Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

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VOTE: Sakura

FOR NOT CONTINUING THE CAPS LOCK CHAIN

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VOTE: gravija

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Okay so grav votes tso with a reason that came prior to his first post with nothing in between. Why not vote in the first one?

IC is scum.

Vote goodmorning

Lay off my partner ns and I'll relent.

Your, eh,

partner?

UNVOTE: agi VOTE: T S O

Hi. I'm letting you all know right now, I have Asperger's Syndrome. I may make mistakes that the rest of you won't, like misreading certain signs. However, I may also notice things that others don't, like tiny, tiny abnormalities in people's posts. Please don't attack me if I say something that you don't like, or that offends you.

Well, now that that's over...

Vote: agi

...for too many EBWOPs.

IC is scum.

Vote goodmorning

Lay off my partner ns and I'll relent.

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I may also notice things that others don't

And you miss an entire post?

lolno

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Umm, what

lol

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GM I'm thinking we have an Agi/Grav scumteam.

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GM IM HURT YOURE GOING TO GO ALL PARANOID ON ME AFTER 1402 ARENT YOU

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Hm.

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I kinda found Agi's posts towny tbh

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GM am I deluded? I find agi p town

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1) ~reasons~
2) lol
3) cool, lemme know when you figure out I'm town

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~reasons~ and it is best left at that.

I'm simply saying that you're wrong. I'm not treating you as inferior, I'm treating you as the latest in a long line of people to say they suspect me.

PEDIT STOP RUINING MY FUN GM ;-;

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Okay

Then vote me.

Don't just sit there and posture.

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Nice scumclaim.

VOTE: TSO

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Wow, TSO Sakura scumteam.

That was easy.

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ESPECIALLY considering who Sakura is and who she plays with, that's a scumclaim.

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...

I lol'd.

You have no right to call anyone in this game an asshole after that last post.

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Okay.

Sakura has been known to self-vote and in some instances self-hammer as town. She plays with people like myself and Saki who have selfvoted on several occurences. She calls a selfvote a scumclaim regardless.

TSO is basically saying "I won't vote you unless you seem popular"

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Oh and GM and I played together and she thought I was town and I was scum(that was 1402)

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inb4 wisdom

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No I am not scum Cabd but nice try. I'm trying to step up in newbie games (see 1420 :>)

I've basically given you both scum on a silver platter, what's not to love! I understand she's making changes etc etc, but it seems off to me.

Does anyone notice how TSO got called out for his shtick about me then instantly nakedvotes without so much as a reason on Cabd?

I have to say, it's amusing watching meta people try to sort me. I damn well expect front-seat tickets to the townbloc.

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Hm, that's funny.

I can't remember you /ever/ explicitly giving decent scum/townreads on ANYONE thus far in the game! And I'm pretty damn sure that "previous post" was just a cover-up response.

Especially due to the fact you're trying to push obvious lynchfodder (as cabd said) as well as having the audacity to call me scum based on that. You aren't even pushing your scumreads. Literally the only two people you've called scum you've voted in your

4

posts.

Sadly, I feel like if mara was here she'd be screaming at me this is the Town-Sak OMGUS but nah. Sakurascum

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Me this game

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Nah, I figure if I don't you'll just keep swapping your vote between me and agi and it's hilarious to watch

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No, I think I'll keep my vote and see how you react.

How not to reaction hunt 101: Say you're looking for reactions

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But he needs to behave.¹ Stop baiting people for now².

1- Do I have to :<
2- Does that mean I get to do it later

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Ah, okay.

What're you thinking about cliche? I know you said you were ignoring him, but does his "no explanation" shtick give you any leans?

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Hey cabd, you should OMGUS TSO.

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Where he's like "blah noone gives reasons for things"

The meta stuff

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I'm kinda enjoying the constant misreps from Grav.

@Ffery, I figured it was confused town. But here's what's bugging me- While others don't give explicit reasonings, Grav is getting on my case for not (when I clearly have been) and is doing the exact thing he's calling me out for doing- He has about as many posts as me with almost 0 content, yet is like "lolnsnocontent"

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btw here comes the OMGUS accusation

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Cabd, ffery, you should join this wagon for great justice.

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You aren't even voting her and you want her explanation.

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Yes, I do.

Your vote is essentially useless at the moment. You're trying to push people without using a vote and it looks like you aren't actually committed to it.

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Hold the phone.

Noone is close to a shithammer, except the person you said was "as close to an Inno Child we're going to get this game".

If you're wanting to pressure sakura, who currently has- count em- Zero votes, why is that shithammer worry there?

If scum actually quickhammered D1 I'd die laughing.

