[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok I have a briliant IDEA!!!!!
14 are People required

• Town has
  2 town
  1 Vigilanty
  1 cop
  1 doctor(the reason for both cop and doc is because there is an SK and a Mafia killer a follow the cop strategy won't work.)
  1 nurse
  1 Day doctor(during the night he pm's the mod the name of a person, it has no effects during the night, but if both the doctor and his patient survive the night if his patient gets lynched the next day, he is saved and night starts)
  They win when Mafia and Crazies are gone.
  
  Crazy people consist of
  1 SK
  1 Brain washed body gaurd(knows who the SK is and each night has an opertunity to save the SK, but if the SK wasn't being attacked the Gaurd dies if SK dies he becomes SK)
  They win when it is only them alive,
  
  Mafia consists of
  1 Head of Mafia(Kills one person each night)
  1 Crooked Cop( same as cop but works for Mafia, Knows who real cop is but the only mafia member he knows is the Head Mafia man)
  1 Roleblocker
  1 Bodygaurd(Mafia Doctor, can save one person, but not himself)
  1 Suicide bomber( sililar to a PGO, if this player gets lynched during the day the person who hammered get blown up and dies, but nothing happens if he is night killed.)
  They win when only them remain

Ok thats my game please nominate if you like it.

[drmyshottyizsik]

^^Trinomic Mafia

[drmyshottyizsik]

Good first point, but I disagree we the second. He becomes SK if SK is lynched or night killed. He doesn't have protect him because if he does, but the SK wasn't being killed then he dies. Good third point he should be a private investigator instead, still only knows who head of the mafia is though, and cant use QT. The other thing is, that the mafia wouldn't know who the PI is. DD should just become a second doctor. And the other thing is that you still NK the SB.
Would it work with the above edits?

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok ill make him a MT

[drmyshottyizsik]

Take out the traitor and out in one more VT and a this, I had an idea for a character called a biochemist and something like that and each night he can chose ine player to suddate and that person is in active for the following day but cant be lynched, if you want his night ability, if present can be cancled too. If you dont like that I could just add 2 vts

[drmyshottyizsik]

4 doctors?

[drmyshottyizsik]

All doctors would start active

[drmyshottyizsik]

4 doctors
2 nurses
1 vig
1 cop

[drmyshottyizsik]

drop the crazies?

[drmyshottyizsik]

also take out the nurses and make them VT
Take two of the docs and make them a deputy and a PGO?

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok one last change, but the suicide bomber back in and add one more VT

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yes he does. Thank you

[drmyshottyizsik]

I like it thank you

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok how about Ability Mafia
4 cops
2 docs
1 one shot day vig

1 Goon
2 Mafia PGO's

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok no goon 2 cops 2 townies

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok no goon 2 cops 2 townies

Dropping the Goon doesn't help much.
Hell, it doesn't help at all, really.
You still have two scum PGOs, which will average about one extra kill a night, besides for the normal NK.

You still have 2 Cops and 2 Docs. The Cops are pretty much useless. The only people they can investigate are scum PGOs, who kill them on-site. The Cop would have to claim in-thread, announce his NP target, in order to actually get the town to benefit from him. At that, he's sacrificing himself.

Scum PGO is just a bad idea.

I'm totally willing to help you with setups, but a scum PGO isn't something that will work in an Open game.

Ok how about
2 mafia PGOs

1 doc
4 cops
3 trackers

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok just one mafia PGO
and 7 trackers, game starts at night 0

[drmyshottyizsik]

Double Mafia or something else
1 Mafia A RB 2 Mafia A Goons 1 Mafia B RB 2 Mafia B Goons 3 Mason A's 3 Mason B's 1 Cop 1 Doc 1 Nurse 2 VTs

[drmyshottyizsik]

Friends and enemies and enemies and enimies, and more enemies.
1 God Father
1 Role blocker
1 Mafia Bomb

3 Wear wolfs

1 Sk

1 Third Party Imune Lightning Rod holder (can only be NK'd by SK, has 3 shots, roleblocks do not work on him)

1 Cop
1 Doc
1 Nurse
1 one shot day vig.
6 VT's

[drmyshottyizsik]

GOOD POINT ABOUT LIGHTNING RID, HE CANT WIN, OOPS :\

[drmyshottyizsik]

sadas

[drmyshottyizsik]

^^sorry

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok sorry if I'm rude Vezo, but if one there's a 4% chance this game ends with a mafia win N-0
And if you add more hiders and a goon then what does the goon do?
Also the redirector, if he were smart would simply redirect two people to hide with himself, or if you block that, he would redirect them to hide with the same person, so you may end up with three dead townies every night, so after two mislynches(which is very likely with the setup) its a mafia night 2 win or night 1 win if you start N-0, and then the mafia only needs one mislynch.

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok i have an idea though

1 gf
1 goon

1 sk

3 masons(one of them is the sk)
1 tracker
3 Vt's

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok then two role blocking mafia, no night kill for them, and sk is blockable

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok guys be super critical about this one,

Mixed Mason Mafia

Mafia

1 GF
1 Goon
1 Odd Night RoleBlocker
1 Even Night RoleBlocker

Town

mason group one:

2 People on Odd Nights they act as a single cop

mason group two:

2 People on even nights they act as a single cop

mason group three:

3 People On Odd Nights they function as a single Doctor(Can't protect anyone in their group) and on even nights they function as a single vig.(multi shot)

mason group four:

4 people On even Nights they function as a single Doctor and on Odd nights they function as a Tracker. Also this group has a Head Mason who always apears guilty on cop investigations

2 Vt's

Third party

Third Party Lovers- They function as a single serial killer and are both immune to NK's

[drmyshottyizsik]

