Newbie 1123 - Game over!

[Amrun]

/confirm

[Amrun]

Hi. I am Amrun, your friendlyish IC. We can talk about theory throughout the game, but to start off with, I want to give you some helpful guidelines.

1. Never, ever give up. Your win condition is your Bible, so don't do anything that works against it. That includes self-voting and especially self-hammering.

2. Give your best effort, but don't take anything too seriously. Every post here is part of a game; assume that everyone is playing at all times.

3. Don't forget that you're on a team. In this set-up, everyone has a team, whether it be town or mafia. Cooperation is an important part of the game.

4. Listen to what everyone tells you about how to play the game, but don't follow advice blindly.

5. HAVE FUN!


I will be really busy during the first game day and may go v/la in other games, but this game will stay my top priority because of my commitment to you.

I also request to know if anyone is under 18 or has issues with cursing and/or rude humor.

[Amrun]

Cobbler: Depending on my mood, I can be a cryptic and/or very aggressive player in normal games. I have decided to be transparent and less aggressive as an IC, but everything else is up in the air as it is my first time.

In general, I want to guide the newbies through the waters of learning to play at MS but not entirely hold their hands. I think sometimes newbie games coddle them so much that they go into shock and flake in their first non-newbie game and that is the opposite of what I want to happen.

A link to a handy playing guide is forthcoming!

[Amrun]

A little guide to help you understand and navigate MS: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Newbie_Guide

A comprehensive playing guide for newer players: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... e_At_Mafia

A little help in getting your suspect lynched: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... em_Lynched

While I don't necessarily believe everything in the above guides, by reading them, thinking about them, and putting some of these theories into action, you will grow and evolve as a player. As you do so, you will figure out which parts are applicable to your style of play and which are not.

[Amrun]

Masterp, why did you ask that question only to Cobbler?

[Amrun]

Also, VOTE: masterp

[Amrun]

That isn't why my vote is on masterp.

[Amrun]

Masterp's level of perceived threat is very high; his reaction to "are you scum" was excessive and zeroed in on the threat to himself rather than discerning Cobbler's alignment.

In newbie games, this is a less reliable tell because a lot of people are scared of being lynched when they don't know how to avoid it - but it's a good place to put a vote down in early game and see what shakes out (less useful now that I have explained it).

To see this in action catching scum, look at kcdaspot vs Nachomamma in Naruto mafia (link in my wiki).

[Amrun]

Oh, woops.

Masterp:

I prefer being town because I like solving the puzzle, but scrambling the pieces as scum is also fun.

[Amrun]

Cobbler, your question didn't earn you any townpoints, and your suggestion that it did really lost you some.

[Amrun]

How did you know that scum wouldn't have asked that question because they got a rolecop pm? That is the mindset that question/reaction seems to come from.

Vote: Cobbler

[Amrun]

PiggyGal, homeless is correct - trying to appear inconcspicuous is a very good way to get lynched on these boards. Branch out a little - it won't be so hard after awhile.

Cobbler is somewhat correct; in most set-ups, you should never hammer without asking for a claim, but there are conflicted views about claiming. It is sort of the current meta to claim whenever you're at L-1, but that's not always the best play. At the very least, you shouldn't claim unless someone not voting for you expresses intent to hammer.

I will dig up a little guide about claiming and be back.

[Amrun]

I still think the questions were likeleier to come from a scum mindset, yes.

Here is the guide on claiming: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 64&start=0

[Amrun]

Not really, based on her posts so far. The post in question was textbook opportunistic, but she is very new. It's something to keep in mind for later but on its own doesn't mean very much.

[Amrun]

Yes, we like to discuss things here on MS.

Unvote; Vote: masterp

You're implying you know Piggy is a mislynch.

[Amrun]

I know you weren't meaning to imply that you know piggy is a mislynch, but you kind of did accidentally - and so I think it might be a scum slip. You are also way too easy going about mislynches.

[Amrun]

Those things happen at night. (S)he won't even have a sent in a target yet.

[Amrun]

Mislynch means a town lynch.

