Blitz 16: Blitz Greatest Idea Mafia(GAME OVER)

[Frozen Angel]

Reason: She's the only one I know well enough. Also glad to see you again, RC

oh you know RC and your not voting him?!

clearly scum this time !

VOTE: Almost50

[Frozen Angel]

I must mention this now. I got a modifier as well I'm Watchlisted means if an FBI agent check me, he will find me like and SK. but I promise I'm town and I have no killing abilities!

[Frozen Angel]

like an SK* ^

[Frozen Angel]

Nice move FA.

Thanks!

[Frozen Angel]

you must claim if its going to mess up with a town pr night action ...

if not I don't see a reason for it

[Frozen Angel]

Mental note that 2 people have modifiers to negate investigative. Anyone else?

At persivul, if you claim your modifier, does it hurt town? Because if not claiming had the potential to hurt town, and claiming doesn't, I'm wondering why you didn't just claim it

I figured people would freak out if I were first to do so. My luck lately.

why you thought people will *freak out* ?

[Frozen Angel]

lol

I can accept that as a reason for hesitation

[Frozen Angel]

Servivour

[Frozen Angel]

Servivour

[Frozen Angel]

Town role cop

[Frozen Angel]

hmmm that's a creepy question. my new role is fun as well and still town. don't like to hint what is it so I'm gonna shut up.

[Frozen Angel]

hmmm that's a creepy question. my new role is fun as well and still town. don't like to hint what is it so I'm gonna shut up.

[Frozen Angel]

I must mention this now. I got a modifier as well I'm Watchlisted means if an FBI agent check me, he will find me like and SK. but I promise I'm town and I have no killing abilities!

Why shouldn't I see this as "everyone is claiming negative utility let me sneak a fakeclaim in while nobody is looking"

because everyone got a modifier and thats my modifier. you prefered to see that when an assumable FBI Agent wasted 1 shot on me and I got lynched for no reason becuase of it?!

and who is every body else? I can only see Smithreen

[Frozen Angel]

ha?!

[Frozen Angel]

whats Nerfer?!

[Frozen Angel]

I siriously can't understand what your saying. I can't kill at night. yes ... if that's what your saying ...

[Frozen Angel]

I siriously can't understand what your saying. I can't kill at night. yes ... if that's what your saying ...

[Frozen Angel]

last time I rolled

1. Mafia Role Cop
2. Werewolf
3. Psychiatrist

and I went with town rolecop!

pedit : what?!!!

[Frozen Angel]

Mode changed your role?!!! that's somehow not possible... is it?

[Frozen Angel]

Wednesday this is a different kind of miller claim. its a modifier claim not the role so it can be on the real scums as well.

plus the only badies here are not mafia

[Frozen Angel]

FA's the kind of person who is highly liable to have chosen a scum role.

VOTE: FA

Let's start with this.

NOT AGAIN ... I chose town intentionally (even in my first deck) to show people! Hey people! I like town as well! This is mafia RC. stop this bullshit your carrying from game to game on me.

+ I couldn't choose scum at all in my second role ...

[Frozen Angel]

FA's the kind of person who is highly liable to have chosen a scum role.

Support for this?

apparently the figure I put in my wiki page showing I like playing scum - which is true - means I'm always scum for RC ...

[Frozen Angel]

dave he really discarded cult reader. its mod confirmed ...

[Frozen Angel]

I don't like the way your calling people (just ranger) definitely town wednesday

and I don't like when you call RC obviously scum. that guy is never obviously scum ....

[Frozen Angel]

I'm already scumreading FA.

That's not a good sign.

your scum here don't you?

[Frozen Angel]

Rc don't fake my attitude of responding . mine is original. that's how I'm react as myself. I'm feeling humiliated right now.

[Frozen Angel]

{Smithereens, Wednesday}

why?

[Frozen Angel]

I think they meant town Clairvoyant and town jailkeeper

[Frozen Angel]

lol yes we played some games with Almost50 in this board : http://board.us.ikariam.gameforge.com/b ... afia-game/

Why you think you can't read ma baka (Almost50 - its just easier to call him baka ) ? ...

@RC yes I'm kind of trying to change my playstyle ... and My Main Reason Is YOU.

I'm town in this game and at this point I'm highly suspecting as you being scum.

VOTE: RC

[Frozen Angel]

ok baka what are your reads on others? what do you think about the wagon on you?

[Frozen Angel]

ok baka what are your reads on others? what do you think about the wagon on you?

[Frozen Angel]

@FA: You also forgot to UNVOTE before voting RC. Go figure.

[Frozen Angel]

Also, I think I want to update my list.
{Smithereens, Wednesday, Frozen Angel}
{Flubbernugget,blackstar }
{lane0168, davesaz}
{Jackal711 - null}
{}
{Persivul, radiant cowbells, Starbuck -null}
{Almost50}

I'm almost willing to move BlackStar and lane up a tier, but I need a little more from them to be sure.

