Blitz 12: Double Trouble! (Game Over)
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At least one of {PhantomCobalt, Titus} is scum.
Dwlee is town; texcat and BeBop also are pinging for scum.
It's too early to tell for sure on Errant/Firebringer/AlwaysInnocent, but early indicators are town.
Squirrelly, not so sure about; still too early to say.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Yakko is town and so is Dominator; Wanderermaybe scum.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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VOTE: Titus.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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So!
{Dwlee}
{Yakko, Dominator}
{Errant, Firebringer, AlwaysInnocent, Flubbernugget}
{Squirrelly, gimick, ZZZX}
{Wanderer}
{Phantom Cobalt, Titus, texcat, Bebop}.
(Forgot Flubbernugget in my notes before.)
There we go!AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Nope, except for those that were. (I noted the weak and strong ones.)PhantomCobalt wrote:@Ranger this have to be weak reads right? We just got of RVS.
People on this site havenoclue how obvious they make their alignments in the RVS.
About 66% (may be dwindling down to 50% slowly), and not very often.How accurate do these reads end up being? How often do they change?
Because I'm pretty sure, even in THIS game, there are more town than scum. :P (I see at absolute most, six scum possible.)AlwaysInnocent wrote:What makes you think all these people are town?
Dwlee's posting was very, very strongly town scumhunting naturally rather than scum awkwardly scumhunting. (This is multiball, so everyone can legitimately scumhunt a little, but town scumhunt blindly and scum scumhunt strategically; Dwlee is the former.)texcat wrote:Ranger, can you tell me about your town read on Dwlee?
Reasons are a luxury, not a necessity.Squirrelly wrote:Sure would be nice to have reasons.
Ah. Didn't know you were a hydra. This explains things.She does that. I don't like it and will continue to point it out. Reads don't do much for the rest of us without explanation. But, I have seen her do this as town.
VOTE: BeBop.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Actually, we soft-distanced from each other for the majority of the game. It wasn't until the last two day phases post-mason-claim that we got all buddy-buddy.Flubbernugget wrote:Wasnt that a huge tell we missed in blitz one that scum was hard defending each other?
And that's part of the reason I have the townread.Squirrelly wrote:Dwlee is doing a lot of joking even past the rvs stage while throwing shade at errant.
Titus continues to send off many alarm bells on page six. I may explain after getting caught up. (Probably not, bit busy tonight.)
Always Innocent is much stronger town by now, naturally.
I post once a day.PhantomCobalt wrote:Ranger's now disappeared.
Sometimes twice. (More if I'm obsessing over a game, but average of 1/2 times a day.)
That's not disappearing, that's calledhaving life.
PC is still scum, btw.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Actually, wagon here's larger.
VOTE: PhantomCobalt.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Because I'm gonna be blunt, I'll vote whichever scumread of mine has the largest wagon.BeBop wrote:Can I ask why the vote on my ranger?
At the time I voted, I was reading and your wagon was the largest, albeit still small at only two.
Then I saw the PhantomCobalt wagon, also a scumread, much larger, so I switched.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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{Dwlee, AlwaysInnocent}
{Yakko, Dominator}
{Errant, Firebringer, Flubbernugget, Squirrelly}
{gimick, ZZZX}
{texcat, Wanderer}
{Titus, Bebop}
{Phantom Cobalt}
For clarity: this is Wanderer and Phantom Cobalt moving down, not tecat/Titus/Bebop moving up.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Titus's posting just seems calculated. It feels like how she would go about hunting scum in a multiball game when being scum herself: manipulative and controlled, easily compromising and changing, lacking in stubbornness because stubbornness draws attention to yourself and drawing attention to yourself when scum in multiball is suicide.
Dominator's posting simply hasn't bothered me at all, which instantly puts him above half the players in the game. I'd have to get back to you on what specifically I actually liked, I just remember reading what Dominator said and thinking, "This doesn't look like scum."AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Hello scumslip.Bebop wrote:Are town villager and town citizen different somehow? *Is confused*
VOTE: Bebop.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Yes you do.Titus wrote:I don't do crumbs.
Titus is scum, too.
VOTE: Titus.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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>_>Always Innocent wrote:Ranger: throws around random reads, without explanation, and then disappeared
Exception: yesterday (Saturday), since I didn't know the game would be starting Saturday, and I took the whole day off for personal reasons. (Easily confirmable.) Otherwise, yeah. Been here every day, once or twice per day. Very much not disappearing.We've been over this. wrote:I post once a day.
Sometimes twice. (More if I'm obsessing over a game, but average of 1/2 times a day.)
That's not disappearing, that's calledhaving life.
UNVOTE: Titus.
Titus explained herself sufficiently, Bebop's result on her is apparently rock-solid, Bebop is unlikely to be protecting a scumbuddy, and Titus as a godfather is unlikely to claim jailkeeper, so all signs point to Titus as town, and Bebop as probably-town. (The scumslip I mentioned was, more accurately defined, a "not-VT" slip, and Bebop claimed not-VT.)
Since this has cut my scumreads down in half (between Bebop being town, Titus being town, and PhantomCobalt flipping town), I'll need to re-evaluate my assumptions from yesterday.