[Amrun]

Noraa, just because I have chosen to utilize my vote elsewhere doesn't mean I have dropped all suspicion of Cobbler. I do, in fact, still suspect him, but it is far too early for a lynch so I am pursuing other avenues.

Piggy said some questionable things, but I get a genuine feeling from her posts thus far. Guaging motivation and emotion is an important part of how I play.

Not a fan of Dent's RVS and ignoring of the happenings of the game.

[Amrun]

V/La for an indefinite period of time. My father had a heart attack. I will probably post a little, or maybe even a lot, depending on how much distraction I want, but I may disappear for a couple of days and wanted to make everyone aware.

[Amrun]

Amrun, please answer my q: do you think Cobbler and Master are both scum?

I'm in the middle of catching up now, but let me answer this.

At the time of reading this question, I think they both have a higher likelhihood of being scum than anything else and there is no reason to think they are not scum together; it might even help explain masterp's overblown response to Cobbler's question.

Apologies for my absence. It's a tough time for me to find mafia time right now.

[Amrun]

@homeless - I only said I 'forgot' because everyone is telling me to stop using the "I'm new" card, so I figured I'd use the "I'm stupid and forgetful" card instead, but you're right, I really didn't know you should role-call someone first before putting them at L-2 or L-1.

This is incorrect. Where did you get this?

Claims should not happen unless the subject is at L-1 and someone else has expressed intent to hammer.

[Amrun]

Okay, all caught up. First of all, casting suspicion on me because I posted a little in other games is quite stupid. Yes, I did, and those games were higher priority and/or easier to catch up on. The deadline in this game is ages away so I didn't even check it until now, especially considering I saw the pages growing at a slower rate.

Mozamis: I think you are noticing good things and putting in effort, which is good, but I haven't decided your motivation yet. I asked masterp the question because he asked a very general question to Cobbler rather than a specific one and it made me think he was responding to Cobbler just to respond rather than as a way to probe alignment. In hindsight, the whole question/answer exchange between the two feels contrived somewhat.

Masterp didn't just respond to Cobbler's question ; he flipped out and took Cobbler's question as a veiled threat. There is a big difference.

As for my thoughts on masterp's talk of mislynches, I didn't express myself in the clearest of words, but I think the meaning was obvious.


Masterp's 102 is a classic scumtell. It is full of fencesitting and assessing threats in a scum-minded manner. Some scum get upset when people become universal town reads and try to undermine that.

[Amrun]

MrsPiggy:

You've almost got it. Claims that don't end in a lynch are bad for a town because they give scum information, generally speaking. However, town doesn't want to accidentally lynch a role that can confirm itself (like a vigilante can confirm himself by shooting). Claims are a way to balance that. So if you or your suspect is going to claim, it shouldn't be until they are at L-1 and someone else off the wagon says they are willing to hammer - in other words, an FoS or virtual vote. They should still suspect the subject. I hope that makes sense.

[Amrun]

Counterclaims are part of that, of course. Part of a power role's power in open games is simply having a unique role name. In many games, though, this isn't an entirely reliable way of doing things. (Think of Spped Mafia, which featurred two town trackers, for example.)

So if someone claimed cop in this game, someone with a real cop pm shouldd counterclaim. A doctor, though, should stay quiet.

[Amrun]

Mozamis, I didn't even realize it was L-1, and I don't really care now that I have. Thoigh there are only 7 pages, there is little fluff and lots of connections to work with - but people should be aware that a quickhammer without discussion will bring them a lot of attention.

I said earlier with Cobbler it was too early for a lynch, but out of curiosity, what do YOU think makes us not ready for a lynch now?

[Amrun]

Mozamis, please collect your thoughts into one post rather than triple posting.

You don't understand, though. I don't want a lynch yet - and Arthur, do not hammer in 48 hours. Explaining this makes it a lot less effective, but seeing how someone reacts to L-1 is extremely helpful in determining alignment.