That is where I'm at. I don't think we are gonna get almost50 lynched today based on reading their entry post. Persivul seems like the type to just role over and die, cowbells maybe, I don't even know what a starbuck is...

For certain though I'll vote when necessary. And be my usual self until hanging time. I feel like I know something; it pertains to blackstar unsure whether to say it

Well actually I'm interested. why there is no Ranger in this list ...

[Frozen Angel]

no its wednesday edit of it ...

[Frozen Angel]

Well. this is wierd ...

and gonna be one of the most stupid beautiful scum slips like ever if its actually a slip ...

VOTE: Ranger

[Frozen Angel]

or he just joked ... well actually I can't accept even if he says so. I'm agreeing with insta lynching one of them which will confirm the other if turned out scum

[Frozen Angel]

FA has gone down on my list for saying the joke thing. They both recognized it was a joke and refused to accept even before ranger has posted.

I realized it might be a joke.

why should I beleive it was ... ?! it can be easily a scum slip

[Frozen Angel]

why you care so much about me voting Ranger.

I'm not voting you ...

[Frozen Angel]

But I like to pressure someone. why are you so upset about wagoning on Ranger?

pedit : I don't recall a game with him. just 1 blitz which I replaced out.

pedit : why is he town?

[Frozen Angel]

Get away from me with your disgusting paranoia. A possibility is not a probability.

hmmmm... Why is he town. I'm still waiting for answer. you claimed you know he is town. why is that?

[Frozen Angel]

what is your modifier wednesday. please claim it ...

[Frozen Angel]

You and persivul are saying it doesn't matter rangers alignment they need death. Such indications are made clear in your posts saying even if it was a joke they need death. You are asking to prove ranger is town and assuming he guilt when you have not even begun tonprove ranger is scum.

don't make me laugh , you never pressured anyone in this game before?

so tell me whats wrong with me voting him.

and claim your modifier right now

[Frozen Angel]

If its a lover or neighbor or something which relates you to Ranger its your last chance for claiming it ...

[Frozen Angel]

If its a lover or neighbor or something which relates you to Ranger its your last chance for claiming it ...

I've decided I'm confident ranger wont be lynched.

[Frozen Angel]

If its a lover or neighbor or something which relates you to Ranger its your last chance for claiming it ...

I considered those previously. Her panic suggests lover. Note however that

neither of those confirm the other as town

, so those don't explain the immediate town reads on each other. Town!Ranger would certainly not give a free pass to a neighbor or lover.

She's just playing like she wants ranger's death!

this is kind of creepy ...

[Frozen Angel]

there is no pregame investigation. there can be day investigation.


which she refused to claim her modifier...

I have no idea why she refuses to claim modifier ...

[Frozen Angel]

But ranger couldn't have data about wednesday so whole claiming mason is still suspicious ...

[Frozen Angel]

Getting ahead of yourself arent you? First you have to lynch ranger and then move onto me. Doing so preemptively might make people say you're "setting" "up" "lynches" although who might say that I have no clue.

start answering. what is your role modifier. and why your town reading ranger this damn hard?

[Frozen Angel]

that your not even wanna let us pressure him...

[Frozen Angel]

keep the pressure on this slot till ranger reaction.

No one dare to hammer till we figure this out

[Frozen Angel]

why your acting like 12 year old kids? whats wrong with wagoning ? why should I Town read ranger?

[Frozen Angel]

why your acting like 12 year old kids? whats wrong with wagoning ? why should I Town read ranger?

Why should you scum read her? You still havent said that or have you forgotten your whole thing with persivul is that ranger needs death irregardless of alignment.

I'm scum reading everyone unless I can move them up. Specially in this game. Why should I town read him?

[Frozen Angel]

Miller modifier has nothing to do with his alignment.

pedit: lol

[Frozen Angel]

I'm completly open. talk to me! why should I town read him ?

pedit: Its midnight here in paris! good night! and tomorrow I want a full and long post about why are you so blindly townreading Ranger!

Good night

[Frozen Angel]

yeah *yawn* its midnight!

pedit : yay! and *yawn* and bye!

[Frozen Angel]

UNVOTE: RC
VOTE: Ranger

I've seen Ranger as town, in a recent game. This doesn't read as his town game.

w8 how many votes are on Ranger ?

[Frozen Angel]

I'm town in this game and at this point I'm highly suspecting as you being scum.

VOTE: RC

Why

He is kind of scary here. He didn't start attacking or budding me. Its his usual thing as both scum and town.

[Frozen Angel]

@FA: You also forgot to UNVOTE before voting RC. Go figure.

Why the facepalm? If this was a rxn test I'm assuming it's over now

He is talking about an old memory. we had to unvote before voting in the other board .

[Frozen Angel]

the good night? lol

Flubb I'm kind of interested in a wednesday wagon. I just wanna see how Ranger will react to this whole slip thing...

