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Post #67 (isolation #4) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:27 pm
Postby Amihan »
On my home site we lynched the mod and it caused them to expose a random player. I know most games here aren't like that but this one seems sillier than most, and the mod counted my vote unlike the norm so I think there's a fair chance going for it could help no matter what.
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Post #73 (isolation #6) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:38 pm
Postby Amihan »
If it's not counted as a no lynch, we should at the very least try it. If nothing happens then you all can laugh at me, but until then just work with me here.
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Post #82 (isolation #7) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:58 pm
Postby Amihan »
In post 74, Heat wrote:can you at least answer my question?
In post 69, Heat wrote:Cool, that's not gonna happen
Thoughts on your wagon?
I think it's really opportunistic when if I were actually scum this would be the single dumbest thing to do. I've seen how this site treats people who try to think out of the box; as scum blending in is always your best option.
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Post #84 (isolation #8) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:58 pm
Postby Amihan »
In post 75, RadiantCowbells wrote:RadiantCowbells would be very unhappy if he got lynched because he's been obviously mushroom kingdom aligned this entire game.
Would lynching "RadiantCowbells" count as a no lynch and end the day?
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Post #87 (isolation #10) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:02 pm
Postby Amihan »
I've been entirely serious this entire game, but it seems that because I'm neither 1, playing within the parameters you're comfortable with, or 2, trying and failing to be funny (see: Firebringer), that this wagon is happening.
But that's fine. If that's how you all want to play I'd rather leave sooner than later anyway.
In post 75, RadiantCowbells wrote:RadiantCowbells would be very unhappy if he got lynched because he's been obviously mushroom kingdom aligned this entire game.
Would lynching "RadiantCowbells" count as a no lynch and end the day?
no.
Okay, thank you.
I'm going to say it again:
please at least humor me here and lynch the mod.
With how many people are here it shouldn't take more than an hour.
If nothing happens, you can laugh at me and go back to voting me - preferably someone else, but I'm going to accept that it might be me.
If the mod releases some kind of help or power, I promise not to say "I told you so".
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Post #102 (isolation #13) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:15 pm
Postby Amihan »
In post 98, lilith2013 wrote:I'd lean towards something bad happening because of it.
Could you provide a reasonable example?
Theoretically, the mod's function is to hold information. The way the logic played out in my past experience was that lynching the mod would weaken that and release some information. Mind you, this wasn't our reasoning in lynching him (we did so because "lol why not"), but that was the mod's logic in choosing
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Post #109 (isolation #14) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:18 pm
Postby Amihan »
In post 101, Heat wrote:The point is, we're in a blitz game, and "lynching the mod" is not going to have an effect, and will waste what precious time we have.
We have 3 days, 2 hours, 43 minutes.
With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch.
5 players have posted in the last 25 minutes. Xtoxm posted an hour ago.
There is nothing to be lost here. I strongly, strongly encourage that you all just trust me here.
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Post #174 (isolation #18) » Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:18 am
Postby Amihan »
In post 169, lilith2013 wrote:I want to hear if ami has some kind of evidence related to her role (which I think she hinted at) leading her to believe this.
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Post #181 (isolation #19) » Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:27 am
Postby Amihan »
After a quick Google search... he literally just took the words right off of a wiki page......
UNVOTE:
Well then. Sorry I've been so useless here.
At least this whole ordeal has provided for some decent reaction and stance analysis - knowing that Frozen Angel wasn't actually in the same boat as me. If she were scum knowing me to be a distracting town player and potential town lynch, I definitely could see her fake-sounding mod lynch queries on the last page as a form of white-knighting me. As town, I don't think she would post all of that while still voting me either. It makes more sense for scum to stay on the easy wagon while faking consideration of what everyone else thought was insane.
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Post #222 (isolation #20) » Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:36 am
Postby Amihan »
I don't like Xtoxm's contribution this game. As a whole it seems like he's just content to go with the general consensus of where people are willing to look for scum. He first votes Lilith agreeing with others' votes. I get wagoned for thinking out of the box, he agrees that I'm scummy but refrains from voting me (as scum, avoiding a quickwagon on town is a good move) and disappears while the argument escalates. Then Heat is pressured, and he again suddenly has an opinion that reflects the norm on the wagon gaining the most traction.
