Blitz 4: Kingmaker (game over)

[Soft-spoken]

/confirm

YESSSSSS

ive been waiting for an eternity to get a red colored role PM

[Soft-spoken]

oh wow titus totally stole my thunder. ignore last post ty

[Soft-spoken]

/confirm

So lets win it this time guys.

this is my gut instinct knee jerk kill this thing trigger FYI.

kill this thing

[Soft-spoken]

o wait. im king

kill:Wanderer

RIP

[Soft-spoken]

/confirm

Spiffeh why did you sign up without knowing the setup?

If soft-spoken is really King and he just ended the day I'm going to convert to Pastafarianism for the next three months.

considering that you implied that you know how to play kingmaker this second post smells like fish.

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http://puu.sh/lcUAD/be29ac25d9.png

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/confirm

Spiffeh why did you sign up without knowing the setup?

If soft-spoken is really King and he just ended the day I'm going to convert to Pastafarianism for the next three months.

considering that you implied that you know how to play kingmaker this second post smells like fish.




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i hate doubleposting on 2 different pages .... fixed by way of post

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knowing myself from my point of view it could be either

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oh and FTR it was going to my first post regardless of alignment because i am still eagerly awaiting a scum PM

[Soft-spoken]

spiff seems town for this analysis fyi... but this could be false if spiff is an alt of someone i know

[Soft-spoken]

Well soft, the day isnt over, kinda proves you were faking.

that was established the second i made the post. read the wiki page, or at least the image i cropped out from it

You TR the person who TRed you

yes

Oh wait, I just realized, you are king.

i am? sweet!

KILL:blockyman

[Soft-spoken]

u r cute

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note: ive been in games with 3 week deadlines that move faster than this.

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@mod

humbly requesting you to introduce a fake vote count for players to express pushes. might help momentum

VOTE: Wanderer-nl

I can do this, at intervals.

[Soft-spoken]

Seriously Soft-Spoken is getting annoying.

id rather be annoying than contribute nothing more than fluff

VOTE: firebringer

[Soft-spoken]

My personal stance on it is 'I don't mind' but keep it tasteful and in check.[/b][/color]

sorry if i stepped over the line a little. the second one was just poking fun at him since i had already explained the king mechanics

[Soft-spoken]

thats the sprit!

[Soft-spoken]

explain that train of thought titus

[Soft-spoken]

My personal stance on it is 'I don't mind' but keep it tasteful and in check.[/b][/color]

sorry if i stepped over the line a little. the second one was just poking fun at him since i had already explained the king mechanics

Lol, typical scum to think that every critical mention is against them. That was a generalised comment buddy, don't see what prompted an apology from you. Unless of course you are feeling guilty for some reason.

sounds like you are picking out individual posts and not actually reading the thread? the mod comment was obviously prompted by my actions.

[Soft-spoken]

Ok, I am removing Smithereens from the lynch today. It is possible she's scum and is faking, I don't think so. I'm inclined to give the newbie time unless someone makes a good case for her being scum as that's close to a town tell.

Now as for the lynch, you can vote anyone but me or Smithereens. After 36 hours, everyone who lacks a vote will not be the lynch. Any wagon reaching hammer will be the lynch. I will not have a vote for these purposes but I function as a bad wagon vetoed (which I plan to use sparingly, basically if a wagon is driven only by fallacies or insults).

Good luck.

you might have good intentions but this seems like pandering. i fully expect you to execute who you feel is the best lynch, and have some logic behind your decision. if you dont, i will autoassume you are scum.

[Soft-spoken]

I actually get those scum feels from Spiffeh, don't ask me where they come from.
He just doesn't seem interested in the game.

Maybe not alignment indicative? Who knows.

reads like an ever-convenient vague impression that someone who is being wagoned is scum

[Soft-spoken]

i think i like smith's style. very effective to nitpick and get people on the defensive.

regardless of alignment.

[Soft-spoken]

titus, if you use votes to get reads thats fine... its half the reason i thought that a VC would help encourage action. but if you lynch someone you dont think is scum, why should anyone interperate that as a pro town move? the whole advantage of a correctly chosen king is nullifying mafias innfluence on the lynch. if you are town i expect you to play pro town and use that advantage... not cop out to a majority consensus so you can avert blame later

[Soft-spoken]

It's true the mod's comment was relevant to your own, it's not true that townies jump to find justifications for their actions like that.

this implies that i had to find a reason, and its fairly obvious in context that i was indeed being sarcastic.