As for master, why don't you ISO me? He reacted to Cobbler in a way that zeroed in on the perceived thteat when there was none, attacked people's townreads, and fencesat. I also didn't like his interactions with PiggyGal.

[Amrun]

Homeless, I posted a handy claiming guide awhile back. Personally, if someone else finds him suspiciious enough to hammer, masterp probably should claim. I think he's scum.

Mozamis, just because I want to get the most mileage out of the day as possible doesn't mean I want to stall its natural progression for no reason.

I never suspected piggygal.

[Amrun]

If I am wrong about master, I'm going after mozamis. She has slipped masterp as twon TWICE now - but since I think he is scum, I'm willing to wait it out.

You're also wrong about theory, mozamis. Scum are usually more reluctant to place votes.

[Amrun]

It is called compromising, if you perceive 2 people as scummy you might consider placing your vote on the one where you're not alone with your case.

It's just the wording he used unsettled me. He used "easier lynch" instead of "scummier player". Yes he did say I was scummy, but I don't really see why it matters that I'm easier especially since I'm apparently only easier by one vote so far.

It's too early to lock people into scumteams - both situations I outlined are not good for you. Also what is your vote doing on Amrun if you want Masterp lynched?

There's more than two situations. I know this because the situation is that I am town and suspect Masterp. My announcement was to attempt to leave pressure on both of them. Since I had already voted Masterp, I felt that out of the two, pressuring Amrun would need the vote more. Especially since the point of pressuring her was to get her to post in this game

while pressuring Masterp was to get him to slip.

[Amrun]

Semi-open means we know all the possible roles in the game. No surprises.

[Amrun]

Also second wanting mozamis to flesh out the case on Cobbler in his point of view.

[Amrun]

So what are your conclusions, homeless? Do you think mozamis is scum?

Noraa, I find it hard to believe you don't have an opinion on anone at all.

[Amrun]

Cobbler, why would you be suspicious of homeless if masterp flipped town?

I'm all for letting muffinman produce as much content as possible, though what he has produced so far has not dissuaded me.

Homeless as scum... Just no. He's totally been following my thought processes and beating me to the punch with things I wanted to say.

[Amrun]

Mozamis for her weird slips about your slot would be my #1 suspect if you ended up being town. I'd have to think about my #2, but it would probably stay Cobbler.

P-edit: is that just players you feel particularly town about? Is it in order?

[Amrun]

I totally agree with noraa's case and I am glad I didn't bother laying out what is scummy about him because it gave a newbie a chance to do it very well, which is awesome.

What I'd add is how strange mozamis has been around masterp. That is just not natural. It's hard to say something definitively about this without knowing masterp/muffin's alignment, and since I think that slot is scum, it confuses me. If and when we see this slot's flip, I'll go back and read mozamis in context. My initial impression is that if masterp is scum as I believe, that virtually clears mozamis - but the reverse is true, and if masterp/muffin IS scum, then mozamis looks like scum white knighting a doomed-looking townie for town cred.

Now, about muffin himself - he just committed a minor form of the Amished scumtell, which is calling your predecessor scummy and especially apologizing for it. In this case, muffin saying masterp was scummy was sort of prompted by noraa, so it's not as big of a deal as it would be if he'd said something similar in his replace-in post.

This is a pretty reliable tell that isn't widely popular but can totally catch scum, so put it in your handbag for later use. It is less reliable in newbie games, due to the general nervousness of newer players, and also marginally less reliable on females due to pyschological issues (in several cultures). In this case, though it is a newbie game, muffin is not a newbie. Since it isn't a clean committal of the tell, it isn't something that screams for immediate blood,but it erases most of the doubts muffin's strong play raised in my mind.

(Note: To see the Amished scumtell in action catching scum, check out Tasky's Time Travel Mafia.)

[Amrun]

There isn't quite that level of certainty, but those are what I think are the most likely scenarios, yes.

[Amrun]

Using potential flips to help analyze is not weird; it is basic strategy. Your response furthers my belief that you know masterp is town. So much so, in fact...

VOTE: mozamis

I am quite conflicted, as I find them both scummy but think one at most will be scum.