I still feel comfortable with a Squirrelly townread (for obvious reasons) and also am feeling good about Always Innocent, but aside from that, I need to re-think the rest. Will do after I have caught up.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Of course I'm defensive about post behavior involvingAlways Innocent wrote:and acting all-defensive when her post behavior gets analyzed by him.my real life activity.
You call me a lurker, I'm calling you out on BS because I don't lurk.
I post once or twice a day.
That's plenty active, even in a blitz game. I stay up to current, I catch up quickly even when not, and my post count is always easily at least middle of the pack. I do NOT "disappear". So you say I do, and I WILL call you out on your lie.
You're not very good at making cases if you bring up playstyle as an argument. I have a widely established history, null because it's there as both alignments, of listing. Reasons are a luxury, lists practically a necessity for keeping my thoughts organized.Well, I think the opposite is more likely to be true: providing lists of reads is a luxury; reasons are a necessity.
This is tripping all kinds of opportunism bells.Errantparabola wrote:Ranger being scum in Hardcore mafia means that Ranger isn't necessarily town for any of her early game strong positions
I think Titus early townread ranger due to something of that sort?
VOTE: Errantparabola.
(Sothisis what it feels like. I've been on the giving end of this a few times, never the receiving end. I'd tell you the vote's not OMGUS but you wouldn't believe me.)AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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"Titus and Ranger could be a team"-->Titus is town-->Errantparabola wrote:I could've seen Titus and Ranger as a team, especially with the Dwlee kill.
But the jailkeeper reaction on D2 start confirms titus as town?
^That. Why this doesn't make sense: Because if the assumption is "Titus and Ranger could be a town"-->Titus is confirmed town, the first thing to do isVOTE: Rangerreassess your read on the other player. As in, "Titus and Ranger could be a team"-->"Titus is town"-->"So maybe Ranger isn't part of a scumteam, need to reconsider".AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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And the benefit behind lynching a strong townread of a player who is apparently confirmed town is...Errantparabola wrote:The titus townreading ranger thing isn't why ranger is scum, to clarify. but it's a benefit that comes from ranger being lynched.
...What, exactly?AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Why do you think I scumread Titus?Always Innocent wrote:I am inclined to believe Titus for now, but there is just one thing that keeps bugging me: her early and highly confident (and uncalled for) townread of Ranger. This conflicts with my belief that Ranger is scum.
I did not think I deserved the townread. Her holding it raised all sorts of alarm bells.
But she's apparently confirmed town, so she had some reason for holding it. I MAY have a theory for why, but I wouldn't be able to explain why and it'd require me double-checking something which I'm too lazy (and busy) to check.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Yes, and it is also present in every town game of mine.Always Innocent wrote:Ranger likes to throw around lists of reads without explanation, it seems. Even as scum. This does not surprise me at all.
And I do mean every town game.
I like to throw reasonless reads out. It is what I do as town, so I fake it as scum. Null. Playstyle. Now, you brought up actual points against me. You can push those all you like. But these? These are invalid.
This is another reason Errant is scum: because Errantparabola has an acknowledged history of recognizing that me listing is null, and knows that what I said is perfectly accurate: reads are a necessity to give, but reasons aren't. Not for me. They are given out when it pleases me: luxury.Errantparabola wrote:And this is one of the statements from ranger that I don't like.
The whole faux-confidence thing.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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I kind-of feel like Wanderer could be scum with Dom.Wanderer wrote:I feel scum would be aware of this being multiball by now so Dom's 524 feels like a towntell. It does very much annoy me though because this has already been discussed. Twice. (iirc)
Already did.BeBop wrote:Explain. And keep in mind that pisskop edited the post I was referring to.You people are *really* bad at reading when I DO give reasons. wrote:(The scumslip I mentioned was, more accurately defined, a "not-VT" slip, and Bebop claimed not-VT.)AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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But I WAS, and it weirded me out a lot because it didn't feel justified at all. JUST recently, as in, five minutes ago (literally, just in 576), I realized what ITitus wrote:You're not a strong townread anymore?thinkcaused the townread, but I haven't bothered to confirm.
Because of players like you trying to push her as not being confirmed town. :PErrantparabola wrote:How is Titus confirmed town, ranger?
(Quirky humor aside...for obvious reasons?)
Sure my attitude is a different concept from style of play, but style of play isErrantparabola wrote:Your attitude + style of play and your reads list are two different things.synonymouswith reads list, and the quote being discussed, "Reasons are a luxury", is a simple statement of exactly that. Maybe said in a bit of a tongue-in-cheek manner, but a statement of a personal fact all the same. And you're agreeing with a person saying it would be scum, when...it literally cannot be. Null, explicitly. Town, not so much.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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From this:{Dwlee, AlwaysInnocent}
{Yakko, Dominator}
{Errant, Firebringer, Flubbernugget, Squirrelly}
{gimick, ZZZX}
{texcat, Wanderer}
{Titus, Bebop}
{Always Innocent, Squirrelly, Titus, Bebop}
{Yakko}
{Firebringer}
{Flubbernugget}
{Albert B. Rampage, ZZZX}
{texcat, Wanderer, Dominator}
{Errantparabola}
To ^that.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Always Innocent, who people are claiming is conftown (don't know why, but I'll run with it), posted about the Titus read. You come in and buddy him. You then build on his already-existing Ranger doubt to cast shade, which is particularly egregious given our game history: you may not have explicitly painted my listing as a scum indicator, but you implicitly were, running contrary to the proof it's null.Errantparabola wrote:Explain how I'm being opportunistic.