So, no.

Not flying for me. That looks like forced paranoia to me.

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Fair enough.

VOTE: Cabd

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To demand an explanation for something?

Yes.

You aren't pushing anyone. You aren't looking for scum. Because I know your eminent "oh yeah I'm just making a townblock" business will come in, no. It doesn't work that way. You're not using your best form of pressure to make reads, moreso looking for reasons to call people town.

Pedit GM I think Cabd is scum

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Will entertain discussion for PLing Grav starting now btw

Ffery you have proof to back up it's how you play. When I asked you about it you presented it, while cabd isn't doing that.

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Come on Cabd, vote me

Lets go.

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Bert you should sheep me

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TSO you have literally done jack shit this game don't even pretend like this is you

You're his scumbuddy though /shrug

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you don't usually try to 1v1 as town so we'll see

This is a blatant lie

I absolutely LOVE to 1v1 people

Cool story though, Cabd agrees with my reads yet I'm null for "seeing him as scum in that game and should know" and a lie

Yeah

He's scum

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Lmfao, he knows I hate cases and asks for one.

I said earlier TSO and Sakura were scum and now "oh yeah they're scum" yet you apparently don't have a townread on me when I thought them before you did. I said Agi was town before you did.

Seemslegit

You're trying to come up with reasons to feed the town paranoia about me (NS you've been lurking/inactive in your recent games, you scum bro?)

This whole- "You've seen my scumgame" bit is a lie. You've told me that you always change how you play your scumgame after every finished game. So, that is ultimately null and the fact you're trying to use that to make me townread you is moronic.

You had that joking/buddy attempt on ffery when you came in- why? Because she knows you best of all the players and poses the biggest threat.

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Bit busy Sakura. Nice try though.

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Sakura you've posted under 10 times.

You've been voting me for most of the game without so much as a reason and you haven't actually been doing anything.

You come in and try to distract me from scumcabd

Why?

Because I must be wrong about TSO, and you're his buddy.

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I literally just posted a case

Which shows you aren't reading my posts yet trying to call me scum and 1v1 me.

Cool.

I caught me 2 scum in one day.

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You had no reasons, no standing, nothing.

So no.

You are in no way the shepherd. You are the sheep who just conveniently wandered where the flock had to go.

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Ffery what do you call that buddy/joking attempt by him at the start of the game? It looks like that kind of attempt to me.

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I should be simple to read.

And cases are hard for me

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Ffery

Remember when Cabd said he'd give me a nice response

So do I

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Yeah, no scumfuck.

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Ffery, some food for thought

Sakura under pressure-

Town- AtE, OMGUS.
Scum- srsface

And it could be her sacking herself to keep Cabd alive longer.

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Maybe she expects cabd to talk his way out of it.

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Ffery, some food for thought

Sakura under pressure-

Town- AtE, OMGUS.
Scum- srsface

And it could be her sacking herself to keep Cabd alive longer.

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Ffery, some food for thought

Sakura under pressure-

Town- AtE, OMGUS.
Scum- srsface

And it could be her sacking herself to keep Cabd alive longer.

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was directed to bert

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Acceptable lynches today:

Cabd, Sakura, TSO

Pick one and stick.

Why are you guys trying to meta cabd

He has expicitly stated that he changes how he plays each g ame

[notscience]

Acceptable lynches today:

Cabd, Sakura, TSO

Pick one and stick.

Why are you guys trying to meta cabd

He has expicitly stated that he changes how he plays each g ame

There's stuff you can change, and stuff that's hard to change. I am making a longterm project of this.

Let me know how that works out (entirely serious)

Why are you townreading cabd?

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It was at Sakura

And Bert she literally said that on the last page

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TSO stop acting like you're the cause of the Cabd wagon

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Sakura I'd rather lynch a scumfuck than lynch so you don't have to read

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ISO me.

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Can we please for the love of god get votes back on scum-cabd?

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Lmfao, he knows I hate cases and asks for one.

I said earlier TSO and Sakura were scum and now "oh yeah they're scum" yet you apparently don't have a townread on me when I thought them before you did. I said Agi was town before you did.

Seemslegit

You're trying to come up with reasons to feed the town paranoia about me (NS you've been lurking/inactive in your recent games, you scum bro?)

This whole- "You've seen my scumgame" bit is a lie. You've told me that you always change how you play your scumgame after every finished game. So, that is ultimately null and the fact you're trying to use that to make me townread you is moronic.

You had that joking/buddy attempt on ffery when you came in- why? Because she knows you best of all the players and poses the biggest threat.

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Bert, yours wasn't really a "case" persay.