VOTE: Xtoxm
I still think FA is scummy for pretending to consider whether my "lynch the mod" idea could hold merit. Originally I thought she might have been seeing the same thing as was in my role, but now in hindsight it feels really out of place and fake.
URGENT. Just saw, I thought we had like 4 hours left.
I really really don't want a no lynch, but I think we can swing an Xtoxm lynch. My original reasons still stand as the whole game it's like he's just been going with the flow, popping in and out without becoming a distinct personality or committing any significant opinions.
I would lynch any of these, but the problem is I've been so busy the past two days that I have no idea where the support is.
Ranger is almost as preferable as Xtoxm; I hated Jackal's play and thought Ranger's read on me was too... easy. As in it felt less like an actual read and more like pigeonholing my tier placement for future use.
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Post #455 (isolation #26) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:38 am
Postby Amihan »
Can you two make up and vote Ranger? This is probably the best chance we have at hitting scum. Scumreading both players in the same slot is a good sign.
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Post #458 (isolation #28) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:43 am
Postby Amihan »
I just talked about Ranger - her reads do not feel genuine but rather like she arranged them at will. I also don't think it's that likely she read the whole game and kept her read on me constantly top scum throughout. The only thing to mildly alter that scumread wasn't even based on my play (which changed significantly when I discovered my error) but based on others voting me.
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Post #536 (isolation #31) » Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:17 pm
Postby Amihan »
I think we should limit our focuses today to people who were voting the Mason up to L-1. Not because that's scummy, but because it'll result in a lower chance of wagoning another Mason in case scum can't tell already who they are.
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Post #656 (isolation #37) » Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:12 pm
Postby Amihan »
You guys, I really really think Fragger is town. BlueTrin starting to lean more null or town, not sure. Will go into full read detail when I return in full.
UNVOTE: because I don't remember if I was voting Xtoxm, but I'll be back and off V/LA tonight or tomorrow morning.
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Post #783 (isolation #42) » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:44 am
Postby Amihan »
Also I knew Flubber was the Mason (I was going to make the argument yesterday that I could have killed him over Night 1 if I was scum, but it would've probably been anti-town) but it looks like scum did too...
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Post #926 (isolation #45) » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:19 am
Postby Amihan »
I refuse to claim my role at this point, or say to what extent my Aristo information is binding as that reveals its strength.
But I will point out that me bringing this up prior to any indication of the other guilty proves this isn't just something affected by that. At this moment, the other guilty has already been claimed. Having me fullclaim is extremely anti-town as it gives scum more information on how to align their kill and any actions they might have.
In short this one guilty is strong enough: flavor is indicative of alignment, and Bob-omb is a Mario enemy. My role and all other town roles I've seen are not.
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Post #928 (isolation #46) » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:23 am
Postby Amihan »
In post 926, Amihan wrote:I refuse to claim my role at this point, or say to what extent my Aristo information is binding as that reveals its strength.
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Post #934 (isolation #47) » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:36 am
Postby Amihan »
In post 930, Frozen Angel wrote:You need to answer this right now. You claimed a guilty and you want to stay mysterious about it. how should I think ?
You should think about whether you believe Fire Starter's guilty or not. It's equivalent to a cop guilty in this setup.
If it makes it any easier for you, pretend I didn't even claim at all. Because I will not be giving scum any more help with their action choices today.
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Post #938 (isolation #48) » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:41 am
Postby Amihan »
Me claiming serves no practical purpose for town other than satisfying curiosity, whereas for scum it helps them decide after the Aristo lynch who to kill, roleblock, re-direct, or whatever actions they have.
You can't give credibility to Fire's guilty and still want more unnecessary information from me, because Fire's guilty is already conclusive on its own.
or say to what extent my Aristo information is binding as that reveals its strength.
And me revealing the "strength" of my guilty will not help you determine if this was pre-planned.
Instead, look at the posts around where we both voted Aristo. There would be no reason for me to softclaim a guilty, then him to post a full explanation of his guilty before I could clarify. If we were scum, these actions would chain us together unnecessarily, when instead we could have just planned for Fire to claim the incriminating flavor cop action so that if he was lynched as scum, it wouldn't immediately point to me being a partner.
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Post #956 (isolation #51) » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:56 am
Postby Amihan »
In post 945, Aristophanes wrote:Let's nolynch today, I'll blow up FS at night, and when it is revealed that I am town and FS is scum, you can all convene in the day and lynch Ami for this noncommittal shit.
