Total Drama Island - Winner revealed

[Shanba]

Hi. Please excuse me if I fail to respond to any PMs you may have sent, my PM box may be full.

Yes, I have been a completely lazy arsehole. I'll empty some space now.

[Shanba]

I have posted twice in the smalltalk section!

[Shanba]

I've cleared some room.

Now my inbox is only 90% full!

[Shanba]

Katie jumps off the cliff.

[Shanba]

wooh three man headstart and pushing to next page to delay reading times.

Aren't I an arsehole?

[Shanba]

Katie moves the crate 1 meter.

[Shanba]

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[Shanba]

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[Shanba]

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[Shanba]

I've got a longer pause cause I'm trying to do about 5 things at once.

Heh. I have to go pretty soon anyway, I prob won't be here for the final part.

[Shanba]

Katie moves the crate 1 meter.

[Shanba]

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[Shanba]

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[Shanba]

39 by my count? Not certain.

[Shanba]

Nice. I don't see us losing this one now, heh.

[Shanba]

Katie moves the crate 1 meter.

[Shanba]

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[Shanba]

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[Shanba]

4 left, I think.

[Shanba]

Katie moves the crate 1 meter.

[Shanba]

guys, drench just triple posted. We have to take those ones off the total.

[Shanba]

Katie moves the crate 1 meter

[Shanba]

ok, well I have to go now. I'll wait for my first plank then leave.

[Shanba]

Katie attaches plank Q to the tub

[Shanba]

are edits allowed? Well, fuck it, I have to go. You work it out.

[Shanba]

Serves you right.

For, uh, being american.

(<3 european mod. For once I actually have a chance in time based challenges!)

[Shanba]

Hey, all you people on our tribe don't need to make excuses. You're all safe.

It's the other tribe who desperately need to be shouting excuses from the rooftops. Maybe someone will believe you

[Shanba]

Hey, all you people on our tribe don't need to make excuses. You're all safe.

It's the other tribe who desperately need to be shouting excuses from the rooftops. Maybe someone will believe you :P

... Do I like you?

I don't know. Do you?

You said you did after that masons game. :(

[Shanba]

Hey, all you people on our tribe don't need to make excuses. You're all safe.

It's the other tribe who desperately need to be shouting excuses from the rooftops. Maybe someone will believe you :P

... Do I like you?

I don't know. Do you?

You said you did after that masons game. :(

ok, I like you, but you shouldn't say mean things about my team...

Sorry myko!

Sorry guys! Let's all be friends, k?

[Shanba]

There's no way I'mma win this challenge.

But I'm not going out round 1, k.

[Shanba]

Hell, let's get two people here at least. Hi everybody!

[Shanba]

Hi thar.

[Shanba]

I do hope I'm not late.

[Shanba]

Hi there.

[Shanba]

So it's down to me and sens then? Katie & Sadie ftw!

[Shanba]

For the record, I'm totally throwing the ball this round.

WOOOH MINDGAYYMES

[Shanba]

animorpher versus me?

Hell, kscope, you got lucky with the drama in this one. Down to the final round? I like.

[Shanba]

Damn you animorpher. Damn you mightily. I was hoping for a clean sweep

Is pokerface even playing?

[Shanba]

because jathan is allied with Justin.

Duh.

[Shanba]

Kscope was hoping both tribes would go to council. He doesn't want to keep thnking up challenges. Challenges are hard.

[Shanba]

Don't you wish you hadn't shot your mouth off now?

[Shanba]

no, tbh. I don't find it weird at all.

[Shanba]

Obviously.

Except myko had alliances with the girls.

[Shanba]

Well, at the very least he was searching for alliances. Whether he found any is another question.

[Shanba]

Obviously.

Except myko had alliances with the girls.

I have talked to you, yes. you also told me to talk to drench. I did that too. I have also pm'ed with quite some of our tribe. Wanted to be more involved then previous time. Not that it makes any difference.

And I gamble that ani is not that far from the truth. You are in on all sides too. You like the game far too much to make it depend on how well the challenges go, or what Kscope thinks of. (I can throw dirt too!).

I fucking wish I had that much control. And no, it was not merely me and Drench you contacted, so don't lie.

[Shanba]

Cybele, you are all kinds of awesome.

[Shanba]

SADIE WAS HIDDEN ON D3.

NOT B3.

[Shanba]

Bye zaz!

Nice to see you couldn't even turn up to your own elimination.

[Shanba]

Why the hell do all you people dislike me so? What did I ever do to you?

[Shanba]

Why the hell do all you people dislike me so? What did I ever do to you?

you try to win, but there is nothing in the rules that says people should make it easy for you... And on this moment, you have shown that the zazie lynch was planned and easy. You are a bit confident, isn't it?

Planned and easy?

ZazieR has been hounding me from day fucking 1 for no seeming fucking reason, because he dislikes alliances or some bullshit was the excuse he gave me. I had 2,

2

allies, when he first attacked me. I made a few more after that, but I barely trust half of the people I was forced by him to talk to. You think I'm some sort of scheming mastermind, but you have no idea how far that is from the truth. I know I said that I got booted for scheming in that other game. Guess what. I learnt my lesson.

If he seemed to go easily, this time, it was sure as hell not a foregone conclusion. The only reason I stayed in and he stayed out is because one of my allies is fucking

magical

and caught him scheming against me

twice.

And all the while, myko, you were unable to deal with the elephant of the massive fucking alliance in your own backyard, rather than feeding zazier bullshit about me and farside.

[Shanba]

Uh, yeah. Sorry.

[Shanba]

sure, you learned your lesson. But if you could succeed as scheming mastermind, you would do it, and you would certainly try to manipulate here and there, just because you like it Smile

Actually, no, you clearly don't know me at all. Beats me what I'm doing playing mafia, huh.

What are you even trying to say? You're rooting against me because... you don't like me? Because you think I'm going to win? Well that's a shitty reason and ignores the fact that I am not a strong player at this game. I'm decent, because I'm honest, because people like me and that's about as far as it goes. Someone like Sensfan or Panzerjager is far more dangerous than me.

And I don't think it's news to anyone that zazier was telling people that me and farside were leading rival alliances. Nor is it unreasonable to assume that, when that was what you were telling other people on my tribe, people who I have since, you know, talked to

honestly

and shit.

[Shanba]

So shanba, when you could count that zazie must not have voted, you know exactly who voted for who, and you knew that you were not going to be out this round. That is good for you, but has little entertainment value.

!

Hahaha! That's where you got that idea from. No, I simply asked kscope on scumchat

[Shanba]

No, he only reveals info that is public, anyway, though in this case it was not obvious.

Look at the girls votes. There are two DNSes. The first is ShadowGirl, evidenced by the fact that she has a strike on page 1. The second? Player must be gone. Furthermore, since I didn't selfvote, as I can see my reason, the other 2 must have both selfvoted.

All that said, I did just ask kscope. He won't tell me who voted me, though .

(:P)

[Shanba]

ANYONE PICKING WITHOUT CONSULTING IS TCBAIT.

[Shanba]

Katie Claims Beth

Done.

[Shanba]

I hope Shanba goes.

<3

I don't think I even

talked

to you, this game. Yet you have it in for me too? :(

[Shanba]

As I say backstab early and you might as well pack your own bags.

Agreed. If you listen to Jd's account of why he lost, well, basically it boils down to the fact that he and Sens decided to stab each other at a really stupid time. That probably explains the bitterness, too. Though it could just be Jdodge's constitutional bitterness :P

[Shanba]

Nah, that's bullshit man. The last thing you want to do is garner a reputation of being untrustworthy, and lying and scheming early on is the best way to do that. Why do you think Zazier went so quickly? She schemed from day 1. She dug her own grave. It's really silly to stab, scheme or plot early, or hell, even late. Why break up an alliance until it's absolutely necessary?

[Shanba]

Doesn't work if you don't live in canada.

[Shanba]

well.

Zu faul, you know why I'm doing this. Say goodbye to your "credibility" with peg and co.