Ffery has good points, but she isn't voting gm.

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notsci probably moving up to T depending on re-read

Also, notsci is town.

Convince me?

He's also taking nice shots like "oh being wrong does not a scum make" and etc

And he's had like no other content since then

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Have I not been showing development in my Sakura read?

TSO is probably trying to hardbus his scumbuddy, thus why he's so insistent on him being the shepherd to the flock.

Ffery is probs town because gut

I don't think GM is scum because she was similar in 1402

I don't think you're scum because gut

Agi is town because of how he's played (and I was still first to call that)

Kaze is null because I can't read him for shit

PEDIT

So, me looking through

all

his content after my last post and pointing that out means I'm reaching?

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How- voting Cabd without actively pushing people to vote him

Why- towncred

PEDIT

SEE

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Kaze the tunneling isn't what I'm fixing

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Cool, TSO gets called out for not doing something then starts to do it!

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Bert I'm telling you, it's a TSO/Cabd scumteam.

YOU WANT TO FUCKING GO TSO

BECAUSE ILL LYNCH YOUR SORRY SCUMFUCK ASS BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN BLINK

YOU HAVE DONE JACK SHIT FOR CABD, YOU VOTE HIM

YOU HAD NO REASONINGS

YOU HAD NO STANDINGS

NOTHING.

AND GUESS WHO GOT ALL OF THAT SHIT.

ME.

SO SIT DOWN AND WAIT TO BE LYNCHED SCUMFUCK.

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I have gone back and forth between the two.

PEdit-

Bring it the fuck on TSO.

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why do you feel that this team is scum?

Because he's attempting to pass off him "getting a scumread" as him actually doing shit

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Exactly my point Agi.

Cabd loves to take what the assumed-meta of a role is and invert the fuck out of it.

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<3 Mala

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Can we please lynch scumCabd?

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And TSO loves to get a scum PM with one of the strongest players in the game and immediately hard-bus the slot.

You have no meta provided to show either of these things. All you have is baseless conjecture.

Wrong, nice attempt to misconstrue.

Cabd was a replacement.

And you jump INITIALLY to "it's not my meta to do that as scum!"

Self-scum meta?

lolno

Consider this an intent to hammer.

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Fuck no I'm a doublevoter and he's about to die

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THE NEXT PERSON TO VOTE TSO GETS OFFICIAL CONFTOWN STATUS AND I DAMN WELL EXPECT THE HAMMER

Pedit-

Lmfao. You said- " TSO loves to get a scum PM with one of the strongest players in the game and immediately hard-bus the slot."

He wasn't in your role pm.

Nice try.

Especially how you're trying to force yourself into being the shepherd of his wagon when you aren't actually doing shit. It looks like you're trying to get conftown status and you've locked yourself in with no escape.

And guess what- You're the one who brought up meta as a defense.

Guess why?

Because I caught you in something you were changing in a scumgame and you want to say "nah it's not in my meta"

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Vote: Cabd

This game's looking good.

Not too much to catch up on, though. Looks like you guys managed to transition out of RVS nicely.


This is the part where I play scummy all day one, obvtown it up in twilight, and get shot at night one, right?

Sup. We're here to wreck shit.

AND I PROMISE NOT TO KILL YOU THIS TIME GM I KNOW MY PAST RECORD OF KILLING YOU DEAD SUCKS BUT HEY AT LEAST I ENDGAMED YOU LAST TIME

Ok, so Sakura and Gravija don't understand this gambit. That's ok.

Also, link me to a game where someone has been replaced for idiocy.

Treat me like i'm five years old. Explain exactly what you hope to accomplish with this gambit of yours. How will town react? How will scum react? How do you account for false positives, and what percent chance do you feel it has of working?


Lots of players here know me as somebody who has done quite a few gambits, including claiming scum as scum, so from one gambit guy to another, tell me what you want out of this.,

Light townread on cliche, agi looks like day one lynchfodder of choice.

Sakura, you have until page 15 to be obvtown.

Ffery has until the end of this page to form a townbloc.

And notsci, you seem vaguely more interested in this game than some of your recent finished ones. You scum bro?

Light townread on cliche, agi looks like day one lynchfodder of choice.

ffery/GM, thoughts on these two? Notsci, do you agree with cliche-read?

Come and play for real, TSO. Throwing out a vote on me for no stated reason is a bit low quality given your usual play as town.

These quotes basically give me a gut feeling of scum.

It's like you're constantly using psychology to put yourself in the Town driving seat and I just get a bad feeling from it.

PEdit: yeah ffery, I do.

Yeah guys, these posts totally mean he's the shepherd, amirite.