Buddy a town player? Good scum strategy. Having that town player be the main pusher? Good scum strategy. Having the player being pushed on be town? Even better scum strategy. It's a trifecta of opportunism: you get to push town without consequences, because if anyone would take heat for the wrong read on me, it would be Always Innocent instead of yourself, when in truth you are by far the more guilty party.
Like I'd know? When a game's done, I remember some important facts about it. I remember my general style. (Listing.) I remember the general outcome. I generally (though not necessarily) remember the players. My style's my style, though. I wouldn't be able to single out any one game because it's my style. It's what I do naturally. I don't know what to point to and tell, "that's me doing the same", because as far as I'm concerned,Out of the town games you linked, are there any that you could show me specifically that are like hardcore?everygame is me doing the same.
You don't need to defend yourself. The post looked like a not-VT-slip, because a VT would know by their own role which it was. But since you are a claimed power role, you triggered a false alarm.Bebop wrote:No you didn't. That post was valid no matter what my role was. The two people killed were listed as citizen/villager respectively. I made the post to point out the inconsistency.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Exactly my point? Errantparabola asked me to metaread myself, but the task is impossible.Always Innocent wrote:Ranger, you don't get to metaread yourself, as that is entirely meaningless.
This is not even remotely highly defensive?Your highly defensive attitude is telling.
The only things I have been defensive about are pet peeves of mine: lists instead of reasons being called scummy (not), "inactivity" being "called out" (I'm not inactive), and similar BS. Quite explicitly I'm not defending myself against many of the points I actually could be defending myself from.
Because the game of mafia would not be even remotely challenging if all the "obviously scummy" players were actually scum? You're looking at things awfully superficially. Surface-level scumhunting is something I haven't done in four years. I focus on motivations behind posting. And through it, "obviously scummy" players are very rarely actually obviously scummy.Always Innocent wrote:Why is he your primary suspect and not someone more obviously scummy.
Wanderer is, explicitly, a scumread, just not as strong one as Errant.Obviously you cannot suspect yourself, so why not Wanderer instead?
I'd switch to there if I didn't feel like pursuing Errant (there's a nice wagon), but I do.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Something I do every game cannot, by definition, be scummy.Always Innocent wrote:But they are.
What.You know you are going to have to revise it anyway, which you seem to be hesitant about, even though a lot has happened in the meantime.
Seriously, what.
You cannot lure out someone whose posting times are unaffected by your mafia time and are instead affectedForgive me for luring you out.by their own real life.
No, I'm defending myself against the things which are explicitly BS. You know the things of yours I haven't defended?So you mean you are only defending yourself against things you cannot defend yourself from, but not the things you should be defending yourself from?So, whatSpoiler: This stuffhaveI defended myself against?
...Oh yeah. Exactly what I said I have! BS about my activity (null and also verifiable bysearching my posts site-wide), and BS about listing.
I've zero intent of defending myself on other fronts.
Clearly you don't.You don't think I look for motivations?
If you did you wouldn't be voting me.
Motivations are an intricate part of listing. If you can't see motive behind lists, then you can't see motive at all, mate. Pure and simple.
And you think a person who has played mafia for over five years can't fake reasons as scum? I choose not to give reasons. That does not mean none exist.If I cannot see any reasons, I am going to assume you don't have any.
You haven't been listening. I've been pushing Errant. I've been explaining my read on Errant.So explain why.That is why Errant is a stronger scumread. You harp on me for not giving reasons, yet when I do, you pass over them as if they're nonexistent!
Scumslips are not superficial. They are driven by simple thought processes. If anything, scumslips are deeper than motivation. You just need to know where to look. BeBop did legitimately slip not-VT. This should be evident because someone with an actual VT role PM would, by virtue of looking at their own role PM, know what the VT role for the game is. (As I already explained.) I called it a scumslip because I made the assumption that BeBop was not a VT, but would be scum faking VT. BeBop being a power role, however, also explained the slip, rendering it a strong confirmation of BeBop's claim. Very, very useful information to have.You call my analysis superficial, but calling this a scumslip is even worse.
So you're saying something I do literally every game is NOT in fact null, that it IS in fact alignment indicative, in spite of the fact that I do it literally every single game?There is no proof that it is a null-read. Meta-reads are manipulable and therefore inherently unreliable.
Dude.
There's meta that's "stuff you do as town, and stuff you do as scum".
Then there's meta that'sthis is my freakin playstyle you douche.
Not mine. Reasons have always been optional. Reads are fundamental. The game does not work without reads (you'd literally be random lynching if not for getting reads); the game works without reasons. I rest my case.You even called reasons a luxury, which they are not from the town POV.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Like...I don't use meta myself.
