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Post #18 (isolation #1) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:05 am
Postby MattP »
In post 17, Wisdom wrote:Even if I was at L-1, what do you imagine I would defend myself with against four naked votes? "Sorry I posted first and angered you"?
In post 17, Wisdom wrote:Even if I was at L-1, what do you imagine I would defend myself with against four naked votes? "Sorry I posted first and angered you"?
I'd be surprised if town Wisdom doesn't already know the answer to this question.
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Post #40 (isolation #6) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:49 am
Postby MattP »
He's just trying to take the path of least resistance and start shooting down Usted as a PL-deserving VI on pg 2 because he's scum and it makes gives him something easy to coast on
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Post #59 (isolation #9) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:06 am
Postby MattP »
In post 57, hi im Yakko wrote:But if we say that wisdom we're left with pisskop commenting on policy lynching someguy. I'd rather take a stance and matt and be run up than have nothing. I'd probably die though, meh.
I have no idea what you're saying, but I think there's definite value in shaming PL discussion while also fielding a response from the person who proposed in?
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Post #71 (isolation #13) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:36 am
Postby MattP »
In post 68, OceanWind wrote:I read a few games that you happened to be in. My impression was that you made yourself obvtown pretty quickly when you were town. So, I went back through your posting history and grabbed a couple of random games:
Disney uPick - You had a scumread on page 1.
Air Combat Mafia - You had a scumread on post 3.
Small sample size but it seems like you get reads relatively quickly. So, the bolded sounds like bullshit. Not to mention Wisdom and Pisskop both look fairly obvious town and I expect a player of your caliber to have picked up on it already based on what I've seen from you.
I have no idea why you felt compelled to do this or why you think cherry-picking two different games with different player lists equates fairly to my play so far on pg 2 in this game
I don't get it Matt, what's your justification on the vote?
I don't like this super rational protown way you're trying to present yourself both in your dissuading Ocean to pursue me and in you trying to get Wisdom to unvote Anxiety on page 2 of the game
In post 45, Wisdom wrote:SW I'm expecting more from you, you're being rather underwhelming so far.
This honestly looks like an excuse to turn your RVS vote into a scumread based on vague meta concerns instead of an honest attempt to sort my alignment.
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Post #92 (isolation #25) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:15 pm
Postby MattP »
Even if he was trying to provide extra weight behind the wagon, so what? It was RVS, why shouldn't someone try to push us out of it by applying that kind of pressure? You act like on page 2 he had this secret ulterior motive to set up his mislynch for the day. That's so needlessly dramatic of an interpretation
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Post #94 (isolation #26) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:20 pm
Postby MattP »
In post 93, Anxiety Attack wrote:Do you always interfere with others questioning of other people like this in your games? Have you ever taken a step back and thought that it makes it a hell of a lot more difficult for me to get reads on people when you are interjecting and answering for them?
You might want to consider that because you've been doing it all game.
~SW
Lucian already said the same thing you're saying and Wisdom responded, what's the point of the redundancy?
And early on I had a problem with someone's questions and verbalized as such, and when they told me to hold off I respected it.
Otherwise, there is dialogue happening right now in this game I personally don't agree with, but I'm not getting involved because the material is fine
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Post #121 (isolation #29) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:07 pm
Postby MattP »
I dont have an opinion of him yet
pedit:
Sure the dissonance of him voting lucian while also calling out ocean stands out but not in any super alignment indicative way. You can probably push him on that and I'll admire from the sidelines!
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Post #137 (isolation #31) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:19 pm
Postby MattP »
Like you playing the role of a grounded mediator when you have no knowledge of my intentions or alignment, or Anxiety's intentions or alignment, when we had both posted so little at the point you defended us, looks scummy precisely because it makes you look like some sort of voice of reason in a place where we shouldn't be at the point where your voice of reasoning is legitimized. Two pages into the game you shouldn't be telling a player that their vote needs to go somewhere else, and certainly not multiple times within those first few pages.