No, it looks like a shitty bus attempt.

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Vote: Cabd

This game's looking good.

Not too much to catch up on, though. Looks like you guys managed to transition out of RVS nicely.


This is the part where I play scummy all day one, obvtown it up in twilight, and get shot at night one, right?

Sup. We're here to wreck shit.

AND I PROMISE NOT TO KILL YOU THIS TIME GM I KNOW MY PAST RECORD OF KILLING YOU DEAD SUCKS BUT HEY AT LEAST I ENDGAMED YOU LAST TIME

Ok, so Sakura and Gravija don't understand this gambit. That's ok.

Also, link me to a game where someone has been replaced for idiocy.

Treat me like i'm five years old. Explain exactly what you hope to accomplish with this gambit of yours. How will town react? How will scum react? How do you account for false positives, and what percent chance do you feel it has of working?


Lots of players here know me as somebody who has done quite a few gambits, including claiming scum as scum, so from one gambit guy to another, tell me what you want out of this.,

Light townread on cliche, agi looks like day one lynchfodder of choice.

Sakura, you have until page 15 to be obvtown.

Ffery has until the end of this page to form a townbloc.

And notsci, you seem vaguely more interested in this game than some of your recent finished ones. You scum bro?

Light townread on cliche, agi looks like day one lynchfodder of choice.

ffery/GM, thoughts on these two? Notsci, do you agree with cliche-read?

Come and play for real, TSO. Throwing out a vote on me for no stated reason is a bit low quality given your usual play as town.

These quotes basically give me a gut feeling of scum.

It's like you're constantly using psychology to put yourself in the Town driving seat and I just get a bad feeling from it.

PEdit: yeah ffery, I do.

Yeah guys, these posts totally mean he's the shepherd, amirite.

No, it looks like a shitty bus attempt.

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I'm still up for quickhammering TSO.

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I have to do religious stuff later and eat my early birthday dinner.

so.

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Yeah, no

I like GM

not TSO

:<

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Meh.

I'm back and forth on you, and you saying "let ffery read me" then "I can manipulate ffery" gives me weird vibes

Ffery he didn't start being so bitter until it was POINTED OUT he wasn't being bitter

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It's my rebuttal thing to you're town-reasonings.

He just seems too appeasy and trying to assume power of wagons he didn't actually start.

The whole "SCUM TSO WOULDNT DO X" is bad too

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I mean where he tried to self-meta.

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Like that?

Yep.

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It's one of those certain-time and place tells

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I have like an hour. I might be able to get on my phone mid-service..

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intent

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hi

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Where do we want my vote.

Last one before bed and my SAT in the AM.

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VOTE: Cabd

Becoz gone for the night and don't want to hammer w/o a claim

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BTW this is about as close to an innocent child as we're gonna get this game. Not lynching this thing EVER.

Maybe agi is scum after all?

lol. Ffery you should chat with me about this.

Now, let's discuss the standings of this kill

1) People say this kill was probably due to a newbie- but wait! That's strange, wouldn't agi (EVEN IF HE WAS SCUM) still have someone coaching him?

2) Agi's some hardcore ML bait.

3) GM's kill didn't net us anyinfo on anyone's alignment. High-skill scumkill.

4) I don't remember what Kaze's positions on NKA were previously, I'll investigate this later.

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Maybe.

I like Cabd better for it.

I agree about NKA, which is what's really bugging me about number 3. There isn't much at all there. This looks like removing someone who could be a threat but doesn't give alignment clues, or a PRhunt.

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NKA= night kill analysis

Wouldn't least town = scum agi?

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Agi, look at it this way.

If there are three statements and one is a lie, and you're confident statement A and B are truths, what does that make the last?

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Ffery, there has to be SOME motive to the GM killing. If I remember correctly, it was a c laim not under pressure.

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If I remember correctly,

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VOTE: Cabd

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No, it's a good vote.

Why?

Because Cabd is scum.

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...

Because he's scum.

I'm going to have trouble taking stake in what you all say.

1) He tells me to let ffery focus on him

2) He says he can easily manipulate ffery as scum

soooooo.

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Cabd, you best not be insinuating like that without backing up with a vote.

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Lemme guess, you think you're going to weasel yourself out of today so you can push me tomorrow and be like "SEE GUISE I SAID HE WUZ SCUMZ BACK THEN"

Lolno, nice try scumfuck.

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Keep the discredits rolling.

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Otoh there's also no such thing as a reason NOT to troll ns.

At least you didn't talk him into reading a long-ass and mostly irrelevant game thread. :/

I know!

Hey at least now you have meta on my female half.

wat

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Ah, that explains it.