I won't meta a player.
I judge them off of their actions rather than their past games.
But I'm not a douche, because I know that sometimes...NULL MEANS NULL.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Because the new information "only slightly" (VERY debatable) changed them.Always Innocent wrote:Then you only slightly revise these reads to accommodate for new information.
My reads change off of how much new information changes them.
I generally quote or directly mention pieces of relevant information. (For instance, noting PhantomCobalt's death, Titus's status, Bebop's status.)
Sometimes that's a lot of change.
Most of the time.
Easily verified in my games, most of the time you'll find.
I don't change my reads that often because very little changes them.
Heck!
The changes I've made this game are probably larger than changes I've made in almost any other game! Not often I have to remove half my scumreads in one fell swoop, after all!
Kind-of, yes. And? Point being?It seems as if your list of reads serves primarily as an overview for yourself so you can appear relatively consistent to the town.
I use lists as a tool. They help me keep my own thoughts organized; they help share my thoughts with others. They're as much for my benefit as they are for yours. They do function exactly like you said: as an overview of myself. They show youwhat I am thinking. Which is why I say if you can't read lists, you can't read motive.
Belief revision happens when there is reason to revise a thought. But there's a difference between being rational about a change and irrational. For instance, when it comes toBelief revision is necessary for the town to win.you, I very easily could go all irrational, and point out how your extreme confirmation bias and unwillingness to move would mean you were scum, but I know better. That's an irrational, paranoia-induced thought from an emotional state. Not all read changes are good. I prefer to only makeaccuratechanges.
I revised my thoughts on Titus because there was reason to. I revised my thoughts on Bebop because there was reason to. I revised my thoughts on Errant because there was reason to. I have gone over other reads, but when I reviewed them, there was no reason to revise the read. (e.g. ZZZX remains null, so too does ABR, because they haven't done anything and that hasn't changed.)
Well, tough luck.Bebop wrote:I particularly don't like Ranger's habit of giving a read and then sometimes filling in reasons later as it gives ample opportunity to make stuff up to justify the read based on future information.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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I come from a site with aAlways Innocent wrote:Again, what's up with Yakko and Dom?reallyheavy focus on the RVS.
When in doubt, return to the RVS.
We do it every game.
It works pretty well, and we've got the art of RVS down to practically a science.
When you see a post, you see: "oh, it's the RVS, probably doesn't mean much". When I see a post, I see: "Nice!" Because on this site, players tend to not know how to RVS properly. They reveal their alignments surprisingly often, and nobody even realizes it. I'm not always right, not even close, but I use the technique with confidence. Just ask former victims of it like Errant. (Oh, wait! Errant isn't acknowledging that!)
Check your chronologies. 71: my first mention of PC as scum. 87 PC votes me erroneously believing I'm a newbie. (I'm not.) Hops off at 216. I vote in 277.One of the first people to suspect Ranger was Phantom. It is most likely no coincidence that both Ranger and Wanderer jumped on that wagon.
PC does not revote me.
In fact, PC doesn't even mention me again.
PC last mentioned me in reference to Titus's strong townread (which, again,I disagreed on), and prior to that, way back in 207 where he was still voting me and held three scumreads...and then he switched to Bebop, AKA our conftown player by your own words. The only time PC described the scumread on me, it was...oh, yeah. Using...lists, and nonexistent inactivity.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Here's an idea.Always Innocent wrote:In this game, Dom is acting scummy. But having more information on him would be nice.
Why don't you actually go do something to, oh...I don't know...COLLECT more information on Dom?
Hmm...now what universal force can be applied to maybe give that extra information?
Something all townies are given, even scumbags are gifted with...let's see...what could itpossiblybe?
Yeah, and Errant wasn't! (Well, this game anyway!) And I got not one, not two, but THREE (atAlways Innocent wrote:You said the game would not be challenging if every scum was obviously scum from the start.minimum) false positives in the form of PhantomCobalt, Titus, and Bebop. It's as I said: I'm not always right, but I still go in fairly confident anyway. Scum aren't always obvious, but that bravado can still raise eyes and catch attention. I think every scumteam I've read the topic of has had me as someone they considered or wished to nightkill, and it'sbecauseof this confidence. I come in, I post a list, the list might not be accurate but it scares them, and then I die.
And you've revealed you're not reading my posts given Errant was, explicitly, a townread.You, however, stick to uninformed reads from the beginning, like Yakko being town and Errant being scum.
A weak townread, sure, but a townread all the same.
How fond of the wiki are you? Actually, I'm pretty sure it's not just our wiki that has it, it'sApparently it is affected by it.so commonly known it exists outside our wiki. Still a wiki, but a broader one. You know why it's called a logical fallacy, right?
My real life access to here is COMPLETELY unrelated to any callout you made, and to even THINK you could have that effect is pure, simple, unfiltered arrogance.
Exactly my point! :PExcept that the listing was not BS.
(Accusationsabout the listing, on the other hand, are BS.)
Right, because ignoring all attacks on me which draws suspicion totally makes sense.Makes sense if you are scum.
I have no intention of defending myself against points I'd rather not waste my time defending myself on, because guess what?I'd rather be scumhunting.