[Frozen Angel]

no its 8 o'clock here ...

I'm never sleep after 7 am ...

[Frozen Angel]

@RC

the good night? lol

Flubb I'm kind of interested in a wednesday wagon. I just wanna see how Ranger will react to this whole slip thing...

Their was no slip.

Ok I like to make creepy cases to see how people will react. why shouldn't I ?

why your twon reading Ranger (for like 1000th time) ...

pedit : when did you start townreading him ?

[Frozen Angel]

Would you prefer I try to sort you today?

This is me.

Rc this is not only about me. your not playing like YOU.

what are your reads so far?

pedit: You went back and come forward and trying to let me sort people. You claimed he is town just based on his miller modifier. then there is a "mason" - slip or joke? - and your panic when there got 4 or 5 votes on that slot.

You NEVER explained why should we town read someone blindly. for all I know there can be 3 scum factions and nearly half of the players can be scum. you have info suggesting otherwise?

why should I blindly townread someone? why pressuring people is not townish? why Your sure it was a joke and he wasn't trying to frame you? why your not claiming your modifier - I still can't see a reason to not to if your town- ?

[Frozen Angel]

Ranger[4] - Persivul, Frozen Angel, lane0168, Jackal711
Wednesday_[3] - Smithereens, BlackStar, Flubbernugget
Almost50[2] - Ranger, davesaz
davesaz[1] - Starbuck
Frozen Angel[1] - Wednesday_
Persivul[1] - RadiantCowbells

Not voting: Almost50

this vote status is pinging me so hard. baka (almost50) is not voting , which I think its not unlike him as town based on our previous experiences. Rc voting persival for a gut feel . Wednsday voting me for OMGUS. Starbuck is on RVS I suppose. Ranger never stated why is he scumreading baka. dave is kind of vote parked to pressure. Smithreen is scumreading wednsday solo and I , Persival , lane and Jackle are suspicious about a relationship between Ranger and Wednsday . I'm not sure about Blackstar stanse here.

I like to see how is everyone looking at this status ^

[Frozen Angel]

@FA, are you so confident about the Link between Wednesday and the other guy that you're prepared to kill him...?

I'm testing waters. their interactions were so weird

[Frozen Angel]

wierd in the way she is dodging all the questions about her read ...

At this point in my view she is just to scummy to be scum ...

[Frozen Angel]

I'm townreading Wednesday above all others.

Why?

[Frozen Angel]

...Which should have made it even more obvious that, yes, it was joke.

lol?

miller was or wasn't your modifier ?

[Frozen Angel]

...Wait. (Also, 172. You know that I cannot be a Werewolf, and you know that Wednesday cannot be a Mafia Jailkeeper, and we're both unlikely to have drawn a second werewolf/mafia card.)

This is basically bullshit stop talking about probability. chances for having a second scum card is exactly the same for everyone else ...

so back to this whenever you were ready.

why should I town read wednesday?

[Frozen Angel]

But as my discard shows...I'm not a Werewolf, so I clearly hold at least SOME reason not to be that type of role.

Your discards show nothing

[Frozen Angel]

about modifier calim

modifier has no relations to our roles. they all assigned randomly. practically a miller mason is the best cover for mafia! but I'm not scumeading you for your modifier claim. I'm more concerned about the way you two started town reading each other so hard and joked about it by claiming mason .

Wednsday first read on you was about the miller claim - which she found pretty much townish which is absurd. "Modifiers have no relation to our roles" .

Your slots had no interactions or anything but suddenly started town reading each other so hard.

[Frozen Angel]

So your agreed that intraction was too scummy to be considered its done by scum ...

[Frozen Angel]

That means their stupid towns? our their trying to show themself bad to avoid the lynch?

[Frozen Angel]

sorry for the stupid word I meant *bad player*

[Frozen Angel]

Yes Frozen, I mean to imply that it was in fact a joke, and that they never saw this response coming..

I'm not talking about the mason claim. I'm talking about the whole panicking - defensive reactions of wednsday

[Frozen Angel]

The difference is, I did so immediately, whereas you tried to hide yours.

The fuck?!

[Frozen Angel]

I tried to hide mine?!

[Frozen Angel]

I didn't claimed a miller you j...

I claimed watchlisted . Its completly different from a miller claim. Completely on another level.

And you need to explain this right now. What implied I tried to hide mine? I got my modifier in a second massage from mod. I posted my RVS first. then I opened my massage box and I saw that. and i confessed it immediately.

W8ing for your support of accusations

pedit : Wednesday defended someone else and panicked about Someone else .... I asked specifically if there is anything relating them and she declined to answer. And I'm fine thx

pedit : there is no mason rule here baka

[Frozen Angel]

pedit : there is no mason rule here baka

Not masons.. the day investigator thing

no "day" modifier claim.

its not the case.

[Frozen Angel]

oO ha?

[Frozen Angel]

I'll do.

later today.