Session Start (ShanbaTat:mafiascumzufaul): Sat Jan 17 18:43:27 2009
[18:43] ShanbaTat:
[20:06] CryWolf20084: The only person I know i can rely on is Ani and prob Zu and Panzer
[18:43] mafiascumzufaul: heh
[18:44] mafiascumzufaul: I like crywolf
[18:44] mafiascumzufaul: I hate ani though
[18:44] ShanbaTat: hehe
[18:44] mafiascumzufaul: though this is completely personal
[18:44] mafiascumzufaul: xD
[18:44] ShanbaTat: heh
[18:44] ShanbaTat: are you aware of peg's alliance?
[18:44] mafiascumzufaul: no
[18:44] mafiascumzufaul: tell me
[18:45] ShanbaTat: well
[18:45] ShanbaTat: I don't know much
[18:45] ShanbaTat: lessee
[18:45] mafiascumzufaul: I am right back, jsut having dinner
[18:47] ShanbaTat: from a lonesome scumbag
[18:47] *** Auto-response from mafiascumzufaul: Ich bin Essen und gleich wieder da.
[18:47] ShanbaTat: uh
[18:47] ShanbaTat: I mean
[18:47] ShanbaTat: an undisclosed source
[18:47] ShanbaTat:
and yes PEG is in my team. KMD is scared of him . PEG is very busy getting allies together.
[18:47] ShanbaTat: PEG and BB are close already, and it scares me.
[19:07] mafiascumzufaul: back
[19:08] mafiascumzufaul: hm
[19:09] ShanbaTat: I assumed, btw, that that was why kmd was voted out
[19:09] mafiascumzufaul: is the last comment also from that source?
[19:09] ShanbaTat: yes
[19:09] mafiascumzufaul: that kmd was scared of peg?
[19:09] ShanbaTat: mhm
[19:09] mafiascumzufaul: hm
[19:15] ShanbaTat: see ya
[19:15] ShanbaTat: hold
[19:15] ShanbaTat: do you have any interesting info for me?
[19:15] ShanbaTat:
[19:15] mafiascumzufaul: hm
[19:15] mafiascumzufaul: none atm
[19:15] mafiascumzufaul: bye
[19:15] ShanbaTat: hehe
[19:16] ShanbaTat: and if you did, then what would be the point in sharing
[19:16] ShanbaTat: ;P
Session Close (mafiascumzufaul): Sat Jan 17 19:16:18 2009


Session Start (ShanbaTat:mafiascumzufaul): Tue Jan 20 19:20:25 2009
[19:20] mafiascumzufaul: I'd consider crywolf a pretty good ally at this point
[19:20] ShanbaTat: awesome
[19:20] ShanbaTat: who was she protecting ani from?
[19:21] ShanbaTat: you don't have to answer that if you don't want
[19:22] mafiascumzufaul: from me, I guess
[19:22] ShanbaTat: no
[19:22] ShanbaTat: that doesn't fit from the context
[19:22] mafiascumzufaul: I wanted ani out more than myko, but either was fine
[19:22] mafiascumzufaul: what is the context?
[19:22] ShanbaTat: uh
[19:23] ShanbaTat: I was referring to the convo we just had in aimchat
[19:23] ShanbaTat: eh
[19:23] ShanbaTat: I gotta go
[19:23] ShanbaTat: chat to you later
[19:24] mafiascumzufaul: yes, obv
[19:24] mafiascumzufaul: ttyl
[20:01] ShanbaTat: meh
[20:01] ShanbaTat: I'm back
[20:02] mafiascumzufaul: wb
[20:02] mafiascumzufaul: I couldn't totally follow you
[20:02] ShanbaTat: eh
[20:02] ShanbaTat: crywolf said
[20:03] ShanbaTat:
crywolf20084: Offical, i'm no longer going to defend him.
[20:03] mafiascumzufaul: ah
[20:03] ShanbaTat: and
[20:03] ShanbaTat: then
[20:04] ShanbaTat:
crywolf20084: they've been trying to rid of him since the 1st TC.
[20:04] mafiascumzufaul: well ,that would make perfect sense, no?
[20:04] mafiascumzufaul: oh
[20:04] mafiascumzufaul: "they"
[20:04] mafiascumzufaul: well, I did all the time...
Session Close (mafiascumzufaul): Tue Jan 20 22:13:06 2009


Session Start (ShanbaTat:mafiascumzufaul): Fri Jan 23 22:54:10 2009
[22:54] ShanbaTat: zu?
[23:45] *** "mafiascumzufaul" signed off at Fri Jan 23 23:45:52 2009.
Session Close (mafiascumzufaul): Sat Jan 24 01:28:38 2009


Session Start (ShanbaTat:mafiascumzufaul): Mon Jan 26 21:42:37 2009
[21:42] mafiascumzufaul: hey, wait I have soemthing interesting
[21:42] mafiascumzufaul: who is justin? cry?
[21:42] ShanbaTat: no
[21:42] ShanbaTat: justin is bb
[21:43] ShanbaTat: trent is cay
[21:43] mafiascumzufaul: heh
[21:43] mafiascumzufaul: I thought so
[21:43] mafiascumzufaul: Blackberry's List (i'm fairly confident SL from the other tribe choose the same thing... he attempted to get me to tell me what I choose if he told me what he choose and ironically he CLAIMED to have selected the EXACT opposite of everything I put (I never told him what I put, nor did I false claim anything) which made me think he actually put the same as I did):
[21:44] ShanbaTat: haha
[21:44] mafiascumzufaul: so what is going on there?
[21:44] ShanbaTat: which btw
[21:44] ShanbaTat: wasn't true - look at the lists
[21:44] mafiascumzufaul: bb's guess was wrong, and I changed a vote because of it :/
[21:44] ShanbaTat: :\
[21:44] mafiascumzufaul: yeah, I changed something which I was 100% sure of
[21:45] ShanbaTat: whereas our info was accurate yet we managed to fuck up anyway
[21:45] ShanbaTat:
[21:45] mafiascumzufaul: haha
[21:45] mafiascumzufaul: and I didn't have the total oopposite of cry
[21:45] ShanbaTat: no
[21:46] ShanbaTat: you didn't have the complete opposite of anyone
[21:46] mafiascumzufaul: yeah
[21:46] ShanbaTat: but we had your list
[21:46] mafiascumzufaul: well, everyone got my list after the challenge was up.. before thato nly cry had it
[21:46] ShanbaTat: there's a leak on your team
[21:46] ShanbaTat: it would do you well to plug it
[21:47] mafiascumzufaul: the point is, at this moment I could care less about the game; next week I'll have probably 9 internet access from friday to friday
[21:47] ShanbaTat: heh
[21:47] mafiascumzufaul: what jdodge said is also true. my position is quite weak. but otoh ani was my fiercest opponent
[21:47] ShanbaTat: yes
[21:48] ShanbaTat: who're your allies? Cay and that's it?
[21:48] ShanbaTat: is peg voting you out?
[21:49] ShanbaTat: I'm pretty certain that there's at least a zone/bb/peg allianc
[21:49] ShanbaTat: and it wouldn't surprise me to discover it contained panzer too
[21:49] mafiascumzufaul: add panzer to the latter
[21:49] ShanbaTat: yah
[21:50] mafiascumzufaul: also, they asked me to be in that alliance. I trust them not a bit. and cry isn't really an ally right now.
[21:50] ShanbaTat: hrm
[21:50] ShanbaTat: you realise
[21:50] ShanbaTat: they now have an absolute majority
[21:50] mafiascumzufaul: yes
[21:50] ShanbaTat: pretty much your only hope
[21:51] ShanbaTat: is to reach the merge without too many more tcs
[21:51] mafiascumzufaul: when will the merge take place?
[21:51] ShanbaTat: I don't know
[21:51] ShanbaTat: bleh
[21:51] ShanbaTat: I almost want to lose this tc
[21:52] mafiascumzufaul: why?
[21:52] ShanbaTat: my position in my tribe is pretty secure
[21:52] ShanbaTat: but I have enemies
[21:52] ShanbaTat: if they reach merge
[21:52] mafiascumzufaul: oh, isn't it frowned upon if players who got voted out go around and tell of their alliances?
[21:52] ShanbaTat: they could become dangerous
[22:07] ShanbaTat: cybele is good at this drama creation thing
[22:07] mafiascumzufaul: yes
[22:07] ShanbaTat: hey, where are you hiding, btw?
[22:07] ShanbaTat:
[22:08] mafiascumzufaul: M14
[22:08] mafiascumzufaul:
[22:08] ShanbaTat: thanks
[22:08] ShanbaTat:
[22:08] ShanbaTat:
[22:09] ShanbaTat: I could frame you now
[22:09] ShanbaTat: given yours is one of the lists we have
[22:09] ShanbaTat: but that would be silly
[22:09] mafiascumzufaul: blackmailing me?
[22:10] ShanbaTat: I'd much rather you stayed in
[22:10] mafiascumzufaul: also yozu couldn't
[22:10] mafiascumzufaul: you did not have my list
[22:10] ShanbaTat: hold on
[22:10] ShanbaTat: we have the typos and everything
[22:10] mafiascumzufaul: lol?
[22:10] ShanbaTat:
Love
Logic
Loyalty
Friendhsip [SIC]
Tyler
Allliance [SIC]
Winning hallenges [SIC]
Unpredictable
Canada
Experience