[Soft-spoken]

spiffeh, can you explain your TR on me? it stands out as a stark contrast to the poking people with twigs thing you have been doing otherwise.

[Soft-spoken]

spiffeh, can you explain your TR on me? it stands out as a stark contrast to the poking people with twigs thing you have been doing otherwise.

Why didnt you ask me about my townread on you and only spiffeh?

because you arnt suspecious of most of the playerlist... unless i missed that

[Soft-spoken]

I can't get a read on Firebringer or Titus.

I want Smithereens to respond what they think about Spiffeh. A lot of people have come forward and said they thought Spiffeh was doubtcasting(Titus said he was doubtcasting, Firebringer thought he was pushing on Smith, softspoken said he was poking with twigs), what do you think of that?

its not thati claim to know his intent behind the playstyle. but a spade is a spade.

"doubtcasting" implies intent

poking with twigs just describes what he is doing.

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[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p7373848] i could be faking a townread on you and i never mentioned my reason for my townread on you, so why aren't you being bothered by it?[/quote]
i dont typically play (and have never finished 1 on this site) games larger than 9 players, and the advice given to me to cope with bigger playerlists early in the game was to focus on 2 or 3 players. until you engaged me with this i was largely ignoring you

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fixing with repost

i could be faking a townread on you and i never mentioned my reason for my townread on you, so why aren't you being bothered by it?

i dont typically play (and have never finished 1 on this site) games larger than 9 players, and the advice given to me to cope with bigger playerlists early in the game was to focus on 2 or 3 players. until you engaged me with this i was largely ignoring you

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ohwait. swag wars was 13p... but ya i played that poorly, died early, and disappeared from the site for a while. anyways.

sakura, you are welcome to explain your reasons as well.

[Soft-spoken]

SPIFFEH plz answer.

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spif, i think its more like you are universally being jumped on. how many people actually scumread spiffeh?

from my point of view its likely that this is one of those games where town is at each others throats while scum is sitting there with a shit eating grin... and we are about to conftown everyone involved and lynch scum.

[Soft-spoken]

if i had to side between spif and text then text would be the obvious choice FYI

[Soft-spoken]

oh and same vs accountant. @ titus

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[/v]textcat[/v]

feeling is spiffeh accountant and smith are all needing to stay alive. i love all the interaction, even if some of it is a headache to read.

fire would be my top choice but this would be a good consensus leaning vote imo

[Soft-spoken]

failtag

VOTE: textcat

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spiffeh, can you explain your TR on me? it stands out as a stark contrast to the poking people with twigs thing you have been doing otherwise.

It's mostly gut and I didn't like how you seemed to be universally scum read at the time for some ridiculous reason.

right, but you said it so confidently, x is town feels absolute... id think there was more than just a blanket hunch.

[Soft-spoken]

wait. how did you get a TR on me only reading acountants iso?

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no but absolutes are usually accompanied by like an actual reason

a hunch is fine. just curious if there was a particular line or post or a particular attitude that appealed to you?

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and im actually more interested in sakuras explanation now because she did just claim to only be reading accountants iso

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And mr bard guy has no comments on me apparently

ya i thought that was funny too... especially since he was drawing associations and you/text seems more likely than text/accountant.

turns out you ARE invisible GJ

[Soft-spoken]

time to iso blocky? i dont remember him existing.

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o right. hes the one i was being sarcastic with the second fake shot. im wondering if i should ignore and dismiss this as bad play or take blocky seriously.

[Soft-spoken]

blocky, how old are you in real life... seems like the most important question atm.

[Soft-spoken]

im not attacking at all. the substance is obviously bad... im honestly curious if he is too young to be reasoned with or "too old to learn" because im considering telling blocky why he is fundamentally wrong and dont want to waste my breath if i should just be ignoring him

[Soft-spoken]

i already asked. im going to assume 12 years old until you answer based on that reply

[Soft-spoken]

i eagerly await your third warning if thats what you consider an attack. i asked a simple question, didnt get a reply, and poked at him further to try to get an answer. please dont play mother figure to someone who isnt contributing while im trying to get him to engage the game. also, you asked a question he answered a long time ago and obviously doesn't plan to expand on. not much help.

