumteam is Fruit Vendor Informed, and Role Cop."), and 5 VT.

Asceticizer would still allow Mafia to factional kill a Traitor's target. I'm hesitant to allow it to block kills, as that seems a bit negative utility. Maybe Combined Asceticizer Roleblocker?

[Cook]

1

Mafia Informed Traitor Personal Rolestopper

("There is a Doctor and your scumteam is a Fruit Vendor Informed and Role Cop.")

1

Mafia Informed Fruit Vendor

("There are two Masons and your Traitor is a Personal Rolestopper")

1

Mafia Role Cop

2

Town Masons

1

Town Doctor

1

Town Friendly Neighbor

5

Vanilla Townies

As per Normal rules, the scumteam is informed of the presence of a Traitor but not their identity, and the Traitor is informed of the scumteam and identities. The Traitor is unable to be converted into a full Mafia member, and can be targeted by the nightkill.

[Cook]

Friendly Neighbor is now Even-Night.

All scum have multitasking.

Do I mention scum have multitasking by default?

[Cook]

^ in main thread

[Cook]

Alright. I think Even-Night is a decent gate for FN as it will require the FN survives two days to confirm itself.

[Cook]

What else do I need? (first time getting a setup reviewed)

[Cook]

Alright. I'll write those up.

I've also got some thinking to do of flavor. Considering flavoring the game around a meatspace game, where everyone's either gathering over Scumm (zoom knockoff), or they're at a physical table like pre-pandemic times, having fun. Flip flavor is as such too.

The table decides to eliminate

Cook.

He flips his card...

Cook was a

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

(role pm, with all of the sensitive bits censored)

[Cook]

Welcome! You are a

Vanilla Townie.

• Use your voice and your vote to help eliminate the scum.

You win upon all threats to the Town being eliminated.
The game thread is

here.

Welcome! You are a

Town Mason.

• Use your voice and your vote to help eliminate the scum.
• You are a Mason, and, as a result, know that XXXX is also a Mason, and they also know you are a Mason.
• You in addition have access to a Private Topic in which you may converse with other Masons at all times.

You win upon all threats to the Town being eliminated.
The game thread is

here.

Confirm by replying with your role and alignment. You may also post in your PT pre-game and I will count that as a confirmation.

Welcome! You are a

Town Doctor.

• Use your voice and your vote to help eliminate the scum.
• At night you may send me the name of a player you wish to protect.
• Your chosen target will be protected from one kill.

You win upon all threats to the Town being eliminated.
The game thread is

here.

Confirm by replying with your role and alignment.

Welcome! You are a

Town Even-Night Friendly Neighbor.

• Use your voice and your vote to help eliminate the scum.
• On even nights (Night 2, Night 4, Night 6, Night 8, etc.) you may send me the name of a player.
• Your chosen target will be notified you are aligned with the Town.

You win upon all threats to the Town being eliminated.
The game thread is

here.

Confirm by replying with your role and alignment.

Welcome! You are a

Mafia Informed Fruit Vendor.

• Use your social deception skills and your vote to further the Mafia's goals.
• Your Mafia partner is XXXX.
• At night you may send me the name of another player.
• Your chosen target will be notified they received a piece of fruit.
• You may, in addition to your other abilities, perform the Mafia's kill in conjunction with your other abilities.
• You in addition carry the burden of the following knowledge:

There are two Masons in this game. Your traitor is an Informed Personal Rolestopper.

You win once the Mafia reach an unopposable voting majority.
The game thread is

here.

The Mafia Private Topic is

here.

Confirm by replying with your role and alignment. You may also post in your PT pre-game and I will count that as a confirmation.

Welcome! You are a

Mafia Role Cop.

• Use your social deception skills and your vote to further the Mafia's goals.
• Your Mafia partner is XXXX.
• At night you may send me the name of another player.
• You will learn the role, but not the alignment, of your chosen target.
• You may, in addition to your other abilities, perform the Mafia's kill in conjunction with your other abilities.

You win once the Mafia reach an unopposable voting majority.
The game thread is

here.

The Mafia Private Topic is

here.

Confirm by replying with your role and alignment. You may also post in your PT pre-game and I will count that as a confirmation.

Welcome! You are a

Mafia Informed Traitor Rolestopper.

• Use your social deception skills and your vote to further the Mafia's goals.

As a Traitor, you will not be granted access to the Mafia Private Topic. The Mafia do not know who you are, but are aware you exist.