It was a nice and peaceful day in the town of Shottyville, when a man decided he wanted to get married. So he went to shotty strips Gentleman's Cub. But sudenly, the lights go black and a scream is heard. When the lights come back on, all the doors are locked and all to be seen it a dead Waiter hanging from the ceiling. After a few seconds, a note falls out of his pocket that reads.
"You will never leave
We will kill you all
The only way out is to get all three keys
-Signed
The Owner"

Welcome to

Trapped in a Gentleman's Club Mafia

The town wins when all threats to the town are eliminated, or for flavor sake, all three parts of the key are acquired.

town

6 Gentlemen(VT)
1 Groom to be(Haas a QT with Best man)
1 Best man to be(Qt with Groom)
1 drunk cop(50/50 chance of getting the result, he will get the truth but only have a 50% chance of getting it. If he doesn't get it he recieves a pm saying sorry)
1 DJ(can watch a person)
1 Creeper(Track someone at night, but if the person they track gets NK'd they too die)
1 Gambling addict(Each night they can pm the mod the name of a person who they think will get lynched the next day. If they are right, then that person lives, but if he is wrong then he will show up as a guilty on cop reports that night.)

3rd party

Bar Tender(Each night he may either poison someone's drink(kill them), watch them, or track them. He can not use the same choice twice in a row)

Mafia

1 Owner(God Father)
1 Bouncer(Role Blocker)
1 Hooker(Each night she may kiss some one, and if that person is kissed then their ability will fail, and will show up as guilty on cop reports)

[drmyshottyizsik]

If this is run as an open set up then mass claim would kill it any way, so scum would just claim gentleman.
Odd night cop sounds good.
Didn't mean to do that. Get rid of bouncer and make him a vannilla mafia member
Yes that was the point and mass claim always kills scum if they claim scum
When he is all alone, or if one mafia one town and him remain he wins.
Nieghbors

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ya I know and GF is I.I. and SK is bullet proof.
I put a lot of thought into this game. I kinda think it may be run better as a mini theme though. Thoughts?

[drmyshottyizsik]

YaY!! I don't fail for once!

[drmyshottyizsik]

town

4 Gentlemen(VT)
1 Groom to be(Haas a QT with Best man)
1 Best man to be(Qt with Groom)
1 Odd Night cop
1 DJ(can watch a person)
1 Creeper(Track someone at night, but if the person they track gets NK'd they too die)

3rd party

Bar Tender(Each night he may either poison someone's drink(kill them), watch them, or track them. He can not use the same choice twice in a row)

Mafia

1 Owner(God Father)
1 Hooker(Each night she may kiss some one, and if that person is kissed then their ability will fail, and will show up as guilty on cop reports)

Maybe this?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I feel that the SK has less power because he can't kill twice in a row.
And Masons would work,

[drmyshottyizsik]

And i think it would be really fun too

[drmyshottyizsik]

I would name it something else, so no one would know

[drmyshottyizsik]

town

4 Gentlemen(VT)
1 Groom to be(Haas a QT with Best man)
1 Best man to be(Qt with Groom)
1 Odd Night cop
1 DJ(mix two peoples power roles (get it :p))
1 Creeper(Track someone at night, but if the person they track gets NK'd they too die)

3rd party

Bar Tender(Each night he may either poison someone's drink(kill them), watch them, or track them. He can not use the same choice twice in a row)

Mafia

1 Owner(God Father)
1 Hooker(Each night she may kiss some one, and if that person is kissed then their ability will fail, and will show up as guilty on cop reports)

Maybe this?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I threw the cop in the mix to make it fun Gand. I know what you are saying and i thought of that, and I though of replacing him with a miller(jk) or a retard who had a post restriction and cuold only use one sylable words

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok guys will be masons
and the cop will be an every day cop or would it be better if the cop was a drunk instead?

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok well then i think i just made a working set up

[drmyshottyizsik]

@anti- one mis lynch and the game could be over if the vig mis kills

[drmyshottyizsik]

oh sorry I mis read, but sstill if they do bus, then mafia wins if vig mis shoots

[drmyshottyizsik]

it's a jank set up man

[drmyshottyizsik]

^^good idea

[drmyshottyizsik]

well i would keep it at four, but cap the vig, and add a vt and a town pgo

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok take away one towny and balance that(because of the pgo) with a town watcher or role blocker

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok make two one shot vigs, but one can only use its shot on odd nights and one on even. keep 7 townies, cap the pgo

[drmyshottyizsik]

when i said cap i ment kill, make it go bye bye,

[drmyshottyizsik]

i like it like that. I would play

[drmyshottyizsik]

Blind but Loved Mafia

town

2 groups of Blind Lovers(in their pm they are given a name that they must use in the QT(not their own))
1 Pathetic Blind Child(Can Vote)
1 Blind cop(Can't chose who he investigates)
4VT's

SK

Blind SK- kills a random person if he chooses, but kills himself if he kills the child

mafia

2 goons
1 RB

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty, the lovers would just name-claim in their QTs and solve the problem.
Also, blind cop is somewhat lame. Get a real cop.
Next, all the lovers have to do is claim, and you've got instant masons, as the scum/SK are not lovers.

BROKEN.

true, but they could be restricted and not allowed to name claim, but then again who would enforce it

[drmyshottyizsik]

how about this

town

7 blind neighbors(all town shares one QT, no name claiming, and a fake name is given to you)
1 cop

mafia

3 goons(w/QT)

[drmyshottyizsik]

that's why the mod would have to be strict
like fate

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok so the town starts with 6 PR's and if the pr is lynched they can pass on their ability

town

9 VT's(For now)
1 cop
1 Doc
1 Tracker
1 Watcher
1 Vig
1 Bullet proof townie

3rd Party

2 Sk masons(only one kill)

mafia

1 God father
1 RB
2 Goons

[drmyshottyizsik]

if the person is NK'd the power goes away, and no the SK's are also bullet proof,
what if they were lovers?

