Blitz 12: Double Trouble! (Game Over)

[Firebringer]

Id rather not participate in RVS, just to create a point of discussion for you guys to talk about.

<3

[Firebringer]

To appease firebringer, I am talking about the fact that he doesn't want to participate in RVS. Ok, Cool. VOTE: Titus because I'm a grinch.

I can't be appeased you peasant.

[Firebringer]

Just looking at that vote count on me.

I am impresssed, who else besides maybe titus would have this many votes on them this early?

I amaze myself, I haven't even done anything

[Firebringer]

Oh gawd not errantparabola. Please don't let him live to mylo/lylo. pleaseeee

Ummm what game?
I don't think I have had a recent scum win.
Wait are you talking about me even?

[Firebringer]

there's no town motivation for making it.
Fire made a post that talked about himself. How does that move the game forward?
I also have extremely minor problems with the cavalier attitude (is it faked?) but that can be ignored for now because that could be just playstyle.

Errant, you are giving me scum vibes already.

Whats going on here?

[Firebringer]

My gut likes it. My head doesn't. Why do you not?

Stop pretending you can gut read me Titus, you always buddy me as scum and I don't trust you anymore. >.>

[Firebringer]

Are you being intentionally dense fire?

Nope, much love Yakko, much love.

[Firebringer]

*farts*

VOTE: Firebringer

Thats much better.

[Firebringer]

Literally agree with all of this but AI is too high, Squirrely is too low, and I should be town.

You should never be in anyones town pool.

#StillSalty.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Wanderer-nl
For various reasons.

[Firebringer]

@firebringer those posts are weaksauce, why are you active lurking?

I am having trouble getting into the game and nobody is pinging me.

Not even all the votes on me actually gave me anything, just gave me a few chuckles.

How you doing though?

[Firebringer]

Vote Phantom.

No, I like being a rebel.
Down with the established wagons!!!

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Phantom Cobalt

[Firebringer]

Then I wonder what the various reasons you had for voting me were.

VOTE: Phantom

Will get deeper into my Always-scumread tonight when I have more time.

I just wanted to say hi, and the vote was the only way I knew how to do it without making it weird.

thanks for making it weird though.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer is a scum read at this point. I'm used to him being more active and fluffy as town

I agree with all of these points.
10/10

Would recommend.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Phantom
L-1

Thats a hammer vote?
My vote was already on PHantom.

[Firebringer]

Guys I am V/LA site wide till Wednesday.

[Firebringer]

Titus is probably scum.
VOTE: Titus

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Wanderer

I guess we don't have much time left.

Dom admits he is lurking and does nothing about it. I don't like that one bit.

Weak vote and reasoning.
We doing another just end of day "welp we gotta lynch someone"
I am getting over that shtick.

Not feeling townie or scummy on Wanderer but nobody has convinced me Titus is town. Would rather unpeal that bandage now.

[Firebringer]

Then I discovered MafiaScum.

Welcome to disappointment central.
Next stop lurker city.

[Firebringer]

Why do you put all that text in spoilers?

Thats odd.

And of course Titus was killed >.>

[Firebringer]

Wow so this day started really fast...

VOTE: Flubbernugget

[Firebringer]

I can't believe how wrong I was on Wanderer, ABR was more null to me.

So yeah....Ranger and Errant feel town.

[Firebringer]

Stop poking the dragon!!!

All I can do Is phone post because some reason my browser hates ms on this stupid Mac.

I am staying on flubber .

[Firebringer]

Holy shit, I only have 24 posts in this game.

I need more fluff posts to bring this to my stellar reputation of my usual games.

[Firebringer]

Ranger lets talk. I am town reading you.

You think Errant is scum vampire then?

[Firebringer]

Hey Always Innocent, why you thinking Ranger is not town?
Which seems to be where you have been going recently.

[Firebringer]

If that isn't enough for you, then I'm sorry, you need to seriously rethink how you play; it's rock-solid evidence.

Being sorry is a scum tell!!!

#HalfLife3Confirmed

[Firebringer]

But how is this a solid case?

I feel like I need to review the solid case we had on Wanderer....

[Firebringer]

Those all seem like things that actually make her town though.
Like the phrasing used by her doesn't suggest she knows alignments. What scum would say they wouldn't lynch a scum buddy if desperate? Its just horribly incriminating if they get lynched...

Unless diff scum teams obviously.

[Firebringer]

Dunno. Maybe because she didn't want me or another asshole to criticize her jumping on a bandwagon. Except that I wouldn't be able to do anything, because voting for Albert B. was the best thing for any alignment.

I mean if you are scum, you know town is going to ISO you eventually. You can't just sneak in weird comments about players without it catching your eyes, right?

Like you will hide affiliations. That isn't hiding that is openly saying "I am not voting this person unless i have to" which on the surface looks incredibly bad.

Now would Ranger do that so openly as scum? Yes or No.

If you think yes, don't you think she would also push harder against the wagon forming?

At least thats what I would do. Which I kinda did, but I really didn't see wanderer as scummy.

[Firebringer]

Who knows though, I could be wrong about Ranger like I was about Wanderer, I was more null on Wanderer though.