Then you have fundamentally failed to grasp what motive actually is.The only motivation I can see is that you are trying to appear town when you aren't.
My weaker scumread?You should be voting for Wanderer, though.
Only out of desperation.
Otherwise, no.
Something can be deeper and still not be more important. :PI thought motivation was the most important.
Scumslips are something that, most of the time, do not happen, and therefore, most of the time, are irrelevant, and therefore, most of the time, unimportant.However, when a scumslipisreal, then they are the most important thing of all, arguably.
My record says otherwise. (Nightkills, post-game compliments, etc.)"Well, it is my playstyle that I always act like scum, even when I am town. Why are you holding me responsible for that?!"
This is not me acting like scum.
This is me acting like the way town playersshould.
Your style of play is not mine. That does not make yours superior. If you can't recognize that, in fact, it makes yours by definition inferior.
Calling a person scum for something they always do, and calling into questionAlso, I am not a douche.real life activitysay otherwise. If that's not being a douche, I don't know what would be.
Only to 50% of the mafia-playing population.Except that reasons give rise to reads.
Youdoknow gut doesn't really count as a reason, right? Gut is a read without reason, and half of mafia players operate on it.
Again.
If you can't recognize this.
Then you're, fundamentally, sabotaging yourself.
Yes you can. It requires looking into motivation.However, I cannot derive reasons from your reads alone.
Do you think I choose listed names at random when scum?
No, there's strategy involved.
When I use listed names as town, naturally of course it's neither random nor strategy; it's simply how I see things.
That's how I look at lists.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Of course I do. You think I make these things up?Always Innocent wrote:A science, eh? Well, if it is a science, then you should know the reasons.
Granted the reasons aren't rock-solid, but RVS content contains readable material. One reason I don't often share though is that I like keeping the secret: it seems to work, yet if I shared it with everyone, it probably wouldn't. At least not nearly as blatantly.
There's many reasons not to share reasons for reads: the effort involved, the information I gain bynotsharing (for instance, by seeing howother people treat my reads), keeping the trade secret, intimidating the scum if I'm even remotely accurate, refining my reads if it turns out I'm not (yes, giving no reasons on my lists can help me refine my reads!), and many more.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Calmed down a bit to recognize two statements which actually do contradict.
Sort of, anyway. The latter takes precedence over the former: people have different styles of play, none are better than the other by default, though the ones which do not recognize other styles are often inferior.This is me acting like the way town players should.
Your style of play is not mine. That does not make yours superior. If you can't recognize that, in fact, it makes yours by definition inferior.
My statement in the former would be better said, therefore, in a different way: this is me, acting like the way a town playerwith my styleshould. I recognize other styles, but I will fight for my right to use my own. I focus on finding scum. I don't necessarily do the lynching of the scum. I can push for the lynch of scum, but I mostly do the job oflocatingthem. I leave the rest of the job to other, more charismatic, players.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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I am not you.Always Innocent wrote:Giving a reason for someone requires less effort and is more valuable than giving reads on everyone, especially that early in the game.
Maybe it's easier for you.
Not for me. Focusing long enough to compile reads actually strains me.
My experience says otherwise. I can quote past scum topics if you don't believe me.Scum generally aren't intimidated by reads without reasons.
And I do this. Subtly, but I do this. It does not go unnoticed.Especially if they rationally revise their beliefs to accommodate for new facts and information.
Do you remember that 66% figure I quoted at the beginning of the game? There's a reason I said that. I do exactly that: close in on scum. Yes. With lists. You do not need reasons to do this. You simply need to be rational.A rational townie will eventually close in on the scum.
But it's not easier, either.Refining reads isn't harder when you have given reasons before
In contrast, refining reads when you list is easier. There's a reason I do it, after all. ;)
What time zone are you in?5. Many more. Let's hear about it.
I'll tell you where I live: inside America. Let me give you a hint: I woke up, by my local time, at 6:00 AM in the morning. How good are you at math? I won't give you which of the four continental timezones I live in, but I don't need to. Eastern, it's 7 AM. Central, 6 AM. Mountain, 5 AM. Pacific, 4 AM. Again, that is me getting up at 6 AM, and it being somewhere between 4-8 AM now. Somewhere either near, at, or exceeding 24 hours awake.
Most of it spent on this game.
I'm in no mood to elaborate. I'm far overdue for bed.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Uh-huh. And you're either blind or a hypocrite if you can't turn this around and see it from my side.Always Innocent wrote:It has nothing to do with my play style. It is just a factual statement. I base my play style on facts.
My style of playisn'tbased around hard, factual statements. Iuselogic and reasoning and factual statements, but they make up only about 50% of my style; the rest is composed of feeling and assuming.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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For clarity: that's waking up at 6 AM onLet me give you a hint: I woke up, by my local time, at 6:00 AM in the morning. How good are you at math? I won't give you which of the four continental timezones I live in, but I don't need to. Eastern, it's 7 AM. Central, 6 AM. Mountain, 5 AM. Pacific, 4 AMSunday, with it currently being between 4-8 AM MONDAY.
No sleep.
