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In post 25, Spigot wrote:Hey man! Looking forward to playing with you again.
Buddying.
VOTE: Spigot
Town because I would go after the same thing if I didn't already know this slot was town.
Ranger is also town.
VOTE: Anxiety Attack
~Spiffy (I will always sign my posts)
What you did is not technically buddying. However, you immediately townreading Umlat for that looks a lot closer to buddying. Why the townread on Ranger? Ranger kind of did a similar play to that in the last game she played but I wouldn't call it town so much as typical but I haven't seen a scumgame of hers and maybe ika can help with that.
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Post #89 (isolation #7) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:37 am
Postby Anxiety Attack »
58 is gross, can see Kaboose as scum here. He's spending a lot of time defending himself early on. I'm not going to add a vote here with such a large wagon already though.
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Post #92 (isolation #8) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:40 am
Postby Anxiety Attack »
AI's behavior around the wagon is weird but I also find it weird how Kaboose is defending the votes on him in a way? Both these behaviors are strange but I dislike Spigot's post more, and would like to interact with them more. I've played with Spiffeh before so he should talk to me.
All caught up, I'll try to stay current from here on out if I can.
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Post #99 (isolation #9) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:44 am
Postby Anxiety Attack »
Kaboose why are you pushing the I get wagoned early and am o.k. with it angle so much? Where is the scumhunting value here? Help me out with your thought process.
~SW
pedit Spiffeh, What is fake about my posts? Why is Yakko scum?
I don't really like your posts this game so far...................
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Post #103 (isolation #10) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:50 am
Postby Anxiety Attack »
In post 97, Kaboose wrote:I've been called scum for being defensive and I'm at L2, my bad everyone. I guess I'll just assume you all are pulling my leg and 5 people don't want me lynched..
Wut? You do realize not every vote is "lynch now please" right?
In post 84, Anxiety Attack wrote:What you did is not technically buddying. However, you immediately townreading Umlat for that looks a lot closer to buddying. Why the townread on Ranger? Ranger kind of did a similar play to that in the last game she played but I wouldn't call it town so much as typical but I haven't seen a scumgame of hers and maybe ika can help with that.
Our first post in this thread was pignash, the rest have been me. I don't really care if me townreading Umlat looks like buddying because I outlined my reasons for the read. Why didn't you analyze the reason I provided instead of ignoring them and labeling it buddying?
I was townreading Ranger because her reads list seemed to invite a lot of discussion around it and I find not explaining a reads list like that pretty "I don't care what you think" which isn't scum behavior. Yeah it's pretty weak but it's there.
Your reason for the townread looked weak to me and kind of appeasy but in the beginning, got to push something so I get that. I am going to meta Ranger some. She did a reads list like that in this game off of RVS only http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=64575 so I'll see if she normally does that or ask ika about her scumgame.
In post 85, Anxiety Attack wrote:Yakko looks town so far. Not sure on pisskop but I've played with him enough I should be able to figure it out relatively quickly.
~SW
Why Yakko town?
Just got out of a game with Yakko where he was pretty town. 40 kind of looked like a townish response to trying to push discussion. Is this the post you are talking about in 113?
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Post #171 (isolation #18) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:30 pm
Postby Anxiety Attack »
Yakko, Can you link me to your last scum game or a couple scum games? While you came off as town at first, you still seem a little different from when you were under pressure in the last game and I strongly townread you for it.
I can find them myself but it'd be great if you could link them. Thanks
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Post #183 (isolation #19) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:44 pm
Postby Anxiety Attack »
In post 182, SilverWolf wrote:I'm not sure about pisskop town. I usually can tell when he's town and I haven't gotten that yet this game.
Just as an FYI I will be extremely busy on the 24th and 25th w/family stuff. ika works all day tomorrow as well-he is gonna try to post but I don't know how much I'll be able to.
~SW
Ha, there isn't a single hydra game I've played I haven't done this at least once.
I got a cute guy last night, pretty good. Vote bebop he's scum.
Let me talk to my better half, shes in charge of votes on day 1. I can change it if deadline needed but i dont wan tto have a wolf attacking me later for vote hopping
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Post #281 (isolation #26) » Fri Dec 25, 2015 4:39 pm
Postby Anxiety Attack »
In post 280, Lowell wrote:I still don't see the yakko wagon at all. But I'm liking the AA vote. They seem to be stalling. I'd prefer spigot or AA today.
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Post #283 (isolation #27) » Fri Dec 25, 2015 4:49 pm
Postby Anxiety Attack »
In post 282, Lowell wrote:Serious? I see a wall of posts from you that say nothing. Why not contribute if you're online?
Becasue today is xmas and i have been on and off all day? Silver has also been away so we haev not synced up. When we make our contents we do it as one.