[22:11] ShanbaTat: of course
[22:11] ShanbaTat: the typos might have come from the leak
[22:12] mafiascumzufaul: intereesting
[22:12] ShanbaTat: hey
[22:12] ShanbaTat: could you, like, frame peg or something
[22:12] ShanbaTat: that would be neat
[22:12] mafiascumzufaul: how?
[22:12] ShanbaTat: eh
[22:12] ShanbaTat: I dunno
[22:13] mafiascumzufaul: heh if I knew
[22:13] mafiascumzufaul: I would
[22:13] ShanbaTat: heh
[22:13] ShanbaTat: I would point out
[22:13] ShanbaTat: that you're the only one apart from the leak who knows your pm was given to us
[22:13] ShanbaTat: I'd recommend keeping that quiet
[22:14] mafiascumzufaul: I will
[22:16] mafiascumzufaul: nrn
[22:16] mafiascumzufaul: brb
[22:16] ShanbaTat: hrm
[22:17] ShanbaTat: I wonder if I should say
[22:17] ShanbaTat: we had peg, zone, panzer and bb's lists
[22:17] ShanbaTat: I'm off
[22:17] ShanbaTat: ciao
Session Close (mafiascumzufaul): Mon Jan 26 22:17:52 2009


Session Start (ShanbaTat:mafiascumzufaul): Sat Feb 07 14:43:51 2009
[14:43] mafiascumzufaul: hey
[14:43] ShanbaTat: hi
[14:44] mafiascumzufaul: two things:
[14:45] mafiascumzufaul: a) wanna co-mod my mini? it is going to be complicated.
b) do you play in the scum mtg tourn eys?
[14:45] ShanbaTat: a) ok B) no
[14:45] mafiascumzufaul: great
[14:46] ShanbaTat: I must admit to a distinct lack of knowledge about mtg
[14:46] ShanbaTat:
[14:46] mafiascumzufaul: you'd need to double check the night actions + you would need to take over for two weeks in june and one week in august
[14:46] ShanbaTat: hrm
[14:46] ShanbaTat: well
[14:46] mafiascumzufaul: yeah, I did remember you talking about it in scumchat, but I didn't think you palyee
[14:46] mafiascumzufaul: *d
[14:46] ShanbaTat: I'm prob going to be away a lot this summer
[14:46] ShanbaTat: :S
[14:47] mafiascumzufaul: do you know already when?
[14:47] ShanbaTat: no
[14:47] mafiascumzufaul: hm
[14:52] ShanbaTat: afk
[17:51] *** "mafiascumzufaul" signed off at Sat Feb 07 17:51:21 2009.
[17:55] *** "mafiascumzufaul" signed on at Sat Feb 07 17:55:16 2009.
[18:02] *** "mafiascumzufaul" signed off at Sat Feb 07 18:02:55 2009.
[18:18] *** "mafiascumzufaul" signed on at Sat Feb 07 18:18:59 2009.
Session Close (mafiascumzufaul): Sat Feb 07 20:44:17 2009


