Blitz 15: Monks and Masons in Serona II - GAME OVER!

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Please note: I am using an automated vote counter to generate the vote counts. There could be a glitch here or there. Please let me know if you notice any votes that are missed or incorrectly assigned.

This is very cool!

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One of the player names is causing the vote counter application to hiccup. Bear with me while I work with Thesp to see if this can be resolved.

That must be Ümlaut. Damn diacritics. They always cause problems in software.

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Therefore...

VOTE: Ümlaut

For breaking software.

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Is AIs Punctuality town or scum? Or is the correct adjective eagerness?

I would say it's not alignment indicative.

I am town, though.

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Ranger, what is your reason for townreading Yakko and pisskop?

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Why are so many people taking the RVS votes seriously?

Trying to keep us inside RVS, eh?

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No, I just don't understand the reasons people gave for why they believe people are town or scum

If you say so, Yagami Raito.

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You're misrepping me completely.

I quoted yours because I wanted to know what language Kaboose=Nightmare

I quoted BeBop to apologize for the mispelling.

I quoted tojam because they took my vote seriously.

NOTHING I said was defensive. The closest is my question to tojam BECAUSE he took it seriously.

Why didn't you just ask what language it was?

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Kaboose is already at L-2? That went surprisingly fast...

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Does that upset you?

It's weird.

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This is my first Blitz that I've been in from the start, second overall. I don't know if even I find it weird given the much shorter deadlines.

What's weird about it to you?

You don't find it weird at all? Odd. Considering the fact that you are close to getting lynched in this stage.

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Am I wrong in thinking things move faster in this game? That's why I'm not seeing it as weird. We need to have wagons.

Quit calling stuff weird and odd if you're not going to explain why you think it's that. You're just waiting for people to come agree with your vagueness and do the work for you.

No. I am just pointing out that something is fishy about this. You seem to awfully comfortable with this situation, though. Which is also weird.

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This is my first Blitz that I've been in from the start, second overall. I don't know if even I find it weird given the much shorter deadlines.

What's weird about it to you?

You don't find it weird at all? Odd. Considering the fact that you are close to getting lynched in this stage.

Whats weird about being in L2?

Like I said, the current stage of the game usually does not allow for such a big wagon.

and why you think he is going to get lynched so fast?

I said he is closed to getting lynched.

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Am I wrong in thinking things move faster in this game? That's why I'm not seeing it as weird. We need to have wagons.

Quit calling stuff weird and odd if you're not going to explain why you think it's that. You're just waiting for people to come agree with your vagueness and do the work for you.

No. I am just pointing out that something is fishy about this. You seem to awfully comfortable with this situation, though. Which is also weird.

I'm kind of agreed with the second part. His response about the wagon is so weird.

but scummy weird? can you talk about it?

I don't know if it is scummy weird. I wouldn't be so comfortable with so many votes. I also don't know why Kaboose is attacking

me

for questioning the wagon instead of the people jumping on the wagon. Apparently he is fine with the wagon.

Oh, well. Whatever.

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Could switch to Kaboose, but Spigot has no reason to townread me so they're still scum, too.

LOL Ranger says I have no reason to town read her but there is apparently enough content from RVS for her to lay out a reads list here.

Town read revoked.

~Spiffy

I wasn't so sure about your random reads, but this post seems genuine enough for a slight townread.

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So voting for Spigot is probably a bad idea for the time being.

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I wasn't so sure about your random reads, but this post seems genuine enough for a slight townread.

If you don't like random reads why didn't you say anything about Ranger's full reads list?

~Spiffy

I did criticize her hypocritical post.

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: Bebop

Needs to come out and play.

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Don't metaread Ranger. She manipulates her meta.

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I don't think Yakko has done anything particularly scummy at this point. He has said some nonsensical things, but he is probably just trying to get the game going.

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Kaboose's non-defense does not overwhelm, nor does AI's fear of joining the wagon. One of these two has to be scum.

Lol. I don't know about Kaboose. And yes, I do prefer not joining a wagon at L-2 so recklessly. Although Kaboose's latest posts did make me consider voting for him, but I am not sure if we can really say if it means anything.

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Kaboose's non-defense does not overwhelm, nor does AI's fear of joining the wagon. One of these two has to be scum.