[drmyshottyizsik]

^^but bullet proof

[drmyshottyizsik]

no they come back as gui;ty on cop reports

[drmyshottyizsik]

they are lovers dude so only one of them will need to be lynched

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok so the town starts with 6 PR's and if the pr is lynched they can pass on their ability. If they are NK'd the ability dies.

town

9 VT's(For now)
1 cop
1 Doc
1 Tracker
1 Watcher
1 Vig
1 Bullet proof townie

3rd Party

1 SK

mafia

1 God father
1 RB
3 Goons

[drmyshottyizsik]

No the PR goes away if that happens. Unless you think it would work better other wise

[drmyshottyizsik]

but they couldnt really could they?
and confirmed town would make it ballanced because of the 3 nk's

[drmyshottyizsik]

but they couldnt really could they?
and confirmed town would make it ballanced because of the 3 nk's

NO. MASSCLAIM MEANS BREAKAGE.

oh ok, so ya scum can get the pr

[drmyshottyizsik]

At this point man you need to get rid of a towny and run this as a mini theme(semi-open)

[drmyshottyizsik]

also a Mass Claim will destroy it if it's run open

[drmyshottyizsik]

they could always play pass the miller ability

[drmyshottyizsik]

once again a mass claim kills the game.

[drmyshottyizsik]

oh well then that dumb because mafia millers is a bad idea

[drmyshottyizsik]

then how could the roles be random?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Really bored but here's my new idea

Every Man has a secret mafia

town

10 Men with secrets

mafia

Two Mafia black mailers- At night they get to choose one person to black mail, thus turning the person they black mailed into mafia with them.
If the mafia party how three people and it is night, then after the after the mafia chooses who to blackmail, they then also choose which of their members to kill(cannot being the same as th person black mailed)

[drmyshottyizsik]

So the mafia is really a cult with a recruit and a kill if they get big? That's totally balanced.

They can only kill their own, not others.

exactly i think this open up a fun strategy, also the kill is to prevent pre mature lylo/mylo

[drmyshottyizsik]

day one
2 mafia : 10 town

day two

3 mafia : 8 town

day three

3 mafia : 6 town

day four
3 mafia : 4 town

day five
3 mafia : 2 town(over)

The game lasts at least four days

[drmyshottyizsik]

I want to run it!!!!
Only a month away from mod'ing!

[drmyshottyizsik]

wait did I make another good game!?!?!

[drmyshottyizsik]

also how do i get this added to the list of approved games?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I would suggest the earliest recruited living member would choose in every case, and specify somehow the order of the first two.

I am going to have the mafia pm me a name of one of the three existing members and the majority dies, or i randomize if no one gets a majority. Also mafia does not have to recruit

[drmyshottyizsik]

That is NOT a good idea. Randomness has no place in mafia.

Ok then I will ask the person being recruited which one he wants dead

[drmyshottyizsik]

That..... SORT of makes sense. But then you would have to have a night phase, and then a morning phase, where you let the recruitee into the QT and let him decide who to kill.

no he pm's me at night. I will pm him a list of the three current mafia members

[drmyshottyizsik]

so the originall two can never kill themselves?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I like it alot anti, what do you think of mine?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Due to the recruiting aspect, I would say that the mafia should always have to kill one of their own, regardless of their numbers. Otherwise, it makes it IMPOSSIBLE for the town to win. So basically, it's a suicide cult where whoever submits the recruitment PM dies.

Because of the alignment change and lack of town power roles, 2:10 is probably the ideal ratio. Very swingy.

>.<
I forgot to put in there that if a Mafia member is lynched then the Mafia can not recruit that night >.<!

[drmyshottyizsik]

Still, for the town to win in that case, they have to have 3 consecutive lynches (in essence), while the mafia only needs 3 mislynches at any time to win. With the consistent alignment shift, it's nearly impossible to lynch correctly even twice in a row.

It needs to essentially be a suicide cult. At a 2:10 ratio. The mafia needs 4 mislynches to win, the town needs 2 successful lynches to win. While this may sound unbalanced, because of the consistent alignment shift, it will be really hard to pin down the scum, especially without any power roles.

Throw in a few 1-shot cops. That should balance it out quite nicely.

So the setup would be:
2 Suicide Cultists (whoever recruits also dies)
3 1-Shot Cops (they also detect "fresh" recruits)
7 VTs

I like it a lot, but the cops should not detect new recruits.
Also how about this as well
2 Suicide Cultists
3 1-Shot Cops (don't detect "fresh recruits")
6 VT's
1 Bomb(Die when recruited, but the recruiter also dies)(This will put town one up)

Also if the mafia recruits a cop, he keeps he ability so that they can try to find the bomb(They turn to mafia role cops)

[drmyshottyizsik]

JF- What about my new update?

[drmyshottyizsik]

no that won't work because if the person recruited gets clensed then it's a town auto win, all he has to do is claim that he was recruited

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok here it goes! BEST IDEA EVER!!!!

I couldn't Come up with a name Mafia

This is a 12 player game

town

1 Super Cream Puff/JOAT(No Kill)
1 Doctor/Cop/Vig/First Mason
1 Nurse/Deputy/Back up vig/Second Mason
1 Hider
5 Vt's

mafia

1 BP Godfather
1 Role blocker
1 Bus Driver

Ok so if the Cream Puff is selected then the Vig will not be in the game, so there will only be 2 NK's

THOUGHTS!?

[drmyshottyizsik]

A JOAT with five one shot abilities, one being a kill

[drmyshottyizsik]

dumb! all townies volunteer night 1 and then you have 3 confirmed scum

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok here it goes! BEST IDEA EVER!!!!