[Amrun]

Basically all of noraa's case I agree with. However, what made me switch was mozamis' reaction to my post. (And again, to mozamis, it is not that you are defending the masterp slot, it is how you have done so. Others have defended players without raising such alarms.)

As for the Amished tell, it is not a pure application and that is why I am not deadset on lynching you.

I am very conflicted. I can't tell which of you has a higher probability of being scum.

[Amrun]

How about points on dent as well? I'm interested in both.

[Amrun]

@Amrun, until very recently you were very keen on the master lynch. Yet your post above implies that you now think its me and cobbler. Why your massive change of heart?

Have you even tried to understand anything that I have posted?

As for dent, I don't have a townread on him but he is not my preferred lynch for the day. I did not like his wanting to hammer so fast and extending rvs/opening post. Still, his relative scumminess is eclipsed by the mozamis/zmuffin/Cobbler trio.

I don't think Cobbler/mozamis is a likely scumteam either.

[Amrun]

Mozamis' bactrack is incredibly scummy and opportunistic. Happy with my vote.

Mozamis, try harder to understand that I think either you OR muffin is scum. You are both individually scummy.

One thing needs to be made clear: the following are all vastly different.

"Who is scummiest?" "Who is most likely scum together?" "Who is the best lynch?"

Often, and especially earlier on in a game, these three questions will all yield different results. The top scummiest people often don't make sense as scum together, and the scummiest player may not be the most informative lynch.


PiggyGal, you're encountering zmuffin's obstinate playstyle. In this case, he seems to be using it as a shield to avoid being transparent (which is scummy) but it can be an effective tool for reaction fishing. I do similar things sometimes, but wanted to play more obviously as an IC.

[Amrun]

noraa's case is a little rambling and not the strongest case ever presented, but I think it was good for the gamestate and the amount of content in the game.

First point: Yes, I think he was trying to earn townie points with that and other similar statements.

Second point: The point is not that vote hopping isn't necessarily a scumtell (it isn't), but that mozamis was hypocritical in using it as a scumtell in his "case" on me and then committing it himself.

Third point: That is not a misrep.

Fourth point: I actually just kind of trusted noraa that mozamis said something like that as I vaguely remembered him doing that, but seeing quotes there wouldn't be remiss.

Fifth point: This one is weak, true. However, you are misunderstanding or misrepresenting it. The point noraa was trying to make (I think) was that doing what I did was NOT scummy or against wincon and therefore mazamis was misrepresenting me.

Sixth point: Not sure why you are so dismissive of mozamis switcing to Cobbler with very little reasoning. Her only real reasoning about this was that Cobbler posted about theory... in a newbie game as a SE... (Therefore not a point at all.)

[Amrun]

Mafia will help you fix it.

[Amrun]

- Second point: The point is not that vote hopping isn't necessarily a scumtell (it isn't), but that mozamis was hypocritical in using it as a scumtell in his "case" on me and then committing it himself.

I didn't even really look at what his case on you was, but as far as I can tell, I think it had a little more to do with hopping on different wagons. My interpretation of what he was saying is a bit different, but I'll let mozamis explain this himself.

Why didn't you look? Wouldn't that be indicative of mozamis' alignment?

And a big part of what mozamis said was that I wagon hopped - but then mozamis did the exact same thing. That's the entire point.

-Third point: That is not a misrep.

Well, it is... Although I'm interested in why you think it isn't.

He uses "puts masterp at L-1" as a scumtell for Cobbler, but would love to lynch me. Granted, I never reached L-1, but he's pushing a lynch while calling other people scummy for pushing lynches, with implicit reasoning that mozamis KNOWS masterp is town. It just doesn't add up. Maybe I interpret this a little differently from noraa, but I still don't like it.

-Sixth point: Not sure why you are so dismissive of mozamis switcing to Cobbler with very little reasoning. Her only real reasoning about this was that Cobbler posted about theory... in a newbie game as a SE... (Therefore not a point at all.)