[Soft-spoken]

sooo.... i started posting when i just woke up which might be a mistake... but despite how that may look when i take a step back and look at it objectively.

from my point of view... I was trying to engage someone who hasnt put forth any actual content. my lines of questioning were limited as the only relevant line of questioning had already been answered in a way that made me feel like he had a linear thought process. i resorted to ad-hom to try to get a rise out of him and i ended up getting a retort from you instead of him... which kinda fucking ruins the point. please dont defend someone before a dialogue has even devoloped.

[Soft-spoken]

interaction between smith/bard is 2 people misapplying logic that would be sound if it wasnt for

http://puu.sh/leyu1/5c34bab7db.png


smith is under the impression that king was chosen during the day, when the reality is the king was revealed at a particular time.

bards logic is based on smith understanding to kingmaker correctly

[Soft-spoken]

i cant english her der

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FBWOP
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interaction between smith/bard is 2 people misapplying logic that would be sound if it wasnt for
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http://puu.sh/leyu1/5c34bab7db.png[/img]


smith is under the impression that king was chosen during the day, when the reality is the king was picked at night and revealed at a particular time.

bards logic is based on smith understanding the kingmaker correctly.

[Soft-spoken]

oh wow. im wrong. ok MY BAD

[Soft-spoken]

@mod if you were to receive a king selection would you post it immediately?

[Soft-spoken]

catching up

[Soft-spoken]

A lot of Smithereen's posts seem to be nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking

as i mentioned briefly earlier. i am a fan of the nitpicking strat. its effective as town to start the ball rolling with in depth dialogue, and its effective as scum in an already developed game to entice defensiveness, which seems to be considered scummy in some circles

seeing as how the nitpicking started early in the heap of actual conversations... and that most of the substance in this game kinda snowballed out of that, id say it looks more pro town than anything.

I would certainly like to hear more from Blocky. The attack from Soft-Spoken, in spite of the warnings from King Titus, seemed to give Blocky an excuse to run away and not answer. I can't help but wonder if that was intentional.

blocky didnt need my help to contribute nothing. it has been a staple of his play all game. he actually did express his reasons for voting me. they are easy to find because his iso is small, and they dont have much depth or thought behind them. even if he came back to explain i could hardly imagine any way he could justify his reasons and frame them with scum motive. i tried to force him to engage by being a little aggressive.

[Soft-spoken]

I think tex is scum now. He's not even making any effort to suss out people's alignments. I don't see the "I am trying to figure out the game" attitude in any of his posts, even less than Spiffeh.

VOTE: texcat

Probably my final vote of the day given that this is blitz, unless someone claims scum or some shit

i feel the same way.. but theres others that fit this profile, and there is something more to text that i cant put a finger on.

Tisk, That's not even remotely convincing Accountant..

to be fair i was rather unconvincing too.

[Soft-spoken]

did nobody pick up on the fact that spiffehs initially unstated reasons for titus suspicion were contextually obvious because they came right after my interaction with Titus where i confronted him about people pleasing?

also worth noting is that the people pleasing content was right in front of everyones eyes, but spiffeh didn't take offense until i opened that discussion. he posted in between the time titus was talking about a democracy format for her kingship and the time i confronted titus with no mention of it.

so maybe a more relevant question about the suspicion of titus would be something like...

what in that conversation gave you bad vibes about titus?

[Soft-spoken]

please forgive the occasional misuse of pronouns TY

[Soft-spoken]

am i that scary?

i think im getting a bit rusty playing mafia.

[Soft-spoken]

smith/accountant/spif have my immunity vote btw

the correct shot is outside of them regardless of alignment. i want our catalysts alive for future days.

[Soft-spoken]

going to bed.

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im liking titus ATM. willing to say shes town after previous posts. opening was good too. the only thing that gave be pause about titus was the reaction to becoming king.

titus. i know being king in d1 in a situation sucks. and i know that killing someone who hasnt done much doesnt do anything for associative tells... but if you look at the big picture, we have more days ahead of us for those kind of flips and i would rather get bad scum or town lynch biat out of the way for now. if we elimate people who are actually interacting at this point we could see a huge drop in game progression because it messes with the dynamic.

blocky is the ideal shot atm for this reason... seconcd place is a massive tie. im leaving my vote as is in case you decide to use votes as a tally. i would much rather see text over accountant any day.

