[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[JacobSavage]

What are peoples thoughts on a modification of this set-up Duck, Duck, Goose! That instead of limiting it to one shot make it unlimited but in doing so means that it takes (one/two) less vote to lynch.

Maybe have some mechanic where scum can reduce their lynch threshold in order to appear town.

[JacobSavage]

What are peoples thoughts on a modification of this set-up Duck, Duck, Goose! That instead of limiting it to one shot make it unlimited but in doing so means that it takes (one/two) less vote to lynch.

Maybe have some mechanic where scum can reduce their lynch threshold in order to appear town.

Broken. If it's known that some townies have reduced lynch thresholds but no scum do, people will use pseudovotes, then all pile on at once when there's a majority. (And voting for anyone before that would be treated as a quickhammer attempt and have everyone pile onto you in an attempt to lynch you first.) That makes the lynch threshold thing irrelevant most days, and dependent on who's online when at lylo.

That's partly why I was thinking of making the scum being able to reduce their thresholds as well. But I can see your point

[JacobSavage]

That's partly why I was thinking of making the scum being able to reduce their thresholds as well. But I can see your point

Maybe you can upgrade the old broken Fight or Flight to something where all players have unlimited commute/vig shots.

If you made the actions for town non-consecutive (but allowed for scum to use consecutive actions)
And upped town to maybe 6/7? I feel that might work.

It gets rid of the problem of people constantly commuting.

With scum being able to commute they have to be careful if they get shot two nights in a row then they will be caught.
EDIT: How about if a majority of people use one action then it fails.

[JacobSavage]

Don't tell them what they get and make one of the pools (the Vig one) Vanilla.

[JacobSavage]

Even better make it a day role block so they can stop a conversion.

[JacobSavage]

I think as opens they might be less cult sided when they're open.

Also maybe a protective role could work or a Vig. Two anti town factions is a little bad.

[JacobSavage]

Urgggggggg....


But seriously I think making it 1 shot rather than N1 would certainly add a new dimension to the game ...

[JacobSavage]

There's no reason for them not to use it N1 -- all the potential anti-mafia stuff happens N1 (wolves could cross kill mafia, cop investigates Mafia) and since Mafia is underpowered compared to Wolves you'd definitely want to allow them to use it N1.

Using it N2 doesn't really help Mafia. They could save it till N3 though.

Thats kind of what I was thinking about, by saving it to the endgame it could be very damaging however by doing so they run the risk of getting investigated.

Give just the mafia day talk as well prephaps?

[JacobSavage]

What about giving town a compulsive CPR Doc....
(That doesn't work on mafia)

[JacobSavage]

Maybe a Seer head start?

[JacobSavage]

I've just thought, what would your thoughts be on having some sort of cross communication between the two factions.

Basically lets say a Seer gets outed D2, the Werewolves can then try and persuade the mafia to take them out for a promise of a kill later.
Or would this over power it completely?

[JacobSavage]

Angels can be congeryed.....

Also I think this is too bastard to be really run as an Open.

You've got a mafia cult and a cult and VTs who win how?

[JacobSavage]

But what is the Town win condition, when all the angels and demons are dead?

Currently it appears that they are punished if they lynch all the angels

[JacobSavage]

I like it ^
The only issue would be alt slips in the QT...

[JacobSavage]

Everyone needs

good

Neighbours

9 Town Neighbours
3 Scum Neighbours
Night Start.


Split {T,T,T} {T,T,T} {T,T,M} {T,M,M}
Scum have day talk.

[JacobSavage]

Distribute Neighbors randomly, but guarantee that all 3 mafia cannot be in the same neighborhood.

Make's sense, however would that still be classed as open?

[JacobSavage]

Once it gets approvals/ someone decides to mod it...

In terms on numbers is that about right? If it was randomly generated should that be balanced, its effectivly a 9:3 mountainous, should I add in something

(e.g. C9++ neighbours for example?)

[JacobSavage]

Which is why I'm think it might be worth adding it as a modification to another open set up.

[JacobSavage]

I'm thinking of something along the lines of:
Town Encyrptor (gives day talk to Neighbourhood, also effectively an innocent child)
Bodyguard
Roleblocker

[JacobSavage]

Hmm I want to give a protective role but I think Doctor + innocent child is jus over powered.

Perhaps Jailkeeper and Voyeur instead?

[JacobSavage]

@Ineffective: Culty Goodness?