Session Start (ShanbaTat:mafiascumzufaul): Tue Feb 10 18:35:41 2009
[18:35] mafiascumzufaul: hey
[18:35] ShanbaTat: hi
[18:36] mafiascumzufaul: do you have any wishes for the bonfire? what do the others say? I messaged zoneace and sens, but got no reply yet
[18:36] ShanbaTat: I haven't had any thought
[18:36] ShanbaTat: s
[18:36] ShanbaTat: what happened to your thing about evicting peg?
[18:36] mafiascumzufaul: panzer and blackberry already got voted out
[18:36] ShanbaTat: yeah
[18:36] ShanbaTat: ok
[18:37] ShanbaTat: fair enough
[18:37] ShanbaTat: tbh
[18:37] ShanbaTat: I kinda want to hit crazy
[18:37] mafiascumzufaul: so his allaince seems crippled
[18:37] mafiascumzufaul: crazy? why him?
[18:37] ShanbaTat: because if you look at who won last time
[18:37] ShanbaTat: it was the people no one could ever be bothered to vote off
[18:37] ShanbaTat: it seems to me
[18:37] ShanbaTat: that crazy will just slip under the radar from now on
[18:37] ShanbaTat: and he doesn't deserve to even make jury
[18:38] ShanbaTat: so now nothing's going on, I'd quite like to vote him out
[18:38] mafiascumzufaul: didn't he win a challenge for us?
[18:38] ShanbaTat: um
[18:38] ShanbaTat: did he?
[18:38] mafiascumzufaul: lemme check
[18:39] ShanbaTat: all he did so far
[18:39] ShanbaTat: is participate in that clusterfuck that lost the screaming boys challenges
[18:39] ShanbaTat: twice
[18:39] mafiascumzufaul: no; he even was one of the guys who fucked up the chaööenge where we were 4-1 in the lead back thgen
[18:40] ShanbaTat: yes
[18:40] mafiascumzufaul: yeah
[18:40] ShanbaTat: he also fucked up the questionnaire one
[18:40] mafiascumzufaul: true
[18:40] ShanbaTat: he was in the lead last challenge
[18:40] ShanbaTat: in our team
[18:40] ShanbaTat: I believe
[18:40] ShanbaTat: but he's basically done nothing significant
[18:40] mafiascumzufaul: he was the only one exveüt üeg who participated
[18:40] ShanbaTat: yeah
[18:40] ShanbaTat: um
[18:40] mafiascumzufaul: seems like a good vote
[18:40] ShanbaTat: is your keyboard fucked?
[18:41] mafiascumzufaul: no
[18:41] mafiascumzufaul: except peg
[18:41] mafiascumzufaul: dark in here
[18:41] ShanbaTat: oh
[18:41] ShanbaTat: yeah
[18:41] ShanbaTat: you have one of those ones with acccents on
[18:41] ShanbaTat: qwertz?
[18:41] ShanbaTat: or something
[18:41] ShanbaTat: ok, well I'm voting Crazy
[18:42] mafiascumzufaul: qwertz, yeah, usual German Keyboard
[18:42] mafiascumzufaul: ok
[21:21] ShanbaTat: hey
[21:21] ShanbaTat: you still there
[21:21] mafiascumzufaul: yes
[21:21] ShanbaTat: k
[21:22] mafiascumzufaul: y?
[21:22] ShanbaTat: have you voted yet?
[21:23] mafiascumzufaul: no
[21:23] mafiascumzufaul: not send it in
[21:23] ShanbaTat: I'm suffering from an acute burst of paranoia
[21:24] mafiascumzufaul: I thought I had to fear being voted out
[21:24] mafiascumzufaul: where does this feeling come from?
[21:24] ShanbaTat: well
[21:25] ShanbaTat:
Jdodge: panzer my current favorite to win is still shanba
Jdodge: but things have gone all loopy
[21:25] ShanbaTat: :p
[21:25] ShanbaTat: can you say now that you're not planning to vote me out
[21:25] ShanbaTat: so that if I do go
[21:25] ShanbaTat: I can create proper drama?
[21:26] mafiascumzufaul: hell, why should I vote you out? you are about the most trustworthy person in this game to me
[21:26] ShanbaTat: alright
[21:26] ShanbaTat: awesome
[21:26] ShanbaTat: thanks
[21:26] mafiascumzufaul: I'd be happy to see sens go
[21:26] mafiascumzufaul: actually
[21:26] mafiascumzufaul: but that is another matter
[21:26] ShanbaTat: well
[21:26] ShanbaTat: I'm still fairly certain he voted for me.
[21:27] ShanbaTat: him or kloud
[21:27] ShanbaTat: and I trust kloud more
[21:27] mafiascumzufaul: I am still trying to figure out a way to stir up drama with the reason for my vote. it is quite easy to encode player names in there, but I don't know what to do with it
[21:27] ShanbaTat: hrm.
[21:27] mafiascumzufaul: sens told me he voted crazy
[21:27] ShanbaTat: call someone a traitor
[21:27] mafiascumzufaul: this round
[21:27] ShanbaTat: that ought to do it
[21:27] mafiascumzufaul: he'll vote
[21:27] ShanbaTat: he told me that too
[21:27] mafiascumzufaul: true
[21:27] ShanbaTat: anyway
[21:27] ShanbaTat: afk
[21:28] mafiascumzufaul: I'm checking with crazy and kloud who they'll vote
[21:30] ShanbaTat: back
[21:30] mafiascumzufaul: I'm making something up for kloud
[21:51] mafiascumzufaul: interesting
[21:51] ShanbaTat: [21:48] kloud1516: I got your message
[21:48] ShanbaTat: yeah
[21:48] ShanbaTat: thoughts?
[21:48] kloud1516: Have you talked to zu and/or SG?
[21:48] ShanbaTat: yes
[21:48] ShanbaTat: I've talked to zu
[21:49] kloud1516: kk
[21:50] kloud1516: I am good with Crazy
[21:51] kloud1516: If you both feel that is the best choice
[21:51] mafiascumzufaul: [21:50] MafiascumZuFaul: what did he [Sens] tell you? that he'd vote crazy
[21:50] kloud1516: Yeah
[21:50] kloud1516: This was last night before the challenge started
[21:52] ShanbaTat: sens told me that you were also voing crazy
[21:52] mafiascumzufaul: yeah
[21:52] mafiascumzufaul: didn't I tell you as well?
[21:52] ShanbaTat: yeah
[21:52] mafiascumzufaul: dang it, we could have voted sens off...
[21:52] ShanbaTat: just now in this chat
[21:52] ShanbaTat:
[21:52] mafiascumzufaul: didn't i tell you this afternoon already?
[21:52] ShanbaTat: yeah
[21:53] ShanbaTat: but that's still one chat window for me
[21:53] mafiascumzufaul: heh
[21:53] ShanbaTat: <.<
+edit+
[22:04] mafiascumzufaul: [22:02] MafiascumZuFaul: but this is the first time I hear about shanba jath drench
[22:03] senspizzaline: I was supposed to go final 4 with them.
[22:04] ShanbaTat: he's lying.
[22:04] ShanbaTat: final 4 with sens?
[22:04] ShanbaTat: I admit
[22:04] ShanbaTat: I used him a lot
[22:05] mafiascumzufaul: well, I was in with peg, zoneace, panzer and bb, but I was always weakest link. I don't want to play into zoneace's hands really
[22:06] ShanbaTat: hrm
[22:06] ShanbaTat: I was under the impression that you were never really a member of that alliance.
[22:07] mafiascumzufaul: yeah, that is the great part, I was never perceived to be
[22:07] mafiascumzufaul: and I wasn't really.
[22:07] mafiascumzufaul: this is why I got last place in the thread-vote
[22:08] ShanbaTat: huh
[22:08] ShanbaTat: that's really odd
[22:08] ShanbaTat: hold on
[22:08] ShanbaTat: has kloud contacted you?
[22:08] mafiascumzufaul: just now
[22:08] ShanbaTat: yeah
[22:09] ShanbaTat: what's up, do you think?
[22:09] mafiascumzufaul: [22:06] senspizzaline: Are you game, if we have numbers?
[22:07] MafiascumZuFaul: I am not too keen on backstabbing shanba at this point in time
[22:07] MafiascumZuFaul: lemme think
[22:07] senspizzaline: Wait.
[22:07] senspizzaline: BACKSTABBING?
[22:08] MafiascumZuFaul: yes
[22:08] MafiascumZuFaul: Zoneaceshanba/you/me?
[22:09] ShanbaTat: sens is far too good a player to be scheming for the sake of scheming
[22:10] ShanbaTat: looks like sens is trying to stab
[22:10] ShanbaTat: but I don't know why.
[22:10] ShanbaTat:
[22:06] kloud1516: Sens: Let's put it this way, to avoid saying too much. Out of the following, who would you be willing to vote out: Shanba, Zone, Peg, Zu?
[22:10] mafiascumzufaul: wow
[22:11] mafiascumzufaul: is SH online?
[22:11] mafiascumzufaul: *SG?
[22:11] mafiascumzufaul: has she already voted?
[22:11] ShanbaTat: SG hasn't replied to my PM asking her to vote crazy yet.
[22:12] ShanbaTat: what do you want ,e to do?
[22:13] mafiascumzufaul: crazy is not online
[22:13] mafiascumzufaul: I hope he didn't just vote semi randomly
[22:14] mafiascumzufaul: we can get sens off I think
[22:14] ShanbaTat: well
[22:14] ShanbaTat: you know I can't vote for him
[22:14] ShanbaTat: I've already cast my vote
[22:14] ShanbaTat: if you think you can get him, you'll have to muster the votes yourself.
[22:15] mafiascumzufaul: me, kloud, crazy, sg are enough...
[22:15] ShanbaTat: yeah
[22:15] ShanbaTat: if I'm voting for crazy
[22:21] mafiascumzufaul: zone is lying to me
[22:22] ShanbaTat: zone is online?
[22:22] mafiascumzufaul: ye
[22:22] mafiascumzufaul: s
[22:22] mafiascumzufaul: [22:20] MafiascumZuFaul: may I ask why you didn't reply to my pm? asking about why no alliance with peg anymore?
[22:20] ZONEACE: I didn't?
[22:21] ZONEACE: i thought i sent a reply to bring him in?
[22:21] MafiascumZuFaul: no
[22:21] MafiascumZuFaul: you didn't
[22:21] ZONEACE: fuck. i meant to.
[22:21] ZONEACE: the problem was i wasn't sure if sens and shanba would go for it so i didn't want to tell them.