I couldn't Come up with a name Mafia

This is a 12 player game

town

1 Super Cream Puff/JOAT(No Kill)
1 Doctor/Cop/Vig/First Mason
1 Nurse/Deputy/Back up vig/Second Mason
1 Hider
5 Vt's

mafia

1 BP Godfather
1 Role blocker
1 Bus Driver

Ok so if the Cream Puff is selected then the Vig will not be in the game, so there will only be 2 NK's

THOUGHTS!?

[drmyshottyizsik]

A game of mafia mafia

2 VIs(Netruel people with a dumb PR of their choice (Example: Lamp Shade- Has the ability to cover one person at night and will die in their place id killed.))(Simply have to live to the end to win and they can't claim neutral)

4 MIT grads (Town alingned and get to request one one shot PR of their choice)
3 Drunk College kids (Town alinged players who each submit a PR and those 3 along with 2 that the mod chooses create a pool of PRs that the drunks are randomly assigned)
4 Average Joes (VT)(Get to pick their charater names)

3 Thought driven drop outs(The Mafia faction gets one night kill, but on top of that each mafia member may send in a choice of additional Mafia roll to me. But if two people pick the same mafia PR then neither get a pr)

[drmyshottyizsik]

then you would want to lynch a vt because it would clear someone as town, so you would just insta lynch someone real quick

[drmyshottyizsik]

Grouped up mafia

town

3 pairs of lovers
1 duo of masons
1 pair of neighbors

mafia

1 day talking pair of goons
1 Mason scum buddy

[drmyshottyizsik]

yes so there are 3 masons and one is scum

[drmyshottyizsik]

hmmmmmm............ YES! and i think that scum should be optioinal, you know like either he's a rb or a neighbor

[drmyshottyizsik]

Grouped up mafia(Revised)

town

3 pairs of lovers
1 trio of masons
1 pair of neighbors

mafia

1 day talking pair of goons
1 neighbor scum buddy/mason scum buddy(so you can't beat the set up with claims)

[drmyshottyizsik]

there's 3 of them... idk there's not much difference, mainly the masons can confirm who the other masons are at least due to having three of them, would a sk mason/neighbor be to much?

I would set it up to were the mafia member and the sk could be on the same mason group,,, tehehe that wuold be fun,

[drmyshottyizsik]

Nominate: At least one of the retalitory mountainious games

- I have to say that I find the 64.6% chance the best.

My first

second

. I'm quite in love with the setup.

Thirded

this biotch just got

fourthed

which means the movement should be passed

[drmyshottyizsik]

that ideas is brilliant!

Nominate Kioari's Inverse Mafia

[drmyshottyizsik]

No Vanilla Crazy Mafia

Town

X2

Rival Psychiatrists

X1

Methodist Priest

X1

Puritan Preist

X1

Double Voter

X1

One-Shot Failed Kidnapper

X9

Restless Spirits

Third Party

X2

Selfish Psychopaths

Mafia

X1

One-Shot Executioner

X1

One-Shot Poisoner

X1

Spirit Crusher

Special ROLES!

Rival Psychiatrists

- Every night, the Psychiatrists each target one person. If they target one of the Psychopaths, the Psychopath is cured and becomes a regular Townie. Neither Psychiatrist becomes a normal doctor until both Psychopaths are either dead or cured.

If both Psychiatrists target the same Psychopath then the Psychopath is not cured.

Selfish Psychopaths

- Functions as a normal SK, but can be cured.

Also if the two Psychopaths target each other or target the same person, then they kill each other instead of the town member dieing. If the Psychopath kills the same person as the mafia does, then the Mafia Member who pm's the mod and the Psychopath dies, but the town member lives.

They can only claim that they are Restless Spirits.

Methodist Priest

- Can't hammer

Puritan Priest

- Can only hammer

Failed Kidnapper

- Functions as a normal Kidnapper, but the person they Kidnap can still vote.

Restless Spirit

- If this person is lynched then the next day phase, they can not post(they are dead), but they can vote once.(PM the Mod) If they are NK'd the are only dead.

Spirit Crusher

- Each night they send in a choice for who they think will be lynched, if that person is lynched and is a Restless Spirit, then the restless spirit doesn't get a vote the next day.

Bold == Changed from original role

[drmyshottyizsik]

^^Thoughts?

[drmyshottyizsik]

why not? It would funtion fine as an open

[drmyshottyizsik]

tehehe yes, I kinda wish I had your role. But the priest can't prove anything. And the scum could fake claim spirits, or priests.

[drmyshottyizsik]

there are 9 spirits

[drmyshottyizsik]

you can't prove either Priest

[drmyshottyizsik]

I really think the Executioner and poisoner balance it out

[drmyshottyizsik]

there are two possible doctors

[drmyshottyizsik]

why would they most likely be dead?

[drmyshottyizsik]

read what I posted they can only claim Spirit

[drmyshottyizsik]

So Hero should we never talk about a game that has a mafia goon in it due to the fact that a newbie game is running?

[drmyshottyizsik]

He's not mad that I used his role, he is mad that I said I wished I had your role, which is a known role,you are dead in that game, stating your role is not bad and won't hurt anyone

[drmyshottyizsik]

Then how do I know it?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Oh ok, then whats the problem?

[drmyshottyizsik]

oh I see, didn't you bring it up?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I never related it to his game, you did. And [/conversation over] == End the conversation being over, so it's not over yet.
[/conversation]

[drmyshottyizsik]

Love Cult

1 Love Cult Leader
12 Vanilla Townies

Each night the Love Cult Leader must select 1 person to join their cult.

If three town are lynched then the cult win and town lose.

If one cult member is lynched then the cult lose and town win.

Town win probabilities are around 52% if playing at random (1/13 chance of lynching correctly day one, 2/11 on day two and 3/9 on day 3).

sounds kinda similar to a game I posted here a while back I love the idea of a good cult game.

N'th

[drmyshottyizsik]

isn't someone lynched each day, and then converted at night?

