[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[wierdalexv]

Hi all...I know I don't qualify to mod yet and my setup is unbalanced and sucks in the first place, but I decided to put this on anyways (Bvoigt did not approve). If you have any ideas or thoughts on improvements or anything, just send me a PM. Here it is, for Police Squad Mafia:

x1

One-Shot Publishing Cop

(or sane

Flavor Cop

?)
x1

Sane Cop

x1

Insane Cop

x1

Naive Cop

x1

Paranoid Cop

x2

Mafia Goon

(or x1

Goon

x1

Roleblocker

?)

Cops don't know what sanity they are, and they are not revealed on death. If I do decide on a Flavor Cop, they will learn the players sanity (maybe I should make it One-Shot). Any thoughts?

[wierdalexv]

Hi all...I know I don't qualify to mod yet and my setup is unbalanced and sucks in the first place, but I decided to put this on anyways (Bvoigt did not approve). If you have any ideas or thoughts on improvements or anything, just send me a PM. Here it is, for Police Squad Mafia:

x1

One-Shot Publishing Cop

(or sane

Flavor Cop

?)
x1

Sane Cop

x1

Insane Cop

x1

Naive Cop

x1

Paranoid Cop

x2

Mafia Goon

(or x1

Goon

x1

Roleblocker

?)

Cops don't know what sanity they are, and they are not revealed on death. If I do decide on a Flavor Cop, they will learn the players sanity (maybe I should make it One-Shot). Any thoughts?

Also, this is very close to dethy.

Yeah I tried to make a balanced version of Dethy, but I think I made it worse LOL.

[wierdalexv]

Just throwing this out there for an idea, not sure what you guys will think of it.

x1 Cannibal (SK)
x1 FBI Agent
x1 Arsonist (SK)
x1 Firefighter
x1 Psychopath (SK)
x1 Psychiatrist
x? Vanilla Townie
x1-2 Jailkeeper

Bvoigt thinks there should be a mafia too (two actually), but I think more than 3 NKs would be too many. I'm still thinking of a balance for the VTs, just wondering if anybody would actually want to play a similar setup to this or if you have any ideas for balance, although I'm not sure if it'll work very well.

[wierdalexv]

I haven't balanced it or anything but would anyone find this mechanic interesting?

x Townies
x Mafia Goons
x1 Mafia Cop*
x1 Vigilante
x1 Doctor
I might add other roles too, maybe a roleblocker or something.

Mafia do not know who each other are.
Mafia do not have any out-of-thread communication. Kills rotate. (i.e. N1, Scum #1 gets kill, N2, Scum #2 gets kill, etc.)

*Like a regular cop, gets 'Innocent' or 'Guilty'

[wierdalexv]

Mafia may kill each other; that will harm their faction greatly because their best players are most likely to be killed.

You shouldn't include so many PR's. See Stoofer's 4th Law.

Yes, I guess they would. It's sort of the point that this is possible, but should there be a Mafia Doc instead of a Mafia Cop to make it less likely?

Good point about the power roles. Should I have one bulletproof instead of the vig and doc? Then it would look like

x?

Vanilla Townies

x2

Mafia Goons

x1

Mafia Doc

x1

Bulletproof townie

or something of that sort.

[wierdalexv]

I didn't really check for balance myself, but I estimated that it is, at least somewhat.

x1 Mafia Godfather
x1 Elite Goon
x1 Mafia Goon
x1 Sane Cop
x1 Gunsmith
x1 Miller
x1 Gun Ownner
x6 VTs

Elite Goon is a Godfather for the Gunsmith. Gun Owner is (obviously) a Miller for the Gunsmith. Miller and Gun Owner recieve a VT Role PM, to prevent them from becoming a named townie. Note that Elite Goon

can

kill and that the Gun Owner

can't

.
Day start.

[wierdalexv]

Would my game be better if the Miller and Gun Owner were given to one player randomly (including scum), so they know they are a miller but are not confirmed town? Or is that even less fun?

[wierdalexv]

Also, Godfather can't recieve Miller and Elite Goon can't recieve Gun Owner, obviously.

[wierdalexv]

So he's basically a Survivor with a 10/13 chance of making himself immune to one death, and then he has a 9/12 chance if the guard dies, etc?? Way too easy to win.

Also, and thoughts on my setup?

[wierdalexv]

10/13 chance of getting a guard VS. 1/13 chance blocking him, and vig only kills a town guard if he shoots the SK.
The problem is, unless he doesn't get a guard (3/13 chance), the town has to either Lynch + Vig (and that requires the SK to not get a guard again, 3/26 chance that he misses both), RB + Lynch, Vig + Lynch, RB + Vig, Lynch + Lynch, Vig + Vig, or some combination of them that I forgot to mention.

There's a 3/26 chance

at best

ever day/night cycle to kill him. Probably not going to happen.

[wierdalexv]

Oh.

Reeeeeeeeeecalculating.

4/13 chance of getting him killed, basically a 3/13 chance of him not getting a guard minus 3/26 chance of RB + Lycnh, adding in a 1/13 chance of getting vigged.

That's 9/13 chance. It should be closer to 6-7/13.

[wierdalexv]

It could be fixed by making the mafia not work as guards.
EDIT: Or you could have the goon kill the SK if the guard if he targets him to make it more risk/reward but less skill.

[wierdalexv]

Also, do people not like the idea behind my setup or is it something wrong with the setup itself?

[wierdalexv]

Would my game work if it were millerless?

[wierdalexv]

Innocence Faded

x1

Mafia Godfather

x1

Mafia Bladefather

(Godfather to Gunsmith)
x1

Mafia Goon

x1

Investigation-Immune Serial Killer

x1

Cop

x1

Gunsmith

x0-2

Millers

x0-2

Gun Owners

(Miller to Gunsmith)
x6-10?

Vanilla Townies

12?:3:1
Not sure on the number of VTs, that's honestly nothing more than a guess.

[wierdalexv]

SK turns up as Town/No Gun.

[wierdalexv]

gun owners and millers are presumably informed?

Yes.

[wierdalexv]

An idea I had a really long time ago, just found it looking through some old word documents:

Necromancy Mafia

x1

Town Necromancer

(has access to Dead QT)
x1

Town Cop

x8

Vanilla Townies

x2

Mafia Goons

x1

Mafia Rolecop

The idea is that once you're dead, you're still not out of the game. Dead townies can give their thoughts, the cop can relay his results, and the mafia can WIFOM their hearts out. The role is only helpful if the dead players decide to stay active in the QT, however I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing. I don't think it's too bad, at least concept-wise, but I'd love to hear whatever thoughts you have on it.

Edit: Hey, just realized this is my 1,000th post on-site!

[wierdalexv]

So it's basically two Goons and a 1-Shot Godfather against a Cop and six VTs, with the chance of making it 3:7 mountainous if the Godfather targets the Cop?