LOL. This is the most scummy thing ever. If you're scum, blowing something up along with a scumkill will bring us into LYLO, and if you don't blow something up a scumkill brings us to LYLO with this same discussion to take place.
No. We are lynching you today.
FA being either stubborn town who won't take a second to think it through, or your scumpartner, doesn't change that.
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Post #961 (isolation #52) » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:01 am
Postby Amihan »
FA, if you're town, we can have it all: two confirmed town going into Night with scum uncertain of which one poses more of a threat to them.
If I claim, sure maybe you'll give in and we can lynch Aristoscum, but then we run the risk of both of our roles (me and Fire) being useless as scum will know how to work around both of them at once.
Fire's standing claim should be enough to give you a choice between him and Aristo. In any other situation without me hinting at my role, it's an easy choice, but for some reason you're just not taking a second to look at them independent of me.
And if I was scum with Fire, we could have easily won it all without having me claim. It's the same thing as how as scum I wouldn't have drawn so many votes and attention to myself unnecessarily on Day 1.
In post 966, Fire Starter wrote:To diffuse any possibility of us both being scum pulling off an elaborate plan, do you see anyone else claiming? We are the PRs, and probably the most powerful. Do you guys think Ami and I are partners after everything that has happened? No way. I don't know Ami's alignment, but I have a guilty and that's what we need to focus on.
Also, FA, why does one of me and Ari have to be scum? I don't follow.
Pedit: perfect timing again.
One of us is scum because you say I'm Bob-omb and I say I'm Bombette.
If you are scum Flavour Cop, you got my role and spun it to something believable yet scummy.
If I am scum, I am fakeclaiming.
But that we disagree is the issue.
And nice job pushing yourself as "the for sure PRs" even though Ami is being cryptic and you are lying.
That's actually a really good move to sway people towards supporting your scummy self!
Oh I didn't know you actually claimed Bombette.
Claiming it after Fire revealed you were Bob-omb is super suspicious even if I didn't already have reason to think you're scum.
Also,
why would scum have a flavor cop?
That gives them no utility since they don't need to find out alignments and flavors this game rarely hint at specific powers, whereas a role cop would actually be of use to them. When flavor is indicative of alignment, a flavor cop being town is by far the most logical explanation, and you've confirmed he's a flavor cop.
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Post #984 (isolation #57) » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:46 am
Postby Amihan »
I literally just linked the wiki for how Jailkeeper is used here: "Some Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night. This variant is also known as Alien." That's a rare variant, not actually a jailkeeper.
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Post #987 (isolation #58) » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:51 am
Postby Amihan »
Just did a quick search and in this Normal game, Aristo played with a Jailkeeper, was already informed that what he thought a Jailkeeper did was just a variant that was uncommon here:
In post 1102, Aristophanes wrote:Makes me think DK may have been a jailer who can kill their target at the end of the night, jailed Lapsa, and decided to kill him, getting shot by scum himself. I have seen this variant quite a few times.
No.
Informed is not a normal role, as far as I know. Thus I am the non-normal role. mini games can only have up to one non-normal role.
In post 1840, Aristophanes wrote:DK, you were a jailkeeper who could kill one of his jailed people, yes?
I'm mostly asking because I totally called that and was told it just simply couldn't be ( by PK I think).
Also, I would have continued to tunnel you into the ground had you lived. I'm sad we lost the PR but it simplifie D2 a lot and got us going on the right track.
No, a jailkeeper cannot kill.
Don't worry, "I would have continued to tunnel you into the ground", too.
In post 1840, Aristophanes wrote:DK, you were a jailkeeper who could kill one of his jailed people, yes?
I'm mostly asking because I totally called that and was told it just simply couldn't be ( by PK I think).
Also, I would have continued to tunnel you into the ground had you lived. I'm sad we lost the PR but it simplifie D2 a lot and got us going on the right track.
That variant, as far as I know, is only on sc2mafia.
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Post #989 (isolation #59) » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:54 am
Postby Amihan »
I did a quick search of RadiantCowbells' games he's modded, and while he hasn't had a Jailkeeper in one of them, he's usually stuck to the normal versions of roles, and has played with the normal version of jailkeeper. There is no precedent for RadiantCowbells deciding to use a role variant like that rather than a normal role with potential modifiers.