[JacobSavage]

Everyone needs

good

Neighbours v2

• 5 Vanilla Townies
  
• Town Encyrptor
  
• Cop (
  Mafia
  or
  Not Mafia
  )
  
• Bodyguard
  
• Even Night Vigilante
  
• 2 Mafia Goons
  
• Mafia Jailkeeper
  
• Odd Night Serial Killer

Night Start


4 neighborhoods of 3, randomly distributed.
Scum have day talk.

[JacobSavage]

In this set up it grants its neighbourhood DayTalk

[JacobSavage]

It gives their neighbourhood day talk.

I.e. whilst they're alive the neighborhood that they are part of gets Daytalk, scum have it automatically.

[JacobSavage]

That's one of the things that annoyed me on EM the number of setups that where pretty much broken with their optimal strategies that you got shouted at for not following entirely. ..

Also if a loudmouth gets NKd does it reveal who targeted it that night ?

[JacobSavage]

How do you go about determining if a set up is balanced just out of curiosity?

[JacobSavage]

Nameless

• 2 Mafia Goons
  
• 1 Cop
  
• 1 Jailkeeper
  
• 5 Vanilla Townies

Has this been suggested before (I couldn't find it on the wiki) and is it balanced?

[JacobSavage]

How much do you think the Role Cop affects balanced if the whole set up is known before hand.

[JacobSavage]

Hoopla!

[JacobSavage]

I like it.

How would this work? Would you send out the scum PM's and give them 48 hours to decide what to do?

[JacobSavage]

I'm Dyslexic, I can do creative spellings. Does that count?

How about Power Gambit?

[JacobSavage]

I'll

2nd Stack the Desk

as it seems teh most appropriate

[JacobSavage]

Then you call it awesome and move on

@Siv: You have the discards.

Also this really shouldn't go as approved as it generally quite swingy and unbalanced.

[JacobSavage]

I've noticed that we haven't "nominated" any set-ups in a while....

[JacobSavage]

Nominate Two Chances

Even though it starts in LYLO it could be quite fun.

[JacobSavage]

Didn't consider that...

[JacobSavage]

Miller can be confirmed by both Cop and Seer investigating him (both should be guility?)

And then its what 8 against 6....

[JacobSavage]

A killing role who was targeted by another killing role will not have a successful kill and will die instead. (i.e. if player A targets player B, player B targets player C and player C targets player D, only player B will die)

Surely Player D will die as well? Or does it not have to be successful?

[JacobSavage]

So basically it forces the

I quite like:

Friends, Enemies and a Telephone Mast

3 Masons
1 Encyrptor (Gives both Mafia and Masons day talk)
6 Vanilla Townis

3 Goons

(Yes I know its just F and E with an Encyptor but sshs...)

EDIT: But I also really like LF's F and E. I'd play that.

[JacobSavage]

Although its a named townie it can actually hamper the town somewhat:

For example if all the masons par one of the masons are dead do you lynch the Encryptor to deprive the mafia of an advantage for the exchange of a mislynch.

[JacobSavage]

But they'd also give a HUGE advantage to the scums...

E: Although by the time that happens the town is pretty screwed anway...

[JacobSavage]

v1 is definitly better.

[JacobSavage]

I really like it, how about having:

Over-Concentred

13 players, 3 scum at the start of the game players must select from this list of roles, scum can talk at this time.

Role	Negative
Cop	Miller
Doctor	Macho
Tracker	Ninja
Jailkeeper	Andy Dufresne
Strongman	Commuter
Vanilla	Vanilla

For every PR chosen, the number of negative role modifers is equal to number of people that chose that role +/- 1.
These are distiputed amongst the players randomly?

[JacobSavage]

Isn't that just slightly more crazy dethy...

surely Cop's just investigate the same person twice and if they get the same result they are "probably" sane.

[JacobSavage]

Cloaked Necromancy

Mafia Doctor
Mafia Goon

Town Doctor
Town Watcher
Town Necromancer
5 Insomniacs

No Reveal. Town only told if the are a Tracker or not Tracker, Mafia given full Role. Mafia has a night kill. Each Night Necromancer chosen at random from Insomniacs. Each Night everyone must submit an action (else it is randomised). If they are the Necromancer that person is revived, if are the Doctor then they protect them, if they are an Insomniacsvisit that person but leave no trace.

Tracker see's all visits. Mafia Doctor may not action and kill on same night.

Thoughts?

[JacobSavage]

Make necro even night so the game won't go forever.

point

Do you mean tracker or watcher? Watcher seems like it could blow the game wide open by forcing everyone to target the same dude.

Thats actually a valid point. Change that to a tracker.

[JacobSavage]

That sounds too much like a cult to me...