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I lol'd

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I forgot that I switched to post links instead of quote stripes. NotSci usually doesn't quote what he's replying to, and I found that quote stripes weren't showing his trajectory very well.


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Looking at NotSci's trajectory.

Wow, TSO Sakura scumteam.

That was easy.

Earlier he'd called an agi/grav but that was in the very early part of day 1.

In 129, 146, 176 he pressures Cabd and to a lesser extent me to vote TSO.

In 178 he advances the idea that you can't (effectively?) ask questions without the pressure of a vote behind the questions. 180 "your vote is useless".

Then he votes cabd in 184 for not voting. 187 failure to use vote is scummy.

Then there's talk of 1v1 and he calls TSO scumbuddies with Cabd.

213 is kind of a kitchen sink. Agreeing with NS' earlier reads on TSO and Sakura is now scummy, plus derides Cabd's "You've seen my scumgame" defense. However, I actually agree that it's a shitty defense coming from Cabd.

286 he points me at sakura. 364 "acceptable lynches" are TSO, Cabd, Sakura.

447 tries to herd votes back onto Cabd.

Going to summarize. He declares intent to hammer TSO (multiple times) while still trying to get more traction on the Cabd wagon.

Then in 775 he votes cabd because he won't be around to change off TSO if there's a claim. TSO had already declined to claim in 567

That post by TSO wasn't the reason I had him in my town pile but it was actually a pretty good indication he was town.

There is literally 0 actual case here lol.

The only thing close is me not hammering someone who didn't claim.

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I'm going to meta notsci.

Have fun with that

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I actually dislike the very thought that we should discount one or many methods of scumhunting because player X or player Y do not enjoy using them.

IAWTP

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Ffery for the love of god read the above post and tell me a Sakura/Cabd scumteam doesn't make sense.

PEDIT DAMNIT BERT

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Okay, Ffery.

Look at it this way.

She literally just gave away their fucking plan

They make a townbloc.

Then they kill from the "scumpool" for the MLs.

It explains the GM kill perfectly.

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do tell, what IS going on then?

Pedit

WHAT THE FUCK

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Sup ffery?

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AND CABD IM CALLING BULLSHIT, YOU CLAIMED VT YESTERDAY AND SAID YOU WERE AN ACCEPTABLE LYNCH SO NICE FUCKING TRY

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If TSO claims and is not counter claimed, we're lynching me, understood?

I don't want this paranoia shit sending me to a LYLO mislynch.

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WHY WOULD A COP OFFER THAT SHIT

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Bert.

Why the fuck would a cop say shit like that.

[notscience]

Or maybe, I had to get my emotions in check. But by all means.

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Yiu do realize where trying to scumhunt has gotten me this game, correct?

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I'm town because my role pm says so.

The only one of that pool I see as scum is kaze.

The other two are a toss up.

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I'm phone posting so it takes too fucking long to vote.

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Kaze

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Maybe because I just affirmed a common theme ive been hearing lately?

I already said I had no idea on the other. You both were townreads of mine, hence why kaze is my first pick

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His last post bodes well though

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No, Bert @ffery

Cabd ill,do that when not,phoneposting

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Wtf

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Ffery and Bert, you guys should chat with me

Ffery, does Cabd always announce a gambit like this midgame?

Bert you should chat with me about reads plox

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I'm so fucking lost right now as to all my reads.

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That's not why I'm confused.

My two biggest scumreads pull some gambit that I'm trying to figure out if it was a planned scum gambit or a coincidental subliminal town gambit.

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He gambits as either alignment, from what I hear.

But I'm really leaning towards them being scum.

[notscience]

Fixed that for ya.

Doesn't matter, still both of you aren't conftown. You could easily be luring us to mislynch twice easily within <Kaze, agi, notsci> and then game over. If you're town, you should be able to see from this POV.

See my post a few pages back about Sakura saying scum would kill within that subset making it a surefire win.

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I'm not.

This literally makes or breaks my entire reads list.

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Case for Cabd coming up later.

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It will be. Typing it up now.

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Discrediting my case before I even get the chance to post it?

Going to five guys, will finish it when i get home.

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THE CABD CASE, ABRIDGED

Part one- VCA.

Spoiler: VCA case part woo!

TSO (naked votes are bad and you should feel bad)

Here's his first vote and reasoning of the game. These are abnormally weak, don't you think? And let's look 70 posts earlier-

Hey cabd, you should OMGUS TSO.

Then, around deadline, we get this-

UNVOTE:


Will have to vote from my phone, but i'll be around. I hate deadlines.