[Soft-spoken]

text over spiffeh*

but ya that too

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something about "im going to blatently sheep" gave me townvibes from wanderer

@wanderer i believe bard about the difficulties, and his initial catchup post had a lot of content. otherwise id say hes in the same boat as blocky but really hes one of those tier 2 lurkers i mentioned

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Its kind of just a policy lynch though Wanderer.
Not really for it.
I don't think for a blitz game activity would be of as much of a telll..

whats wrong with a policy lynch when nearly everyone has aspects of their game that are at least borderline believable as town. its not like we have a solid case on anyone.

[Soft-spoken]

well. unless mod gives titus "intention points" nobody has been killed

keyword is execute

[Soft-spoken]

nevermind. ther e i go not reading thread rules again

[Soft-spoken]

i take it for granted that game mechanics and general rules will be in different sections and generally dont read rules because they are always common sense stuff

my bad

[Soft-spoken]

It'll be right mate.

you sound confident?!

[Soft-spoken]

Well, no. This isn't regular mafia. If I am universally townread but the King hates my guts, I will lose.

I dislike this mentality. You don't just lose if you die as town, given the majority of townies die anyhow. Only something to be concerned about if you're not one of us.

eh you replied to this comment in isolation and pretended like it wasn't already a given that they were talking about the hypothetical scum-accountant?!

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well shit. im king.

ill begone most of the day but ill have time tonight. (PST 6ish)

BBMOLLA NICE 2 SEE YOU

ive been playing with strangers and the most meta ive had to work with is the thread titus made about herself a bit ago

which reminds me.

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TITUS. i didnt call you out on it because i didnt know what that abreviation meant.

Well, no. This isn't regular mafia. If I am universally townread but the King hates my guts, I will lose.

I dislike this mentality. You don't just lose if you die as town, given the majority of townies die anyhow. Only something to be concerned about if you're not one of us.

Titcr.

but after i looked it up i understood why smith fossed you after i pointed out her failing at reading context (or, initially i assumed misrep)

titcr is basically saying she made a good point right?
well you were in that conversation and def knew the context... WTF


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Everyone else.

im rather taken back by the spiffeh kill. i want to see some speculation on why he was killed when i get back. TY

[Soft-spoken]

BB town. EZ gam. can i shoot now?

this shot gunna look like a bus.

[Soft-spoken]

i have this problem with itchy trigger fingers sooo....

[Soft-spoken]

im gunna think this over a bit because im sitting on a too god to be true scenario where text accountant and sakura are all mafia.

im probably wrong and either titus or fire is in sakura or accountants seat.

[Soft-spoken]

but i still wanna pewpew textcat all the same... ill give it few though

[Soft-spoken]

So....why soft spoken?
I mean he isn't scum for me. Just seemed like he was trying to be too townie yesterday.

*insert friendly sounding go fuck yourself phrase here*

[Soft-spoken]

why are you so threatened by a gut POE quickspit

[Soft-spoken]

FTR i actually payed attention to you after i noticed your existance

[Soft-spoken]

double dare you to find a textcat towntell BB

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noted. ty.

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=/ Why do i always get scumread for like no reason...

Gut PoE, if so, then who are you townreading and why?

BB is feeling natural. smith feels town in ways that could be playstyle bias. titus and firebringer im back and forth about.

you text and fire give me a huge meh.

[Soft-spoken]

you text and accountant *

[Soft-spoken]

oh and wanderer is just kinda there. there is someone who i am legitimately ignoring and/or keep forgetting exists. but i recall having a slight townloan from one post yesterday

[Soft-spoken]

goood. now sakura has someone to talk to

[Soft-spoken]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7387052

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well. sakura did townread me early! scum never does that.

[Soft-spoken]

well. sakura did townread me early! scum never does that.

You're a pretty obvious read imo, it's pretty safe to townread you, it'd cause more issues than not.

