Blitz 2: The Stars My Destination Mafia- GAME OVER!

[Nosferatu]

anyone here ever seen secret agent oso?
/confirm

[Nosferatu]

Yay I was right!

right about what?

Nos can be scum too for not addressing the FB scumminess

lol

[Nosferatu]

Given any reasonable wagon length it can be assumed their usually is at least 1 scum on there.

vague. got a name?

[Nosferatu]

About FB being scum.

How do you know that you're right?

And why are you still not addressing the elephant in the room?

If you want be to tell you my opinion on his alignment, I'd tell you to get him to make a few posts without mucking about.

His confirm post I can see why you'd think it's scummy; he's basically giving himself an excuse to not post ahead of time, 56 I thought was weird, which is why I questioned it (70), other than that, nothing pops out to me as scummy.

Also: FUCK I WAS CLOSE TO POST 69

[Nosferatu]

I'd vote you just for that, but I don't want a surprise hammer from ika.

Are you going to spend the rest of the day being a waste of time?

[Nosferatu]

do you know what opportunistic means?

[Nosferatu]

you still haven't given me a name for that "1 scum" on your "stupid town-motivated" wagon btw.

[Nosferatu]

I'd vote you just for that, but I don't want a surprise hammer from ika.

Are you going to spend the rest of the day being a waste of time?

why is this post opportunistic, it doesn't jump on any opportunity.

you still haven't given me a name for that "1 scum" on your "stupid town-motivated" wagon btw.

Their is so little content for my wagon, what do you want from me?
Why is burden of proof on me alone to find scum?

You said there was one scum on your wagon and you haven't named them.

you're defensive aren't you?

[Nosferatu]

more accurately, you said one scum should be on your wagon, but you didn't feel necessary to point out the most likely one.

[Nosferatu]

Also I am arguing with you, if thats defensive w/e. I am just calling you out on some of your bs.

You're being defensive. Responding to accusations with stuff like "why are you only asking this of me", and "what do you want from me" is defensive.

You are openning yourself up for a future vote. That is the opportunity. You can be opportunistic without votes. Go with the motions of everyone around you, I mean that is what scum would want to do. Follow the crowd subtly control it from the back.

That's not what opportunistic means. Opportunistic is exploiting chances offered by immediate circumstances without reference to a general plan or moral principle, e.g. like targeting a weak post. What you're describing would be recognized as deceptive or manipulating.

So yeah, you

don't

know what opportunistic means.

more accurately, you said one scum should be on your wagon, but you didn't feel necessary to point out the most likely one.

Unlikely BBMolla.
He is likely a dumbass town.
Or like I like to think of him "Aggrofucking town"

Welp, way to still be vague as fuck with your answer. There's what, 6 people on your wagon? Naming one as probably town is not the same as naming one potential scum.

[Nosferatu]

anyone you

don't

want to lynch?

[Nosferatu]

Why are you bothering counting my discredits?
lol

because discredits are scummy in nature

Hey Molla. I'm not sold on the Nos-scum if FB-scum idea. You think FB is capable of the type of scum theatre needed to attack a buddy as he's going down?

I 1000% gurantee, I am not getting lynched.

You are a fool if you think otherwise.

1. you are at L-2 (really L-1 considering the presence of ika)
2. no one has defended you the entire game from what I've read
3. you just discredited again

I'm not super keen on Syryana.

his points or his alignment?

[Nosferatu]

dear god are you stupid.

[Nosferatu]

1. you are at L-2 (really L-1 considering the presence of ika)
2. no one has defended you the entire game from what I've read
3. you just discredited again

1) I know where I am right now. We aren't quick lynching unless town is brain dead.
2) You did a little, why is this relevant? Someone will wise up and realize that this idea to speedlynch me is stupid.
3) I did, what is your point? I am scum for doing so? lol. You have so much to learn.

My bulletpoint list isn't why you're scum, it's why you will probably be lynched. Basic fucking reading comprehension.

[Nosferatu]

essentially an RVS wagon.

I don't think it was an RVS wagon. The points against fire are pretty valid.

[Nosferatu]

are you implying that the points against you are invalid?

[Nosferatu]

and that makes it RVS?

[Nosferatu]

and that makes it RVS?

You think every person on me has a reason to vote me?
It started as a RVS wagon, its compromised as almost all RVS votes, therefore its a RVS wagon.