• Your Mafia partners are XXXX and XXXX.
• At night you may send me the name of another player.
• Any actions taken against your chosen target that are

not

factional will fail.

You win once the Mafia reach an unopposable voting majority.
If you are the last remaining Mafia member, you will surrender and the Mafia will lose.
The game thread is

here.

Confirm by replying with your role and alignment. You may also post in your PT pre-game and I will count that as a confirmation.

Feedback Messages

XXXX has revealed to you they are a member of the Town!

You have been given a piece of fruit.

Your target's role is Vanilla.

Your target's role is Mason.

Your target's role is Friendly Neighbor.

Your target's role is Fruit Vendor.

Your target's role is Role Cop.

Your target's role is Traitor Rolestopper.

Your action failed, you did not receive a result.

Information Dumped Into The Scum PT

XXXX - Mafia Rolecop
XXXX - Mafia Informed Fruit Vendor

There is a Traitor in this game.

As a reminder of Traitor mechanics, while you are uninformed of who the Traitor is, the Traitor is informed of who you are and is working towards your win condition. If you target the Traitor with your kill,

they will die.

There is no way to recruit the Traitor into your team.

If the Traitor is the last Mafia member standing, they will surrender and the game will end in a Town win.

As a member of your faction is Informed, would you like me to post their information into this thread?

While technically Fruit Vendor and Role Cop results are Dept. of Redundancy Dept., I'll leave the option open. Who knows what shenanigans may be gotten up to?

[Cook]

As a minor thing, there are a couple of sort of "flavorful" things in these role PMs that are fine, but I'd slightly advise against - e.g. the phrase "You in addition carry the burden of the following knowledge:". In a normal game I'd typically expect to see "You are informed of the following:" or the like. I only mention this because it's conceivable that some players might in some way reference unconventional phrasing which is something you'd want to avoid if you can.

This line should be removed from the traitor PM: "You may also post in your PT pre-game and I will count that as a confirmation"

This line: "If you target the Traitor with your kill, they will die." is something that you normally wouldn't be able to say at all, because mafia wouldn't know if the traitor is bulletproof. In this case I'd still get rid of it just because mafia might read into it that there's no protective role or something like that; players should generally know how traitor mechanics work, and if they're not sure they can ask. The reminder of traitor mechanics is fine (good, in fact), I'd just I guess rephrase it into something like "your factional kill works normally against the traitor - they cannot be recruited."

Mason PM should specifically mention that the other person is town, not just that they're a mason, since there's still a bit of a holdover from long ago when there was ambiguity between the terms "mason" and "neighbor".

Alright. I'll simplify the Informed message to "You are informed of the following:"

That was an accidental holdover in the Traitor PM.

Changing phrasing to

There is a Traitor in this game.

As a reminder of Traitor mechanics, while you are uninformed of who the Traitor is, the Traitor is informed of who you are and is working towards your win condition. Targeting the Traitor with a factional kill will work normally — there is no way to recruit the Traitor.

If the Traitor is the last Mafia member standing, they will surrender and the game will end in a Town win.

Rephrasing Mason PM to

Welcome! You are a

Town Mason.

• Use your voice and your vote to help eliminate the scum.
• You are a Mason along with XXXX. You both know you are members of the Town.
• You in addition have access to a Private Topic in which you may converse with other Masons at all times.

You win upon all threats to the Town being eliminated.
The game thread is

here

.

[Cook]

The Traitor PM is also lacking its Informed section.

Welcome! You are a

Mafia Informed Traitor Rolestopper.

• Use your social deception skills and your vote to further the Mafia's goals.
• Your Mafia partners are XXXX and XXXX.

As you are a Traitor, your partners know you exist, but not who you are. You will not be granted access to the Mafia Private Topic. The Mafia's kill will work on you normally — you cannot be recruited.

• At night you may send me the name of a player.
• Any actions taken against your chosen target that are

not

factional will fail.
• You are in addition informed of the following:

Your partners have the roles Role Cop and Informed Fruit Vendor. There is one Doctor in the game.

You win once the Mafia reach an unopposable voting majority.
If you are the last remaining Mafia member, you will surrender and the Mafia will lose.
The game thread is

here

.

Confirm by replying with your role and alignment.

[Cook]

XXXX has revealed to you they are a member of the Town!

When you actually run the game, changing the pronoun to be specific is a nice touch if you can manage it. MS games get a little more character than botbased games on other sites due to things like that.