I mean, you could be scum here I guess but lol if you are thats funny as fuck and you should execute me for the laughs, it'd be so worth it post game

im going to test my theory and ego my games... im p sure scum has never townread me off the bat.... i tend to make... entrances that help avoid that. i didnt go out of my way to be silly this game but i had some of my typical instafos reactions going strong

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im going to test my theory and ego my games... im p sure scum has never townread me off the bat.... i tend to make... entrances that help avoid that. i didnt go out of my way to be silly this game but i had some of my typical instafos reactions going strong

Yet apparently if this is true and you're town, you managed to think i was scum

it was something i never really thought about. im always looking for a bad wagon to form on me but i never considered the opposite reaction and how it relates. so ya im looking into it

[Soft-spoken]

+bbmolla watched me get fossed for not having the scummiest first post a few games back

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im tempted. ill be back in a few hours. lets have some second opinions

[Soft-spoken]

I'm just a bit lost how you can have as many posts as me but need me to explain out my thought process to you, it should've been obvious after my first post explaining it

I tend to post a lot on games, if it wasn't obvious already.
dunno why my post count should affect my ability to read ppl, i am aware ppl can misread ppl, granted you're the townier between you and SS right now, mostly because SS entered saying i was scum without explaining why, then relaying to a PoE that is incomplete (wanderer was missing) and barely explained, so at the very least you explained your reasons, i dont agree with them, which is why the whole discussion sprung, i wanted to know if you were scum throwing mud or just town that was wrong.

its terribly ironic, how you ignore me while complaining about being ignored. i linked you to where i explained, and before that you didnt even seem to think i replied to you... and after that you still missed that i did in fact comment on wanderer a post later.

im sorry if my rasons arnt good enough for you. you can renig on your TR on me all you want but im the one packing a bullet

[Soft-spoken]

I kinda thought they might be town hero based on how they acted late yesterday, leaning more scum now.

wanderer confirmed town. i had this exact thought process.

you know... sometimes there are reasons not to divulge every little detail of reads sakura.

[Soft-spoken]

i mean. if wanderer is scum then ill have to re-evaluate everything i know about mafia...

it could do me some good actually, my play is getting stale over the years.

[Soft-spoken]

and the flip side of that argument is going to be "but his reads are so terribly convenient"

which is true, but sometimes that happens when you are close to the truth. mindmelds and shit.

[Soft-spoken]

im west coast USA

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and my posting time isnt a thing... for more than a few days... im crazy like that

[Soft-spoken]

its sooooo cute

*pats head*

[Soft-spoken]

fake as fucj

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smith were you satisfied by titus's response to my probing?

[Soft-spoken]

I got my games mixed up lol.

is textcat in your other game?

[Soft-spoken]

if im bordering on the rules against talking about active games please stop me... but fire did vote for textcat in the post you replied to so im kinda confused as to how you could mix up games.

[Soft-spoken]

if im bordering on the rules against talking about active games please stop me... but fire did vote for textcat in the post you replied to so im kinda confused as to how you could mix up games.

I don't know either but *shrug* it's what happened. I am playing in about 7 games and had a cold. I quit posting for the most part until meds kicked in.

Fire's part of my townblock with Smithereens.

ok that actually eases my other suspicions about you that led to me being paranoid about that sequence

[Soft-spoken]

VOTE: Accountant
Her attack on Spiffeh followed by the unvote even though she thought he was scum. Doesn't make sense to me from a townie pov.

her defense was that she had greater scum reads bandwagoning onto spiff which made her doubt Spiff's guilt. You should probably address that and not pretend she had no reason at all.

That's what she said later. But in 300 she said she did not want to vote for me. She wanted to vote Blocky or Bard, neither of which iirc were on the Spiffeh wagon. She never voted for Sakura and was reluctant to name who exactly on the wagon was making her nervous.

interesting that i didnt notice this. ima check this out and if it holds true im shooting accountant.

[Soft-spoken]

Bard seems too eager to push on people that I consider town, like Smithereens. I honestly think Smithereens is pretty towny at this point, so it seems to me like he's reaching for something to attack. Blockyman has a terrible vote on soft-spoken and I don't know why, plus his posts just make me think he's not very interested in the game.

texcat and Sakura are... sort of inactive and lurky, plus I don't really have a strong town read on them. I'd rather not be on that wagon, because I could easily envision tex/sakura the scum team, making it a mislynch.