Lol. I don't know about Kaboose. And yes, I do prefer not joining a wagon at L-2 so recklessly. Although Kaboose's latest posts did make me consider voting for him, but I am not sure if we can really say if it means anything.

Who, then? We don't have forever. Your vote is basically a random/lurkervote (or is it?).

Yes. It is a lurker vote.

We have around 3 days and 8 hours left. We can do better than this.

Countdown: 3 days, 8 hours, 1 minute

If you don't like the kaboosewagon help create your own. I haven't seen you do that.

I am voting for Bebop at the moment. Is that not a wagon?

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Why do you have a town-lean on Ranger?

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Disagreeing hydra heads. How are supposed to get a read on that?

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Why do you have a town-lean on Ranger?

Its almost nothing, but we've seen him do this insane early reads thing before, and 48 attacked one of the more awkward things about 39 which was spigot's town read on ranger.

Yes, we've seen it before, so it was null, according to you. But now she is town according to you?

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Also, Ranger is a she, not a he. According to her profile.

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Ranger, that's not an explanation why Yakko is town. That is simply reasserting your read.

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Ranger, there is no difference between your town and scum game? Impossible. Town and scum have opposing win conditions which necessitates different play.

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No. Not regardless of alignment. It always depends on alignment.

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I have strong townreads on yakko, ranger, and pisskop. And to a lesser degree, blackstar.

I'm still on kaboose... and frankly, the fact that it's hard to get this wagon over the top (and that it's being supported by inactives) makes me think I'm in the right place. I will move if needed, but I haven't seen any compelling cases, except possibly for spigot. What's the case for bebop again?

He is a lurker. That is all.

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I wouldn't vote Spigot yet. Ranger's case is pretty weak.

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@kaboose hey whats up?

Oh nothing, what's up with you?

Not much

Do you hace a reads list? I would like it.

I don't have a reads list yet. I would like to have one. It's getting pretty close to that time to have one though. I need to ISO everyone to get reads, and I haven't done that yet. It's on the to do list. Probably can get it for you tonight since you'd like to have it.

You seem very eager to appease Yakko.

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Ranger kind of did a similar play to that in the last game she played but I wouldn't call it town so much as typical but I haven't seen a scumgame of hers and maybe ika can help with that.

I have two completed: Blitz 1 and Blitz 7. However, it should be noted I was slightly V/LA for Blitz 1, and Blitz 7 was highly atypical of my game, period, because it was an entire game filled with apathy.

Not a great sample size.

I'm content with being a perpetual null-read overall as a result.

Agree with Lowell's 54. This is exactly where my mind is at this point in the game. Town points here so far.

Indeed, which is why he (and you) are strong townreads of mine now. (I need to update the list to reflect that.)

I don't think someone who is town should be content with the other townies not being able to read them.

I agree. This is very concerning.

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Why are you voting for me, Yakko?

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Why are you voting for me, Yakko?

You make me feel some type of way and you're scum. Mostly the first one though.

I make you feel in a certain way? <3

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UNVOTE: Bebop
VOTE: Ranger

Null my ass.

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Meh. I think Yakko is town.

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How nice of you! Surely such a nice person cannot be scum.

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I almost forgot this game was multiball.

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How nice of you! Surely such a nice person cannot be scum.

Phone post.
I gladly accept your town read. Thank you.

These comments only make me want to vote for you.

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I sort of agree with Yakko. Multi ball scum will more likely passively hunt for other scum, if at all.

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I mean in the public thread. They are more likely to do it in private.

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I mean in the public thread. They are more likely to do it in private.

No. Theyll talk to each other in private sure, but how exactly do you think they get the imformations to make the decision? By interacting, pushing to varying degrees, and asking questions, and reaction testing.

I think there is a tendency for that, but you have to take the other tendency (to withhold information from the town and not wanting to be exposed to the town) into account as well.

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Im leaning towards believing Yakko, but at the same time if the other scum team decided to take him out I wouldn't cry over that milk

AA Im a little concerned over, but we'll see how it comes out.

Looking at his ISO, I understand your concern about Anxiety Attack.

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Well At least I didn't. Although AI said he was forgetting? Interesting

It means I am confirmed town!

Nah. I genuinely forgot about it. But of course, it could be that I am scum and that I forgot about the other scum faction... Or that I am just lying about it.

So yeah, feel free to interpret this how you want.

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Well At least I didn't. Although AI said he was forgetting? Interesting

It means I am confirmed town!