In post 53, Wisdom wrote:pedit: Where do you think my vote should be?
more pedit: pedit is @Lucian
I'm not sure, but I don't think it should be on Anxiety.
UNVOTE: Anxiety
And your socratic rhetoric is exceptional btw.
In post 69, LucianRoy wrote:Ocean, I'm not a fan of meta, but if MattP really wanted to have reads on those players, he could've whipped something up easily. Instead, he chose to play the "let's wait and see" game before jumping the gun on them. I'm doubting his caution is as bullshit as you say it is.
VOTE: Ocean
Like I don't think these sorts of WKing posts come from a legit place of no pre-knowledge of setup
In post 141, MattP wrote:Killer reads yo, thanks for sharing on pg 6
Do you disagree with any of it and if so which ones. I knwo your gonna default disagree with yor won so talk to me about the others or tell me why interjecting all the time when sw was talking to others is in any way town
I interjected once because I thought what he was saying was redundant, and frankly, stupid and unnecessary I thought it was scummy the first time it was suggested by Lucian and I thought it was scummy the second time. You're assuming by availability heuristic that I am a person who interjects trains of thought to derail meaningful conversation and that somehow has negative and intentioned implications and disregarding all the trains of conversation happening in-thread that I have
not
involved myself in. I thought Ocean was town before your push on him based on Ocean's push on me, even if I thought Ocean's push on me was silly - but I didn't interfere with you engaging him.
I obviously disagree with your Lucian read. I don't care right now about any of your other reads.
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Post #183 (isolation #43) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:06 pm
Postby MattP »
He would have had to read each post in 3 seconds, not including time navigating between isos, time deciding how he felt about our isos, and time to post his #180
In post 1, Ether wrote:Unless otherwise specified, living players can't communicate with each other out of the thread. Scum have a private topic, but they're restricted to speaking at night. They're free to talk outside of it, if they have a method they prefer. Transcripts from that are appreciated, but if you're Skyping or something, don't worry about taping every single thing you say. I trust you.
In post 17, Wisdom wrote:Even if I was at L-1, what do you imagine I would defend myself with against four naked votes? "Sorry I posted first and angered you"?
In post 17, Wisdom wrote:Even if I was at L-1, what do you imagine I would defend myself with against four naked votes? "Sorry I posted first and angered you"?
In post 17, Wisdom wrote:Even if I was at L-1, what do you imagine I would defend myself with against four naked votes? "Sorry I posted first and angered you"?
You answered your own question -1 point.
Note: The points aren't necessarily indicative of alignment.
Other than Ranger and his two non-town reads (Anxiety and Usted) we have 6 players:
3. Wisdom
4. OceanWind
6. pisskop
7. MattP
8. hi im Yakko
9. LucianRoy
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Post #187 (isolation #46) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:14 pm
Postby MattP »
Other than Ranger and his two non-town reads (Anxiety and Usted) we have 6 players:
3. Wisdom
4. OceanWind
6. pisskop
7. MattP
8. hi im Yakko
9. LucianRoy
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Post #188 (isolation #47) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:17 pm
Postby MattP »
And on top of that, please explain how Ocean's and Lucian's single quoted posts above made them two of your three highest townreads in the game, since your reads haven't changed at all since the 1st page of the game
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Post #191 (isolation #48) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:21 pm
Postby MattP »
In post 189, Ranger wrote:Keep in mind on my home site, the RVS is a really big thing. We constantly scumhunt from it, and we've refined it to an art. I know from experience this site doesn't treat the RVS seriously because they think it's random. To you that was just an RVS. To me, that was a weak indicator (note Yakko's placement on my list) that Yakko was making a natural RVS, which blended in with the town.