I like to have more time on reading her. She is tricky to me sometimes.

[Firebringer]

Always Innocent, you are an interesting one.
Not so sure on you mate.

Someone as active as you i should have had strong sense on, and that last post gave me scum vibes.

Thoughts on that?

[Firebringer]

1. I voted for Wanderer before it was cool. So I am not a vampire.
2. I voted for Albert B. before it was cool. So I am not a werewolf.

Neither of these were cool.

I don't see how being at the front of the train makes you confirmed town.
We also had a town cop with a guilty on ABR so that was kind of a no brainer.

[Firebringer]

I mean, you have high chance of being town based off events, but somethings you have said have looked odd.

Meh, w/e your playstyle just looks odd to me I guess.

[Firebringer]

Anyway. Enough about me. Let's talk about you. How are you not scum?

Nothing specifically.

I could probably formulate more reasons for me being scum than me not being if I were to being objective about it.

But in true Firebringer fashion Ill give you a good classic snarky response

"My role pm says Town"

[Firebringer]

Could you give a read list or something? If you are town, then it is important that we can read you, so that we do not have to waste any lynch on you. It also helps PoE.

I think I have been open with my thoughts so far. If I haven't mentioned a player as being town I am reading them as null or scum.

Do you want a formal list or something?

[Firebringer]

I guess it would go something like:

Ranger
ErrantParabola
You
Then Everyone Else.

[Firebringer]

Could you put some more effort into reading other people? This is not really a complete list. It does not even include half of the people. Townreading people is easier than scumreading people.

I could, but I don't want to.

CONFLICTING INTERESTS HERE!!!

If I had to go more indepth it would be:

Null
Hi Im Yakko
Squirrelly
Texcat
ZZZX
TheDominator37
Flubbernugget
Scum

So sad my scum are more people who aren't as active.
Kind of how it usually is though. Well not always, but definitely feels like it for this game.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer, I find it odd that you townread both Ranger and Errant, and rank them higher than me.

Well you are only town because situationally you look townie.
I get more natural feeling that Ranger and Errant are town than you.

Your posts give me weird vibes but that seems possibly your playstyle.
You're a odd duck is what I am saying.

[Firebringer]

I don't get the "scummy vibes". Why do Ranger and Errant feel more natural to you? I just don't get it.

Gut.

I am too tired to keep up this conversation with you, I will have more to say about this game tomorrow. I need sleep right now, its like 7:00 AM and I haven't slept.

Bye.

[Firebringer]

I'm not having a lot of time but I know I explained my scum read on Flubber before and firebringer is essential lurking more then normal for a blitz game.
Plus is you read wander ISO she calls firebringer scum then drops the read quickly with no reason, that's why I see firebringer scum.

I'm null with zzzx, Dom and texcat.
I disagree with AI's scum read on ranger.

Kind of weak reasoning on me, I mean I guess its an association read but it really doesn't make sense.

You want to try explaining why you think Wanderer was dropping the scum read a bit?
You said was for 'no reason' but I can think of a reason she would do it as scum.

[Firebringer]

Why would she do it?

Maybe I am misremembering events but I was townreading Wanderer at some point. Or at least pushing against her, was that around when she dropped it?

No idea.

[Firebringer]

Bad wording, I mean pushing against the train on her.

[Firebringer]

I guess Squirrelly was right after all.

On what?

[Firebringer]

Why did you defend Wanderer when she was in danger of being lynched?

Cause I didn't see a strong case on her being scum.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: AlwaysGuilty

You messed up the name a bit there buddy.

[Firebringer]

10 hours to go and the biggest wagon is L-3.

So you are saying lets lynch Flubber?

I approve.

[Firebringer]

Ugh you are all bad.
VOTE: Texcat

Lucky I just woke up from a coma.

[Firebringer]

I don't feel as strongly as Tex flipping scum, at the end it was lynch or no lynch and I kind of just thought having a lynch right now would be better.

Tex was null for me. So meh.

[Firebringer]

I don't like the Flubber lynch at this moment.....
Seems to easy.

Might need to relook at Ranger because of those flips from night.

[Firebringer]

I'm not a WW, I'm town. So Firebringer is a WW.

What?

[Firebringer]

Inconsistency on flubber is something that I'd REALLY like fire to explain. This is a key point in my read and your explanation matters a lot to my read, fire.

I said I didn't want to lynch flubber because everyone was into it and I don't like majority opinion.

[Firebringer]

I wouldn't mind claiming. But we can go ahead and do popcorn thing.

I am currious on Errant, Errant been looking town all game for me and that just screams odd to me for some reason.

[Firebringer]

villager

firebringer

scum slip, their is no villager role.

[Firebringer]

If firebringer isn't a WW, it means the ENTIRE WW team was on the WW wagon.

Is that likely?

Why would WW kill Ranger you think?

Cause by this point, that frames me already.
Someone points to that be like "Huh, well that your saying he was bussed by BOTH teammates"?

[Firebringer]

Mod used the term twice.

You ruined the test.

Its on the 2nd post too.

>.>

[Firebringer]

What's your role Fire?