[Soft-spoken]

so what you said is half true....

[Soft-spoken]

she did adress it specifically, however the justification was shaky at best...

[Soft-spoken]

smith i feel like your participation (much like titus) is a ton less proactive than yesterday.

on the other hand, it sort of serves to prove my point yesterday about dynamics. with accountant and spiffeh gone there is a ton less to talk about.

what do you think about how texcat told a half truth about accountant just now?

[Soft-spoken]

Although Accountant I am curious as to what you think about texcat?

I think the fucker needs to post more.

shit on a stick... did i miss a partner tell?

[Soft-spoken]

nevermind. looking from accountants posting it seemed possible. but tex would have to be an incredibly effective cross busser for his side of it to look suspicious.

but the thing where accountant jumps on spiffeh for jumping on text. then seemingly is mad that tex for not posting more often. then says she is uncomfortable with the wagon on spif in part due to tex unvoting. it all seemed unnatural like a choreographed cross bus performed by a bad actor

[Soft-spoken]

TheDominator37 im giving you 6 hours to make up for your slots dysfunction.

[Soft-spoken]

oh. alright.

start with titus. everyone interacted with her yesterday so its a good starting point.

the only other person who was similarly involved who isnt dead, your slot, or me.... is smithy

[Soft-spoken]

fyi I am considering killing you, texcat, and sakura.

if you can look into sakura and tell me what you think that'd be great too

[Soft-spoken]

oh. alright.

the only other person who was similarly involved who isnt dead, your slot, or me.... is smithy

What do mean by 'involved who isn't dead?'

poor sentence construction.

the only other person who was similarly involved (who isnt dead, your slot, or me) is smithy

im lazy so i bandaged it with parenthesis

[Soft-spoken]

Sakura is more than likely town Soft.

can i get a likeliest scum to likeliest town ascending order list from you plz

[Soft-spoken]

thats why i asked for an ascending list. the math doesnt add up

[Soft-spoken]

Cause there has to be a second scum

my reads probably suck minus accountant so I'm kind of just chillin till I see that flip

using that logic you should add a third

[Soft-spoken]

ive been trying to extract as much as i can out of him and its like pulling teeth.

now i know why... he didnt know there was 3 scum.

B B despite me wanting to yolo shoot daystart ive been tryharding and now you know why.

[Soft-spoken]

also if BB is somehow scum he has successfully fooled me with his opening AND dumbtold in ways that are on par with my scum game. so ya. scummies.

[Soft-spoken]

oh hey i got a grand idea.

kingmaker claim.

its already fairly obvious that
bard(bb), titus, myself arnt kingmaker

tex is unlikely to be king.


that leaves the possibility that if my current townreads are correct a kingmaker claim reveals all scum FMPOV

also with tomorrow being "lylo" with a failed shot... and a mis-king means autoloss... it sounds smart to limit options

[Soft-spoken]

ok well. it wont be 100% actually. it could limit the pool to 3/4 if say fire or sakura was kingmaker

[Soft-spoken]

or it could be accountant and i could thank the stars that i didnt shoot an empty slot before the replace

[Soft-spoken]

wow um. so far you are more shootable than accountant was.

claim

[Soft-spoken]

are you asking me to shoot you, or trying reverse psychology. your slot is nearly unanimously fos'd and your iso on titus contributed nothing. claim.

shooting in an hour.

[Soft-spoken]

ya. nevermind. considering half your iso on titus is sheeping my observations then following it up with saying i dont have alot of content. you dont have to claim

LYNCH: thedominator37

[Soft-spoken]

sorry for wasting towns time giving him a chance. fairly anti-climatcic

[Soft-spoken]

I advise Popcorn Mafia, it's basically Kingmaker but way way way better.

doesn't town always win tho? i distinctly remember being universally town-read and knowing i was fucked anyways last time i rolled scum in that. seems like at least 2 mafia have to be town-read to even win that unless one of them is just the guy that CANT be scum.

[Soft-spoken]

Follow allowed with this game casually and the highlight has to be SoftSpoken shooting ObvTown and dying due to it.

you should read my salt in dead PT then. more laughs to be had