And do the math: calculate by your local time zone my post 568 to the timestamp on this post: you'll find it almost exactly 7 hours.
I've spent the last seven hours on this game.
I'm not in the mood to spend more time here.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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So am I. Think like a scum player,AlwaysInnocent wrote:I am talking about rational scum.especiallyin a game where the roles aren't known. What freaks you out more? A player who has given reasons which aren't accurate and who is presenting no threat...or a player who,mysteriously, for some reasonyou don't know, is scumreading you? Are they a cop with a guilty? They might be acting like one with their unwavering vote. They're not explaining the read, what if they've got some super-case for why you're scum they're just waiting to spring at the moment least convenient for you? Rational scum are terrified of lists without reasons.
Incorrect. Not sharing reasons is, by your subjective opinion, bad play. It is in no matter objective.However, not sharing them is objectively bad play.
Not sure if scum slipping they're hunting for one faction only. (Who may or may not be aware Dwlee's dead.)Flubbernugget wrote:Yakko
Wanderer
Dwlee
For now everyone else can be town by poe
Or just town slipping they don't know there's two, unaware Dwlee's dead.
Need more to be sure, but if I were toguess, I'd go with the latter.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Yes it is, assuming equal tiers of scum.Flubbernugget wrote:This is not how you scumhunt when you think you've found a slip
Bebop made a post which was a not-VT-slip: I recognized the potential for it to be a power role, but deemed it more likely to be scum, thus, scumslip.
Titus engaged in Squirrelly, seemingly entering into what was a 1v1 fight. In that fight, Squirrelly is a townread and Titus was a scumread. Furthermore, Titus made a claim I know to be false: she claimed she does not do 'crumbs, but I've played with her and I know she does, thus, thought she was lying. Since lying about not doing 'crumbs is something that lacks town motive, she was most likely scum in my eyes.
Later posts changed this, as it was revealed to not be as much of a 1v1 as it appeared, Titus explained her thoughts adequately, giving an explanation that made sense, and Bebop claimed the innocent on her, rendering it incredibly likely both were town, rather than my original assumption of both being scum.
My death does nothing to shed light on Titus's alignment. It wouldn't even if I were scum, it CERTAINLY doesn't since I'm town.Always Innocent wrote:Hence my vote on Ranger.
This seems mildly opportunistic, not to mention, OMGUSy.texcat wrote:My biggest scum reads are Errant and Ranger. I'm guessing they must be of different scum factions.
Null. As scum, "HA! I found a slip I can push!" As town, "Wait...Flubbernugget wrote:Talk to me about what motivations you see behind this postwhat did you say?!?" I can see either, neither looks more likely than the other.
Meh, close enough.Is this a good summary of Ranger v. AI? AI: your reads are bad. You are scum
Ranger:that's just how I play
AI: your play is bad. You are scum
Ranger: my play isn't bad tho
AI: yes it is
Ranger: no it's not
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I sincerely hope so!AlwaysInnocent wrote:Sometimes I do not realize that I am being a dick.
Wouldn't want you toneverrealize it. :P
(Sorry, that might be overstepping the bounds of a joke a bit.)
Titus's point is exactly why I did not like Flubber's justification.Titus wrote:You can't have a PoE to three people and then say it's incomplete.
I do like this, though.Flubbernugget wrote:Okay but why am I less scummy than ranger then?
Not liking ABR's 674.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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I very much sincerely doubt that.Albert B. Rampage wrote:I would have NK'd Titus N1 if I was scum.
What is your game experience with Titus?
This is a fair idea, but I want to see my name recorded on at least one more VC as on Errant before I switch, for emphasis.Bebop wrote:Lets lynch wanderer and look at albert again when we have some more info.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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{Always Innocent, Squirrelly, Titus, Bebop}
{Firebringer, Yakko}
{Flubbernugget, ZZZX}
{Albert B. Rampage}
{texcat, Wanderer, Dominator}
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There we go.
VOTE: Wanderer-nl.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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So...do we want to discuss anything today or just speedlynch ABR?
In the mean time:
VOTE: Errantparabola.
I feel no need to be on the lynch of confscum, so might as well make a statement with my vote.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Always Innocent wrote:If someone is confirmed scum, then why not vote for them?
Confscum is confscum is guaranteed lynch.Ranger wrote:So...do we want to discuss anything todayor just speedlynch ABR?
That doesn't require one vote after another.
ABR's getting lynched today, without question, without doubt.
So I want to have my suspicion on Errant stated in vote form, because I can.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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...Though texcat is scum, too.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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I actually had some mental idea of teams going into the night, will have to look at it tomorrow though if texcat was the hammer. Basically, we've got scum lynched. We can hunt for teams. I had texcat's faction pegged, but I don't remember off the top of my head which I had him pegged as.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Vampire. He's Wanderer's scumbuddy.texcat wrote:VOTE: Ranger
I'd still prefer Errant or Ranger. I'm off to work, but hope to be back before deadline.
That'd make Errant the unflipped scum faction, since texcat is not Errant's scumbuddy. Similarly,
This would be very doubtful to be a bus.TheDom would be better than a no-lynch.
