[REVIEW] Open Setup Reviews

[Gypyx]

hmm...

feels townsided

an interesting consequence is that MiLo isn't actually risking town to lose

[Gypyx]

well, this feels like double day kinda actually

and i checked the ratio town / scum for this setup (13:3) so i'd advise a few more town?

[Gypyx]

my initial gut was wrong

[Gypyx]

basically, normal vengeful but vengekilled town get a vengekill

[Gypyx]

tbh, the kind of peoples that would play 30+ players game probably isn't the kind that would wanna play a quasi-mountaineous

[Gypyx]

ah well, if it really is then i'll trust your call

[Gypyx]

hey, wanted to run that sometime soon in the Micro Queue so does that feel balanced to y'all? (yeah this is probably a pretty different way to play the game, but imo it's still mafia, kinda, idk i like the original game and wanted to see how it would be like there)

Mindnight : forum edition

4 Agents
1 Admin

2 hackers
1 scriptie

The Admin is aware of who are the members of the hacker team, but not what are their roles (pls wait before saying this is outrageous you'll see)

The hackers have a PT in which they may talk at any time, they don't know who's the scriptie and he doesn't know who they are

instead of voting to execute peoples, the players take turn suggesting and voting for a team to send for "node maintenances", players propose teams in order of the playerlist, they may skip their turns, and upon thee 5th refused node team, the hackers immediatly win

once a node team has been approved by majority, the game enters a 24h "night" phase where all of the members of the node team must choose to either

hack

it, or

secure

it, a single hack makes the node mission fail

There are 5 nodes in total, having the following sizes in that order :
1st node : 2 players 2nd : 3 players 3rd : 4 players 4th : 3 players 5th : 4 players

the first team to gain control of 3 nodes wins, if the agents win, the hackers get one last chance, they are all revealed to each other, and may try to nuke one player, if the nuked player is the Admin, victory goes to the hackers instead

[Gypyx]

oh yeah it's cleaner like that, thanks

seems balanced otherwise?

[Gypyx]

hmmm, alright, haven't heard of it named like that's cool though

i'll consider running it soon then, what's avalon?

[Gypyx]

i'll think about that then

[Gypyx]

exCUSE me but isn't it just a complete copy of this game @gypyx

nope other way around

[Gypyx]

mafia getting exed first sounds really harsh

[Gypyx]

that seems good to me

(not confident, would like other people's opinion)

[Gypyx]

4:2 nightless with an ic that dies at 4 players left maybe?

[Gypyx]

2:4 nightless, scum wins at two town left, if all executions are town, the last executed player may try to guess the scumteam for the win

random idea, how would it be?

[Gypyx]

original crossfire had only the first hammer resolve, no simultaneous stuff

[Gypyx]

^Agreed. EV is a bad metric for nightless vengeful but I'd probably want 35-45%.

original crossfire had only the first hammer resolve, no simultaneous stuff

Votes are not reset after an elim occurs (so combo elims can occur if someone else was on L-1 with the person who was eliminated not voting for that person).

i mean yes but like, imagine this scenario :

player 1 (2) player 2 ; 3
player 2 (2) player 3 ; 4
player 3/4/5/6 (0)

if player 6 posts

VOTE: player 2
VOTE: player 1

player 1 wouldn't get hammered as player 2's vote goes away

[Gypyx]

public cop sounds really broken for town no? like, it will always have better/equal value that every other setup with a base value of 2 alignement confirmed players(cop claim + whoever they target N1) unless the rolestopper manages to be on point with his stops, which idk, maybe i'm underestimating scum players here

Meanwhile one of the main props of masons is pretty much not here (communication, assuming i correctly supposed that this is a marathon setup, it's gonna be hard for them to communication, even more when the whole game will revolve around scum hunting for them) and even if you consider the setup as basically double IC scum has quite some wiggle room

i'm otherwise bad at evaluating vig but i think it's roughly at the same level as 2 masons? which is good if that's what you aimed for

[Gypyx]

you really like this mason guessing idea huh

[Gypyx]

Is this just nightless mountanious or was there supposed to be more stuff to the setup?

[Gypyx]

i mean, getting hard bussed goes against your wincon, but it doesn't go against the busser's wincon, i agree that it could create toxic game patterns