The Personal modifier isn't in the Traitor's role PM. It should be in the mafia's role PM and the Traitor's role PM (omitting a modifier isn't a moderator lie for the mafia to learn, but we want to maximize scum power here).

I can't remember whether rolecops see modifiers or not. I think they don't? So that part wouldn't change.

I just keep messing up the role PMs. Should probably sit down and slap some sense into myself.

Welcome! You are a

Mafia Informed Traitor Personal Rolestopper.

• Use your social deception skills and your vote to further the Mafia's goals.
• Your Mafia partners are XXXX and XXXX.

As you are a Traitor, your partners know you exist, but not who you are. You will not be granted access to the Mafia Private Topic. The Mafia's kill will work on you normally — you cannot be recruited.

• At night you may send me the name of a player.
• Any actions taken against your chosen target that are not factional will fail.
• You are in addition informed of the following:
Your partners have the roles Role Cop and Informed Fruit Vendor. There is one Doctor in the game.

You win once the Mafia reach an unopposable voting majority.
If you are the last remaining Mafia member, you will surrender and the Mafia will lose.
The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role and alignment.

[Cook]

Flavor and rules next?

Any guidelines for those?

[Cook]

Draft One

Boring and Long Rules List

1. MafiaScum rules.
   Follow them. They take precedence over these.
   
2. Mod communication.
   Don’t quote it, especially private ones. That means role PMs.
   
3. Private communication.
   Only use the threads I provide. Don’t PM other players, use other PTs for talking about this game, or use any other medium to communicate about the game to other players. I’m fine if you mention the votecount.
   
4. Games.
   You’re playing this one. Play to win it.
   
5. Cryptography.
   I don’t like it. Don’t hash your posts or use a Caesarean cypher or anything like that.
   
6. Small text.
   Don’t use it. Anything smaller than the Small size will get bumped up in size, except for tags.
   
7. I don’t play dice.
   You shouldn’t, either, at least, provably. Provable RNG is prohibited.
   
8. My mod color is

   #0FBF15, bold.
   You may use colors similar to it, however, using the color itself isn’t neat.
   
9. My flavor color
   is
   #888888, italicized
   . This will denote information that is not necessary to read to play the game, but will improve your immersion should you read it.
   
10. After death
    you are permitted one contentless bah post. Posting content in a bah post, making multiple bah posts, or bahposting in PTs will get you warned and the bah censored.
    
11. Any questions?
    Ask.

Ballot Counting

1. VOTE: Cook
   or VOTE: Cook to cast. UNVOTE: or
   UNVOTE:
   without a name on the inside is fine, same with including the vote name. You may use nicknames or shortenings, so long as it’s clear who you’re referring to
   
2. If I think it counts, it counts.
   If I can’t tell who you’re referring to, it won’t.
   
3. Flips by simple majority.
   Once majority is reached, no new or changed votes will be permitted.
   
4. You may cast a vote for no-flip.

Deadlines and Timing

1. Days last
   seven
   days, nights last
   two
   , with the exception of the first day, which lasts
   10.
   
   
2. Once a hammer vote has been cast, we enter a phase of Twilight, in which you may continue posting until the flip happens.
   
3. Any posts made post-flip will be redacted.
   
4. Unusual to me, even if I am watching the thread when hammer occurs, it is guaranteed to last one hour.
   
   
5. Days will end faster if a hammer happens.
   
6. Nights will end faster if all night actors are finished and a majority of non-actors ask to nightskip.

Prods, Replacements, and Activity

1. Prods will be issued every 72 hours without game-advancing content. Even something as simple as “Cook is scum” or “Let’s vote Cook” counts as advancing content.
   
2. If you are prodded, you have 24 hours to respond or I will search for a replacement.
   
3. If you are prodded 3 times throughout the game, I’ll search for a replacement.
   
4. If you are on V/LA, instead, I will poke you every 72 hours. Two pokes is a prod.

The Setup

I can guarantee the following:

• This setup follows Normal guidelines for roles.
  
• There is only
  one scumteam.
  This scumteam is the
  Mafia.
  
  
• Any PT will have
  daytalk.
  
  
• Scum are
  multitasking.
  
  
• Flavor has no effect on the game.

[Cook]

Nights will end faster if all night actors are finished and a majority of non-actors ask to nightskip

Oh also this Not Ok.
Nightskips have to be voted for unanimously.
They can generate role information otherwise, from player who point out they missed the nightskip vote.

alright, updating it to read "Nights will end faster if all players vote to nightskip."

[Cook]

With that, are we through the process?

That was entertaining. I should design more setups.