ABR's probably the unflipped scum faction. Dominator is a possible scumbuddy too, given:Albert B. Rampage wrote:I've seen him make exactly one post today. He needs to come out and play.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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This game might be 2:3.
The options are: I'm missing a scumread and it's 3:3, one of {Errant, Dominator} is town and the other scum and we have 2:2, or I'm right and it's 2:3.
Two vampires against three weaker unflipped scum: ABR+Errant+Dominator.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Eeny meeny mini
VOTE: texcat.
Also could wagon Errant or Dominator.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Do people want me to explain why texcat is a vampire, beyond the one quote I provided?
'Cause it's pretty obvious texcat is a vampire.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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texcat is not an ABR scumbuddy. Neither is Flubber. Errant is a candidate.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Errant is town. Ranger is town.
Texcat could be scum.
VOTE: Flubber
This is 770. Dominator is a possible ABR scumbuddy as a result.Albert B. Rampage wrote:I've seen him make exactly one post today. He needs to come out and play.
772, 775, and 779 show why I am not an ABR scumbuddy.
This is about all the useful information there is from his slot. He bantered with Always Innocent, but not in a way that strongly reveals alignment.
Switching to Wanderer, you get:
Firebringer is unlikely to be a vampire as a result. 339 and 395 makes Always Innocent not scum with Wanderer, too.Wanderer-nl wrote:Then I wonder what the various reasons you had for voting me were.
Looking at the tone behind it, I'm actually thinking that Dominator is not a vampire because of 565; it reads as scum a bit miffed a mislynch of theirs was shut down.
So this is the information that can be gleamed from the dead scum. I'd like to note both were fairly reserved at giving out reads, which makes sense for multiball: you don't want to draw attention to yourself, so it makes sense for a scum player to give as little information away as possible.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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So, Squirrelly is my strongest townread for obvious reasons. Beyond the PR claim, they have constantly been scumhunting, and have scumhunted both factions if memory serves me. They've given many reads and many reasons, which easily could have drawn a lot of attention to themselves.
Behind them are Always Innocent, who has one of the longer isos in the game. He's been scumhunting plenty, and is definitely not a vampire. His play is largely focused on certain players at a time, meaning there isn't exactly one spot you can look at and go, "so that's what his thoughts on the players are", but he's not leaving himself with suspiciously few interactions. He is also very doubtfully a werewolf, given his relatively-early callout of ABR being scum. (This is not quite as absolute as his Wanderer callout, but it's close enough.)
Firebringer is definitely not a vampire (see 295, and also: while Fire defends Wanderer in 737, the defense is done in such a manner that I don't think it's a scumbuddy since that'd be too obvious), and I doubt Firebringer's a werewolf. This is mainly a gut thing, but I don't think Firebringer takes the stances Fire has if scum.
624 makes Flubber slightly less likely to be a vampire, and combined with ABR's iso makes Flubber overall look like town, but this is weak. His play looks decently town enough, so given these interactions, I don't think he should be touched.
I'm reading Dominator's iso right now, and I actually see it as being fairly town. Dominator is, undeniably, a lurker. Furthermore, Dominator has given virtually zero content. However, if you read between the lines, what content Dominatorhasgiven does vaguely look town. (It takes a minimalist to read a minimalist?) He had reads which matched mine: wrong, but existing scumreads on PC and Bebop, as well as a scumread on Errant. 520, the oft-talked-about post, is a line that comes from scum more often than town, but Dominator's explanation in 524 looks really town, especially given the callout of the scum being mafia. (When...they're actually werewolves and vampires.) While the presence on the Wanderer wagon doesn't add much, I think that 784/785 are posts an unafraid town player would make. (Similarly, 718 looks town for the same reason.)
hi im Yakko is someone that I'mconsideringfor being scum. There's nothing in that iso off of the flips we have so far to suggest Yakko isn't scum...merely my speculation on texcat. However, while I admit it's possible for Yakko to be scum, right now I don't think it quite as likely as other options. I want to take a more detailed look at Yakko's iso to get better thoughts there.
Then we get into my more serious scumreads: texcat and Errantparabola. Let's do Errant first:
Errant is, very much, a player staying in the background, and trying to take a "back seat" to wagons. Errant's not a Wanderer scumbuddy, for posts like 266, but is my main candidate right now for being a Werewolf.
texcat's my primary candidate for being a vampire. 270 is texcat defending Wanderer-nl. 271 as well. 284 agrees Wanderer is weak, but texcat does nothing, with her vote still on Errant. Furthermore, come D2, and you get things like 719 and 752/753 where texcat is trying to wagon every playerexceptfor Wanderer-nl.
Furthermore, texcat fits the profile of lurking scum not drawing attention to themselves: texcat has given virtually zero content this game, and what little is there has been largely focused on specific players, just like ABR and Wanderer-nl.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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*facepalm*Squirrelly wrote:I have Flubber and firebringer as scum. I'm going with who I see more likely scum here.
Read my posts, please?
This game's multiball, you have scum interactions to go off of.
texcat is, clearly, 100% a vampire.
Errant's not nearly as clear a Werewolf, but is a probable suspect.