Nah. I genuinely forgot about it. But of course, it could be that I am scum and that I forgot about the other scum faction... Or that I am just lying about it.

So yeah, feel free to interpret this how you want.

You realize Inwas going to do that anyways.

Not without my permission.

Why is ranger scum again?

I mainly want to get a better read on her. I am not saying I am sure she is scum.

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Probably going to switch my vote to Anxiety Attack, though.

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Not a huge scum indicator, but enough for me to want to vote for her at this point. She said (paraphrasing): "I am always null. I am fine with that." See post #178. That doesn't seem very pro-town to me.

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Post #179, sorry.

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Don't vote Yakko. I think he is town.

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VOTE: Anxiety Attack

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@bebop (too lazy to find quote)-

I unvoted kaboose because he told me he was town, which, strangely, I sort of felt that was a townish post. Mostly though I moved because I liked what ranger said about spigot.

I am, btw, willing to concede that my reasoning for unvoting defies rational explanation (call it gut), so I am in no way or form clearing kaboose completely. While I'm not sure he's the best wagon anymore, I would be willing to lynch him if it came to that.

I can accept that. Still don't like it though.

VOTE: Yakko

Perhaps you missed my question or misunderstood. why did you vote me when you made your reads list what reason was their for waiting?

As I said in my post, I see you as anti-town, not necessarily scum. I'd rather see a lynch on one of lowell, kaboose or spigot. I voted for you because I don't think the wagons on the others are going to go through today, and you are still firmly in my "willing to lynch" category.

AI, why are you scum reading anxiety attack?

He commented a lot, but doesn't contribute much. I think he is a better candidate than any of the current wagons.

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Nice opportunism, Ranger.

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Nice opportunism, Ranger.

If you think its opportunism why your not voting him?

I am not switching my vote

every single time

when something new happens. It is also an invitation for Ranger to explain herself.

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Oh, right. We only have 14 hours left. But I am not a fan of the current major wagons. Well, I have a null-read on BlackStar, but a town-read on Yakko.

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So why a null on black?

Because I don't really have a good read on him?

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What part of his iso is not producing a read; and what about the stuff he ignores is null?

If Im the hung over one why arre you the one who can brain today?

What part of his ISO is not producing a read? If there was

any

part of his ISO producing a read, then I would have talked about it. What does he ignore?

He just seems annoyed, either as town or scum. I don't know. I would be more willing to vote for him than Yakko, though.

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One thing is noteworthy: if BlackStar is scum, then why does he not push for a Yakko lynch? He seems to vote for Ranger as if he cares more about being right than saving his own skin.

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I dont like you compromising and rhetoricing me.

Id think you, specifically, could be scum and Id you to catch a bullet tonight.

What did I do wrong this time?

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If you can convince me, then I might vote for him.

'THIS' time?

Im confuse. Do I scumread you evey game or is that straw see poking out of your arm?

No, people are just always overanalyzing my posts and thinking I am scummy because of it.

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ffs

'if you can convince me'

For all the overposting and thinking you do that gets you scumread you cant figure out why I dont need to convince you?

This is why youre my special little scum read.

So you're scumreading me because I can't figure out everything? Okay.

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Instead of being proactive youre going to be all like 'oh heys, deadline guiz. Guess I have NO CHOICE even though I had a whole day to make my own wagon off whater would '

convince

' me and instead I sat withmy thumb under my bum. Opps; oh wells

That's an awful misrepresentation of what I say and do.

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Yakko, Spigot and Pisskop are town-leaning for me.

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I don't really have one yet. But I think that you're town. You're actively trying to figure out everyone's motivation and questioning them. I don't agree with a lot of the things you're saying, but at least you're doing your best to find scum. I can't tell if Kaboose is town or not. It looks to me like Bebop and tojam are trying to fly under the radar.

OMG

Then he says Yakko is town WHILE VOTING FOR HIM. HIS VOTE HAS NEVER LEFT YAKKO FROM RVS. He's trying to appease here, only concerned about himself and hasn't done an ounce of scum hunting.

I would vote for him here but idk where the VC is at. I probably will when I'm done catching up.

~Spiffy

Hm. That is an interesting find. It did take him a while to change his vote to Ranger.

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Bs, kaboose, always innocent, umlaut? Maybe him. I'm fairly confident there was two if not three scum on my wagon.