looks a) weak. and b) is a lie, because of what you told me earlier
[22:28] mafiascumzufaul: do you know of any alliances sens is in? other than ours?
[22:28] * ShanbaTat sighs
[22:28] mafiascumzufaul: ?
[22:28] ShanbaTat: panzer told me that he was with zazier/skitz pre merge
[22:29] mafiascumzufaul: that's not enough to make zoneace worried
[22:30] ShanbaTat: it doesn't worry me, either.
[22:31] mafiascumzufaul: sens and zone play their act about peg not being in our alliance well
[22:31] ShanbaTat: :\
[22:33] mafiascumzufaul: do you think sg would vote sens?
[22:33] ShanbaTat: tbh
[22:33] ShanbaTat: probably
[22:33] ShanbaTat: though it might be a close run thing
[22:33] mafiascumzufaul: why shouldn't she?
[22:33] mafiascumzufaul: crazy is the only one of who I have no clue
[22:34] mafiascumzufaul: hm
[22:35] mafiascumzufaul: if only I knew where his vote lies.
[22:35] ShanbaTat: fair enough.
[22:36] mafiascumzufaul: so
[22:36] mafiascumzufaul: let us say sens gets voted off. what then?
[22:37] ShanbaTat: ideally
[22:37] ShanbaTat: I don't want to go to TC again
[22:37] mafiascumzufaul: explain
[22:38] ShanbaTat: I don't want kloud gone
[22:38] ShanbaTat: I don't want you gone
[22:38] ShanbaTat: I definitely don't want SG gone
[22:38] ShanbaTat: zone and peg are expendable
[22:38] ShanbaTat: but getting rid of them will mean expending political capital
[22:38] ShanbaTat: crazy is expendable
[22:39] mafiascumzufaul: that is not what I mean
[22:39] mafiascumzufaul: what if we make it to the merge
[22:39] ShanbaTat: I'll be reunited with jath and drench
[22:39] ShanbaTat:
[22:39] ShanbaTat: I assume you have plans post merge too
[22:39] mafiascumzufaul: this is possible
[22:40] ShanbaTat: or I'd ask you to come join.
[22:40] mafiascumzufaul: 5 player allaince? no way.
[22:40] mafiascumzufaul: I'd be weakest link immediately
[22:40] ShanbaTat: yeah
[22:40] ShanbaTat: see
[22:40] ShanbaTat: plus
[22:40] ShanbaTat: I'm much more confident in jath and Drench surviving
[22:40] ShanbaTat: than I am about myself
[22:40] mafiascumzufaul: even if you survive tonight?
[22:41] ShanbaTat: well, yeah
[22:41] ShanbaTat: tonight is getting super messy
[22:42] mafiascumzufaul: the thing is, I have not much of an interest helping zone, peg and sens.
[22:42] mafiascumzufaul: but I'd also be giving up something to save you
[22:42] ShanbaTat: which would be?
[22:42] mafiascumzufaul: the illusion that they can lead me around
[22:42] ShanbaTat: :S
[22:42] mafiascumzufaul: which is quite helpful. especially if I can still stem the majority with sg, crazy and kloud
[22:43] mafiascumzufaul: so
[22:44] mafiascumzufaul: that would cost you
[22:45] ShanbaTat: in what way?
[22:45] mafiascumzufaul: how many ways can you think of?
[22:45] ShanbaTat: there's not a whole lot I can think of
[22:45] ShanbaTat: I can offer to keep you around for as long as possible
[22:45] ShanbaTat: but talk is cheap
[22:46] ShanbaTat: I can offer to throw challenges for you
[22:46] ShanbaTat: but I don't see how you'd be helped by that
[22:46] mafiascumzufaul: neither do i
[22:47] ShanbaTat: you know where I'm voting
[22:47] ShanbaTat: if you're choosing to stab me
[22:47] ShanbaTat: that's your decision
[22:47] ShanbaTat: I don't think it would be wise
[22:47] ShanbaTat: for one thing, it would mark you down as an enemy to my allies
[22:47] ShanbaTat: but hey
[22:47] ShanbaTat: whatevs
[22:47] ShanbaTat: I can't force you to do anything
[22:47] ShanbaTat: besides
[22:47] mafiascumzufaul: LOL
[22:47] mafiascumzufaul: I guess
[22:47] ShanbaTat: it's not like I'm weak
[22:47] mafiascumzufaul: kloudm ay go
[22:47] ShanbaTat: kloud!?!
[22:47] ShanbaTat: wtf is going on
[22:48] ShanbaTat: crazy->sens/Shanba->kloud?
[22:48] mafiascumzufaul: [22:43] kloud1516: Any news?
[22:43] MafiascumZuFaul: well
[22:43] kloud1516: Other than it is now me
[22:43] MafiascumZuFaul: nono
[22:43] MafiascumZuFaul: you are probably the person most save
[22:43] kloud1516: No
[22:44] kloud1516: I know what is going on
[22:44] MafiascumZuFaul: what?
[22:44] MafiascumZuFaul: what the hell
[22:44] kloud1516: At least tell me if I am gone
[22:44] kloud1516: I am still with you though
[22:44] kloud1516: Just know that
[22:44] MafiascumZuFaul: no really
[22:44] MafiascumZuFaul: you are save
[22:44] kloud1516: I'm really not
[22:48] mafiascumzufaul: wait, it gets better
[22:48] ShanbaTat: :S
[22:49] ShanbaTat: oh I know
[22:49] ShanbaTat: it's because I sent that quote from kloud to you and zu
[22:50] ShanbaTat: and somehow it got back round to sens again
[22:51] mafiascumzufaul: may I ask why you told sens that kloud told you that sens asked him about /shanba/zu/peg/zone
[22:51] mafiascumzufaul: me and zu?
[22:51] ShanbaTat: you and zone
[22:51] ShanbaTat: I didn't tell sens
[22:51] mafiascumzufaul: ah
[22:51] mafiascumzufaul: ok
[22:51] mafiascumzufaul: then zone is the leak
[22:51] mafiascumzufaul: as was obvious
[22:52] ShanbaTat: huh
[22:52] ShanbaTat: well
[22:52] ShanbaTat: I told him because I wanted to see how deep the idea to vote me out went
[22:52] ShanbaTat: that little drama
[22:52] ShanbaTat: tells me it was probably sens alone
[22:53] mafiascumzufaul: zone seems very sure he wants to vote you
[22:53] mafiascumzufaul: and eitherr you or sens is lying to me now
[22:54] ShanbaTat: ?
[22:54] ShanbaTat: sens said I told him?
[22:54] ShanbaTat: if he did he's lying
[22:54] ShanbaTat: zu
[22:54] ShanbaTat: speak to me
[22:55] mafiascumzufaul: wait
[22:55] ShanbaTat: this is our convo from out of the blue:
[22:55] ShanbaTat:
[22:28] senspizzaline: Any reason why you didn't just bring that quote back to me?
[22:28] ShanbaTat: because I don't trust you after you said it?
[22:28] ShanbaTat: that would, you know, be the sensible thought, sens.
[22:28] senspizzaline: Really?
[22:29] ShanbaTat: well hell
[22:29] ShanbaTat: if you're going arond asking randomers which of your alliance members they'd be willing to vote
[22:29] senspizzaline: Wait...what?
[22:29] ShanbaTat: I'm going to be taking that quote to other people in the alliance
[22:29] ShanbaTat: and not you
[22:29] senspizzaline: Fine.
[22:55] mafiascumzufaul: [22:51] senspizzaline: Shanba told me kloud sent him the quote from me. kloud said he sent it to you, not Shanba. I got them in a chatroom, the 3 of us. Shanba-"kloud sent it to me. Sorry, kloud." kloud-"Oh, whoops. Guess I made a mistake in who I sent it to?"
[22:55] ShanbaTat: yeah
[22:55] ShanbaTat: that happened.
[22:56] ShanbaTat: kloud told me he only sent it to me by mistake
[22:56] ShanbaTat: hah
[22:56] mafiascumzufaul: [22:55] senspizzaline: A minute ago, kloud admitted to telling shanba, not you
[22:55] senspizzaline: Did Shanba tell you at all (even if it was after kloud)?
[23:02] mafiascumzufaul: point it out, that sens was lying to me
[23:03] ShanbaTat: uh
[23:03] ShanbaTat: I don't get it
[23:03] ShanbaTat: where's the lie/
[23:03] mafiascumzufaul: [23:01] MafiascumZuFaul: you did get the information it got leaked form shanba, right?

he claims that. didn't you say he did not get it from you?
[23:04] ShanbaTat: well technically
[23:04] ShanbaTat: it did get leaked trhough me
[23:04] ShanbaTat: since I told zone
[23:05] ShanbaTat: if there's anything else
[23:05] ShanbaTat: PM me
[23:05] ShanbaTat: I'm going to bed
Session Close (mafiascumzufaul): Tue Feb 10 23:06:21 2009