If everyone comes on here and explains their vote, then it is no longer a RVS wagon.
You fine with that? or we going to continue splitting hairs or w/e we are doing.

four out of six voted seriously, which makes the majority not RVS.

[Nosferatu]

*four out of five
that one guy changed votes.

[Nosferatu]

My goal in voting you wasn't to exit RVS it was to vote scum

And that's what I don't think you get

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nosferatu

why the switch?

[Nosferatu]

fucking shit you stole my thunder syr

[Nosferatu]

ok, so why'd you switch to me?

[Nosferatu]

That's not what opportunistic means. Opportunistic is exploiting chances offered by immediate circumstances without reference to a general plan or moral principle, e.g. like targeting a weak post. What you're describing would be recognized as deceptive or manipulating.

So yeah, you don't know what opportunistic means.

I think this whole paragraph is really scummy. Town care about finding scum, scum care about being right.

Are you implying that town doesn't care about being right?

[Nosferatu]

That's not what opportunistic means. Opportunistic is exploiting chances offered by immediate circumstances without reference to a general plan or moral principle, e.g. like targeting a weak post. What you're describing would be recognized as deceptive or manipulating.

So yeah, you don't know what opportunistic means.

I think this whole paragraph is really scummy. Town care about finding scum, scum care about being right.

Are you implying that town doesn't care about being right?

In this particularly case, I don't think town would care so much about being right. It pinged me as scum overexplaining something irrelevant to seem active.

If you google "define opportunistic" you'll see why it's not really overexplaining, and why that whole paragraph is really just my lack of effort.

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: mala
I dun like this one 1 bit

[Nosferatu]

VC 1.4

Albert B. Rampage

(2): ika, Firebringer

ika

(2): BBmolla, Syryana

Syryana

(2): PeregrineV, Albert B. Rampage

Firebringer

(2): Ranger, Kid A

pignash

(1): Spiffeh

BBmolla

(1): Huntress

Spiffeh

(1): Malakittens

talah

(1): Nosferatu

Not Voting

(2): pignash, talah

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: October 2, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2015-11-06 09:26:54)

Mod Notes:

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my vote is on malakittens, not talah

[Nosferatu]

I want you to be scum, I'm gonna ride this out for now but I'll switch to Nos if it happens. Maybe he's SK and you're Mafia.

Why might Nos be SK rather than town, or mafia to Fb town? Or even in different scumgroups come to that? To say SK seems oddly specific.

I'm 99.98% sure that he just thought we both weren't town but we couldn't be on the same scumteam. Since, I don't know, he literally said we couldn't be on the same team in his next post.

UNVOTE: Malakittens
VOTE: Huntress

[Nosferatu]

@ Nosferatu:

Why are you responding to a post that was addressed to someone else?

Does it really matter who it was addressed to? Saw a scummy thing, noted a scummy thing, and voted the person who said the scummy thing. Terribly simple.

Does your opinion of me drastically change because of this? Is this odd behaviour from me or in general? Have you never seen someone respond to something not addressed to them?

I mean for goodness's sakes, you just did it now! I didn't ask you a question, but here you are, responding to my post!

In short, the answer to your question is: Because I felt like it.

[Nosferatu]

Now I'd like you to explain what you thought was scummy about my post.

You asked what I perceived as a loaded question. You left out the context making the question seem really suspicious, and whatever answer given would just lead to "well why sk of all things" and further suspicion.

I want you

[firebringer]

to be scum, I'm gonna ride this out for now but I'll switch to Nos if it happens. Maybe he's SK and you're Mafia.

You being groupscum together is unlikely considering drama, as Syr noted.

if me and fire aren't in the same scum team and we're both scummy, then a logical conclusion would be that one of us is sk and the other is mafia. The number of players makes more than one team unlikely.

essentially an RVS wagon.

I don't think it was an RVS wagon. The points against fire are pretty valid.

Which points are you talking about?

The ones that syr took from the general mood of the town (aka molla) and put into one post

[Nosferatu]

>ignoring the other posts
kek
FoS: Peregrine

[Nosferatu]

Ok, I guess I should vote. I will do some reading on my lunch break and pick someone.

this post bothers me so much and I don't know why

[Nosferatu]

ftr, I'm assuming Kid A's proposed scum team is [Spiffeh, BB, syr]

[Nosferatu]

talah is it normal for you to misrep random things and ask questions about them?

[Nosferatu]

Specifically, Outer Satellite Operative Roleblocker.

from the sheer action of looking at my role pm and then looking at your claim, I don't readily believe this.