I wasn't on your wagon.

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Fine. I guess it is better than Yakko.

VOTE: BlackStar

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Even if there are some signs that someone is scum in RVS, then it still won't be much better than chance. I think a large part of it is superstition.

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I am dropping my slight scumread on Anxiety Attack.

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Umlaut has been kind of quiet, which is the opposite of how he was the last time we played together.

This is actually a pretty sensible point.

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Although Ümlaut has been V/LA for 4 days.

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I got the feeling you were new, and while that does give me pause Im not sure theres even time to make a new wagon.

We have 9 hours. Who do you suggest?

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What is happening right now?? Everyone is randomly voting for me without giving any reasons.

So I'm

pretty

sure this is a scum reaction to getting wagoned, but I'm not absolutely positive. My scumreads on Kaboose and Spigot are stronger, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut...I'm willing to risk it.

Vote: BlackStar

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This post is so bad

~Spiffy

So guys, what do you think about Ranger's post.

Scummy.

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But it seems she is in VLA. I never kill someone in VLA.

There is nothing wrong with lynching someone in V/LA, as long as you don't lynch someone

because

they are in V/LA.

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UNVOTE: BlackStar

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UNVOTE: BlackStar

I expect a vote and a reason due to the remaining time. a simple unvote means your scum who wants to achieve a no lynch

Don't worry. We can lynch Ranger.

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But it seems she is in VLA. I never kill someone in VLA.

Anyone else worried about FA saying "kill" instead of "lynch"?

Just something for a future day as I still think BlackStar is a good lynch today.

That doesn't worry me as much as her defense of Ranger.

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I'm not so sure if BlackStar is scum.

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Meh. I am starting to think that BlackStar is town and that he just reacts badly to pressure.

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Meh. I am starting to think that BlackStar is town and that he just reacts badly to pressure.

No, this isnt a new sentiment from you, and youre risking a NoLynch by being this way.

We need to lynch someone who is less likely to be town.

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oh hey. We also have 8 hours.

Like whom. Its cute you repeated put that onus on me, but youre the one under the lens atm.

How about this guy?

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Yes.

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VOTE: tojam2

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I do not like a town flip, which is what I suspect will happen.

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BS flip will grant a massive information about other players,

his flip ... not so much

In that case, I guess I'm alright with getting lynched.

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So we will sort him in day 2. when he got more active. this is not a place for policy lynches.

D1 is perfect for policy lynches, instead of lynching likely town players.

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I'm not a big fan of lynching inactives. They are low info. lynches that tell us nothing and almost every singe time I've lynched a lurker, they turn out to be town. I also don't like flash wagoning people close to deadline for the same reason. If Blackstar is town, we analyze the wagon next day and figure out the scum pushing it.

Nonsense. They tell a lot about how players interact.

I really hate the way AI is forcing us to a NL situation and I don't like most of his wishy washy posting this game.

I am not "forcing" any NL.

His wagon avoidance behavior is scummy and similar to how I've behaved as scum before trying to avoid VCA.

Hey, guess what? I am not you.

If you expect to lynch a townie, and only continue to lynch them because you think it will offer "information", then you are

doing it wrong

.

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I guess I was wrong about Spigot. It actually seemed to me that he was actively scumhunting and revising his beliefs.

I am currently townreading Yakko, Pisskop and Kaboose.

Scumlean on tojam2. I don't like how tojam2 has barely contributed anything to the game, and instead of hunting for scum, they tell people to ask them questions. Naturally people will ask you questions. You can expect this. No need to ask for it. If you wonder why people are scumreading you, ask them why specifically. Their attitude is too defensive IMO.

VOTE: tojam2

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Requesting VC.

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Yeah. I didn't want to lynch a townie, so I opposed the BlackStar Lynch. I did however offer an alternative. A better alternative for sure.

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I have a gut scumread on toejam. His vote on Kaboose was opportunistic and bad plus he comes off as scum avoiding the thread and only putting prod doge type of posts here. He's not interacting w anyone or scumhunting.

~SW

This.

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I would liek to hear an argument on why this lynch is "too easy"

like thats the weakest reaosn of anything

i have a lesser scum read on AI right now but its not vote worthy

That is just a non-argument, of course.

People also seem to have weird ideas about what constitutes information and how important it is. Information is important, but the highest priority should always be lynching scum.