I need to leave atm

[Frozen Angel]

OK, I'll try to say this ONCE: I'm town, with no investigative/informative abilities. No protective ability either, and I don't posses an active killing ability. Make of that what you will. So long, your Majesty.

Who forced you to claim such a thing?

My read list and experiance as its been asked:

Almost50 : Well baka was always obsessed with IIOA and he was very carefull with giving out a read so I'm not scum reading the slot atm. he is null. I played 4 offsite blitz games with him

http://board.us.ikariam.gameforge.com/b ... fly-theme/ : A hard cult game (firefly theme)

http://board.us.ikariam.gameforge.com/b ... mafia-101/ : newbie game!

http://board.us.ikariam.gameforge.com/b ... nced-game/ : Greater Idea

http://board.us.ikariam.gameforge.com/b ... ermediate/ : intermediate themed large game!

Smithereens : hmm , her posts seems genuine I like to call her a town lean atm . I never played a full game with her.

Wednesday_ : weird - scummy weird . TOO Scummy weird that I can't even call her scum for that! why should she panic about a wagon on someone else? and no I don't have a finished game with her.

Starbuck : well absoloutly null. she is still lurking in here games as I see! I played 1 game with her :

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=64520 : upick theme micro game

Radiant Cowbells : well I played 7 finished games with him and we have lots of ongoing games right now. He is different and Extremely Not Usual him in this game. Not his scum nor his town version. this scares me...

for more detail about it check my wiki. I played nearly all my games with him.

Jackal711 : well I can see him an opportunistic jumper on Ranger wagon but that read need some info about ranger's flip... no play with him

Ranger : well that mason claim can be a joke. (very likely as I said even in my first post) I just can't follow his mindset about wednsday. he used multiple logical fallacies to show he is not scum (his modifier claim and his discarded role) which scares me. scum lean and no finished games with him.

Persivul : well he is so active. trying to find clues make cases and scum hunt in his way but I can't see his obsession with preflip accusations. for that I put him in my null category. and my only experience with him is a weird ongoing.

lane0168 : well , I have a good feeling about his posts so far. he gives me a very slight town lean gut read. cant recall a game with him either

BlackStar : hmm, well BS discard seems So Summy. But I liked his push on wednesday so I put him in my slight town lean. no finished game

Flubbernugget : I like his posts and points more than anyone else. his my strongest town read atm.

davesaz : well he is kind of lost in reading the game I guess, or I am lost in reading him. his not making game progressive anyway. very very slight scum lean. and I have 1 finished game with him.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=64215

[Frozen Angel]

No but I played with goodmorning I could never follow her multiquote style. Channeling her thought process is easy enough and incredibly fun. However I am not lampooning of goodmorning.

@almost If I said that's private would you believe me?

Please quote I can't see what are you talking about

[Frozen Angel]

My issue with a Ranger wagon is the 1% chance he is town. Between the two "masons" there's less chucklefuck in his play

When did you start scum reading ranger?

This is no way my posts could have been interpreted to not believe you slipped

You realize the case was made the ranger slipped not me. Try harder to bullshit next time.

If your confirming ranger slipped that means you two are scum together!

[Frozen Angel]

Why is ranger town? Read the game.

All I can see is his Town reading you... and your town reading him.

Why your so sure about he being town?

I want quotes and points that because of them Your town reading him ...

pedit :

plus your votw is on me. no pressure. no questions . nothing ... your parking ?

[Frozen Angel]

@almost If I said that's private would you believe me?

What is?? I mean, I would be inclined to believe you if I knew what you meant precisely. Your "other" account? How you know Ranger is town?? What?

I was actually hinting on my role. Why is ranger town? Read the game.

Why in earth you want to hard claim your role when It definitely has nothing to do with your alignment ...

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Wednesday L1

this is it hard claim right now.

what is your shitty modifier

what is your role? the one you

hinted

?

pedit : YOU literally said it .... that wasn't even close to be just a hint

[Frozen Angel]

No one unvote our hammer or will be considered scum before her claim ...

[Frozen Angel]

I want a claim right now.

Your hinting was the most stupid thing I ever saw in my mafia history so far ...

That wasn't a hint. that was a hardclaim ... now complete it or just die

[Frozen Angel]

From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that

THIS IS JUST A NIGHTMARE

pedit : @baka NO that was a hint on her role (She confirmed that) .... you really can't see that? What she is calling a hint is hard claiming ...

[Frozen Angel]

Whats different about your modifier? You claimed your role. Don't ignore it ...

pedit : is there anything about me concerned you Flubb? I can explain what am I doing...

[Frozen Angel]

You literally said that you will believe me if I claim X ?!

and you said that's a hint!

anyone! someone! That's not a hardclaim?!

[Frozen Angel]

whate so importnat about claiming it in full manner? and claiming your modifier?

[Frozen Angel]

You literally said that you will believe me if I claim X ?!

and you said that's a hint!

anyone! someone! That's not a hardclaim?!