If you wan tindivual stuff like right now ask me and i can answer. otherwise i am waiting on silver for full sync.
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Post #375 (isolation #31) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:08 am
Postby Anxiety Attack »
In post 333, ika wrote:Ai is scum also I'm willing to do black or ai today.
In post 334, ika wrote:The direnossance between 306 and 307 is also a great reason that black should die today.
Hi, catching these for ika (he can't get into hydra while at work) also happy w Blackstar vote after ISOing him. Catching up quick but Spiffeh-yakko is a townread for me because he reminds me of a game we just got out of where he was town.
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Post #451 (isolation #32) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:48 am
Postby Anxiety Attack »
I'm not a big fan of lynching inactives. They are low info. lynches that tell us nothing and almost every singe time I've lynched a lurker, they turn out to be town. I also don't like flash wagoning people close to deadline for the same reason. If Blackstar is town, we analyze the wagon next day and figure out the scum pushing it.
I really hate the way AI is forcing us to a NL situation and I don't like most of his wishy washy posting this game. His wagon avoidance behavior is scummy and similar to how I've behaved as scum before trying to avoid VCA.
Blackstar, if you are town, the best thing you can do is give some reads on the other players in the game that will help us D2.
Deadline is near and a NL on D1 is something only scum benefit from.
In post 451, Anxiety Attack wrote:I'm not a big fan of lynching inactives. They are low info. lynches that tell us nothing and almost every singe time I've lynched a lurker, they turn out to be town. I also don't like flash wagoning people close to deadline for the same reason. If Blackstar is town, we analyze the wagon next day and figure out the scum pushing it.
Nonsense. They tell a lot about how players interact.
I really hate the way AI is forcing us to a NL situation and I don't like most of his wishy washy posting this game.
I am not "forcing" any NL.
His wagon avoidance behavior is scummy and similar to how I've behaved as scum before trying to avoid VCA.
Hey, guess what? I am not you.
If you expect to lynch a townie, and only continue to lynch them because you think it will offer "information", then you are
doing it wrong
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My problem with you is your behavior around a lot of the large wagons this game is off. Kaboose wagon, Yakko wagon, Blackstar wagon. It's scummy. Period.
Yes, you do force a NL when we are this close to deadline and you start trying to lynch a lurker. And guess what? I find that scummy as well.
Info. lynches on people that have had lots of interactions and votes that are not rushed with speedwagon quickness at deadline are perfectly acceptable and better than lynching a lurker with 2 posts. I also don't like how sure you are that Blackstar is town.
Blackstar's reads are off because it's just a list with no real good reasons. I mean, I know I asked for reads but at least some explanation, if only a minor sentence with each one would be helpful rn.
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Post #493 (isolation #35) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:43 am
Postby Anxiety Attack »
OK, I'm tired as hell rn and need to go look through Spigot's ISO and this Kaboose wagon stuff Ranger is going on about. I voted for a cw on Kaboose and voted for pisskop? Unless ika did that and I forgot, I don't even recall that. Anyway, Ranger looks fairly town for the above analysis. I just think Kaboose is weird as hell (no offense) and def have him in unsorted rn so I have to reread. WTF was up w that hammer anyway?
ika talked to me about the lurker lynch stuff on D1 and I get that point of why that was pushed so I don't consider that in particular a scum push from AI. I do have other issues with AI, I need to relook at. I think searching for any sort of associatives is where I will start and will try to get to that when I've waken up a bit as mind is fuzzy rn.
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Post #540 (isolation #37) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:56 am
Postby Anxiety Attack »
In post 538, Lowell wrote:Reading through again with spigot as scum I have some thoughts.
Both Ranger and Yakko put pressure on spigot during the day at various points. spigot seemed to actively engage with yakko but basically ignored ranger. Not sure what to make of this. I have townreads on both but I now wouldn't be surprised if one of them NKed him. Fully acknowledge that that's WIFOMy as all hell-- but did want to point out spigot's different reactions to different players attacking him.
The interaction with AA in the first couple of pages (in hindsight) looks just a little... too cutesy. The crossvote, the chatter. Looks like scumbuddies having a little fun. Could be a little too easy, but it reads as AA being on a team with spigot.
Spiffeh and I have played together a lot and we were trying to sort each other. I voted for him because he was off in the beginning of the game from what I've seen from him as town. I kept my vote there a good part of the day because his interactions with me felt off from his towngame plus I didn't care for Pignash's contributions as they seemed pretty tame. Then the Blackstar wagon happened and I'm still going to ISO that wagon now that he has flipped town and also look at Spigot associations to try to figure out who a partner could be there.
I've been super busy all day and so has ika and I'm waiting to sync up with him on some stuff in regards to this game. I also want to relook at you because I've noticed you've been voting us or casting shade on us for most of the game for really bad reasons.