[drmyshottyizsik]

yes

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty's Vengeful

8 Vengeful Townies

1 Mafia Killing Sk

1 Godfather
2 Goons

Shotty's Simple 6P Nightless

4 Townies

1 Godfather
1 Goon

Shotty's Simple 9P Nightless

6 Townies

1 Godfather
2 Goons

Shotty's watch the Cop

5 Townies
1 Cop
2 Watchers

3 Goons

Shotty's Restless 5P

4 Restless Townies
1 Goon

Shotty's Restless 7P

1 Restless Cop
4 Restless townies

2 Goons

[drmyshottyizsik]

1) Mafia-Killing SK is called a Vig.

2) Nightless is no different from normal, save insta-kills. That's not exactly a big change. And having "Godfathers" when there is no advantage to being a GF is lol-worthy. Might as well make them all Mafia RoleCop.

3) What exactly are "restless" roles?

1) He can't kill town even if he targets them, and he won't claim because he win separately from them.

2) The Godfather functions as a godfather does in a vengeful, it is a town insta win.

3) Remember? Hero told me I could use them. They can vote once the day after they die.

[drmyshottyizsik]

1) No he doesn't. He wins with the town. Because both of them win when the scum are dead.
He's a vig.
And a horrid role for an Open setup. lol Whoever claims him claims 3rd party, and is confirmed town because he wins with them.
Would you allow a joint-win?

2) Fine. Do the scumbags have a kill?

3) Oh. Huh. You realize I could vote the entire day, not just once, yes?

1) No he wins alone. If all scum die he must get the town to lynch each other in the day. No joint win.

2) No that's why it's nightless

3) >.> yes. They can vote all day.

[drmyshottyizsik]

sooo...?

[drmyshottyizsik]

They have a decent chance of winning,

[drmyshottyizsik]

Are there any you like?

[drmyshottyizsik]

any you like

[drmyshottyizsik]

there would only be a max of 1 and then at that point the game would be in lylo.

Also the Godfather in my nightless does nothing special, but if he is lynched then the mafia insta loose

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty's Simple 6P Nightless

4 Townies

1 Godfather
1 Goon

If the godfather's power only kicks in Day 1 then this is balanced but in that case this set up is essentially a more dull and bigger vengeful. Providing that the GF is just Day 1 then this isn't a bad set up.

Ok Godfather only is on day 1. That would make it fun.

Shotty's Restless 5P

4 Restless Townies
1 Goon

Not Mafia

Informed minority? Yes
Uniformed majority? Yes
It's mafia.
[quote="Empking]

Shotty's Restless 7P

1 Restless Cop
4 Restless townies

2 Goons

I'm not sure of the balance but I doubt Restless is that powerful of a role to make up for the classical power of this set up.[/quote][/quote]
The restless cop is very useful. The cop may get info the night he is killed so his role is pretty powerful.

[drmyshottyizsik]

there would only be a max of 1 and then at that point the game would be in lylo.

Not quite sure I get what you're saying but what about no lynches?
If there was 1 mafia left and 1 VT left, and one restless spirit lurking then it would be lylo.
If a no lynch happens then there is no restless spirit the next day.

Also the Godfather in my nightless does nothing special, but if he is lynched then the mafia insta loose

I got that, just wasn't sure if it only counted if the Godfather was lynched on day 1 or on any day, but you seem to be saying on any day.

Only day 1

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty's 14P Newbie

Cop	Doc	RB	Set up
1	1	1	1 Cop, 1 doctor, 9 townies, 1 RoleBlocker, 2 goons
1	0	1	1 Cop, 10 townies, 1 RoleBlocker, 2 goons
0	1	1	1 doctor, 10 townies, 1 RoleBlocker, 2 goons
1	0	0	1 Cop, 10 townies, 3 goons
0	1	0	1 Doctor, 10 townies, 3 goons
0	0	0	11 townies, 3 goons
1	0	0	11 townies, 2 goons, 1 Roleblocker

[drmyshottyizsik]

how is it unblalanced?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Explain

[drmyshottyizsik]

The mafia have to force 3 mislynches... actually 4 would be apt since there are 3 mafia... hmmmmmmmm... hold up

[drmyshottyizsik]

As I Lay Dying Mafia

1 Cop or Seer
1 Vig
8 Doctors

2 Werewolves

2 Mafia Goons

[drmyshottyizsik]

why what?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Well this one was inspired by mayo clinic

[drmyshottyizsik]

@Anti-No that was simply my inspiration

[drmyshottyizsik]

Sorry but it's not mafia

[drmyshottyizsik]

Everyone is equally informed. They each only know who they are

[drmyshottyizsik]

I know but starting with one scum is very unbalanced.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Exactly

[drmyshottyizsik]

Oh you won that argument I was saying exactly to it being unbalanced.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yes it would

[drmyshottyizsik]

I would play

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty's Final Attempt 13P Mafia

2 Goons
1 RB

2 Cops/Doctors(So you could have 2 Docs, 2 Cops, or 1 of each)
6 Townies
3 Neighbors(One is one of the goons.)

[drmyshottyizsik]

No they are just not confirmed masons. I've played plenty of games with one of the masons being scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty's Final Attempt 13P Mafia

2 Goons
1 RB

2 Cops/Doctors(So you could have 2 Docs, 2 Cops, or 1 of each)
6 Townies
3 Neighbors(One is one of the goons.)

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty's Final Attempt 13P Mafia

2 Goons
1 RB

2 Macho Cops/50 50 Cops/Doctors(So you could have 2 Docs, 2 Macho Cops, or 2 50 50 Cops or one of two.)
6 Townies
3 Neighbors(One is one of the goons.)