I don't know WTF you're saying and don't care to play games. If Wednesday wants to claim she should do so plainly.

It was what she said :

@almost If I said that's private would you believe me?

What is?? I mean, I would be inclined to believe you if I knew what you meant precisely. Your "other" account? How you know Ranger is town?? What?

I was actually hinting on my role. Why is ranger town? Read the game.

Why in earth you want to hard claim your role when It definitely has nothing to do with your alignment ...

[Frozen Angel]

Ok I won't unvote this shit.

why should she claim her role ... LIKE THIS. That will just help scums to organize their kills - moves ...

She needs to die.

goodbye

[Frozen Angel]

Private investigator.

[Frozen Angel]

There was no reason to claim role.

There is no town reason to claim roles. all roles can be scum aligned ...

the fact she claimed that in first place is just confirmation of her death ...

[Frozen Angel]

RC whats your read on wednesday ?

[Frozen Angel]

Why I called wednesday a she for all game long oO

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Lane

This is so scum.

Damned if I know how you play this game at all!!!

RC; for the love of everything that is holy and sacred, please explain your vote for ONCE.

actually this is the RC I know...

Rc what do you think about the wagon? Why your picking random people on wagon?

[Frozen Angel]

actually this is the RC I know...

It's not the RC I know until she self-votes.

RC is a he. and he won't self vote until he has a point for it ...

[Frozen Angel]

lol , no I promise! He is he!

and no! I never saw him self voted out of frustration

[Frozen Angel]

I still don't buy this scumslip argument at all.

There Are Several Other Reasons To Lynch Wednesday.

Why Your Not Paying Attention ...

[Frozen Angel]

Didn't we redraw the first time because the ratio's were not ideal? I find it hard to believe town is at LYLO on day 1.

Stop this probability shit.

thats completly likely to happen. and its not low probable at all.

why your trying to say this and go on with an informative lynch?

[Frozen Angel]

As I noted that's unlikely

ITS NOT UNLIKELY

ITS as probable as any other form!

why your even talking about this? we need to lynch scum ...

[Frozen Angel]

omg mafia is a game of probability. If we decided to no lynch every time we weren't 100% certain about the lynch we'd never, ever lynch. Do continue discussing the probability and the most beneficial course of action from that. It's going fucks further than the joke of a 'slip' from earlier.

And probability says we can be in lylo as much as we can be in 1 scum others town game...

So stop this shit and find scums...

[Frozen Angel]

Wednesday started town reading someone blindly never answered why ...

He never answered my direct questions ...

He started defending someone else when the wagon was not on himself. and he refused to modifier claim.

He chard claimed his role without any reason and just helped the scum to arrange their night kills. - roles has nothing to do with alignments ...

and He refused To Hard claim again or claiming modifier. seems trying to avoid a counter claim or something ...

He vote parked on me based on Omgus and never even asked a single question from me or pressuring me . He started misrepresenting that I'm the one who is dodging questions ...

[Frozen Angel]

Wednesday started town reading someone blindly never answered why ... >> slight scum lean

He never answered my direct questions ... >> slight scum lean

He started defending someone else when the wagon was not on himself. and he refused to modifier claim. >> scum lean - she could claim modifier to show if there is any relation between she and the other slot . for example if their town lovers with lynching 1 we can loose 2 towns and loose the game immediately ...

He chard claimed his role without any reason and just helped the scum to arrange their night kills. - roles has nothing to do with alignments ... >> scum claim. there is no actual town reason to do this in this game...

and He refused To Hard claim again or claiming modifier. seems trying to avoid a counter claim or something ... >> what you think about this? she said his role name and refused to do so again ...she prefers to die instead of full claim ... god

He vote parked on me based on Omgus and never even asked a single question from me or pressuring me . He started misrepresenting that I'm the one who is dodging questions ... >> slight scum lean. she is just focused in defending himself and Ranger ...

>> answered ^

[Frozen Angel]

I have a heavy suspicion of FA right now.

Can we wagon for reactions!

[Frozen Angel]

[Frozen Angel]

I agree that vote was scummy ...

But I really have a bad feeling about RC ...

[Frozen Angel]

I think not ...

[Frozen Angel]

I feel not is a better way to say it...

[Frozen Angel]

No I said that was scummy.

I'm still happy with wednesday lynch

and I have a bad feeling about you

Just saying ...

pedit : arrrgh maybe ...

[Frozen Angel]

THat's how I play early game. I just label different people and things scummy and wagon them until they either confirm my scumread or act towny.

No, You will just wagon me till I get fucked up and self vote myself if scum

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not townreading you at the moment, fyi, but Jackal is equally likely to be scum.

What a great understanding! This is nice! we can start from here.

[Frozen Angel]

Well, one of us needs to convince the other that we're town then.

It's hard when neither of can trust the other

so true!

I don't trust you at all...