The wording seems off. If it were a roleblocker, I think it would say Outer Satellite Roleblocker?

[Nosferatu]

but the more I think about it, if he was scum, how would he know that it's [Outer Satellite __ ]? No one's mentioned up until now, and I doubt the scum have the same prefix to their roles.

[Nosferatu]

Nos, that's a lame argument. Scum surely get fakeclaims from the mod.

not an argument, an expression of my self-doubt.

[Nosferatu]

You asked what I perceived as a loaded question. You left out the context making the question seem really suspicious, and whatever answer given would just lead to "well why sk of all things" and further suspicion.

if me and fire aren't in the same scum team and we're both scummy, then a logical conclusion would be that one of us is sk and the other is mafia. The number of players makes more than one team unlikely.

Nope; it was a straight question to BBmolla about his idea of the setup, and didn't have anything to do with you or Fb really.

literally no one said it did.

[Nosferatu]

Oh was I the only one who didn't take DGB's claim seriously >.>

The claim was dead serious, I saw the page with like 5428907590238 votes on me and figured I was at L-1, so, better claim,

Vorga Executive Officer

Jailkeeper.

uhh

[Nosferatu]

Oh was I the only one who didn't take DGB's claim seriously >.>

The claim was dead serious, I saw the page with like 5428907590238 votes on me and figured I was at L-1, so, better claim,

Vorga Executive Officer

Jailkeeper.

uhh

[Nosferatu]

double posted for some reason rip

[Nosferatu]

don't mod-provided fakeclaims generally not conflict with actually present roles?

[Nosferatu]

Peregrine, join the syryana wagon. After she flips scum, we will have all the precious towncred.

You should vote Ranger instead. I feel like he's much more likely to be scum than Syranana.

what the fuck?

[Nosferatu]

how about we don't use the word troll at all? Seriously, why is that word still in people's mental dictionary?

[Nosferatu]

tbh I don't really think DGB will flip scum

[Nosferatu]

Roleblocker/Jailkeepers are uncommon due to awkward role interaction Talah.

A roleblocker blocks a jailkeeper who protect/roleblocks the roleblocker. The roleblocker is nightkilled. How does this resolve?

roleblocker dies. Emergency breakdown of Golden Rule - Block > Jailkeep > Kill. The jailkeeper will be blocked, and the kill will go through.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... ormal_Game

Not that hard guys.

[Nosferatu]

this is the second time someone's asked, I'm not an alt >.>

[Nosferatu]

Roleblocker/Jailkeepers are uncommon due to awkward role interaction Talah.

A roleblocker blocks a jailkeeper who protect/roleblocks the roleblocker. The roleblocker is nightkilled. How does this resolve?

roleblocker dies. Emergency breakdown of Golden Rule - Block > Jailkeep > Kill. The jailkeeper will be blocked, and the kill will go through.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... ormal_Game

Not that hard guys.

That only applies if the mod is using NAR, otherwise they are resolved however the mod has planned beforehand.

NAR is the standard and I find that it is the most likely choice for night resolution hence why I used as an example. Unless you think that the mod just decided to come up with her own just to fuck with us, this is the most probable strategy that will be used for the resolution of night actions.

[Nosferatu]

@mod: What method is used to resolve night actions?

[Nosferatu]

I'd be comfortable with Huntress or talah for today, I'd need to be convinced for anything outside of that.

[Nosferatu]

Kid A says I am more concerned with being town read than scumhunting.
I proceed to point out flipped scum's associations with him and come to the conclusion that he is scum for it.
Discredits this by saying that I still haven't done some actual scumhunting.

What do you actually consider scumhunting?
This needs to be wagoned to oblivion.

This post bothers me so fucking much. Sounds like I'm listening to a politician or some shit. Feels really really fake to me.

[Nosferatu]

Not that I disagree with your point, kid's associations with dgb and huntress both are legitimate, but your last two posts seem really fake to me.

[Nosferatu]

Read what's been posted since d2 started, yeah, even if spiff sounds like Ben Carson, I can get behind kid scum.
VOTE: Kid A

[Nosferatu]

mfw too many scumreads

[

DGB

,

Huntress

, talah, Peregrine, Kid A]
^ too big for one scum team

I'm assuming I'm wrong about 1 of them.

My level of conviction goes talah > peregrine > kid.