[drmyshottyizsik]

50/50 cop has a 50% chance of getting a report back on what he asked for. So thoughts on the final product?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty's Final Attempt 13P Mafia

2 Goons
1 RB

2 Cops/Doctors(So you could have 2 Docs, 2 Cops(One sane, one insane), or one Sane Cop and one Doctor.)
6 Townies
3 Neighbors(One is one of the goons.)

[drmyshottyizsik]

That would be dumb because by the time you lynch all three you have two mafia left and only 6 Town. That's a huge difference and the town is in a worse spot than the were to start with. Plus now you have no neighbors.

[drmyshottyizsik]

even if they have to kill one town before they kill the mfaia then the town is still slightly worse.

[drmyshottyizsik]

This is an open game so I don't like chance. I'm not a big fan of semi opens. . fourth town neighbor may be good. Thoughts?

[drmyshottyizsik]

True, but I have a solution!
Hold up

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty's Final Attempt 13P Mafia

2 Goons
1 RB

2 Cops/Doctors(So you could have 2 Docs, 2 Cops(One sane, one insane), or one Sane Cop and one Doctor.)
6 Townies
2 Neighbors(Both Town)
1 Neighbor(50/50 chance of being either a goon or a VT)

[drmyshottyizsik]

The game is balanced either way.

[drmyshottyizsik]

^^Mini texas justice?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I would play.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Homage to Adel and Guardian

2 Mafia

2-4 Vigs
0-2 Townies

nominate

[drmyshottyizsik]

3 Mafia goons
9 Townies
1 Cop

[drmyshottyizsik]

Mafia is OP....
In a newbie game there are 2 mafia 1 cop and once doc and 5 townies sometimes and that is balanced... This has 2 less townies and mafia has more power. It's lylo day 2.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok now you have a newbie game that is doctorless for one night...

[drmyshottyizsik]

2 Townies
7 Doctors
2 Cops

2 Sks

2 Goons

[drmyshottyizsik]

I was poking fun at tragedies game. In order to balance the one I posted 1 BP God father and like 3 Goons would be needed plus 1 more townie

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty's Clean Up 11P(Final Edit)

0-1 Cops
0-2 Doctors
0 or 2 Masons
0-1 Watchers
0-1 Trackers
0-1 Vigs
3-9 Townies

0-1 SKs

1 Janitor
1 BP Goon

Rolls would be assinged randomly. Basically Since there are 9 possible PRs (1 cop, 2 Doctors, 2 Masons, 1 Watcher, 1 Tracker and 1 Sk/Vig) It will work like this.
First you have to pick a random number between 0-2

If that number is 0 or 1 then there is no SK and the set up is chosen as follows:

No SK

Pick a number randomly 0-1, this determines the number of cops.
Pick a number randomly 0-2, this determines the number of doctors.
Pick a number randomly 0-2, if the number is 2 then there are masons, other wise there are not.
Pick a number randomly 0-1 this determines the number of watchers.
If six PRs have not already been selected, pick a number 0-1, this determines the number or trackers.
If six PRs have not already been selected, pick a number 0-1, this determines the number of vigs.
Since there is no SK, take 9 and subtract it by the number of PRs assigned and that is how many townies you have.

If the first random number is 2 then there is an SK and the set up selection goes like this.

SK Set Up

Pick a number randomly 0-2. If it is 0, the town get 1 doctor for sure. If it is 1, the town gets 1 cop for sure. If it is 2, the town gets 2 doctors for sure.
Pick a number randomly 0-2, this adds that many doctors to the already for sure number of doctors(There can still be a max of 2 Docotrs)
Pick a number randomly 0-1, this adds that many cops to the already for sure number of cop(There can still be a max of 1 Cop)
Pick a number randomly 0-2, if the number is 2 then there are masons, other wise there are not.
If five PRs have not already been selected, pick a number randomly 0-1 this determines the number of watchers.
If five PRs have not already been selected, pick a number 0-1, this determines the number or trackers.
Since there is an SK, take 8 and subtract by the number of PRs chosen, this is how many townies you have.

All deaths will reveal who the player was, BUT as long as the janitor is alive, the mafia is the only one who noes who the NK was.

[drmyshottyizsik]

thoughts?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I actually thought about that set up. It's amazing what really thinking can do

[drmyshottyizsik]

I actually thought about that set up. It's amazing what really thinking can do

[drmyshottyizsik]

>.> that was meant to read 1-2 doctors OR a cop for sure.

[drmyshottyizsik]

how many Nth's is needed to get it aproved

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty's Clean Up 11P(Final Edit)

0-1 Cops
0-2 Doctors
0 or 2 Masons
0-1 Watchers
0-1 Trackers
0-1 Vigs
3-9 Townies

0-1 SKs

1 Janitor
1 BP Goon

Rolls would be assinged randomly. Basically Since there are 9 possible PRs (1 cop, 2 Doctors, 2 Masons, 1 Watcher, 1 Tracker and 1 Sk/Vig) It will work like this.
First you have to pick a random number between 0-2

If that number is 0 or 1 then there is no SK and the set up is chosen as follows:

No SK

Pick a number randomly 0-1, this determines the number of cops.
Pick a number randomly 0-2, this determines the number of doctors.
Pick a number randomly 0-2, if the number is 2 then there are masons, other wise there are not.
Pick a number randomly 0-1 this determines the number of watchers.
If six PRs have not already been selected, pick a number 0-1, this determines the number or trackers.
If six PRs have not already been selected, pick a number 0-1, this determines the number of vigs.
Since there is no SK, take 9 and subtract it by the number of PRs assigned and that is how many townies you have.

If the first random number is 2 then there is an SK and the set up selection goes like this.