What are your reads so far?

[Frozen Angel]

If I say I love you will you townread me?

promise you love me more than Annie ... and I might start thinking about it!

Mod! Can we have a replacement on Star and a time extension plz?

[Frozen Angel]

UNVOTE:

well actually I'm interested in new Ranger post ...

Jackle lets start posting ! shall we?

Star where are you girl?

Percival your read list have an update?

[Frozen Angel]

Don't lie RC. I know you love Annie more ...

[Frozen Angel]

I unvoted wednsday. you need to sleep honey

[Frozen Angel]

and I am town

are you?

[Frozen Angel]

I like to

be

sheep!

VOTE: Jackal

if it helps him to talk lets have a wagon there.

[Frozen Angel]

[Frozen Angel]

And probability says we can be in lylo as much as we can be in 1 scum others town game...

Sorry, FA.. but this is totally NOT true. There's a minimum of 2 scum as per Kraeg's post #1

So it has the same probability to the form which has 2 scums! so what ...

[Frozen Angel]

UNVOTE:

well actually I'm interested in new Ranger post ...

Jackle lets start posting ! shall we?

Star where are you girl?

Percival your read list have an update?

OMG, are you seriously letting him get into your head? It's obvious that RC thinks (correctly it would seem) that he can play you and is desperate to derail the Wednesday wagon. Why do you think that is? What kind of person tries to derail one wagon while not pushing another? Scum, that's who.

pedit: seems that scum have daytalk with the sudden concerted effort to attack me.

readlist persival

[Frozen Angel]

Nothing. Just like to poke you in the nose every now and then for fun.

[Frozen Angel]

Townier to scummier:

{Lane, Flubber, Blackstar}
{Frozen}
{Jackal, Starbuck, davesaz}
{Ranger, Almost50}
{Radiant, Wednesday, Smithereens}

And there's not much separating the bottom two groups. The pushes on lurkers after reaching L-1 and with deadline approaching are just horrible.

Jackle come on buddy! don't be a mis lynch or I will hate you!

[Frozen Angel]

Nice it seems we have 2 candidate for end day lynch!

who is town ... who is scum ...

hmm you two ! if your town you better start showing us that . nothing can hurt town more than a mislynch

[Frozen Angel]

I need to see both Jackle and Wednesday defense before I give you my reads ...

and no 'm happy to record all the interactions of people with these two wagons.

[Frozen Angel]

Well the point is I'm working on an update. my last reads [full detailed] is in post VOTE: 417 only wednesday seems terribly more scummier since then and RC and Ranger seems more townish

[Frozen Angel]

carp! I used the wrong code I meant 417

[Frozen Angel]

carp! I used the wrong code I meant 417

[Frozen Angel]

and now double posting


*and a girl who vanishes in the darkness .... *

pedit : I'm waiting for Jackle . not lynching him ...

Blackstar why you destroyed wednesday wagon ?

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not lynching for information.

I'm lynching scum.

[Frozen Angel]

Ok I need to reread how this stuff happened! I think I'm feeling the Dark Shadow of a multiball game here!

God helps me!

[Frozen Angel]

Everyone what do you Like to play ?

Town
3Party
Scum

I know its not alignment indicative. Just asking to organize my thoughts about your behavioral overall ...

And please write sentense about why you like that.

thx

[Frozen Angel]

*write at least 1 sentense *

[Frozen Angel]

He is not. he says voting a lurker is a policy lynch which is a true fact.

please answer me baka

[Frozen Angel]

Ok I need to reread how this stuff happened! I think I'm feeling the Dark Shadow of a multiball game here!

God helps me!

Multiball is possible, but I don't see why that Jackal CW would have sprung up in multiball.

at this point multiball is kind of definite in my view ...

[Frozen Angel]

w8ing for answer

[Frozen Angel]

Code: Select all

[spoiler=the title]the spoiler[/spoiler]

[Frozen Angel]

everyone ...

[Frozen Angel]

arghhh everyone vanished?

[Frozen Angel]

answer me plz

[Frozen Angel]

persival answer me please

[Frozen Angel]

I asked a simple question and I'm sure I answered it before in this game ...

why your dodging...

[Frozen Angel]

arghhh everyone vanished?

If you want to talk to RC or Smithereens, just change your vote back to Wednesday. At least one of them will show up in short order.

I'm interested in your answer to my question. please ...

[Frozen Angel]

arghhh everyone vanished?

If you want to talk to RC or Smithereens, just change your vote back to Wednesday. At least one of them will show up in short order.

I'm interested in your answer to my question. please ...

[Frozen Angel]

Everyone what do you Like to play ?

Town
3Party
Scum

I know its not alignment indicative. Just asking to organize my thoughts about your behavioral overall ...

And please write sentense about why you like that.

thx

You expect truth from this?

I expect answers ... Answer please

[Frozen Angel]

BS you like to play town or not ? this is a different question.