For example, you start with a vote because there are two of us which is stupid as hell, then you change it to you think we are Spigot partners when it is plainly obvious we are not.
If you want to vote us, lay out a case and take a stand on it instead of beating around the bush and pussyfooting around.
More later. I'm in a shit mood rn and don't want to post in this state of mind.
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Post #561 (isolation #42) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:38 am
Postby Anxiety Attack »
I have a gut scumread on toejam. His vote on Kaboose was opportunistic and bad plus he comes off as scum avoiding the thread and only putting prod doge type of posts here. He's not interacting w anyone or scumhunting.
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Post #572 (isolation #46) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:52 am
Postby Anxiety Attack »
In post 566, Anxiety Attack wrote:pisskop why are you being bad like this? what makes you think its so easy?
like EOD yesterday ppl were all ready to basiclyflash lynch his ass and now everyone doesnt? what give
pedit: I LOVE YOU SW
Love you too ika.
I agree w weak scumread on AI. I outlined the prob I had w him yesterday. BeBoop could also be scum flying UTR but is replacing so we'll see. Def. scumread on toejam.
pisskop isn't usually this tryhard as town but I still have a townlean on him and Yakko.
Lowell is kind of null rn
Ranger and davesaz look ok for now and Kaboose I have no clue as I've seen zero scumhunting from him but his response to the hammer pressure doesn't look scummy.
In post 561, Anxiety Attack wrote:I have a gut scumread on toejam. His vote on Kaboose was opportunistic and bad plus he comes off as scum avoiding the thread and only putting prod doge type of posts here. He's not interacting w anyone or scumhunting.
~SW
This.
I agree with the 2nd part of this, but please explain the 1st.
Also note my question asked for reads, plural.
Pedit: A lurker lynch gives practically no information. Obviously good if it's on scum, not so good if it's not. But the worst part about a lurker lynch is that scum on the lynch don't have to give reasons which require any thought.
The more important part about my observation is that the worst thing to do is to make it quick, because then we're denied the day's deliberations outside the wagon.
Reads have been given. Any questions please ask. This is a blitz. So lynches are gonna be quicker. Like I said I have a gut scumread on him and we can all get our say first but I'm cool with him dying today. If he wants to give more input to prevent his lynch, I'm all for it.
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Post #577 (isolation #49) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:56 am
Postby Anxiety Attack »
I porb cant asnwer for silver 100% dave but i almost alwasy scum read lurkers as well on a gut based reason.
Epsicaly new players like this, if it was someone well knwon who had a baseline i could but how hes doign nothing is a lot like the 9:11 game where it was jsut poe and lynchign an inactive on day 2 for the win.
like if you were to go to choesn mafia where me and silver played, you will see that silver nailed wisdom on RVS based on nothing more the what is kidna jsut guts. so again, im not sivler but i trust her guts and when it pings her on anything im gonna follow it
HOLY PEDIT:
i agree with silvers reads for the most part
i kinda want to poke ranger a bit cus of setup but mastin isnt around
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Post #582 (isolation #51) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:08 am
Postby Anxiety Attack »
see this is why AI could be scum.....
like i give an argument that saying something is "too easy" is bad thinking to begin with and that you need to expand apoun it (like dave has done) but the endpoint is that scum is scum. we lynch it. we think hes scum so he gets lynched
trying to stop what looks "easy" is shit reasoning and i will shit on it all day
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Post #653 (isolation #53) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:30 am
Postby Anxiety Attack »
In post 652, tojam2 wrote:You obviously don't trust I'll answer questions, perhaps some of you ARE just trying to pull a quick one on me (because you're scum?), like some mentioned earlier.
Vote:Yakko
Pisskop's interrogation shows that Yakko is scum, question-dodging in some places, his comments show pressure - spelling mistakes and language - he also suggests/confirms a pr. - scum lean.
I haven't noticed pisskop make naked guesses as I've been away. - neutral.
Davesaz has been making intelligent comments at appropriate times, often picking up on things I haven't - like the naked guesses. - town lean.
Anxiety Attack has done similar things, although in large clusters. - neutral.
Who are the scum trying to pull a fast one on you? What are your reads on the other players you haven't mentioned?
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Post #654 (isolation #54) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:53 am
Postby Anxiety Attack »
Spigot ISO shows AI or Lowell likeliest Spigot partners. Yakko def not Spigot partner.
As far as the Blackstar wagon, BeeBop's (now FB) is prob the worst.
So scum is in toeJam, AI, Lowell, and BeeBop-obviously these aren't all scum and figuring out who of these 4 is scum and who is town will be something I will be working on. I've already pointed out why I don't like toejam and AI is still a scumread, Lowell and BeBoop-could go either way on these two.