Again, I don't even know what his case on Cobbler is/was. But I'm just assuming there's a bit more to it than Cobbler posting about theory or whatever.

[/quote]

This is mozamis' entire case on Cobbler:

please don't let Cobbler's discussion of theory with Amrun fool you into thinking they are scum hunting.

and seeing as: 1) Eijo voted for Cobbler, so chance of actually getting a counter wagon to Master going
2)he'll be easier to lynch (looks scummier, less experienced) than Amrun,

UNVOTE VOTE COBBLERFONE

Along with a couple of mentions of Cobbler putting Master at L-1, which is not a scumtell.

It truly concerns me that we are having this conversation without you knowing what mozamis has actually argued. You are just "assuming" things incorrectly.

like I say, if anyone other than Muffin or Amrun has any questions for me, I'm happy to answer them. Personally, I'd obviously prefer it if we concentrated on lynching Muffin or Amrun, but looks like scum have successfully sidetracked us for the moment.

Are you serious? More mozamis votes, please.

[Amrun]

You have been extremely emotional, though I disagree with awful.

[Amrun]

Did I ever use emotionalism as a scumtell for you? Nope.

[Amrun]

OH MY GOD, both of you need to learn to read.

muffin IS MASTERP, mozamis. Nothing has changed what masterp did.

muffin, I think ONE OF YOU OR MOZAMIS IS PROBABLY SCUM. One. Not two. ONE.

[Amrun]

What is?

[Amrun]

Paraphrase my reasoning for it. Prove you've read.

[Amrun]

Yeah, you are not stupid enough to actually believe that.

[Amrun]

Cobbler, I didn't go into excessive talk of theory in Speed Mafia, no. Shocker, right?

Go ahead and compare. It's not different as far as I can recall, besides swapping for a position of authority.

Cobbler, what do you think of mozamis?

Mod: Can we get an extension for a Dent replacement?

[Amrun]

First of all, Cobbler, you are attempting to base conclusions on wildly inaccurate premises. One game of mine, which was a particularly terrible game for me, is not enough to base a meta conclusion off of, especially one as unspecific as "I think maybe you feel different but I am not sure," especially when there's an obvious reason I would "feel different."

Homeless is my strongest townread and I've detailed it before.

[Amrun]

No, of course not. It's that I follow his thought processes quite clearly. I see how he reaches his conclusions, though all of our conclusions are not the same.

[Amrun]

Convenient how you ignore the single most important reason I find mozamis scummy and think one of you two are scum. Mozamis has droppeed a lot of "accidental" wordings of how ABSOLUTELY sure he was that masterp is town. Only one alignment can be that sure.

And, of course, his reaction to pressure was terribad.

Masterp did a LOT of scummy things and they shouldn't be ignored just because you are less scummy than he was.

Question for big seep upcoming.

[Amrun]

You know, just because you both think mozamis is scum doesn't make both of you town.

This implies you know I am town. What is your read of me - in detail?

P-edit: masterp, among several things,had a high level of perceived threat and fencesat. There is more in my iso and I don't care to re-explain.

[Amrun]

That isn't even close to my reasoning.

[Amrun]

Somewhere between neutral and against. He is better than no lynch, but not a lynch I'd prefer today, because I think his posts have been generally been pro-town with reasoning I can follow. I need to go put some time into this game now.

[Amrun]

SCum

Mozamis
Zmuffinman
Cobblerfone
Big Sleep
Homeless
Eijoland
Piggygal
Noraa

TOWN

P-edit: Yes, they can, but it isn't quite as common in newbies and as I said, if it seems organic, it more often comes from town. Anyway, I just did a quick ISO of everyone and decided others dropped stronger towntells than that. Still not a preferred lynch.

[Amrun]

If deadline runs down and it's between me voting for homless or there being no lynch, I would vote for him to avoid NL.

[Amrun]

Ready for a hammer? Deadline is soon.

[Amrun]

Vote: Homeless

I hope you're right, muffin.

[Amrun]

Durr, zmuffin. That was meant as a flippant, sarcastic statement.