SK Set Up

Pick a number randomly 0-2. If it is 0, the town get 1 doctor for sure. If it is 1, the town gets 1 cop for sure. If it is 2, the town gets 2 doctors for sure.
Pick a number randomly 0-2, this adds that many doctors to the already for sure number of doctors(There can still be a max of 2 Docotrs)
Pick a number randomly 0-1, this adds that many cops to the already for sure number of cop(There can still be a max of 1 Cop)
Pick a number randomly 0-2, if the number is 2 then there are masons, other wise there are not.
If five PRs have not already been selected, pick a number randomly 0-1 this determines the number of watchers.
If five PRs have not already been selected, pick a number 0-1, this determines the number or trackers.
Since there is an SK, take 8 and subtract by the number of PRs chosen, this is how many townies you have.

All deaths will reveal who the player was, BUT as long as the janitor is alive, the mafia is the only one who noes who the NK was.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Wait.
So there's NO other scum power?

They have a BP goon and a Janitor... how much more power do they need? I could make the goon II and BP...

[drmyshottyizsik]

a 4 day open 11 P is a good game.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty's Clean Up 11P(Final Edit)

0-1 Cops
0-2 Doctors
0 or 2 Masons
0-1 Watchers
0-1 Trackers
0-1 Vigs
3-9 Townies

0-1 SKs

1 Janitor
1 BP Role Blocker

Rolls would be assinged randomly. Basically Since there are 9 possible PRs (1 cop, 2 Doctors, 2 Masons, 1 Watcher, 1 Tracker and 1 Sk/Vig) It will work like this.
First you have to pick a random number between 0-2

If that number is 0 or 1 then there is no SK and the set up is chosen as follows:

No SK

Pick a number randomly 0-1, this determines the number of cops.
Pick a number randomly 0-2, this determines the number of doctors.
Pick a number randomly 0-2, if the number is 2 then there are masons, other wise there are not.
Pick a number randomly 0-1 this determines the number of watchers.
If six PRs have not already been selected, pick a number 0-1, this determines the number or trackers.
If six PRs have not already been selected, pick a number 0-1, this determines the number of vigs.
Since there is no SK, take 9 and subtract it by the number of PRs assigned and that is how many townies you have.

If the first random number is 2 then there is an SK and the set up selection goes like this.

SK Set Up

Pick a number randomly 0-2. If it is 0, the town get 1 doctor for sure. If it is 1, the town gets 1 cop for sure. If it is 2, the town gets 2 doctors for sure.
Pick a number randomly 0-2, this adds that many doctors to the already for sure number of doctors(There can still be a max of 2 Docotrs)
Pick a number randomly 0-1, this adds that many cops to the already for sure number of cop(There can still be a max of 1 Cop)
Pick a number randomly 0-2, if the number is 2 then there are masons, other wise there are not.
If five PRs have not already been selected, pick a number randomly 0-1 this determines the number of watchers.
If five PRs have not already been selected, pick a number 0-1, this determines the number or trackers.
Since there is an SK, take 8 and subtract by the number of PRs chosen, this is how many townies you have.

All deaths will reveal who the player was, BUT as long as the janitor is alive, the mafia is the only one who noes what the NK's role was.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Tragedy, shut up. You're not helping.

BUT as long as the janitor is alive, the mafia is the only one who noes who the NK was.

Explain this. Its pretty obvious who died.

The point is, you have massive openings for town power. A Cop and MULTIPLE DOCS without a Mafia RB? Broken.
Masons and a Cop/Tracker/Watcher?

The scum are 100% vulnerable to the old-as-hell-itself Cop/Doc combo without a RB.
And with Masons/Tracker/Watcher/Vig and TWO mafia things will get ugly.

look at the bottom of the new edit

[drmyshottyizsik]

And why exactly is the RB Bulletproof?

Because there is only 2 mafia and a possible 9 town.

Does the SK have any immunities?

I was going to ask you guys about that.Should he have any?

[drmyshottyizsik]

But they can also easily fake claim because only the know the role of the person they NK. Also it is very needed for the RB to be BP. What is they Janitor gets lynched day 1 and the vig shoots the RB night 1. Game over right there unless he is BP

[drmyshottyizsik]

Townie obviously.
Or if I am the BP RB I would claim for two reasons. One on the chance that there is an SK, because he wouldn't claim, and two to out the vig so the non BP janitor can NK him.
If I'm a Janitor I claim townie.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Well one this as way different mechanics than C9++, two it is less formulated, and three either you have a role or not, there are no innocent children if only 1 M is chosen, the SKs immunities don't change and the mafia is the same no matter what.

[drmyshottyizsik]

i'm not trying to make a new c9++. the only real similarity between the two is that they both have varying set ups. Asking why you would in for this over c9++ is like asking why would I in for bird 7p over double cop.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Even if it's 3+ Zombies, 1 Zombie can Kill while another random Zombie can infect somebody. The number of zombies infecting or killing people doesn't really change unless there's like one zombie left, which the last zombie can either infect or kill.

Potions

Red Potion = Kill (Player X) [20% chance to fail]
Blue Potion = Protect (Player X) [50% chance to Fail]
Green Potion = Disability to vote during the next Day Phase (against Player X) [30% chance for potion to fail]
Yellow Potion = Disability to post of any content (Voting is an exception) in thread during Day Phase (Against Player X) [30% chance for potion to fail]
Purple Potion = Roleblocked (Player X) [50% chance for Potion to fail]
Black Potion = (Player X) urges to murder (Player Y) without being notified [70% chance for Potion to Fail]

Mad Scientist's goal to win is for the Town to Lose.

You have the same problem I used to have. This is not an open set up

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty's Vengeful Night

7 Vengeful townies

2 Mafia Goons


Ok so in this set up. Instead of the Vengeful Townies declaring a kill in thread during the day, they instead pm the Mod who they want to kill, and it functions as a night kill.

[drmyshottyizsik]

So the town, nor the mafia know who is being vengekilled until the next day.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Presumably the goons have a kill.

What's the point of doing it by PM?