Session Start (ShanbaTat:mafiascumzufaul): Wed Feb 11 17:45:11 2009
[17:45] mafiascumzufaul: hey
[17:45] mafiascumzufaul: wtf?
[17:45] ShanbaTat: with the votes, you mean?
[17:45] mafiascumzufaul: yeah
[17:45] ShanbaTat: 'tis strange
[17:45] ShanbaTat: I know one of the crazy votes is me
[17:45] ShanbaTat: presumably
[17:45] ShanbaTat: sens and co voted for kloud?
[17:45] ShanbaTat: who voted for peg?
[17:45] mafiascumzufaul: I dunno
[17:46] mafiascumzufaul: there should have been at least 5 on kloud
[17:46] ShanbaTat: also I've had confirmation from my allies that you were telling me the truth about sens wanting to stab me
[17:46] mafiascumzufaul: peg has a strike now, so he probalbywas the selfvote
[17:46] mafiascumzufaul: lol
[17:46] mafiascumzufaul: it is in a post in Mishmash
[17:47] ShanbaTat: and also confirmation that the suggestion that you had allied with SG, crazy and kloud was nothing more than a lie
[17:47] mafiascumzufaul: (Link: http://67.222.17.61/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10542)http://67.222.17.61/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10542
[17:47] mafiascumzufaul: LOL who suggested that?
[17:47] ShanbaTat: I'm not sure
[17:47] ShanbaTat: I heard it from JD
[17:47] ShanbaTat: but I think he heard it from Panzer
[17:48] ShanbaTat: but I also recived an AIM convo
[17:48] ShanbaTat: where Panzer told JD it was not true, last night.
[17:48] ShanbaTat: so
[17:48] ShanbaTat: I know it's not true
[17:48] ShanbaTat:
[17:48] mafiascumzufaul: huh, how should panzer know one way or the other?
[17:48] ShanbaTat: I think panzer is trying to broker influence/info for one of the players remaining
[17:49] mafiascumzufaul: possible
[17:49] ShanbaTat: he told jdodge it was cay, but that's pretty clearly a lie, or at least very unlikely
[17:49] mafiascumzufaul: hm
[17:49] ShanbaTat: do you know if we have to revote for one of kloud/crazy or if we can move on to a different target?
[17:49] ShanbaTat: you vote kloud, correct?
[17:50] mafiascumzufaul: yeah
[17:50] mafiascumzufaul: I was the one pushing for him afterall
[17:50] mafiascumzufaul: one of the two
[17:50] ShanbaTat: so
[17:50] ShanbaTat: that makes 1 for kloud, 1 for crazy, one for peg (himself)
[17:50] mafiascumzufaul: any idea who sg voted?
[17:51] mafiascumzufaul: I think kloud voted crazy, quite sure.
[17:51] ShanbaTat: I'd imagine that she voted crazy
[17:51] ShanbaTat: crazy maybe voted peg?
[17:51] ShanbaTat: then zone voted kloud?
[17:51] ShanbaTat: and sens voted kloud?
[17:51] mafiascumzufaul: and sens voted kloud. possible.
[17:52] ShanbaTat: because otherwise we have to have one of them voting peg, and that seems unlikely
[17:52] mafiascumzufaul: but why should craazy vote peg?
[17:52] ShanbaTat: eh
[17:52] ShanbaTat: well
[17:52] mafiascumzufaul: true
[17:52] ShanbaTat: we don't know what he was thinking
[17:52] ShanbaTat: he might still have thought
[17:52] ShanbaTat: that the oust peg plan was still on
[17:52] ShanbaTat: you never told him otherwise, did you?
[17:53] mafiascumzufaul: what plan?
[17:53] mafiascumzufaul: I don't think I ver told him about that.
[17:53] mafiascumzufaul: lemme check
[17:53] ShanbaTat: didn't you?
[17:53] ShanbaTat: I thought you said you were going to
[17:54] mafiascumzufaul: I didn't
[17:54] mafiascumzufaul: good thing
[17:55] ShanbaTat: hrm
[17:55] ShanbaTat: so...
[17:57] ShanbaTat: who are you voting this time arounf?
[17:58] mafiascumzufaul: kloud again. I see no reason not to
[17:58] ShanbaTat: ok
[17:58] ShanbaTat: I'll prob vote crazy again
[17:58] mafiascumzufaul: 3-3 tie ftw
[17:58] ShanbaTat:
[17:58] ShanbaTat: except this time, presumably, it will be 4-4
[17:59] mafiascumzufaul: it won't
[17:59] mafiascumzufaul: crazy and kloud may not vote
[17:59] mafiascumzufaul: rtft
[17:59] ShanbaTat: aha
[17:59] ShanbaTat:
Session Close (mafiascumzufaul): Wed Feb 11 20:32:58 2009


Session Start (ShanbaTat:mafiascumzufaul): Thu Feb 12 18:00:41 2009
[18:00] ShanbaTat: are you still planning to vote kloud?
[18:01] mafiascumzufaul: I have already send in my vote
[18:01] ShanbaTat: I see
[18:01] mafiascumzufaul: and had a good discussion with kloud yesterday
[18:01] ShanbaTat: oh yeah?
[18:01] mafiascumzufaul: yeah
[19:18] *** You have been disconnected. Thu Feb 12 19:18:37 2009.
[19:19] *** "mafiascumzufaul" signed on at Thu Feb 12 19:19:06 2009.
Session Close (mafiascumzufaul): Thu Feb 12 19:42:19 2009


Session Start (ShanbaTat:mafiascumzufaul): Sat Feb 14 17:46:26 2009
[17:46] ShanbaTat: I'm willing to try and oust sens
[17:46] ShanbaTat: if you're game
[17:46] mafiascumzufaul: hey
[17:46] ShanbaTat: hi
[17:46] mafiascumzufaul: eyplain first
[17:47] ShanbaTat: what is there to explain?
[17:47] mafiascumzufaul: we haven't lost yet, have we?
[17:47] ShanbaTat: it's been made incredibly clear to me through various sources that sens is a scheming scumbag
[17:47] ShanbaTat: oh
[17:47] ShanbaTat: yes, we did
[17:47] mafiascumzufaul: what?
[17:47] ShanbaTat: zone played the challenge alone
[17:47] ShanbaTat: against jath and drench
[17:51] ShanbaTat: so are you in?
[17:51] mafiascumzufaul: lemme read the thread
[17:51] mafiascumzufaul: one sec
[17:51] ShanbaTat: ok
[17:51] mafiascumzufaul: have you asked anyone else?
[17:51] ShanbaTat: yes
[17:51] ShanbaTat: I've sent Crazy a PM
[17:51] ShanbaTat: I've been advised to speak to jath
[17:51] ShanbaTat: uh
[17:51] ShanbaTat: peg
[17:52] ShanbaTat: but I want to get him on AIM chat
[17:52] ShanbaTat: I'm also not entirely comfortable with alerting him
[17:52] ShanbaTat: but sens must know I was going to go after him this round
[17:53] ShanbaTat: I'll have to ask him who he's voting
[17:53] ShanbaTat: that should open comms
[17:53] ShanbaTat: and give me an idea of how much he knows
[17:53] ShanbaTat: but again, I need him on AIM
[17:54] mafiascumzufaul: what about SG?
[17:54] ShanbaTat: oh well
[17:54] ShanbaTat: I knida view SG as a given
[17:54] ShanbaTat:
[17:54] mafiascumzufaul: ok
[17:54] ShanbaTat: I know she knows that she's dependent on me surviving, at least, as long as we're still in one tribe
[17:55] ShanbaTat: she's too closely linked to back off now even if she wanted to
[18:03] ShanbaTat: anyway
[18:03] ShanbaTat: let me know
[18:03] ShanbaTat: ciao
Session Close (mafiascumzufaul): Sat Feb 14 18:03:25 2009