[Amrun]

Not a fan at all of Xanny's opening post. Seems like he saw some votes on piggy and looked for some justification to get on the wagon.

Also Cobbler's vote for noraa makes no sense. What is the "logic pro lem" you're talking about?

Noraa, how does 3 of my town list being town make me suspicious. I'm often quite accurate on this front (see: Team Mafaia White Flag).

[Amrun]

My reads aren't ALWAYS accurate, noraa. No one's are. But picking some townreads correctly in a game with 2 scum is no feat and I imagine everyone in the game has done it.

Zmuffin, I find the Amished tell ALWAYS worth pursuing if it's a clean occurence of it. It is slightly less reliable for females and quite a bit less reliable for newbs, as I have said. I had it misappplied to me as a newbie, but overall, it succeeds much more than it does not (also my lynch in Cold War was very scum-driven, and I don't think it was a clean applicatiok of the tell to begin with).

To see me champion the Amished tell for great justice, see Tasky's Time Travel mafia.

[Amrun]

You need to explain these "dileemmas" more.

[Amrun]

I really dislike Xanny's posts. All of them.

And I haven't forgotten dent's bad opening post.

I've re-read a bit and decided zmuffin is probably town, which. Means I definitely sgill greatly suspect mozamis.

But Xanny can't make a good post.

Vote: Xanny the Nanny

[Amrun]

I just re-read him and decided I liked muffin's posts enough to outweigh masterp's posts (which are still scummy as fuck).

Other townreads are stronger, but for now, not entirely interested in lynching muffin.

[Amrun]

Forgot to say: also I decided I liked his one-on, one-off theory about his wagon, which could be true regardless of his alignment, and think Dent was the most likely scum-off at that time.

[Amrun]

Everyone states his or her opinion of Xanny in his or her next post.

[Amrun]

How is valley girl a scumtell?

[Amrun]

Yes, exactly. Heightened sense of perceived threat. Bingo.

[Amrun]

I disagree that giving town cases is ever prudent unless you are defending the player from an imminent lynch. That can help coach scum about what you specifically look for as town tells in order to gain a town read from you later. Scum already have the information advantage; no need to give them more.

That's just a theory discussion, though. Views on this vary.

I agree with muffin's town case on piggy and disagree about cobbler. I can't get over that one wifom-tastic stunt from cobbler, but the rest of his posting hasn't been that bad.

[Amrun]

It is helpful in this case to show newbies your thought processes, but I disagree on principle. Town READS are important; town CASES are not.

Disagree about Cobbler as well. I was around for tha context.

[Amrun]

I still have a gut town read on noraa, but her lurking is seriously starting to worry me.

[Amrun]

Why can't we quicklynch Xanny instead?

[Amrun]

Naturally.

[Amrun]

Those of you not voting: Why?

Especially muffin and piggy. You have both expressed suspicions.

[Amrun]

Not entirely opposed to a noraa lynch, but I highly prefer Xanny.

[Amrun]

Speaking of bad votes, Xanny, you call that a case?

[Amrun]

Sorry, piggy, I thought you weren't voting.

Xanny, the only one with a case against me wsas mozamis, who no longer thinks the case is valid. YOUR case basically reads as OMGUS.

[Amrun]

Actually I would call what mozamis presented on me day 1 a case, piggy. Certainly more than you have done.

[Amrun]

Cop shouldn't claim unless they have a guilty or an innocent on someone who is at L-1 and definitely will be hammered otherwise.

Period.

Or unless the cop will be lynched of course.

[Amrun]

That would out our cop for no reason...

[Amrun]

Then the cop dies overnight, so what's the use in that?

If (s)he waits, his/her coming out could be much more efficient.

[Amrun]

I don't know what to think of you admitting omgus. It's strange.

Zmuffinman has probably flaked.

[Amrun]

I don't like piggy's more recent posts. She seems to be trying to keep her hands clean of .. Well .. Anything.

But I don't think you two are scum together so I'm torn. You're starting to reverse my read on you but it's tough to forget your late flip flops yesterday.

