[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[Voodoo Lady]

Police Infiltration

1x Mafia Investigator
1x Mafia Roleblocker
1x Mafia Forger

10x Cop

In addition to their nightkill, the Mafia may use one of their powers each night.

The Investigator can determine the sanity of the player of their choice.
The Roleblocker does exactly what it says on the tin.
The Forger gives the player they target the alignment of their choice for that night.

Prior to the start of the game, for each cop, roll a D6. This determines that cop's sanity.

1 - Sane. Returns results as normal.
2 - Insane. Returns the opposite of the normal result.
3 - Naive. Always returns Innocent.
4 - Paranoid. Always returns Guilty.
5 - Wannabe. Returns whatever result the target returned. If the target did not receive an Innocent/Guilty result, they receive No Result.
6 - Inconclusive. Always returns No Result.

Cops are not alerted to their sanities prior to the start of the game.

[Voodoo Lady]

Hypothetically speaking, let's say I'm to run a game where each player bar one, prior to the start of the game, is given a second account that they have to play in the game with. Like, you have eight people sign up and there are fifteen accounts present.

Would this be a Mini Theme Game or a Large Theme Game?

[Voodoo Lady]

• 	A	B	C
  1	Town Jailkeeper	Vanilla Townie	Mafia Goon
  2	Mafia Roleblocker	Town 1-shot Bulletproof	Town Doctor
  3	Town Cop	Mafia Goon	Town Tracker

I brought this up in 1411 and Newbie Queue QT after we realized that the town more or less autowins if the Roleblocker dies before any of the PRs do.

Unfortunately, this makes a Cop/Tracker/Goon setup possible, which while rectifying the Roleblocker problem, might be even worse for the scum.

• 	A	B	C
  1	Town Jailkeeper	Vanilla Townie	Mafia Goon
  2	Mafia Roleblocker	Town Cop	Town 1-shot Bulletproof
  3	Town Doctor	Mafia Goon	Town Tracker

This setup is the best possible arrangement, in my opinion. The six possible arrangements of PRs are all pretty fair.

JK/VT/Goon: Jailkeeper is a fine role on its own, although I prefer it with other roles to fuck things up.
Roleblocker/Cop/1-Shot BP: Follow the cop is impossible, and the roleblocker makes up for the power level.
Doc/Goon/Tracker: The mafia could just no-kill if the Tracker attempted a Follow the Cop strategy-- while the Doctor would keep targeting the Tracker, giving it a false positive.
JK/Roleblocker/Doctor: JK will frequently get in the doc's way, even without a roleblocker in the mix.
VT/Cop/Goon: Also fair. In addition, the mafia could fakeclaim bulletproof if the cop claims.
Goon/1-Shot BP/Tracker: I suppose this is fair.

This look better?

[Voodoo Lady]

I do like replacing the BP with a backup, but that doesn't fix the problem I was aiming for-- namely, that the town can't lose if the Mafia Roleblocker dies D1.

I personally like the JK/doc interaction because they can't protect each other, and you can't have the JK claim and get all jaily while the doc waits in the shadows with a scalpel. Also, in row 1, Doc is a plausible fakeclaim for scum after the JK claims, so that might impact column 1 as well.

[Voodoo Lady]

• 	A	B	C
  1	Town Jailkeeper	Vanilla Townie	Mafia Goon
  2	Mafia 1-Shot Strongman	Town 1-shot Bulletproof	Town Doctor
  3	Town Cop	Mafia Roleblocker	Town Tracker

?

Neither the Tracker nor the Cop can be in a format with the Doctor. Period.

And the Jailkeeper can't be with the Doctor either. It's a fuckin logic puzzle!! >:0(

• 	A	B	C
  1	Town Cop	Town Jailkeeper	Mafia Goon
  2	Mafia Goon	Town Tracker	Vanilla Town
  3	Town 1-Shot Bulletproof	Mafia Roleblocker	Town Doctor

This is the best arrangement with the current five PRs, methinks. Not sure if replacing 1-Shot Bulletproof with a Backup would fix things.

Possibly horrible idea-- replace 1-Shot with a Watcher?

[Voodoo Lady]

Did you object to tracker and doctor and then suggest the much stronger watcher + doc is fine?

That's a good point. Hm.

Backup sounds fine. Although I'm not so sure we need a replacement for Bulletproof now that I think about it.

[Voodoo Lady]

Doc and cop are the easiest roles to grok. Would rather keep them.

Jailkeeper/Roleblocker is a stupid interaction and should be avoided.

• 	A	B	C
  1	Town Jailkeeper	Vanilla Townie	Mafia Ninja
  2	Mafia 1-Shot Strongman	Town 1-shot Bulletproof	Town Doctor
  3	Town Cop	Mafia Roleblocker	Town Tracker

Idk I'll fix it later

Are we certain Cop/Doc/Roleblocker is too townsided?

The problem with that was that when the Roleblocker died, if there was a cop, he could claim and have no problems.

It's also why I'm not so cool with each mafia space having a different PR.