[Frozen Angel]

I still don't see how this isn't distracting from the fact that the deadline is approaching

we have about 24 hours (means a lot in blitz) and we have 2 l2 wagon

its completly fine! don't worry

[Frozen Angel]

wednesday answer the question I asked please.

[Frozen Angel]

Everyone what do you Like to play ?

Town
3Party
Scum

I know its not alignment indicative. Just asking to organize my thoughts about your behavioral overall ...

And please write sentense about why you like that.

thx

this one

[Frozen Angel]

what was the alignment of your role card wednesday?

[Frozen Angel]

My only two valid lynches of the day are Jackal and Starbuck; and as I'm assuming the latter would be soon replaced that leaves me stuck with my vote on Jackal (unless something really tragic changes this stance).

why is that? lurking ?

[Frozen Angel]

yeah!

[Frozen Angel]

I'm observing look at my eyes!:)

[Frozen Angel]

Baka this is stupid. we can't gambit to policy lynch someone... we can easily loose this game ...

[Frozen Angel]

What reads would you get from a jackal town flip? Scum flip?

If he flips town then I maybe inclined to adopt you logic on RC/Ranger.
If he flips scum then YOU, my friend become highly suspect for defending him.

if he flips town we can loose the game immediately ...

[Frozen Angel]

if he flips town we can loose the game immediately ...

Not unless all 5-6 scum belong to the same faction. You're forgetting this is a multi-party game, so the win condition for every faction is to eliminate all other factions (as opposed to mafia vs town games when the mafia wins when they are more or equal to the number of town players remaining). Hell, even then if we have a vig, a PGO .. etc we still have a chance to come out on top through the night.

oO yeah I never thought about that, in last game I got lynched day 1 and my only scum teammate died n1 so yeah I forgot scum wincon is to eliminate other factions and they can't win with majority vote ...

[Frozen Angel]

Intent to hammer

But I need everyone to answer my question.

even RC

[Frozen Angel]

@Frozen answer to your question, I like to play because it's fun.

you like to play what?

[Frozen Angel]

You like to play all 3 and you don't care then hmm

[Frozen Angel]

That's a hammer, I believe. We're in twilight now.

What do you think about RC's hammer?

Can I answer as well ?

If by any chance wednesday flipped scum check RC. he like to hammer teammates...

[Frozen Angel]

my last day read list!

if wed flip scum
{Almost50} obvious town
{Flubber , Lane} more town lean
{Starbuck,Smithereens, Persival } town lean
{Jackal , davesaz , Blackstar} null
{Radiant , Ranger} scum

if wed flip town
{Almost50} obvious town
{Lane , Smithereens} more town lean
{Starbuck, Radiant , Ranger , davesaz } town lean
{Jackal , Blackstar , Persival , Flubber } null
{ Jackal } scum


Baka is town in this game. I have no doubt about it. there is no way baka discard a town card unless he has another card that he can choose town alignment from it.

[Frozen Angel]

Wait, so you're saying that him flipping scum would make you instantly believe that I'm scum?

What devilry is this?

That I'm tired of seeing how you buss your partners as scum. and no I'm not saying that, i'm asking a related cop check on you if its even possible. and you will just loose all your credibility here.

[Frozen Angel]

I also don't like FA for town very much right now.

sure

[Frozen Angel]

I entirely misinterpreted something.

If I die you should be able to figure it out.

If I'm alive I'll explain it tomorrow.

you literally destroyed my reaction test. don't try to make me feel better about you ...

[Frozen Angel]

which party ?

[Frozen Angel]

well so we have at least two factions and there was a warewolf faction in start

@Mod there are no kill flavors at all? I mean 2 shot means it can't be werewolves move?

@RC I'm town here and after wednesday's flip I wanna believe your too as well .

[Frozen Angel]

I need to reread wiki then

this suggests warewolf kill got blocked because we had no dismembered people.

this suggests we have no sk. this is so odd to have 2 kill blocks in 1 day.

this suggests we have a mafia group and another gunman which I need reread to make sure of all possibilities

[Frozen Angel]

FA can you forgive me for thinking you were a scumbum?

be town and I will think about it

[Frozen Angel]

Droog was WW and replaced Starbuck.
Does Jackal make sense as teammate to Starbuck/Droog?

we have nothing to suggest that there is another WW around ...

[Frozen Angel]

there are only 2 possibilities for those gun kills :

mafia factional kill and a vigilant or one of them happened twice because of a motivator.

because doog was so inactive I guess that was a vig kill .

[Frozen Angel]

yep I forgot PGO

but I'm really thinking about the vig possibility ...

I'm kind of sure about my RC and almost read. this is definitely my town block. i will reread everyone else later

[Frozen Angel]

Well I'm sure about the role cop thing based on how you cleared me now ... so I might assume your town as well

[Frozen Angel]

My ability tells me what abilities they have. It does not specify their alignment.

he said probably.