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see this is why AI could be scum.....

like i give an argument that saying something is "too easy" is bad thinking to begin with and that you need to expand apoun it (like dave has done) but the endpoint is that scum is scum. we lynch it. we think hes scum so he gets lynched

trying to stop what looks "easy" is shit reasoning and i will shit on it all day

I agree, but why does what make me scum?

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You dont seem your full expressive towny self.

How so? Simply because I talk less? Because I jumped off the wagon on BlackStar?

And since you frankly talk so much I expect you would be capable of 'leading' the discussion

Not necessarily leading, but yeah, I would try to manipulate the votes.

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Having read my own ISO, I feel like I should talk less. I sort of get why people are scumreading me. My mouth is too big. In a few posts I was advising against a Spigot lynch, which seems awfully scummy.

My basic idea was that townreading people should be more reliable than scumreading people (I still believe this). However, I became unjustifiably confident about some of my reads, as Spigot's scum flip proves. Even to the point of defending him, making it almost seem like I am his scum buddy (which I assure you I am not).

Honestly, if I didn't know what I was, I would be thinking that there was a link between us as well. But there isn't any. The truth is very simple. It was overconfidence.

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Yeah. I didn't want to lynch a townie, so I opposed the BlackStar Lynch. I did however offer an alternative. A better alternative for sure.

This reads so bad to me. Are you saying you didn't want to lynch a townie so you didn't lynch him? In which case, how did you know he was a townie?

I figured that this post would not be well received by some, but it is the truth.

How did I

know

that he was a townie? I didn't. I just read him as such and was confident about my read.

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Read List D2 V1

{

AlwaysInnocent

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{

pisskop

,

Anxiety Attack

}
{

hi im Yakko

}
{

Kaboose

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{

Ranger

,

davesaz

Frozen Angel

,

Firebringer

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie

}
{

Lowell

}
{

tojam2

}


As you can see, I have revised some of my reads. Reasons will follow.

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Firebringer town. Ranger scum.

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Having read my own ISO, I feel like I should talk less. I sort of get why people are scumreading me. My mouth is too big. In a few posts I was advising against a Spigot lynch, which seems awfully scummy.

My basic idea was that townreading people should be more reliable than scumreading people (I still believe this). However, I became unjustifiably confident about some of my reads, as Spigot's scum flip proves. Even to the point of defending him, making it almost seem like I am his scum buddy (which I assure you I am not).

Honestly, if I didn't know what I was, I would be thinking that there was a link between us as well. But there isn't any. The truth is very simple. It was overconfidence.

Read your own ISO? Is that a thing people do?

Apparently, yes.

Why are you looking back at what you said?

People were scumreading me and instead of assuming I can do whatever I want since I know I am town and people will just have to deal with it (happens way too often unfortunately), I decided to inspect my own posts. It's called self-reflection.

That reeks of making sure you didn't say something wrong, or looking to make sure you're not going to say something wrong.

If that were true, then I probably would not have talked about it.

Also it's really early to be putting up an ATE... HOW can town think their mouth can be TOO BIG? Like that's the exact opposite of what I would think. Also if you were town, how could you possibly have a problem with how you're playing?

Saying that my mouth is "too big" means that I like to talk, even when I should be holding back a little more, since I cannot be certain and I may be confusing others by prematurely announcing reads, that end up being mistaken.

I HATE THIS POST.

VOTE: AI

A reaction like this is to be expected, but I am being completely honest here.

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Omg, Pisskop. That's stupid, voting for me, if you are town.

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AI, you know I modded a game, Im working with you on a game you want to mod, and I saw your thoughts develop in realtime. This seemsquite a bit more shallow than over there.

Do you think your early game of Blitz 11 and this game are comparable?

No. I am performing considerably worse.

Every game is different. I always say this. Performance is not always alignment indicative.

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Im concerned that your level and effort isnt stacking up.

What do you mean? That I am putting less effort into this game than I should as town?

I still think you're town, even though you're barking up to the wrong tree atm.

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It is probably true that I would do less scumhunting if I were scum, but it is not because my effort is lacking that I am therefore scum.

(1) I was mistaken about Spigot. He was scum, when I thought he was town. This fact is being used against me.
(2) I was correct about BlackStar being town. I think tojam2 might be scum instead. I think I have been pushing for scum.

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Pisskop, aren't you going to join this wagon?

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Thanks for lynching me everyone.