This is weird. Why? Because he didn't NEED to unvote. It looks like he was trying to cover up pushing a lynch on town. He was the first there. He got called out for not having a big case, and said "well damn I don't think I'll have time to make one" and then that unvote before deadline, as if he was unsure of his read (who he had spent most of d1 calling scum, btw.

Somewhere in between those is a vote on Bert. This vote on bert that he didn't even follow through with had a better reasoning than his TSO votes did. However, there are some significant similarities on the people he's voted.

D2-

What's wrong, notsci? Freaking out that all your mislynch shots just vanished into a plume of smoke?

Guess so.

Kthnx bai

VOTE: notsci

Hm, that's funny. What's the correlation between these votes? Everyone who has called him scum. Recent past, I saw Cabd talking to Saki on Site chat. Saki was apparently on to scum-Cabd but noone listened to him so it didn't matter- HOWEVER- Cabd said that if Saki actually posed a threat he'd take him out.

The people who have posed threats? They've been taken out. More on this is the NKA section.

Now, this below post. Doesn't this look familiar to his behaviour towards me? It looks too cookie cutter. Too forced.

It turns out, if you take gatorade powder, but use vodka instead of water because fuck water, that the end result is really good.

In other news, i'm still town as fuck, so screw you TSO. You won't be able to mislynch me.

NKA

Spoiler: NKA section woo!

GM's nightkill. Remember how I said that wouldn't provide information? I looked back at GM's ISO. Look at this nugget-

Well I think this is Town v Town unless one of {Sakura, T S O} flips Town in which case Cabd (tinysmall chance ffery) is Scum.

Now, remember what I said in the VCA section about Saki? I'd find GM a threat as scum. Lets look at Cabd's reactions to the GM kill-

Possibly.

What happens to your piles if TSO is scum? Town? You still feel the same as your last post about it?

As I mentioned, I'll be looking at you if he flips Town.

Everyone awakes, but one. Goodmorning,

Vanilla Townie

, is found sound asleep.

Given the caliber of our player list this screams framejob.

.but the VT kill is kinda confusing all the same

???

You think Scum know who the PRs are?

Now this.

1) This looks forced, like he went looking for this and found that tidbit on the offchance someone else did and decided that WKing ffery would be better in the long run.
2) This just looks forced. It looks like Cabd trying to size up if Bert poses a threat to his scumteam.

His interactions with Sakura

Spoiler: Sakura reasons yay!

So, let's chat about the gambit, shall we.

Sakura has a sudden inno on Cabd. Okay. Now, lets see. Sakura's crumb. So, lets talk about what scum cabd would do in a situation like this. Sakura's trying to improve lately, am I right? So, what way better to improve then to get advice and attempt a gambit with someone who does gambits all the fucking time? Here's how it looks to me. It looks like this gambit was a ploy to not only discredit me for pushing Cabd's wagon, but inadvertantly call my reads shit because the cop and the clear happen to be BOTH of my scumreads. The way the gambit worked basically attacked me. Why? Because this gambit would throw me off, make me doubt my abilities. Basically, this ended up with me confused as all fuck (see: me after the gambit). And then, there's a post "if you're town then you'll just ignore it" which attempts to subtly implant the thought of me-scum in peoples minds based on the fact that MY PRIMARY SCUMREADS are the two involved in the gambit. Therefore, I'd HAVE to sort it out because that makes or breaks my reads list.

Fuck. Bert why would you out this.

Fine.

I'm cop, inno on sakura, she noticed the crumbs and tried to flip the claims around so she'd get nightkilled tonight instead.

Now, let's look at what Cabd got from this gambit, shall we?

Oh, that's funny. His gambit didn't net him any alignment info, while it netted ffery a townfeel on me which suddenly cabd sees? And he also went in and basically said he's going to lynch me out of that, then all of a sudden I'm town? No.

Now, let's go to the Sakura/Cabd/Ffery "townbloc"

Hmm i'm more interested in townhunting among the remaining 4 to be honest. We got a townbloc of {Me, Cabd, ffery} if we find 1 more is auto-win (If we mislynch, scum hits one of the 4, there's still 3 conftown for a lylo)

You know what's funny? Sakura's been tossing around the word conftown in related to those two, then posts THAT. What does that tell you? What scum in their right mind would kill someone in the pool for lynches with them over two conftown? Unless of course, the scum were the ones trying to decree themselves as conftown.

1) Tomorrow's most likely mass claim day.
2) If I get NK'd you guys will have more info, and if I don't I'll have more info.
3) We're forming a townbloc for an auto-win which funnily enough ns and bert have been trying to dissipate. <- this can wait to be analyzed.

