Shanba wrote:"Stupid religion" does come into it, though. You can't ride roughshod over someone's beliefs just because you don't share them. Hell, they might be right, and you might be wrong. It's similar to why you wouldn't call a Greek Cypriot a stupid fucking Turk: you know it's going to offend them and you're going out of your way to
be
offensive.
Well, when I said 'stupid religion' I meant the everything that comes with religion. I wasn't calling one particular religion stupid, just the amount of offense people take to the smallest thing. The thing I was calling stupid isn't the belief itself but the lynchmob nature of them. Name one other thing that could cause death threats and riots because of a cartoon?
Calling him a cow is different, in this case, because of the context (which is also what makes teasing him about possibly being gay offensive). The cow joke is a long running joke established throughout the site/scumchat and anyway, cow is not an insult that is particularly offensive.
Well, consider no humans are actually cows... And some humans are actually gay... And being gay isn't a bad thing. I would 100% prefer to be called gay to being called a cow. (Although neither would offend me.)
The entire way of looking at this, that gay = bad and cow = meh... That's offensive. Being called gay might mean you are funny, have good taste, can dance, are tidy, etc... Based on the stereotype, people can joke about people being gay and it be a compliment. (Although granted, most gay people I know don't actually fit into the sterotype.)
And yeah, cow is a long established joke but when it was originally made it was more an insult to a state. (Insulting people's homestate = offensive to some.)
I don't see why everyone is making a big deal over this when titles sometimes are negative things.
If I nominated you for the title "Stupid Fucking Cuntweasel" then the negativity might be just slightly too much, don't you think?
That's one hell of an extreme you are going to there. But I can just say no and not be bothered. That wouldn't get passed because of the profanity anyway. I'm not going to get upset over something like that, there's no reason to.
Religion is a touchy business - it claims to be the ultimate answer and some people believe that.
Pffft. No scientist would take an evolution joke as a reason to put someone on a deathlist.
Whether they are right or not is irrelevant
That's true. My religious beliefs are irrelevant. It doesn't matter if I believe a pink elephant orbiting the universe would take offense to me going to a zoo... If I believe that, then whether I'm right or not shouldn't affect how a title request is viewed.
But that also works the other way. Just because I believe in my pink elephant, it doesn't mean that any title request about not going to zoos should be slammed, just because it's against my religion.
it's whether their beliefs have a right to be respected
Well I'm not intending to turn this thread into a religious debate, I could try and convince people that their religion is wrong, I don't do it... That is about the most respect I'll give a belief. I don't even name all the bad things religions have done.
But hell, if someone makes a suggestion that is based on something valid but is exaggerated for comedic effect, that suggestion shouldn't cause the reaction it has. The suggestion is within the rules and those rules are the only thing that defines what is ok and what isn't.
People can believe whatever the hell they want to believe as long as nothing changes because of it.
At any rate, going out of your way to offend them is not the answer.
I actually wasn't going out of my way to offend anyone. I may have been unclear with the "stupid religion" comment, which I have hopefully clarified. But that's the only thing that I think could be considered offensive.
Especially when this all started because the suggestion "doesn't want to be gay despite his repressed feelings" was made into a funny title. It has a bit of truth to it so can be considered valid. I don't think religion has to come into it. I don't see why religious views are treated as a set of moral views with the added benefit of acting as a shield.
If my religion said all people with the letter "A" in their name were descended from whores, would my religion protect me from being held accountable?
What the hell makes religion so special anyway? There's no way I think I should pussyfoot around something because circular logic is believed by a lot of people. In mafia games we deal with circular logic all the time, I didn't expect many people to actually be religious when all day they see logic exactly like they believe being taken apart so easily.
They should be used to it by now... And no matter how offensive I am seen as being, I am holding back. I'm pussyfooting around it all anyway, just to be nice. And damn, it is taking most of my willpower.
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