[Amrun]

Reread Cobbler.

Still don't like his one thing day 1 but the cop stuff is null.


Agree with muffin that it is stretching.

[Amrun]

Calling other people fags is absolutely not acceptable at any point ever.

NOW will you speedlynch xanny?

If you're telling the truth, xanny, playing against wincon is pretty shitty.

[Amrun]

Why aren't there more votes happening?!

[Amrun]

Yeah, that's a lie.

If you had done so, you'd have been all over my case yesterday. And yet you said you thought I was town?

Of course I know now you are scum, as it is impossible to get a cop guilty on me. My flip will vindicate me.

Your play doesn't add up. Why didn't you claim all your targets?

VOTE: mozamis

[Amrun]

With play tha disparate, the right course of action is obvious. You don't say "I think x is town" a bunch of times when you have a cop guilty on x.

[Amrun]

Claim all your targets (with reasoning) as well.

[Amrun]

True newbs fakeclaiming cops are rare, but you have quite a few games under your belt, mozamis.

Very wifom-y defense.

If what you were saying was the truth, what could you have hoped to accomplish by "buddying up" to me?

More importantly, why didn't you just claim your guilty straight off?

We got lucky in lynching Xanny yesterday - and I drove that lynch, if you'll recall - but we could easily have lynched town and it would have been your fault. What if you had been nked last night?

So from a true town cop's perspective, your play makes no sense.

P-edit: zmuffin mostly agrees.

[Amrun]

Piggy, it's definitely not muffin. There's no reason for mozamis to act this way as town. Fakeclaiming cop = scum.

[Amrun]

GG everyone.

MVP to mozamis.

I really had a difficult time figuring out how to play as a scum IC. I am generally known as a good scum player, but I had never ICed before and I had geared myself up to play a certain way an d the scum pm really messed that up. I felt too rotten tricking newbies to play properly and that's my own problem.

And so I decided the only way to save it was to bus - and I think my bussing may have pushed Xanny into the ragequit, so I feel even MORE rotten.



I just wanted to be a good IC, and I don't know if I achieved that.

mozamis, you played well, but really - next time you get a guilty, CLAIM IT.

[Amrun]

I had a feeling you were going for something like that.

*IC hat* You should have waited until you were L-1. There was still a fairly good chance the lynch was going to swing about at that time, as I was hoping - and in this case, if you had waited a bit, mozamis would have said, "No, don't! Amrun is scum!"

And you could have gotten near conftown status.

The lesson of this game is never give up.

If mozamis had not had cop results on me, this game might have worked out for us scum.

[Amrun]

Yeah, but I thought I ought to show best "to wincon" play as an IC and not roll over.

My pride dictated I had to at least try, as well.

Technically, this counts, yes, but you can choose not to include it if you want.

[Amrun]

I don't remember why we killed you. I know your slot softclaimed VT. I think it was because we didn't see you being a credible mislynch.

[Amrun]

Mozamis: Yes, you should have claimed straight away, or at the very least, before we went to night.

A 1 for 1 exchange ALWAYS benefits town more; never pass those opportunities up.

MVP is most valuable player.


I really couldn't believe homeless was the day 1 lynch. I thougght he was very townie and was considering him for the nk before muffin replaced in.

[Amrun]

I guess it's up to you when in the day you claim, but in my opinion you should have claimed before it went to night in case I nk you.

[Amrun]

Not sure why I got replaced directly after posting? Anyhow good game.

Oh, I thought you had requested replacement. Odd.


Mozamis, fyi, I suspected you were the cop after your reaction to cobbler. If I had lived another night, you would have been dead.

[Amrun]

I think noraa should get credit for a completed game if she wants it. Just my opinion.

[Amrun]

You had good reads, noraa, but perhaps you might consider not holding your vote so close to your chest. A townperson's most powerful tool is his/her vote.

I hope to play again with you all one day. You really were a good bunch, very transparent to read.

[Amrun]

Being transparent is good, as town.

Don't give up your playstyle, but realize that it's hard to pressure anybody without a vote to back it up.