Session Start (ShanbaTat:mafiascumzufaul): Sat Feb 14 23:58:09 2009
[23:58] ShanbaTat: are you with me?
[23:58] ShanbaTat: You never gave me an answer last time
[23:58] mafiascumzufaul: oh
[23:58] mafiascumzufaul: right
[23:58] mafiascumzufaul: haven' talked to anyone
[23:58] mafiascumzufaul: which is weird
[23:58] ShanbaTat: :S
[23:59] ShanbaTat: I'm not going to lie
[23:59] ShanbaTat: I need your vote
[23:59] ShanbaTat: though
[23:59] ShanbaTat: that much should be obvious.
[23:59] ShanbaTat: I don't think you'll get another chance at sens until well past merge
[00:01] mafiascumzufaul: wellwell
[00:03] ShanbaTat: well?
[00:03] ShanbaTat: answer me
[00:03] ShanbaTat: if your answer is no
[00:03] ShanbaTat: at least I know where I'm starting from
[00:03] ShanbaTat: but give me an answer
[00:03] ShanbaTat: I hope I deserve that much respect, at least.
[00:03] mafiascumzufaul: sure
[00:03] mafiascumzufaul: but I haven't got the answer yet. wait a sec
[00:03] ShanbaTat: ok
[00:04] mafiascumzufaul: I won't vote sens this time.
[00:04] ShanbaTat: why?
[00:04] ShanbaTat: ok, fine, if you wont answer that
[00:04] ShanbaTat: who are you voting?
[00:05] mafiascumzufaul: because of your strong connections
[00:05] ShanbaTat: so you're voting me
[00:06] mafiascumzufaul: probably
[00:06] ShanbaTat: and presumably, that's why you voted kloud rather than crazy last round
[00:06] ShanbaTat: arsehole
[00:06] ShanbaTat: gah
[00:06] mafiascumzufaul: well
[00:06] mafiascumzufaul: I could explain it
[00:06] mafiascumzufaul: but I can't be sure that you don't go around and tell everyone
[00:06] ShanbaTat: zu.
[00:06] ShanbaTat: if you're voting for me
[00:07] ShanbaTat: there's nothing more I can do than condemn you as my enemy
[00:07] ShanbaTat: bleh
[00:07] ShanbaTat: you're fucked anyway.
[00:07] mafiascumzufaul: wouldn't the smart move be then not to tell you anything?
[00:07] ShanbaTat: yes
[00:07] ShanbaTat: you know
[00:07] ShanbaTat: I do have a weakness.
[00:08] ShanbaTat: I'd guess pretty soon after the merge things will start getting messy
[00:08] ShanbaTat: but only if both me and farside are still around.
[00:08] ShanbaTat: otherwise it will be a straight up war between my allies and the remnants of the other alliances.
[00:09] ShanbaTat: only me and SG are in easy reach of your people.
[00:10] ShanbaTat: you could probably pull through
[00:10] ShanbaTat: but it would get messy.
[00:10] ShanbaTat: blah
[00:10] ShanbaTat: I hate that this is ending like this
[00:10] ShanbaTat: Every single fucking round
[00:10] mafiascumzufaul: me too
[00:10] ShanbaTat: there has been an attempt against
[00:11] ShanbaTat: me
[00:11] ShanbaTat: I'm serious.
[00:11] ShanbaTat: do you know why I built a network of allies?
[00:11] ShanbaTat: because zazier was trying to vote me out.
[00:11] ShanbaTat: so I protected myself.
[00:11] ShanbaTat: and of course, that made me high profile
[00:11] ShanbaTat: joy.
[00:11] mafiascumzufaul: there are other things I dislike about voting you out
[00:12] ShanbaTat: like?
[00:12] mafiascumzufaul: sens thinking you knew nothing, and being happy about himself, while he already was wrong last round
[00:12] ShanbaTat: :\
[00:12] ShanbaTat: hrm
[00:13] ShanbaTat: are you trying to build an alliance, zu?
[00:13] ShanbaTat: since I know you're not close to sens/peg/zone
[00:13] ShanbaTat: voting me out gives them control.
[00:13] ShanbaTat: and while I would imagine you are safe
[00:13] ShanbaTat: if you're looking for alliance fodder
[00:13] ShanbaTat: it's better for you if neither group has control atm
[00:13] mafiascumzufaul: what are you suggesting?
[00:13] ShanbaTat: so that we're still going after each other
[00:14] ShanbaTat: rather than voting out people like crazy, who might eventually be useful to you
[00:14] mafiascumzufaul: you are jsut like jdodge now.
[00:14] ShanbaTat: explain?
[00:14] mafiascumzufaul: suggesting I was playing both alliances
[00:14] ShanbaTat: no
[00:14] ShanbaTat: I'm suggesting you should.
[00:15] mafiascumzufaul: it is a stupid idea if you know about this
[00:15] ShanbaTat: zu, listen to me.
[00:15] ShanbaTat: if you're looking at the longterm
[00:15] ShanbaTat: you need allies
[00:15] ShanbaTat: I don't kow your current situation
[00:15] ShanbaTat: but you're not close to me or my allies
[00:15] ShanbaTat: and you're not close to sens and his allies
[00:16] ShanbaTat: so the only people left are third parties
[00:16] ShanbaTat: if someone takes control
[00:16] ShanbaTat: like they did in the other tribe
[00:16] ShanbaTat: then the third parties are in danger.
[00:16] ShanbaTat: as long as neither alliance has an absolute majority in either tribe
[00:16] ShanbaTat: they will attack each other
[00:16] ShanbaTat: what I'm suggesting is
[00:16] ShanbaTat: you vote with me this round.
[00:17] ShanbaTat: (presumably vote against me next round.)
[00:17] ShanbaTat: my goal then would be to win challenges
[00:17] ShanbaTat: until merge
[00:17] ShanbaTat: I guess.
[00:17] ShanbaTat: it's not a nice chance, but it's better than nothing
[00:18] mafiascumzufaul: the thing is, that I lose ALL credibility with peg and zoneace that way
[00:18] ShanbaTat: meh
[00:18] ShanbaTat: I have enough to make you lose credibility anyway.
[00:19] mafiascumzufaul: so? I don't care whether you post fakes this round or next
[00:19] ShanbaTat: I don't neeed to post fakes, zu
[00:19] ShanbaTat: you've been feeding me info for long enough
[00:19] ShanbaTat: you plotted against peg
[00:20] ShanbaTat: I have trillian
[00:20] ShanbaTat: it stores all my chat logs
[00:20] ShanbaTat: and I haven't deleted any PMs
[00:20] mafiascumzufaul: huh
[00:20] mafiascumzufaul: fancy that
[00:22] ShanbaTat: soo...
[00:23] mafiascumzufaul: so you're trying to blackmail me
[00:23] ShanbaTat: uh
[00:23] ShanbaTat: you could call it that.
[00:23] ShanbaTat: though blackmail was not my original intention
[00:23] ShanbaTat: it was only because you're so obsessed with keeping credibility
[00:24] ShanbaTat: but whatever happens
[00:24] ShanbaTat: you're going to lose it.
[00:28] mafiascumzufaul: we'll see
[00:28] ShanbaTat: so
[00:28] ShanbaTat: what's your answer?
[00:28] mafiascumzufaul: I already gave it to you
[00:28] ShanbaTat: fine.
[00:28] ShanbaTat: then I'm sending peg the stuff
[00:29] ShanbaTat: hell
[00:29] ShanbaTat: I'll post it in thread direct.

[Shanba]

ZONEACE approached me with a proposal of allying with you and Sens until the merge. Do you trust Sens?
Also, happy to see that you are in my tribe, sad to see cry go.

Sens is a fool. PEG is playing everyone. We have to get PEG out, he is way too dangerous. I think we can get Crazy to help us there. We also got SG?

It seems good hat I never really trusted ZONEACE. He may be our alliance's leak. Did I get that right that Sens only talked of 4 members? Or does it mean 4 members + ZA? Because it would be good to know whether I am perceived to be in that alliance.

I so hope that I can get access the next week. *crosses fingers*

I heard two people (I honestly don't remember whom) talking about how PEG and how is allied to like everyone. As I am not at home I have no chatlogs right now, sorry about that.

Hey, who are we voting this round?

[23:16] MafiascumZuFaul: whether he suspected anything
[23:16] senspizzaline: No, don't.
[23:16] senspizzaline: I played it off really well to him.

talking about you, obv.

Just to keep you up to date:

[23:15] MafiascumZuFaul: oh, and about peg
[23:15] MafiascumZuFaul: should I approach sens/shanba?
[23:15] ZONEACE: no shanba
[23:15] ZONEACE: but go ahead and talk to sens


So I convinced them to vote off kloud instead of you. We can figure out what to do later.

[Shanba]

yeah there we go

[Shanba]

wait so what is the alliance for personal reference?

zufaul/peg/zoneace/sensfan?
zufaul*/shanba/sg
crazy

??

sens suggested a zufaul/peg/zone/sens/shanba alliance. I sold it out to zu. Other than that, yes, that's basically it.

[Shanba]

zone, learn to read in context.

[22:17] ShanbaTat: I wonder if I should say
[22:17] ShanbaTat: we had peg, zone, panzer and bb's lists

I was suggesting it as as sabotage. I can link you to the quicktopic where we had the lists of cay znd zu before the challenge deadline.

[Shanba]

wait so what is the alliance for personal reference?

zufaul/peg/zoneace/sensfan?
zufaul*/shanba/sg
crazy

??

sens suggested a zufaul/peg/zone/sens/shanba alliance.

that's true, then i realized what was happening with the votes in the other tribe and realized Shanba was gonna turn on us after the merge and side with Jath and Drench. So I put an end to that at the last TC.

Hrm

Sensfan has been plotting against me all game. I was never going to commit to an alliance with him in it. Do it lipservice, maybe.

[Shanba]

wait so what is the alliance for personal reference?

zufaul/peg/zoneace/sensfan?
zufaul*/shanba/sg
crazy

??

sens suggested a zufaul/peg/zone/sens/shanba alliance.

that's true, then i realized what was happening with the votes in the other tribe and realized Shanba was gonna turn on us after the merge and side with Jath and Drench. So I put an end to that at the last TC.

Hrm

Sensfan has been plotting against me all game. I was never going to commit to an alliance with him in it. Do it lipservice, maybe.

sens isn't getting voted out this time unless the three of you (zu, shan, SG) vote for him because Crazy an I have already voted and crazy is V/LA and I'm not changing mine.

You could change your vote, you know. It would be cool :(

[Shanba]

Damn.

[Shanba]

Damn.

