Newbie 1762: Frequent Flyers - Game Over

[havingfitz]

VOTE: havingfitz
Have to go soon, btw.

~OMGUS

VOTE: Ecks Dee

[havingfitz]

So is 3 SEs the norm now in newbie games?

For the non-SEs/IC....how much mafia experience do you have?

[havingfitz]

I was just about to post that all of this stuff was bad and they ignored it to vote knightmare

What was bad about the stuff?

[havingfitz]

Lot's of stuff to do today. Will get a catch-up post done tomorrow and most likely a serious vote.

UNVOTE:

[havingfitz]

Catch up/game notes...

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@PsychoDave...not a fan of Post 8. Able to make a post but only to give an excuse why you won't be joining us atm. So why not just lay down an RVS vote and forgo excuses?

Nothing else much other than the most interesting avatar voting at the end of the page. Echo tacking on a an L-2 RVS vote on Dunn raises an eyebrow.

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@Echo...in Post 31 you say you didn't realize your, what I assume was completely random, vote on Dunnstal was putting him at L-2 (ie uncomfortably close to getting lynched).

So why keep your vote on Dunnstal? If your vote is not random can you provide a reason for it still being there?

@Dunnstal...in Post 32 you try to give a reason for your "all of this stuff was bad" comment in Post 27 but your reason provided is pretty bad (they ignore stuff?). Can you please elaborate for example why my vote on Ecks Dee was "bad?" And how ironstove's clearly random vote on you is confusing?...I see knightmare is asking the same things from you....

@Dunnstal...your Post 35 explaining wrt ironstove is pretty lame. Like you are trying to find smoke where none really exists. And once again...knightmare is saying what I'm thinking.

@Dunnstal...but you are at odds with ironstove if you think his vote on you was bad...regardless of what RVS reason he gave. Now you seem to be backing off a bit. Still in parallel with knightmare.

@PsychoDave...voting Dunnstal to L-1 is terrible.

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-Grey- enters the game and immediately votes Echo (no detail yet) and proclaims Titus his defacto MYLO vote if Titus is still in the game.

@PsychoDave...Posts like Post 66 arn't going to fly. Setting yourself up for inactivity and or mistakes due to alcohol and drug use basically means you are useless as town or scum.

@Knightmare...Why Ecks Dee?

@-Grey-...don't think this reason = Echo is "scummy af."

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uuuugh...

@Titus...Why? If you are trying to get a reaction why explain the vote as just for lolz? And now that you have a defense of you post by -Grey- and a condemnation (and vote) by knightmare (who I assume? you think is town)...what do you take from those two responses?

Knightmare...slightly unwarranted omgus reaction here. All who suspect you (and/or defend those that do) are not necessarily scum. I think it's clear Titus was looking for reactions moreso than trying to get a wagon rolling on you by placing the lone vote on it...for lolz.

Caught up through post 109.

tl:dr;

Didn't care for the accidental votes by Echo and Dave that brought people within reach of a lynch.

While I do not like knightmare's reaction to Titus' voting him I still lean town on him.

Leaning town on Ecks Dee

Not sure why ironstove joined this game if they are burnt out. Hopefully they are replaced soon.

I do not think Echo did anything suspect after hearing his explanation of his actions. Town lean.

Not a big fan of how Dunnstal has been explaining his actions...but also not a big fan of Dave (see comments to him above)...whom Dunstal is voting atm. Suspect them both.

I don't see anything wrong with Titus's play so far...town lean.

That's leaves TBDs atm for -Grey - and ironstove.

VOTE: PsychoticDave

[havingfitz]

FTR I didn't see Titus' vote on Dave but no matter.

[havingfitz]

I think my post chain answers your questions as well.

Yes

[havingfitz]

Grey....why the hammer? You never mentioned Dave as far as I can see.

Ironstoves...is this your first newbie game? Why the vote?

[havingfitz]

as an FYI newbie games I've been in the past normally have somewhere around 11-13 players, this is the first time I've been in one with 9 as a starting roster.

I count 5 Newbie games in your history on this site. All with 9 player rosters requiring 5 votes to lynch.

VOTE: ironstove

[havingfitz]

Lynch All Liars?

Seems like a good D2 starting point. His "GOOD WORK TOWN" comment struck an odd tone for me as well.

Can you explain Ironstove?

I'm surprised Grey was the nk as well. Questionable hammer might have caused him problems today.
Maybe scum pr hunting.

[havingfitz]

This doesn't seem to be AI or something anyone would lie about.

Why make the comment? To deflect heat?

He has at least 5 other newbie games on this site that contradict his naive excuse.

P.edit.. what did I ignore?

[havingfitz]

referencing off site newbie games

I don't know that he was referencing off site games. All I know is he's on this site making excuses that are shown to be false with games on this site. Off site experience doesn't matter.

[havingfitz]

You ignored the post you quoted, and even here you are selectively responding.

Why lie? It doesn't do anything.

The fact I replied shows you weren't ignored. Posting on phone can allow lag time between posts.

I said why. To diffuse negative attention from his naked L-1 vote.

You tell me why he lied. And what are you referring to with your ALWAYS comment?

[havingfitz]

he gains nothing by lying.

I said why. To diffuse negative attention from his naked L-1 vote.

I don't like you jumping to the sinsiter conclusion without thinking things through.

What makes it a sinister conclusion? We're looking for scum...Im looking at ironstove. That's the game. And don't accuse me of not thinking things through because of your failure to grasp concepts

[havingfitz]

So fitz, you stretching for the reason i think or not?