If the lynchee doesn't name who their target will be, it permits the possibility that the scum will target the same person, and if there are two kills, there could be some doubt which kill was made by the scum and which was chosen by the lynchee.
Also, unlike with normal vengeful townies, town can't win after a mislynch in 3-player LYLO.

All of the above is correct.

[drmyshottyizsik]

So this is a new Idea I had for a game I wanted to test it in Marathon first though.
It's an open set up here are the roles

2 Mafia Goons
7 Vengeful Townies

Instead of the townie posting who they vengekill in the thread, they pm the mod at night and the venge night kill someone. Also they always get their vengekill if they are lynched. But people who are night killed do not get a vengekill.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty's Double Doc
2 Goons

2 Docs
3 Townies

Docs can't protect each other.

[drmyshottyizsik]

It's like RAF..... But with factions

[drmyshottyizsik]

.... MIS REP! LOOK I SAID DOCS!

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty's Double Doc
2 Goons

2 Docs
3 Townies

Docs can't protect each other.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty's Double Doc
2 Goons

2 Docs
3 Townies

Docs can't protect each other.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty's Doc or Cop Mafia

1 Doctor
1 Cop
5 Townies

2 Goons


Ok so if the Doctor protects the Cop the cop is unable to use his investigation ability, but he can not die that night.

[drmyshottyizsik]

The problem with a jailkeeper(Trust me I thought of this), is that then they could jailkeep the mafia, and I don't want that. It would over power town.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Hmmmmm... timid works!
I was trying to come up with a name too, but couldn't really think of one.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Follow The Doc or Not

1 Doctor
1 Jail Keeper
5 Townies

1 Goon
1 Jailbreaking Goon

[drmyshottyizsik]

Follow The Doc or Not

1 Doctor
1 Jail Keeper
5 Townies

1 Goon
1 Jailbreaking Goon

[drmyshottyizsik]

Any thoughts on my game?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Frozen Flame Mafia

5 Fire Townies
5 Ice Townies

1 SK

2 Fire Goons

2 Ice Goons

Notes

So this is semi-similar to fire and ice mafia, but here's how it works.
Each day someone is lynched, just like in normal mafia.
At night, both mafia factions select someone to kill. If the person the select is of the opposite Elemental faction that they are, the NK happens, other wise, for instance if a fire goon targets a fire townie, then no one dies.
The SK kills no matter what.
The town win together, no matter what element they are, but the mafia each have separate win cons.
The fire mafia wins when the ice townies, the ice goons, and the sk are dead.
The ice mafia wins when the fire townies, the fire goons, and the sk are dead.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty, pink doesn't show up at all on sepia. I was about to ask you where the ice goons were...

Fixed

[drmyshottyizsik]

Clean Up, Aisle Three...(Revised)

1 Janitor
1 Goon

2 Werewolves

1 Doctor
1 HR rep
1 Jailkeeper
6 Townies

An HR rep checks out one person at night. If they target the Janitor they get a positive other wise the get a negative result. I felt that the mafia was a bit more powerful than both the Werewolves and the town. I feel this evens things out nicely.

[drmyshottyizsik]

thoughts?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm fine with janitors so long as their targets ALIGNMENT flip.

they would

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok so I have done a lot of thinking about games I have played and I came up with this! It's not finished but I would really like you guys's input on it.

Power Roles are US

Town

1 Role cop jail keeper
2 Masons
2 Doctors
1 One-shot Vig
2 Lovers
5 Townies

3rd Party

1 One Bullet Proof, Unjailkeepable, Investigation Immune, Unroleblockable, Janitorial Serial Killer

Mafia

1 Janitor
1 Back Up Janitor
1 Bullet Proof RoleBlocker

All Janitorial Roles' targets alinement's flip.

Yes there are a lot of confirmables, but with two NKs mass claiming day one is dumb, and after night one, since there are two Janitor kills that happen, a mass claim is pointless because the mafia and SK can just claim using the roles they killed the night before. If the SK is targeted by the role cop then the role cop will get back the role of one of the SK's targets.

Fastest Mafia Win!

13:3:1(Night Zero)
8:3:1(Day One:Town Lovers were lynched, SK and Mafia target town at night and one-shot vig targets town.)
5:3:1(Day Two:Town was lynched, SK and mafia target town at night.)
2:3:1(Day Three:Town was lynched, SK and mafia target town at night)
0:3:1(Day Four:Town was lynched, SK or mafia target town at night.

Mafia Win

)
1:3:0(Day Four:SK was Lynched, Mafia target town at night.

Mafia Win

)

Fastest Town Win!

13:3:1(Night Zero)
13:0:1(Day One: Bullet Proof RoleBlocker was lynched, Sk targets Mafia and One Shot Vig targets Mafia)
13:0:0(Day Two: SK was lynched,

Town Win

)

Fastest SK Win!

13:3:1(Night Zero)
8:3:1(Day One:Town Lovers were lynched, SK and Mafia target town at night and one-shot vig targets town.)
5:3:1(Day Two:Town was lynched, SK and Mafia target town at night.)
3:2:1(Day Three:Town was lynched, SK targeted Mafia, and Mafia targeted town.)
1:1:1(Day Four:Mafia lynched, SK targeted Mafia, and Mafia Targeted town.)
0:0:1(Day Five:Anything other than the SK is lynched, SK kills remaining person.

SK Win

)

[drmyshottyizsik]

So you're giving a serial killer every single immunity?
A Role Cops quite powerful, though.
So could the role cop / jailer do both actions at same time?
I think I find the setup fine anyways.

Yes he does both at the same time.
And the SK has to be immune to everything but lynches in this set up or else he will surely die fast.

[drmyshottyizsik]

They do.

[drmyshottyizsik]

EXACTLY.
I spent a long time balancing this game.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@Hero- Yes
@ Plague- No each night he can on;y take one bullet, so if the one shot vig and the mafia both target him then he will die.