Throwing this in as well. Kinda funny how the two people who she's trying to insinuate to be scum and saying "this can be analyzed" and she's voting neither of us. Lets look at two. Setting herself up for tomorrow much? She's basically piggybacking on everyone saying to leave it for tomorrow.

Cabd when people scumread him

Spoiler:

He's going through extreme lengths to call anyone who say he's scum wrong or eliminate them (see: everything).

What happened when Ffery scumread him? "Wow, first game ffery misreads me."
GM?- Dead.
TSO?- Easy ML to push with minimal effort and appear to just assist the deadline lynch.
Me? This gambit designed to throw me off.

What else has he done for me? Remember the bit about me not knowing his scum meta? He always changes it. That was a weak attempt to throw me off.

Cabd about Agi

Spoiler: Agi stuff

D1- He's essentially an inno child+he is the mislynch fodder of choice (a mentality common of scum in newbies, he at one point asks ffery if I have a scummeta of handing out townreads to newbies, when he pretty much did that.) What's the best way to treat mislynch fodder as scum? Whiteknight the fuck out of them for towncred.
Sakura- He's prob scum
D2- Wait no he might be scum
*insert scum theatre between cabd and sakura about Agi*

Strange, huh? Almost premeditated. If anyone's seen a Cabd mafiaQT, he finds them INVALUABLE.

Here's most of it, but I won't be back until later than expected.

[notscience]

ugh fucked up the spoiler

MALA CAN YOU MAKE THE SPOILER TAG UNDER CABD WHEN PEOPLE SCUMREAD HIM to [*spoiler=Cabd smash, RAWR*]

[notscience]

Wow, discredits over rebuttal!

You sure showed me the error in my ways.

Oh wait.

Ffery, cabd has his hooks in you and is playing you like a violin.

Just saying.

[notscience]

And here you go trying to instate yourself as conftown again.

[notscience]

That's funny, I'm the one you're pushing. It's almost as if you're determined I'm not going to get lynched, while trying to push my lynch and also voting me after being called out for NOT doing so!

[notscience]

Busy voting your scumbud.

[notscience]

It's pretty fun isn't it?

Yes it is, I liked the gambit tbh, even if it drew a kill towards me since I knew I was a VT it would be drawing a kill away from a possible PR, while at the same time figuring you out better, I should have outed myself as cop scanning you tho, but I didn't do it since I didn't think you were the cop and had already scanned me, and I didnt want to risk the real PR outing him/herself at the time, which is why I was doing it very subtly, it would have been FINE if ns and bert didnt get in the way but oh well, at least we can form our 4 ppl townbloc for an auto-win.

The best part of this is that I'm not either!

Pedit-

Guess what Sakura.

You both incriminate each other.

And guess what Cabd?

Bull fucking shit.

It's fucking hilarious how you have everyone as puppets though.

[notscience]

And lets look at what happens if we lynch sakura today and then she flips scum?

Cabd introduces the wifom of her clearing a town as a buddying attempt.

Scumteam of Cabd and Sakura, who do you want down the home stretch?

[notscience]

So many gutreads. Offhand, I think i've bussed, in my scum career.... once. On day one of my first scum newbie here, I bussed my partner hard. The lynch didn't go through though and his replacement and I ended up winning on day three in a perfect win.

Cabd believes in keeping his scumbuds alive, folks.

Look at this entire interaction over the last few pages.

Cabd, don't even act like this is me trying to force a claim. This is me, calling out your bullshit gambit, and you just spending your whole fucking time discrediting me and working with Sakura to push the ML on me.

[notscience]

Wonderful scum theatre going on here.

[notscience]

Noone, me.

Don't pretend like the past few pages aren't indiciative of wanting to lynch me.

Pedit-

Wrong, you've gotten your hooks in her and are using her like a puppet.

[notscience]

Scumbags like you should just keep their mouths shut instead of trying to spread conf-- oh wait nevermind that's your job.

lol'd.

[notscience]

[notscience]

Wat ffery

He literally told Saki if he had a legitimate shot to lynch him he was as good as dead

[notscience]

Sitechat, a few weeks ago. It was around the time you me nacho and saki discussed shit playing and wotc and all that.

[notscience]

I'd ask Saki but /ongoings and etc.

It was one they were in together, but Saki pegged him, but wasn't a threat, therefore he kept him alive.

Ffery, look at D1, then look at the top of this page.

Let me know if you can tell who is still alive.

[notscience]

Bah that sounded condescending my b

But seriously.

[notscience]

Scumslips ahoy.

[notscience]

Ffery, sakuras last post is a scumclaim for her and cabd js

Pedit ninja

Shes,,not a VT but isnt a PR and didnt make the gambit on her own.