I'm doing what I've stated I'm doing for the reasons I've stated. Pretty cut and dry.

[havingfitz]

So it appears ironstove has been on site since D2 has started and was inclined not to comment in here. He's been doing a lot of lamenting his participation in games and acting a bit off (in general...not just since D2 began). I'd still like to hear him explain his comments about his experience in Newbie games so I can maintain or move my vote.

[havingfitz]

Would like to see them [Dunnstal] and fitz interact a bit more

Why Dunnstal and I vs any other combo?

[havingfitz]

WTF? 26 hours and not a single post. C'mon people. Play the game.

[havingfitz]

@Echo...are you trying to find scum? You just got a vote on you....no comment? Who do you think is scum other than perhaps Titus due to a vibe?

I was waiting on ironstove to respond to me but that's not looking good.

[havingfitz]

Do you still have suspicions towards Dunnstal?

You really have no comment on Titus' vote on you? Do you agree with her vote? Does it strengthen your "vibe" on her?

If you were going to vote someone right now who would it be?

[havingfitz]

Dunnstral...could you elaborate a bit on why Titus is "totally scum"?

[havingfitz]

@Havingfitz, I haven't seen ironstove posting but he has logged in. You seem to think he has. Do I need to look again?

I saw that he had logged in since D2 has begun. That's all I've said.

[havingfitz]

Prodding ironstove.

What about Ecks Dee and knightmare?

[havingfitz]

<insert cricket noise>

[havingfitz]

Prodding ironstove.

What about Ecks Dee and knightmare?

Weekends only count 24 hours toward your prod timer, I believe that they're both just outside the range of a prod at the moment.
But I will give them a poke (more of an informal prod) as well since I'm here.

Replacement time?

[havingfitz]

Hi ArcAngel...I was away for a year. I remember Simpsons mafia. Thanks for replacing in. Are you scum?

[havingfitz]

UNVOTE:

[havingfitz]

OK....first, thanks to all the replacements.

Second...Titus has been putting out a weird vibe for me this game (and not because she is the IC) so I am good lynching her.

No one has mentioned that

she is at L-1

so be aware. Also...I am giving my intent to hammer her in the next few (2-3) hours.

Barring someone else unvoting you...if you have any last reads Titus please share them.

Third...I still suspect the ironstove slot despite Loopdan having shown more interest in the game than his predecessor. I still have issues with ironstove's comments about never having been in a newbie game where it took 5 to lynch...considering the fact he's been in several on this site alone. Titus defense of this is one of the things I suspect her for btw...as do some others. I also felt like the Loopdan questioning of Titus on the

ironstove lie

was a means of subtle distancing from her. This suspicion is compounded by the fact Loopdan then proceeded to essentially sheep Titus' with a naked EV vote.

I'll be back to hammer after Titus weighs in or in a few hours...whichever gets here first.

[havingfitz]

I see Titus sometimes posts just before noon est so I'll wait until noon to hammer.

[havingfitz]

I think you would have claimed sooner.

VOTE: Titus

[havingfitz]

let's massclaim, starting with fitz

I feel moderately bad about hammering Titus.

In defense of my hammer after her claim I would say this....she was at L-1 for a long enough amount of time while getting in several posts that I thought she would have claimed sooner if she was telling the truth. I genuinely thought she was fakeclaiming and worst case...if she wasn't...it was a learning opportunity for the newer players to mafia. If you are a PR and get to L-1.....claim. If it had been day one I probably would not have voted but day two...not so much.

That said...I'm VT.

On to Loopdan

[havingfitz]

Well hello. Looks like I have some reading to do lol.....

[havingfitz]

Dunnstral....have you ever been a cop on MS before? If so...can I get a link?

Echo...what was the reason for your N1 investigation?

[havingfitz]

Things I'm mulling over:

Dunn...in your other cop game you straight out state on D2 (prior to being killed N2) that the person you investigated was town. You said "I know" which is not being subtle about it. In this game you never mention Loopdan D2. Also not a fan of you jumping in to claim before Echo could have.

Echo...I'm not sure why scum would have RB'd you. And if they had...why not RB you again N2? I also do not understand why you would investigate ecks dee when your vote was planted on Dunnstral most of D1. I also do not understand why you would not have investigated me last night after I'd hammered a claimed Doc. You say you investigated Loopdan instead last night because -

Last night, I decided to investigate loopdan

because of his super quick vote within one or two posts of him being here

.

but when his predecessor ironstove did essentially the same thing D1...and you even call him out for it -

ironstove, I'm pretty sure that was your first post. Without reasoning, you just choose to put up a random vote on dave, again with NO REASONING!

You haven't been active at all in this, at least not from what I've seen, and your first post, about 3 days into the game, was a random lynch vote

putting dave at what I believe is l-1?

Instead of investigating ironstove [or as previously mentioned, the person you'd been voting most of D1 (Dunnstral)] you opt for a player that has made all of 5 posts...for being inactive....which you ALSO call ironstove out for (see quote above).

I think my questions (aka concerns) with Echo outweigh the ones I have with Dunnstral. I also think the post claims dialogue was more natural with Dunn and Loopdan than it was with Guilty and Echo. My only hesitation with this is that I was town reading Guilty's predecessor and suspected Loopdan's predecessor.

VOTE: Echo

[havingfitz]

Crap.

Good game scum. I shouldn't have doubted my D1 reads. Despite the Dunnstral claim butt-in and difference to the other cop game he had I just had a hard time believing everything Echo was claiming.

Sorry town....hammering the cop and biting on the fake claim. I have had better games. Bleh.

Thanks for modding mod.