It's possible if the game's 3v3 (or texcat to not be a vampire), but that requires you to be scum. :PErrantparabola wrote:What are your thoughts on Yakko being a potential vampire, Ranger?
Lynch the player most likely to be scum. It doesn't matter which faction.Do you think, since we've lynched a vampire PR but a werewolf goon, that werewolves pose a bigger threat? Do you think that we should try our luck with lynching a werewolf over a vampire? Or should we stick with lynching the vampires because you have more solid reads on them
Since texcat is the player most likely to be scum, we should lynch texcat.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Because Errant is trying to buddy me.Always Innocent wrote:Why is Ranger more definitely town than the rest of us?
^Why we should be lynching texcat.Dominator wrote:But then again there was only 1 scum again last night O_o
The role speculation is stupid; we have solid play evidence that suggests texcat is a vampire, so we should lynch there and worry about potential werewolves tomorrow.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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This is the cutest image ever.Prodding Firebringer
At least 2:2, could potentially be up to 3:3, but probably not; 2:2 or 2:3 most likely. Particularly, 2:3 given vampires flipped PR and werewolves flipped goon.Squirrelly wrote:Ranger and errant what are your thought on number of scum in game faction wise?
Since when?Yakko wrote:Off the top of my head I remember having squirrel as town and ranger as well. I don't mind follwing them.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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No, Errant's my best guess for werewolf.Firebringer wrote:You think Errant is scum vampire then?
texcat's the vampire, and probably a smaller faction at that, so could potentially be eliminating a faction with that lynch.
Yes, we have these incriminating interactions in addition to texcat fitting the same posting profile as ABR and Wanderer: focusing only on specific players and not providing much reason behind their pushes, with a low post count.Always Innocent wrote:What do we have on Texcat, though?
She seemed to deflect from Wanderer.
An insincere sounding congratulatory post.
Emphasizing consistency, for voting Errant again. Not sure why we need to know.
But how is this a solid case?
If that isn't enough for you, then I'm sorry, you need to seriously rethink how you play; it's rock-solid evidence.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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If we want to go, "but it could be you!", then I could just as easily say, but it could be you. :PAlways Innocent wrote:I suppose you're right about that, but often there is one active scum member guiding the game, and that could be you.
Not really a good argument to avoid voting texcat.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. You people have no clue how much the RVS reveals. I'm planning on going over it again some time soon to see if I can get anything.Somehow she was already speculating about Wanderer being scum.
Absolutely not. ABR was getting lynched, period. Why would I feel the need to join? I spent my time productively. There's nothing suspicious about voting confirmed scum.It seems like she cared more about appearances than just getting confirmed scum lynched. Perhaps she thought that jumping on the wagon would make her suspicious?
You'll note ABR hammered himself to cut off discussion for the day, something I was engaging in at the time.
Yes, it would be the best for any alignment. Meaning me not doing it is...voting for Albert B. was the best thing for any alignment.
...What, exactly?
What do you think it was?
Because I've explained my reasoning.
Not providing reasoning by itself is not the crime. It's not providing reasoning whiletexcat wrote:"Not providing much reason"? As opposed to you, who provides readlists with no reasons?being focused on only specific players. When I gave my readslist, that was me giving a spreadsheet of the whole game. When you've given not much reasoning, you've...done so on a select few players. One or two. You're refusing to take stances on more players. Combine that with a low post count and low activity, and you've got why you are scum.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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(I should mention Firebringer is almost definitely town for me now.)AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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One of these things is not like the other.Always Innocent wrote:Squirrelly: actively scumhunting, so town
Ranger: the evil mastermind; it is easy to be deceived by her, she knows how to be convincing as scum (but there are some tells)
(You're tunneling.)
And therein lies the problem. You don't trust me, yet everything you've said is reason for me to be town. You're blatantly saying I'm scum, off of what amounts to paranoia.I just don't trust you.
Vote texcat. Eliminate vampires. If you think I'm a werewolf, fine. But it will be easier to scumhunt if the vampires are killed off first.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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You know, the last time you said this, I was scum.Errantparabola wrote:Fmpov, ranger and i is clearly tvt. Ive responded to all of her arguments. But ive learned that sometimes there's no convincing her. So i decided im not going to clog up the thread begging her to townread me.
What makes you think that I'm not scum this time so strongly?
(I actually am willing to reconsider my read on you. Right now, it's things like this and POE that have you as a werewolf.)AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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I'm willing to consider that option tomorrow, but today, we should really be lynching texcat.Squirrelly wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flubber
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Off of the RVS posts, I am heavily considering ZZZX for scum, particularly werewolf; I don't think Yakko is scum, especially not a vampire.
I'm looking and Errant does still look like a possible werewolf, however, most strongly, texcat's posts stick out like a sore thumb.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Flubber is possible scum (but there are other possibilities, namely, ZZZX and Errantparabola), but texcat's guaranteed scum.Squirrelly wrote:How about flubber today, texcat tomorrow, due to lack of time and there's already a few votes on flubber?
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I'd much rather lynch texcat first.
Especially given that lynching Flubber will almost certainly not eliminate a faction, whereas lynching texcat almost guarantees eliminating a faction.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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