[notscience]

"lynch me"

"lynch ns so its even"

[notscience]

[notscience]

It'll take a few hours.

[notscience]

By that, she means she and cabd are scum, intend to ml one of us then kill one then get that last ml to win

[notscience]

Iso her if you dont believe me. She already admitted to it.

[notscience]

Lolwut

[notscience]

One question, then you can lynch me so you can get that moronic notion out of your heads that I'm scum-

Agi said he knew someone is town, and Sakura claims an inno on you Cabd.

Js.

[notscience]

This literally makes fuckall sense, and I don't care to be a part of your gladiator-scheme.

[notscience]

I still feel like we're handing this on a silver platter to Sakura and Cabd.

[notscience]

Also notscience seems town to me

So something is wrong

Someone's playing well

Cough

CABD

Cough.

Just saying.

[notscience]

Oh, btw-

If we have a doctor, it's better not to claim. Why? Because he could potentially stop more than one kill.

[notscience]

in too much danger of a CC.

...

You do know all the shit he does right

[notscience]

I think ns is town

[notscience]

lol, calling me scum and not even trying to push My lynch

Didnt know they had godfathers in matrix6, learn something new,every day

[notscience]

This literally makes fuckall sense, and I don't care to be a part of your gladiator-scheme.

[notscience]

Newbies flake /shrug

[notscience]

...He says while voting me.

[notscience]

lol

[notscience]

o/ Wisdom

But once I change my meta officially you're going to have no idea how to read me woo

[notscience]

What do you think him trying to assert himself into the conftown block when he isn't

[notscience]

We lynch scumcabd then it's 1v5

[notscience]

Cabd, you've been talking to me like I'm town all game js

[notscience]

See, his scumteam lets them know if there is a doctor or not, then he needs to find sneaky ways to try and out then kill said doctor

[notscience]

I said doc shouldnt claim

[notscience]

Wooo Wis NS townbloc ftw

[notscience]

What motive does town have to prhunt

[notscience]

You had no problem with them bringing Wis to L-1.

[notscience]

I cant tell if sakura is a gf or doesnt understand cabd and ffery arent conftown

[notscience]

Ffery I'm a VT but don't hammer Cabd yet because I'm loving the scum theatre

Btw, Sakura's been tunneling too, yet she isn't getting called out

[notscience]

ns who is Cabd's buddy?

Sakura because she's a GF.

Bert or Ffery.

[notscience]

Ffery works better towards Cabd's philosophy, Bert is more scummy.

[notscience]

Ffery works better towards Cabd's philosophy

What does this mean?

Don't bus unless you need to

Bert's waffling is extremely scummy, I know he waffles sometimes but looking a 1402 and 532 where we were together it seemed minimal compared to now

[notscience]

Cabd is still scum regardless, as I've been saying for two days.

[notscience]

So since ns claimed VT can we just flashlynch him anyway and then his buddy of Bert/Wisdom?

Wisdom if he's the real doc he'll die tonight, because otherwise scum will have to shoot at someone else since the cop will be protected for sure, if the cop dies then wisdom is scum.

I'm going to spell this out for you very easy

1) I'm not scum

2) Roleblocker exists in Cop/Doc setup, which means doc is useless if RB doesn't die

3) We aren't flashlynching obvtown

[notscience]

Weird, I don't see any reason he would

[notscience]

Wait, ffery

What did you say about scum Cabd's NK philosophy?

[notscience]

Wait a minute.

Look at GM's D1 stance on me vs Cabd

[notscience]

Hi guys I'm Sakura

The scumteam is within these 4 but these two can't be a combo but here's the rest of the combos, good luck!

Really, sakura?

[notscience]

She later said she was swapping their places, I'm pretty sure.

[notscience]

I'm leaning Bert over Wisdom but my reads have been such shit this game I don't even know (See: Top 3 scumreads all flippd town)

[notscience]

Yeah, I'm not buying that answer from Bert.

@Wis, I'm at Bert>Ffery=You

Bert because the way he's going about today is really weird, especially considering someone who loves to sheep leading his own wagon, as well as first votes in lylo have the habit of being scum vying for towncred.

Ffery=you because my reads have been so off this game I literally have fuckall

Oh and Sakura's still the godfather

[notscience]

Selfmeta Bert, really?

Wisdom I'm not sure, I'd have to reread.

[notscience]

ns, if you're not Bert's buddy, then one of us has to be. You don't seem to care about it.

No, I'm saying my reads have been so offbase this game that I literally don't know jack shit.

For discussions sake, I said that after both my scumbuds got lynched in 1496 btw.