UNVOTE: Kid A
I just voted him too~

I'll wait for PV and talah to post, and maybe interact before I decide to vote again.

p-edit: another thing making me doubt myself about kid >.>

[Nosferatu]

STOP DAMAGING MY CONFIDENCE

[Nosferatu]

lol k

why are we voting mala now? pignash bothers me rn.

[Nosferatu]

what is talah on about, I never asked to talk with you, I said I wanted to see you interact with someone else. This is like the third time you've misrepresented/misinterpreted something.

[Nosferatu]

chamber is more townie than Kid A, but looking at the most recent vote count, you already know that.

pignash bothers me and so does talah for the same reason, but talah is a bit more justified

[Nosferatu]

probably

[Nosferatu]

talah and pignash on the same team makes more sense to me than talah and Peregrine.

[Nosferatu]

Spiffeh, you're scumreading chamber?

[Nosferatu]

PV should have caught up by now.

VOTE: PeregrineV

its L-1, [insert standard "anyone who hammers now is scum" here]

[Nosferatu]

I'll wait for PV and talah to post, and maybe interact before I decide to vote again.

what is talah on about, I never asked to talk with you, I said I wanted to see you interact with someone else. This is like the third time you've misrepresented/misinterpreted something.

Your statement is ambiguous. The fact I picked one interpretation over the other doesn't mean I'm misrepresenting you.
Also why wouldn't you want to interact with your scumreads, then?

I want you and PV to interact. That's how you figure out whether or not they're on the same team? Like hurr durr I think my scum reads are scum, the only important thing is trying to figure out which ones are together on the same team and talking with them isn't going to do that effectively.

[Nosferatu]

and it really isn't ambiguous, take out the "to post, and maybe" from the sentence and it reads "I'll wait for PV and talah to interact before I decide to vote again"

Which is kind of basic fucking reading comprehension.

[Nosferatu]

So - anyway. You're buying into a multiball scenario are you? I don't get that. The flips from the two scum we've seen didn't have any kind of protection so presumably you wouldn't be buying that there's also a town vig involved. Which calls into question why you're searching for a second team which doesn't include Mala.

Uh, no, I think it's singleball, with a possible sk. I think there's a vig that hasn't fired their shot yet. I never mentioned the existence of another team, and it's odd that you would think that I was searching for one.

If it's because I wanted to find out who's on which team, it's because group of scummy people doesn't make a scumteam. If I have scummy people {A, B, C, D, and E} and from interactive analysis you find {[A, B, C] D, E}, WELL SHIT, you were wrong about either D or E; one is possible sk and one is town that you misread. Like for real, critical thinking or naw?

[Nosferatu]

So - anyway. You're buying into a multiball scenario are you? I don't get that. The flips from the two scum we've seen didn't have any kind of protection so presumably you wouldn't be buying that there's also a town vig involved. Which calls into question why you're searching for a second team which doesn't include Mala.

Uh, no, I think it's singleball, with a possible sk. I think there's a vig that hasn't fired their shot yet. I never mentioned the existence of another team, and it's odd that you would think that I was searching for one.

If it's because I wanted to find out who's on which team, it's because group of scummy people doesn't make a scumteam. If I have scummy people {A, B, C, D, and E} and from interactive analysis you find {[A, B, C] D, E}, WELL SHIT, you were wrong about either D or E; one is possible sk and one is town that you misread. Like for real, critical thinking or naw?

Wow, I can't believe how full of shit you are.

talah and pignash on the same team makes more sense to me than talah and Peregrine.

We have two flipped scum. Are you expecting 4 scum on one team with the scum roles we've seen flipped?
No?

Then why are you trying to rationalise talah/pignash talah/Pere being on the same team if you're not looking at multiball.

Do explain. Also drop the attitude.

I don't see how the number of PRs correlates with the number of scum in the game -_-
The number of scum in the scum team is calculated with the number of total players, which would result in 3-4 scum.

You literally did it again.

[Nosferatu]

shit I could've said "Wow, I can't believe how full of shit you are".

0 chance this is 4 scum on one team in a 14 player game. It's still closer to 2 scum than 4.

Scum is usually between one-fourth and one-third of the playerlist, no? That would make 3-4 scum?

[Nosferatu]

You could do, but then you have to state what you think about the identical role that Pere has.

He's not saying shit here, you might as well out what role he has tbh

[Nosferatu]

Well it would be a bit unfair for me to get a role PM for which scum has an identical fakeclaim ready wouldn't it?

not really.