Villager 2.0

[Firebringer]

Errant your turn.

[Firebringer]

So the team that makes the most sense to me right now is Kaboose and Hi Im Yakko.

But even that I am feeling is off.

I feel too safe with Errant. Which I don't think I am used to...

[Firebringer]

Fire just hasn't done anything this game and sometimes I do caught him scum hunting which is why I'm bugged by him.

Your scum.

There, I scum hunted brah.

[Firebringer]

Your a dumb ass.

There I made a point.


Why does errant bug you?

I have only strong town read Errant in one game, and Errant was scum in it.

Other games I had scum vibes.

But yeah, I am generally a moron. But not for the reasons your thinking.

[Firebringer]

Can I vote now?

You could always vote!

Don't let these facists dictate your actions.

[Firebringer]

I approve the spirit behind your vote, but not the vote itself.

[Firebringer]

So Hi Im Yakko if I am not scum, may I ask who you think is?

[Firebringer]

May I phone a friend?

You have used up all your life lines except for 50/50

[Firebringer]

Reviewing yakko's ISO, there's a lot of references/questions to FB in the first half of the game. It really stuck out as FB was very quiet in the first half of the game. When each gave reads, they put the other right smack dab in the null section. I'm concerned that yakko/fb are scum and the vote is a bus.

This is why I like Pers, always knows whats going on.

[Firebringer]

Kaboose is only one I want lynched today, I still think tis possible Yakko is town and Errant is the other scum.

[Firebringer]

Everyone has posted after I voted. Its not possible that fire is town.

Scum I find actually rarely quick hammer.
Unless its just 1 scum.

2 scum they don't do it, for fear of being baited out, unless they are the only ones on.

At least from my experience it is.

[Firebringer]

Did you just make fun of me?

What?

How did you come to that conclusion?

[Firebringer]

WTF, in our last game you were town, put a vote up in lylo, and scum quickhammered.

You can't compare one game to general trends.

90% of games, scum don't do that. Usually because they don't have the opportunity to do so and are in general scared to do so.

[Firebringer]

Maybe you cant

I mean you can, but I don't see it being a particular strong case.

I feel like most scum would just wait and build up that case of "Ohhh nobody voted on it, must be because this guy is scum" and then if you wait long enough it might convince at least 1 town or just get town confidant enough when scum do vote there they don't unvote.

[Firebringer]

I guess its time to place a vote somewhere.
VOTE: Kaboose

Now to play the waiting game.

[Firebringer]

Yeah, the yakko stuff to FB, but without return from FB

What are you even talking about?

[Firebringer]

If you don't know...why not? We're down to 5 people and are likely in lylo. Aren't you reading ISOs looking for relationships?

I don't like reading players relationships, I don't find it actually useful for scumhunting.

Everytime I try to hunt for scum using relationships, I am always burned.

[Firebringer]

This came up before and you responded to it. Now you act as if it's the first you've heard of it. Why?

I was more of talking about how you assumed it was a bus, and I know it isn't a bus, but w/e.

[Firebringer]

Based on Yakko logic, I guess Kaboose has to be scum too.

[Firebringer]

I fail in a LYLO? Should have known going with majority on Kaboose was a bad idea.

I had a bad feeling of Errant but didn't want to lynch today.

Ehhh w/e gg guys.

[Firebringer]

I officially suck at mafia, i need to take some break from games...I have not been getting any better, only getting worse.

[Firebringer]

I am kind of peeved that scum have day chat, and pisskop never said that to begin with.

Really makes me annoyed at this LYLO situation more.

[Firebringer]

Don't feel bad FB, I think the lynch was always going to be me or scum. Nothing you did wrong.

I honestly should be better in LYLO, lately i haven't been doing good. Normally LYLO I nail scum with my vote, I don't like this game.

This reminds me Equinox game where I voted I think Catboi and kept tunneling and OceanWind played exactly same game as his previous scum game with me (and I said so) and I voted Catboi in LYLO and lost. >.>

[Firebringer]

Why would I have mentioned daychat?

Because closed setups are troll.

[Firebringer]

oh? you has ocean scumgame? I can haz link?

Here (2 diff games)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=64076
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=63699

Whats funny is that Ocean used the first link to try to prove they were town for the second game, and I called him out that he was playing exactly the same lol.

[Firebringer]

Multiballs are always going to be swingy and semi rely on scum hitting each other, thats how its always been.

If you been looking for the best balance games, its not going to be in multiball.

Just how the game is.

[Firebringer]

I think Pisskop just likes putting too much scum in his games
I mean 35% of the players in this were scum.

Thats pretty darn high.

Probably should be more around 15-25%

[Firebringer]

Remember Kingmaker Pisskop?
4 out of 11 players are scum. Not just that, but on one team.

Thats 36% of the player base.

[Firebringer]

3 were scum there. Are you sure

you

remember?

I CAN"T REMEMBER ANYTHING!

[Firebringer]

Not really, the setup itself wasn't bad, I just think the numbers were off.

[Firebringer]

No, thats who I am.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer voted without consensus

The consensus was actually on Kaboose, if anything I should have ignored that and voted Errant.