Newbie 380: OH NOES! IT'S OVA

[JDodge]

Vote: ojpower

[JDodge]

Finger of Suspicion.

You might want to rethink that strategy. Assuming you're town, you really don't want to put someone at lynch -1 this early in the game. Mafia could easily cast the last vote and day 1 would end without us learning anything.

FOS: ojpower for not unvoting even when told he just put someone at lynch -1.

Not necessarily, though; there's a chance that a pro-town player who's either not paying attention or just impatient will put that last vote down.

[JDodge]

JDodge, your last post is bothering me a bit, and I'm not sure why. While it is technically true that if someone hammers at this point in the game it doesn't automatically mean they are the scum, it does just about guaranty that person will be lynched the next day, or at least investigated by the cop (if we have one) in the night. I don't really see the point of this reminder unless it is foreshadowing that you are an impatient player and might be the one to do it later... at which point it will still look scummy.

It's as a warning to say "be careful if that happens, so you don't accidentally hand the game to the scum".

I agree with your other points.

[JDodge]

Not quite sure?? He said "see who the real scums are"! This seems like fish in a barrel to me. But I guess we may as well take our time to try to learn more.

I'm not necessarily seeing what's so scummy about that; care to explain a bit more?

Remember everyone, speedlynching helps nobody.

[JDodge]

3. I want the lynching to be over quickly because the thing is, no matter how you put it, we're still making only educated guesses, to say the most. We barely got into the game, and the first stage won't reveal anything. Once the mafia has picked out a suspect, then the real game will start.

Speedlynching is bad.

Info is good.

[JDodge]

You're the one accusing me, and even though even I realize I look like scum, the fact that you're on the offensive side and trying to get people to pile on the bandwagon is also suspicious.
And what i meant is that some people would probably say I was faking emotions or some crap.

This is what we call OMGUS, or OMG, you suck.

It's called this because it's being suspicious because someone is

accusing

you, as opposed to because you are actually suspicious of their actions.

[JDodge]

Jdodge is only posting advice for the newbies, with no real analysis. Just an observation, as I try to figure out who the scumbuddy could be.

No, no, that last post was analysis as well.

I can do both.

[JDodge]

Unvote

for now.

Big FoS

: Eagle. I

don't

want to put you at -1 quite yet.

[JDodge]

Yes, this is partially a "too-townie" argument but I think in this case it makes sense due to the replacement timing.

Too Townie is a terrible, terrible arguement. Not to mention the rest of it is circumstantial

based

on said shaky arguement. Your name is very much true in this case.

[JDodge]

Rainy's suspicion of ojpower has nothing to do with the "too townie" part of the argument. It's tough to come up with solid theories on Day 1. You pretty much have to resort to WIFOM when all you can look at is behavior and suspicion. You got a theory you'd like to share? It's a lot easier to criticize others.

You clearly do not yet know that behavior and suspicion is what you should be focusing on for most of the game.

No, I don't. Just because I do not have a theory, I have no right to criticize yours? Bad precedent.

[JDodge]

Paraphrasing....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB!

Paraphrasing....

I'm trying to keep suspicion off of me by attempting to show that the accusations against me are unbiased!

[JDodge]

EBWOP: Replace "unbiased" with "biased".

[JDodge]

We are talking about accusations against me? Since when? Seriously I have no idea what you're talking about.

I am objecting to your reasoning of "WIFOM is fine Day 1", and using it as an accusation. You retaliate.

[JDodge]

Like I said, it's not ironclad. It's just a theory I thought I'd toss around and see if others thought was even a possibility. But I didn't expect to get mocked and told it was a "terrible, terrible" argument.

No, I said Too Townie is a terrible, terrible arguement. Nice Strawman.

Likewise, you mocked

me

first.

[JDodge]

Mod

: Can we get a prod on eagle, please?

[JDodge]

Vote: SnowWhite

You act as if it's inevitable.

You also all seem to act as if he's scum, whereas I tend to think he's just being belligerent. Aside from being generally rude, I haven't seen anything from him that I haven't seen before from newbies, town or scum.

[JDodge]

Because she wants somebody to hammer him but doesn't want to soil her hands with the deed, of course.

Willingness to see somebody lynched but unwillingness to put yourself in the spotlight by hammering is a classic scum-move.

[JDodge]

I think that I'm rather neutral on that debate. I can see some slight scumtells, but it's more null-tells than anything else.

[JDodge]

JDodge - in post 71, you said

Big FoS: Eagle. I don't want to put you at -1 quite yet.

But now you say you are neutral on Eagle. I don't think he's posted since then, so what changed your mind?

I did some of that "thinking" nonsense that people said I should do every now and then.

I always forget to do that before posting.

[JDodge]

Get well soon ojpower!

[JDodge]

The way I see things right now, we've got the right man on the top step of the gallows. But what confuses me the most is who the other scum is. Both SnowWhite and JDodge seem to be acting as if they want to divert attention away from the impending vote. JDodge even uses this rationale in voting for SW, whilst we have eagle at -1. So perhaps JD is the partner scum and he is just very skilled in his diversion by giving plausible reasons to cast suspicion on another player. They obviously can't both be scum (assuming eagle is).

Dear, dear... I find it positively odd that you seem to think you know my rationale, when not only is your "knowledge" incorrect, but I have also stated my logic.

[JDodge]

If Snow White is scum:
JDodge is telling the truth and he really doesn't find Eagle all that scummy. This seems weird to me, but I guess it is possible that he gives newbs a lot of latitude. Snow White would rather simply hang back and do nothing rather than risk looking suspicious by taking action.

Is the benefit of the doubt such a bad thing to give, especially on day 1 to someone who is playing their first game? Because I can stop being as forgiving, if you'd like.

If JDodge is scum:
JDodge is a good player - he knows if he hammers Eagle and Eagle turns out to be scum, we will think "Ah! This is scum creating distance - JDodge is guilty." So he comes up with the Snow White accusations to try to distract us... ordinarily a scummy tactic, but mix in a little WIFOM and bake for a half hour and he comes out smelling like roses.

That last part is exactly why your theory doesn't work. It depends on WIFOM.

Another thing you must know; it is my personal theory that a pro-town player should never be afraid to be lynched. Chew on that for a short while and get back to me.

[JDodge]

Also,

FoS: Off the Mark

for this comment:

I'm no longer suspicious of you, rainy - your response to my accusation was excellent. I guess if you turn out to be scum, I won't feel bad because you deserve to win.

Which tells me that OTM and rainy are possible scumbuddies.

[JDodge]

Not sure how it's relevant here, but in a game like this I disagree. We only get 3 chances at lynching 2 scum. If lynching a pro-town player helps us find the 2 scum, then fine, but otherwise that is a huge risk and I think a pro-town player should do their best to defend themselves.

Then that is a playstyle arguement, however you may want to keep in mind my position.

You're really reaching here.

And you weren't with your scenarios?

[JDodge]

Again, your "knowledge" is incorrect. I am voting SW for her asking who was going to hammer while being unwilling to do it herself, which I find scummier than eagle's belligerence.

[JDodge]

Finding her action "scummier" would not necessarily mean you don't find eagle "scummy."

Do you think eagle is scum "at this point?"

Yes.

[JDodge]

Grrrrrrrrrr.

We could have gotten a lot more information today.

[JDodge]

I told you about SnowWhite...