I know he is telling the truth about knowing my role so he must be a role cop.

[Frozen Angel]

But why should he come out and out that result for me? I know how he concluded that I'm not scum ...

He didn't lied about his role, or me , so I think I might wanna put him in null , town lean for now

I'm happy with a percival lynch ... killing lane is something I expect from scum him to do.

[Frozen Angel]

definetly not

*I know you didn't ask me*

But NO

1 - Roles has nothing to do with alignments
2 - That will just help the scum to avoid the thing blocked the warewolf kill
3 - That will show out our other investigators as well.

even suggesting that is scummy

[Frozen Angel]

that makes perfect sense if your the redirector yourself.

or your in a mafia faction and they did for you

[Frozen Angel]

ok my town block : RC , Almost50
people who I like to think their town becuase of the claims : Jackal , Smithreen

so this is half of the players. I won't lynch 4 people above me ^

THERE ARE NO WAY THAT I LET YOU KILL THEM

ok 5 remaining people : Ranger , Persivul , BlackStar , Flubbernugget , davesaz

these are the people who I will try to sort later tonight and 1 of them is today lynch.

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Jackal

Hunch from night actions.

His claim is completly beleivable. He knows my role and from his view I have less than 33% chance to be scum so I'm probably town.

Unvote right now

[Frozen Angel]

Hunch from night actions.

is that about your action?! or the night kills ?

[Frozen Angel]

But why should he come out and out that result for me?

I know how he concluded that I'm not scum ...

He didn't lied about his role, or me , so

I think I might wanna put him in null , town lean for now

I said I want to believe their town

if you have anything suggesting he is guilty I'm here to hear that.

[Frozen Angel]

if you have anything suggesting he is guilty I'm here to hear that.

You were on his wagon yourself at the end of D1.

You apparently thought he was guilty then. Why?

All that's changed is that he hinted that he knows your role and that he thinks you're town.

No its because of the nature of my role and how he claimed that he analized that to prove I'm town aligned to himself. I can't see a reason for scum to do that.

[Frozen Angel]

I can't see a reason for scum to do that.

You don't think scum want town allies?

He could have just said I know what are you or things like that. he used that and other clues to figure out my alignment . Thats pretty much townish in my view.

But I don't know his alignment and I'm open to see if you have a guilty on him or not.

why you claimed your night action show he is [kind of] guilty?

I need an answer.

[Frozen Angel]

Honestly, it sounds more like he saw that everyone else thinks you're town and he decided to claim cop and say that you came up as town. Obviously you're not going to deny that you're town of you aren't, and if you are then you're going to trust him for being accurate. Until he checks out someone else at night and is right about their role, I still don't trust him.

Honestly he said because of the results of night actions he knows I'm probable town

Which is completly accurate read.

He knows my role.

I have 0 doubt about that.

[Frozen Angel]

No jacle lynch unless someone has a guilty result on him

thats my last decision...

move on

[Frozen Angel]

If everyone is aging "I think FA is town" it wouldn't be hard for anyone to say that they investigated you and you're probably town. It doesn't really prove anything. If he is consistently right about people's roles then he'll be the confirmed cop.

He never said he investigated me and he found I'm town. he said he knows my role and because of a clue in last night kills He believes I'm town.

and I as someone who knows my role , I know what is he talking about.

[Frozen Angel]

Anyway, if I remember correctly FA gave the intent to hammer Wednesday and then two posts later RC hammered out of nowhere. Should we talk about that?

No RC is likely town. at least for now.

[Frozen Angel]

tree stump and restless soul I guess

[Frozen Angel]

RC your claiming Unlynchable?

[Frozen Angel]

right here

I want to make sure thats what he is claiming

[Frozen Angel]

1- OR we had only 1 WW and they got killed thus their kill didn't go through (someone more experienced in modding should respond to this: Would the kill have still gone through if the killer is killed themselves??)

the kill would go through it was written in wiki somewhere if I'm recalling it right ... and there is no priority in killings unless they were been generally announced.

you remember the last role madness we played? in that game heather failed to kill not because she got killed by aliens because the target got protected by doc.

[Frozen Angel]

Everyone unvote Jackle right now

[Frozen Angel]

Considering the flavor, mod's response, and smither's claim, we either have a mafia faction in addition to the WWs, or a PGO or other gun using role.

WW faction kill never went through - it failed-

we definitely have a mafia faction and a gun using role - thats make smith claim believable , But her role is not alignment indicative -think about mafia vig - ...

[Frozen Angel]

RC is like 90% not another WW

I can confirm that.

I won't say anymore. and I request protection tonight.

[Frozen Angel]

and jacke 100% knows my role because of his claim ... and the way he connected the dots to find my alignment is not scum indicative

I won't say anymore

[Frozen Angel]

we don't if there is a redirector is out there. so we can't know if persival was the main target in first place.

this whole argument is wifom based

[Frozen Angel]

lol

your not going to know shep ...