He literally only posted a vote with no other text
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Post #196 (isolation #50) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:30 pm
Postby MattP »
I always have a sinking feeling when I realize someone in situations like these might not be scum and actually legitimately believes they can develop reads of every player in the game based on the first 20 RVS posts of the game
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Post #298 (isolation #54) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:22 am
Postby MattP »
I think Anxiety is probably town for the way the slot engaged me about how I kept stopping their lines of discussion and how it annoyed them / made them think I was antitown.
It seemed like they were legitimately trying to do something productive and they were genuinely irritated with me getting in the way of it.
In post 204, hi im Yakko wrote:@ocean I can't read your mind. What are you trying to say in 202?
In 104 you asked why people are townreading pisskop, and in 109 you disagreed that pisskop's done things indicate alignment. How do you now agree with Anxiety's pisskop townread?
I decided he was town. The PL comment ocean made was a stupid reason to town read pisskop. I just jept that in the back of mind. When I got back to this game again and read (skimmed) through it pisskop asking someone about me made me think that was very town of him.
In post 217, Wisdom wrote:Are you scumreading anyone? Your vote is on Lucian yet I don't see any signs of you scumreading him.
Do I think lucian is scum? Yes.
Is your question why am I not pushing or trying to get him lynched? Mostly because I'm tired and exhausted. Why am I scum reading him? Well I was reading through the thread and got it into my head that lucian would notnonly be a good vote but a very decent vote as he was probably scum.
I don't like this tautological reasoning, if it's gut whatever but I feel like Yakko goes out of his way to overexplain to legitimize the discrepancy.
I think this is the worst part. He then goes on to say he thinks both wisdom and anxiety are town, so why wouldn't he say that instead of setting up a preference for voting? It's so opportunistic, it looks like he's getting ready to jump onto anxiety if wisdom's push is successful. AND:
In post 270, hi im Yakko wrote:He comes off townier than you ika hmmm idk. I think I would hate myself for being so wrong and either I would play better or retrench and start questioning my existence. Wisdom makes some clever points.
When Anxiety pushes Yakko about the preference here's Yakko's weak response ^
In post 270, hi im Yakko wrote:He comes off townier than you ika hmmm idk. I think I would hate myself for being so wrong and either I would play better or retrench and start questioning my existence. Wisdom makes some clever points.
What points has he made? Are you saying we are having a TvT or something else cus thats what im reading what your saying it as
If it came down to the wire between you and he. I would lynch you. Am I readingnyou both as town rn? Technically yes. The points he made are mostly his responses to you. I found myself to have been nodding to them.
And then when Anxiety asks Yakko to list the points, Yakko can't come up with anything and admits to a townread on Anxiety.
I don't believe Yakko's play at all, it's super dissonant and lacks any sort of depth or reasoning
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Post #337 (isolation #59) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:02 am
Postby MattP »
Your posting that I've quoted is not townie or demonstrates "sloppy" reads. Your reads aren't sloppy and changing.
What your reads show is that you want to have an in to vote whomever is the largest wagon, or the growing wagon, at the time you're in the thread while also showing that in one instance where you were doing so you were caught having no legit reasons for posturing yourself to jump onto the wagon you were setting yourself up for (the Anxiety wagon).
Your play demonstrates that you have no reasoning for any wagons you support (when pushed about Lucian or Anxiety, it becomes immediately clear)
I too am jumping around with my reads, but unlike you I can explain my thought processes, no matter how much anyone else might disagree with them. You can't explain anything when pressured. You're clearly NOT scumhunting because you have no thought process to show when it comes down to it.
I thought it was scummy the first time it was suggested by Lucian and I thought it was scummy the second time. You're assuming by availability heuristic that I am a person who interjects trains of thought to derail meaningful conversation and that somehow has negative and intentioned implications and disregarding all the trains of conversation happening in-thread that I have notinvolved myself in. I thought Ocean was town before your push on him based on Ocean's push on me, even if I thought Ocean's push on me was silly - but I didn't interfere with you engaging him.
hmmm idk. I think I would hate myself for being so wrong and either I would play better or retrench and start questioning my existence. Wisdom makes some clever points.