I'm not telling you not to still try to get rid of sens, but I'm not going to be part of it. Not because of any sort of loyalty, but because you're the bigger the threat to my advancing in the game.


you zu and SG make 3. if you can convince PEG (if he hasn't already voted) then you've got it.

It's all but too late. There are a fuckton of people set against me, and the pliables have sent in their votes.

[Shanba]

I did give you reasons. I still think you've fucked yourself. Watch now as all your allies disappear.

[Shanba]

The moral of this story is, when throwing a hissy fit:

throw it before everyone has sent their votes in.

[Shanba]

The only thing left is song lyrics.

Condemnation
Tried
Here on the stand
With the book in my hand
And truth on my side

Accusations
Lies
Hand me my sentence
I'll show no repentance
I'll suffer with pride

[Shanba]

I did give you reasons. I still think you've fucked yourself. Watch now as all your allies disappear.

Oh, come one, you are just upset because you believed most of the stuff I told you.
I wanted to drag you on for a bit and maybe get some information out of you. But I never really owed you any loyalty. Yes, I argued for your survival last tribal council, but only because it was obvious that you'd be gone you out at the next possibility. Why? Because it was more fun. And because I like you as a person.
I don't think you even got anything useful out of me; even if I did say something useful it got lost in the clutter of obvious or invented stuff.

Hrm. So, because you liked me, you strung me along? Excuse me if I'm less than impressed

Yeah, OK. You had me. I trusted you. Well played and all that.

[Shanba]

Holy fuck. I'm only half way through this, Zu, and you have had 100 fold more converstation that i have had with Shanba/SL COMBINED.

That's because we decided to actually play this game called survivor, whereas you are just plowing on oblivious. I'm beginning to think that that might actually be the optimum strategy.

Actually, optimum strategy is probably to be a non-descript member of the most successful alliance. You're not a target but you are safe. My error was that I became too high profile: not necessarily my fault, mind. It was necessary in earlier rounds to fight off zazier's threat to me. But it was still an error, and one I should probably have avoided in the first place by not mouthing off to myko (since I am convinced that it was through him that everything else started.)

[Shanba]

Holy fuck. I'm only half way through this, Zu, and you have had 100 fold more converstation that i have had with Shanba/SL COMBINED.

So you have had an alliance with them from the beginning? Well, must be.

She might have one with jath, but she never had one with me.

'Sides, I'm pretty sure she voted jath over BB.

[Shanba]

oh and btw, this puts the lie to kmd believing she knows everything. Me being voted off? It was so close last week. It was just a question of when they decided to act. They

had

the majority all the time, in this tribe.

[Shanba]

Holy fuck. I'm only half way through this, Zu, and you have had 100 fold more converstation that i have had with Shanba/SL COMBINED.

that's probably because EVERYONE figured out in the first week of the game that you have BIG MOUTH and knows that if they tell you anything, everyone else in the game will know it within an hour.

Note I'm not the only one with a fuckin' big mouth.

She might have one with jath, but she never had one with me.

'Sides, I'm pretty sure she voted jath over BB.

Ha. I could've had Jath's head on a platter, but NOOOOO You asked me to ensure he'd make it through a little further. I don't care if I go now, and I haven't cared when I go, its a game, that I've gone so much further in than i had originally expected.

You voted panzer? I convinced you? If so, I am happy to have had at least a little influence in this game.

[Shanba]

[18:47] ShanbaTat:
and yes PEG is in my team. KMD is scared of him . PEG is very busy getting allies together.
[18:47] ShanbaTat: PEG and BB are close already, and it scares me.
[19:07] mafiascumzufaul: back
[19:08] mafiascumzufaul: hm
[19:09] ShanbaTat: I assumed, btw, that that was why kmd was voted out
[19:09] mafiascumzufaul: is the last comment also from that source?
[19:09] ShanbaTat: yes
[19:09] mafiascumzufaul: that kmd was scared of peg?
[19:09] ShanbaTat: mhm

Curious where this came from. I only really got a chance to strategize with a couple of people and I can only think of one who would know any of my actual plans. But would that person be telling you things like that? Hmm.

Oh and this game is getting fun to watch again.

Do some digging. I'm sure you can work it out.

[Shanba]

Should I also post the numerous names that warned me against sensfan this game? Because the list is simply extravagantly long. The only thing that rankles is that Sensfan beat me despite failing utterly at playing me

[Shanba]

Should I also post the numerous names that warned me against sensfan this game? Because the list is simply extravagantly long. The only thing that rankles is that Sensfan beat me despite failing utterly at playing me :(

sens actually saved you from going last time. I had 3 votes (maybe 4) but I couldn't get him to go along with it, so we switched to kloud.

Zu convinced sens.

[Shanba]

Pfft. Influence me? So maybe you had put the idea in my head, but I had taken some serious thought about keeping some one that was practically treating me as a slave and a go doer, or grow some balls and take a risk.

Either way. If I put the idea in your head, that's still influence. And it's still me having repaid jath for saving me twice.

[Shanba]

oh and btw, this puts the lie to kmd believing

he

knows everything. Me being voted off? It was so close last week. It was just a question of when they decided to act. They

had

the majority all the time, in this tribe.

Never claimed to know "everything", but I know quite a bit from the points of view of a few players.

Do some digging. I'm sure you can work it out.

Only one person who could have said that and you claim you never had any aliance with that person.

What good is a claim?

Actually, we had quite a lot of discussion before he finally turned me down.

[Shanba]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great vote people! Shanba was this game's JDodge.

I repeat: what the fuck did I do to you?

[Shanba]

I'm willing to accept I made some mistakes this game, but Sens, I think you're wrong about kloud. I know... I know that you would have blown our cover, as it were... but I think that not sacrificing what we had, which was at least a drawing majority, was more important, though I realise that wasn't obvious at the time. Heck, we should actually have just targeted peg or zone at that point and brute forced it from there, as I reckon we'd have had numbers from that point on.

But retrospective, hey?

[Shanba]

Crazy, that vote you're worried about was me, and I stand by it. It's disappointing, to me, to see people like you, like skitzer, like cay reach this far simply because there's never been time to vote you out, as everyone's always focused on the big threats, the big names, etc. If the tribes had not been shuffled, panzer and co would have continued with their run of voting off useless people (like animorpher) since they had dealt with the threat to their alliance. Similarly, my tribe would probably have voted off skitzer.

[Shanba]

OMGOMGOMG

Vote for Jdodge. Ultimate hilarity would ensue.

Also, I don't want to be voted back in, so please don't vote for me.

[Shanba]

I thought I would be chef?

Guess I really am the intern in the balloon at the final episode.

I'll get you all for this!

Jdodge interfered. In that way, he is a good analogy for chef.

You're more like the bear. A recurring character, but not an interfering one.

[Shanba]

I honestly believe the same thing will happen to panzer, though he has a slightly better chance if he plays his cards right.

[Shanba]

Ah! One round, eh? All that build up, all that work, all that cheating, heh.

[Shanba]

It's so predictable in these sorts of games that everyone tries to tear down the people doing well.

Hrm, not voting though, as I like all the people left in.

[Shanba]

Crywolf loses points for lack of effort.

Go Jath! Go Drench!

[Shanba]

[Katie] supports [Trent] 1m
[Beth] has run 25 out of 100 meters

Next time I'll support Beth, spread the love ;)

[Shanba]

[Katie] supports [Trent] 1m
[Trent] has run 60 out of 100 meters

[Shanba]

I cooould support you.

But I feel like prolonging your misery instead.

[Shanba]

[Katie] supports [Beth] 1m
[Beth] has moved 72 of 100 meters

DOWN TO THE WIRE!

[Shanba]

[Katie] supports [Beth] 1m
[Beth] has moved 76 of 100 meters

[Shanba]

Sha Sha Sha alliance was going to be so great.



All through the game, Jathan was honest in his dealings with me. I don't know how he got this reputation as an evil conniving arsehole, but it's just not true. Even when he needed to scheme to push back, to fight for the alliance, he did it with dignity and honesty - I'm thinking in particular of the first attempt to vote me out this game.

Cay, by contrast, very quickly developed a reputation as a blabbermouth, and with good reason. I don't know if any of you remember, but one of the early challenges in this game we won because we were given two or three of the boys' lists. By, I believe, Cay.

[Shanba]

SENSFAN!

hélas.